[OSM-legal-talk] Mixing geoms and attributes (private data and public data)
Hello All, Hopefully my question isn't soo close to Maning's to be annoying a couple hours later:). So I'm working on a project that involves poverty mapping. So currently communities work as a group to determine the poor households, the rich households, etc in a neighborhood. They do this based on their own requirements by neighborhood and everything usually stays in a paper map. The facilitators that help lead the mapping are being trained in OpenStreetMap. We've currently trained about 100 people from communities all over Eastern Indonesia. The issue is there is data that probably shouldn't be public in OpenStreetMap. (Everyone in the houses names and if they are poor or not, where the pregnant women are, etc). We plan to work on tools that allow the communities to put structural info into OpenStreetMap (building type, floors, walls, roof-type), but put the other data in a private database. My understanding is that if we redistributed the whole database elsewhere we would have to release it under ODbL, but if it was under private use within the one organization it would be okay. Maybe I don't understand things correctly! Anyway, is it possible to do any of this without forcing the relicensing of the private data in a way that forced redistribution? I'm assuming this can work, since if it can't we are missing out on a whole bunch of data that communities would love to add about their world:). Anyway, please enlighten me:). -Kate ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
As I do not agree with the CT and did not click the right checkbox, I have been blocked contributing access. OSM promised me that my contributions to be removed in the process to OdBL. That did not happen. Nor has a OdBL version of the OSM database been launched. OSM is still CC-BY-SA and it seems that that won't change soon. I think the decision to block my account and that of many others has been a bit premature, and the community should reconsider their decision. Especially now it looks as if the OdBl will never make it for legal and practical reasons. Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P Before printing, think about the environment. <>___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:53 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > > OSM is still CC-BY-SA and it seems that that won’t change soon. > > ** > Gert, if you are so sure of that, open a new account and use that instead. At the very least you will still be contributing to osm and any forks that may occur. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: > Gert, if you are so sure of that, open a new account and use that instead. > At the very least you will still be contributing to osm and any forks that > may occur. He said he would not accept the CT so he is now officially excluded from contributing to OSM - As am i ... OSM or better the OSMF decided to exspell all former contributers from further contributing. As a lot of contributers fear the loss of data my guess is that the OSMF will delay the deletion of data and final switch to ODBL ad infinitum, until all data has been "white washed" through later modifications. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: >> Gert, if you are so sure of that, open a new account and use that instead. >> At the very least you will still be contributing to osm and any forks that >> may occur. > > He said he would not accept the CT so he is now officially excluded > from contributing to OSM - As am i ... > > OSM or better the OSMF decided to exspell all former contributers from > further contributing. The precise statement of that will be interesting. What if you personally accept the CTs but imported CC-BY-SA material in your old account ? > As a lot of contributers fear the loss of data > my guess is that the OSMF will delay the deletion of data and final > switch to ODBL ad infinitum, until all data has been "white washed" through > later modifications. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:58:03PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: > > The precise statement of that will be interesting. What if you > personally accept the CTs but imported CC-BY-SA material in your old > account ? > IANAL but my guess is that you might decide on every individual contribution how to license them. The smallest aggregation factor with OSM is the login/username so as long as you accept the CT on one login and not accept on another the latter ones contributions may not be relicensed. More interestingly - Why on earth cant i contribute although i stated that all my contributions can be considered CC0/Public Domain? Why do i need to accept the CT, granting some spooky special rights to some folks i dont know and who definitly not act in my name. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de „Für eine ausgewogene Energiepolitik über das Jahr 2020 hinaus ist die Nutzung von Atomenergie eine Brückentechnologie und unverzichtbar. Ein Ausstieg in zehn Jahren, wie noch unter der rot-grünen Regierung beschlossen, kommt für die nationale Energieversorgung zu abrupt.“ Angela Merkel CDU 30.8.2009 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
