Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 19:43, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 I am not bothered about individual contributions because everyone who
 contributes *knows* what OSM is like and that he cannot expect to get
 personal attribution. If someone however has released something under
 CC-BY-SA without knowing OSM, they have reason to expect that wherever
 their work is used, they are given credit, and OSM doesn't do that.
 
 Whether someone knows OSM or not doesn't change how their
 contributions should be treated. Both works (in your example) were
 submitted under the same terms and should be treated exactly the same.

I think there is a difference, certainly morally but even legally. If 
you submit, under CC-BY-SA, data to an online map which clearly does not 
give the names of all contributors, and later claim that the map was 
violating your terms, that is something different from publishing your 
data on a web page under CC-BY-SA and then complaining that someone took 
it, put it in a web map, and didn't provide attribution.

I agree with your *should* be treated the same but I think the evil is 
lesser in one case than in the other.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
 do we really want to require the 38th party down the line to still
 attribute OSM no matter how diluted the OSM content has become?


yes. Why should it have become diluted? If you give this up, you do
almost the same then releasing PD, and that's indeed what you are best
known to advocate for.


 We have a well working culture of attribution in science, where you
 usually quote the source you took something from, but not the source
 behind the source behind the source.


yes, but usually you try to quote the first and if you could find the
places where he copied you would probably cite them and not him.


cheers,
Martin

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