Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Import from Ushahidi Libya Instance
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: >> My thought: Incompatible sources are incompatible. "Good intentions" >> do not trump incompatible sources. > > Wasn't thinking that because it was doing something for good, that > automatically made it clean data :) > > Really curious how "substantial" might apply on sources, as we've explicitly > said that use of OSM data in insubstantial ways does not trigger the > virality of the license. I see "insustantial" as something that the license can offer to consumers of OSM data, not something that OSM can use as an excuse for including incompatible data. One might argue that anything done by the OSM community is at least "systematic" and while possibly insubstantial point by point, "substantial" when taken as a whole. Incompatible sources are a temptation that conscientious mappers must avoid at every turn. Again, just my opinion. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Import from Ushahidi Libya Instance
> My thought: Incompatible sources are incompatible. "Good intentions" > do not trump incompatible sources. Wasn't thinking that because it was doing something for good, that automatically made it clean data :) Really curious how "substantial" might apply on sources, as we've explicitly said that use of OSM data in insubstantial ways does not trigger the virality of the license. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Import from Ushahidi Libya Instance
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > Legal-talk, any opinions or insights on this question? > > == Mikel Maron == > +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > > From: Mikel Maron > To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:18:11 PM > Subject: Import from Ushahidi Libya Instance > > You may be aware, UN OCHA has been coordinating a Ushahidi instance to map > reports from the the Libya Crisis. http://libyacrisismap.net/. OSM is the > base map. > > They've geocoded about 150 places and POI, and have recruited OSM folks to > conflate this list with OpenStreetMap. > http://internal.libyacrisismap.net/volunteers/team-geolocation/coordinates-database > > The issue is that the source for the geocoding is listed, but not always > licensed under a license compatible with OSM. > > Even if locations were derived from non-compatible license sources, my > thinking has been that this is "non-substantial and non-systematic", and > therefore might be permissible to import. Data is only collected based on > select needs to geocode reports. The numbers are just over 150. According to > the Substantial Guideline of the ODbL, an extract from OSM like this would > not trigger the viral terms of the license. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline > > Question is then twofold. One, we haven't yet adopted the ODbL, so how much > could a guideline apply. And two, how does the concept of non-substantial > apply to importing data? I think there's a good chance it's ok, in which > case all data could be brought in. The alternative would then be to exempt > particular POI from conflation, or simply geocode them again using fully > clear sources. My thought: Incompatible sources are incompatible. "Good intentions" do not trump incompatible sources. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Import from Ushahidi Libya Instance
Legal-talk, any opinions or insights on this question? == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Mikel Maron To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:18:11 PM Subject: Import from Ushahidi Libya Instance You may be aware, UN OCHA has been coordinating a Ushahidi instance to map reports from the the Libya Crisis. http://libyacrisismap.net/. OSM is the base map. They've geocoded about 150 places and POI, and have recruited OSM folks to conflate this list with OpenStreetMap. http://internal.libyacrisismap.net/volunteers/team-geolocation/coordinates-database The issue is that the source for the geocoding is listed, but not always licensed under a license compatible with OSM. Even if locations were derived from non-compatible license sources, my thinking has been that this is "non-substantial and non-systematic", and therefore might be permissible to import. Data is only collected based on select needs to geocode reports. The numbers are just over 150. According to the Substantial Guideline of the ODbL, an extract from OSM like this would not trigger the viral terms of the license. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline Question is then twofold. One, we haven't yet adopted the ODbL, so how much could a guideline apply. And two, how does the concept of non-substantial apply to importing data? I think there's a good chance it's ok, in which case all data could be brought in. The alternative would then be to exempt particular POI from conflation, or simply geocode them again using fully clear sources. Thoughts? Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