Me too, I would like to fix some bugs, why am I locked out? mike On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: > > Gert, if you are so sure of that, open a new account and use that > instead. > > At the very least you will still be contributing to osm and any forks > that > > may occur. > > He said he would not accept the CT so he is now officially excluded > from contributing to OSM - As am i ... > > OSM or better the OSMF decided to exspell all former contributers from > further contributing. As a lot of contributers fear the loss of data > my guess is that the OSMF will delay the deletion of data and final > switch to ODBL ad infinitum, until all data has been "white washed" through > later modifications. > > Flo > -- > Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIVAwUBTkF/MZDdQSDLCfIvAQhR3w//dfLdyTFax9iZAd6BCgKjTtcPayyj2c/I > ihfwpxHKsndQ5AIC88RsN1TJJ/2S66gFtX3iOAZ/Fli3bd9B2v7BJtF1gh2NgMww > M4fKyGDM1BO1t3sbWjoM34iQT9ywhIo96hKF34/MalxyUFLYDGtxllgJumKsDRe8 > oQ6Lu4jxBc9Bxayb02XrnX1n/SfooZ3BVwdNMsC3j1DglY+hO2J0g0nWzkqOg+GQ > 5TbJS9lSxka/9qMYzqIQnzL6qIuTIR+pPf722RGkDskpiHeJGmeOnWL5ZU4q3WNj > oOk82aHU9CfNGduXsfOv5v42PBsUttJHPkEGlF7HKU6HnAIFVTeZTXphT5A2xXn7 > l9THCq2UIQCTtXRnnryP9TnPcuKjyIvczb6IUYfzuO0vG1vS39irIk9LvsQdFmtk > n9+MbowMVApI0dJNRK5GFA71ArQL2HVAxB/+tUEpB1+NFOfNlpv6v4twAt0pBJBG > KUj2BvFSaZ44EYntFFtkgfPWmO0PcS8/wFqPEjyM+9OF04pFsNhFgMQbhL/tOGEI > 0kACoXKeTKAyn+Mj5RPGtw5Bc/TS2hc9+/xGpLo4RtfoyxoRF2MyIcRpd8yx7/95 > BLBkeVpkrdxFuSK4e/fbWtdx/2aoHPc63QWFKbJd5zRYaiLbpFasUHr2TOBq+pGQ > 6cmr6nikb8k= > =5TP8 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > As I do not agree with the CT and did not click > > the right checkbox, I have been blocked contributing access. > > ** ** > > OSM promised me that my contributions to be removed in the process > > to OdBL. That did not happen. > > Nor has a OdBL version of the OSM database been launched. > Gert, your contributions are being looked after at fosm.org. You are welcome to edit there and there's no threat of them ever being deleted. > > > ** ** > > OSM is still CC-BY-SA and it seems that that won’t change soon. > > ** > Sadly I think you are right. The removal process was never thought through properly. OSM will be stuck with CC-BY-SA content for a very very long time. Expecting the crowd to go and re-map stuff wholesale, for somebody else's benefit is just absurd, it's never going to happen. Mapping is addictive but pointless mapping is no fun at all. So the only recourse is to do bulk deletions. But I don't see anyone hurrying to write the software to do that even if anyone could agree on what it should actually do. > ** > > I think the decision to block my account and that of many > > others has been a bit premature, and the community > > should reconsider their decision. > > ** ** > > Especially now it looks as if the OdBl will never make it > > for legal and practical reasons. > True. > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Gert Gremmen > > ** ** > > ** ** > > - > > [image: Osm] > > Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) > > P* Before printing, think about the environment.* > > ** ** > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > <>___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
Mike, Florian, Gert, if you want to make edits and are uncomfortable with putting your old edits under the Contributor Terms, you can create a new account and make edits with that. This will *not* have any influence on the data you contributed with your old account; only your new edits will fall under the CT. If you want to make edits to OSM without agreeing to the CT even for these new edits, then sorry, we are not interested in that kind of contribution. If "not agreeing to the CT" is more imporant to you than "contributing to OpenStreetMap", then you could e.g. sign up to fosm.org and contribute there. Gert, you seem to be under the impression that the license change process has somehow failed just because we're still handing out the planet under CC-BY-SA. But you are wrong; this has always been the case. Were we to switch to ODbL today we'd lose too much data; we'd rather patch things up *before* we switch. And this is not a recent change of plans; it was always planned to wait until it is feasible to make the switch. Personally, I expect it to happen in the first half of 2012 but I have no LWG inside knowledge. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: Gert, you seem to be under the impression that the license change process has somehow failed just because we're still handing out the planet under CC-BY-SA. But you are wrong; this has always been the case. Maybe that too, but I meant to write "this has always been the plan." Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back
Hi, On 09.08.2011 22:43, 80n wrote: Expecting the crowd to go and re-map stuff wholesale, for somebody else's benefit is just absurd, it's never going to happen. You're wrong with this. At least in the country I'm most active the transition to ODbL ready data is making huge progress. And it's not "someone else's" benefit, but a benefit for the whole community. The data is not simply replaced, but mostly improved by having more high-resolution imagery available. You can read the whole success story in the forum. Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
