Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 10:19 Uhr schrieb Shu Higashi : > Thanks, Martin and Kathleen. > > I will let wikidata people know the operation as I described 1-4 > and tell them to be sure not to be engaged in "systematic attempt to > aggregate" > in order to avoid share-alike triggering. from my understanding of the guidelines, if you proceed as described in 1-4, you will trigger share-alike. The geocoding guideline is explicit about this: " If a Geocoder uses the OSM database to produce Geocoding Results and the Geocoder is Publicly Used, then the OSM database is being Publicly Used under the ODbL. * Individual* Geocoding Results are insubstantial database extracts: *Individual* Geocoding Results that are based on a Direct Hit contain an insubstantial amount of raw OSM data; ... Consequently, if: 1. no modifications (or only trivial transformations) have been made to the OSM database used by a Geocoder; *and * 2. *the Geocoding Results are not used to create a new database that contains the whole or a substantial part of the original OSM database, then * the share-alike obligations of the ODbL are not triggered (per Section 4.4.b of the ODbL) *If Geocoding Results are used to create a new database that contains the whole or a substantial part of the contents of the OSM database, this new database would be considered a Derivative Database and would trigger share-alike obligations under section 4.4.b of the ODbL.* " there is also a definition for "substantial" in the context of Geocoding results: " A collection of Geocoding Results is not a substantial extract of the OSM database provided: 1. only names, addresses, and/or latitude/longitude information are included in the Geocoding Results, *and * *2. the collection is not a systematic attempt to aggregate all or substantially all Primary Features of a given type (as defined in the Collective Database Guideline) within a geographic area city-sized or larger. * " >From my understanding, wikidata is such a systematic attempt. Cheers Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
Thanks, Martin and Kathleen. I will let wikidata people know the operation as I described 1-4 and tell them to be sure not to be engaged in "systematic attempt to aggregate" in order to avoid share-alike triggering. 2019-05-15 4:29 GMT+09:00, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk : > I think what's key for each individual Wikidata editor to know is that it's > possible for even an individual to engage in a "systematic attempt to > aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines, which is not allowed without > triggering sharealike. Copying single lat/longs is permitted without > sharealike. > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:47 PM Shu Higashi wrote: > >> I wanted to tell Wikidata community in Japan how to get geolocation >> from OSM without problem(trigger share-alike). >> It will be a kind of guideline for them and each Wikidata editor may >> do so individually. >> >> Shu >> >> 2019-05-14 8:08 GMT+09:00, Martin Koppenhoefer : >> > >> > >> > sent from a phone >> > >> >> On 14. May 2019, at 00:14, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean >> that >> >> each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about >> >> whether >> to >> >> copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort >> >> (not >> a >> >> "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then >> >> it >> >> is allowed. >> > >> > >> > how could Wikidata not be considered a coordinated effort? I mean he is >> > asking here, people are making plans how to proceed, how can this be >> > „not >> > coordinated“? Isn’t a plan to operate „individually“ already a kind of >> > coordination (purposefully crafted to circumvent the licensing >> provisions)? >> > >> > Cheers, Martin >> > ___ >> > legal-talk mailing list >> > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> > >> >> ___ >> legal-talk mailing list >> legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
