Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
In the case of the ODbL this would depend on the ownership and legal status of the mapping agency (actually it seems as if the ODbL has a tiny issue in that while parent->owned entity is considered non-public and ok, the other way around not, something for 1.1). I don't believe CC by-SA 2.0 has any such exemption and as I read it, any "distribution", even non-public, triggers SA. However this would only start having consequences if the Ministry of the Environment was actually distributing the data further (if SA was triggered in the case of the ODbL the derived DB would have to be made available). IANAL Simon Am 18.06.2012 05:59, schrieb Kate Chapman: > Hi All, > > I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the > context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency > takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves > upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the > Environment. Is that redistribution? > > Thanks, > > -Kate > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] > Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government > > Hi All, > > I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context > of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the > OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those > improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that > redistribution? Crown copyright is one area where the law really varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Here if one ministry sent data to another I doubt it would be distribution - anything produced by either ministry is copyright by the Crown. On the other hand, if it was sent from a ministry to a crown corporation it would be. I'm not sure how this interacts with FOI laws either - although I may be asking the FOI commissioner some questions about copyright and FOI. However, it's worth considering the practical implications of if it is considered distribution. If it isn't, then both ministries are part of the same organization and either could release the changes under the SA license. If it is, then the second ministry could release the data under the SA license, so again either could release the changes under the SA license. In both cases, the effect is the same. The second paragraph of http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DistributeSubsidiary talks about how if moving a copy to a subsidiary is distribution it doesn't in practice matter. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
Hi Pekka, I'm concerned specifically about the specifics of the licensing so I can speak to them, not the ideal situation. Yes when I present I do approach with explaining it is best if everyone contributes to the same map. I still need to know the specifics of the constraints of the license, since I often get asked questions. -Kate On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Pekka Sarkola wrote: > Kate, > > Can you reverse this: how about if NMA will improve local OSM data and then > MoE will use OpenStreetMap. Benefits for all, right? > > That is how we try to make it here in Finland. Well, National Land Survey of > Finland is not improving OSM, but we (as OSMers) can improve OSM with their > data. > > Rgs, > > Pekka > > Pekka Sarkola – pekka.sark...@gispo.fi – www.gispo.fi > > -Original Message- > From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] > Sent: 18. kesäkuuta 2012 6:59 > To: Licensing and other legal discussions. > Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government > > Hi All, > > I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of > government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the > OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those > improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that > redistribution? > > Thanks, > > -Kate > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
Kate, Can you reverse this: how about if NMA will improve local OSM data and then MoE will use OpenStreetMap. Benefits for all, right? That is how we try to make it here in Finland. Well, National Land Survey of Finland is not improving OSM, but we (as OSMers) can improve OSM with their data. Rgs, Pekka Pekka Sarkola pekka.sark...@gispo.fi www.gispo.fi -Original Message- From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] Sent: 18. kesäkuuta 2012 6:59 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government Hi All, I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that redistribution? Thanks, -Kate ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
Hi All, I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that redistribution? Thanks, -Kate ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
