Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk]

Jun 16, 2020, 13:13 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

> I have noticed that people have been importing OSM data into wikidata. 
>
It appears to be against advise of Wikimedia Foundation advise.

See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights

> Whenever possible, the best course is to use only content that is made
> available by the author under an open license. In particular, for EU
> databases, the license should include a license or express waiver of
> the sui generis database right. In the absence of a license, copying
> all or a substantial part of a protected database should be avoided.
> Extraction and use of data should be kept to a minimum and limited to
> unprotected material, such as uncopyrightable facts and short phrases,
> rather than extensive text. For EU databases, bots or other automated
> ways of extracting data should also be avoided because of the
> Directive’s prohibition on “repeated and systematic extraction” of
> even insubstantial amounts of data.

Though in general approach of Wikidata is to ignore copyright, unlike
OSM or Wikimedia Commons.

Compare 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Copyright
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Copyright
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright

Common comment is "we are copying facts, facts are not copyrightable"
what may be or may be not describing such editing in case of USA legal framework


> Here are some examples:
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76939332
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76951022
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76972551
>
> This is a link that someone helpful has provided in the user talk page of the 
> wikidata user:
> https://query.wikidata.org/#%23defaultView%3AMap%0Aselect%20%3Fitem%20%3Fcoordinates%20where%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP625%2Fprov%3AwasDerivedFrom%2Fpr%3AP248%20wd%3AQ1224853%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoordinates.%0A%7D
>
> I believe the attribution is not sufficient (following the "described at URL" 
> link there is OSM and mapbox attribution)?
>
> Provided that ODbL and OpenStreetMap would be sufficiently linked, is it then 
> possible to copy OSM data into wikidata, which is distributed as CC0?
>
AFAIK not sufficient, ODBL is a copyleft ("share alike") license, so it would 
be necessary to add
also that data is ODBL licensed.

I opened deletion request for one of items at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q76939332
and notified the author

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 13:58 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole :

>
> I'm simply making no assumptions about how the data got into wikidata, for
> example the users may be contributing to both (OSM and WD).
>


I have checked for the data in the Rome area that a fair amount was
contributed to OSM by the OP, so you can exclude the same author hypothesis
here.

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Simon Poole]

Am 16.06.2020 um 13:51 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 13:32 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole  >:
>
> (not discussing if the material added is even protected
> to start with).
>
>
>
> As you are mentioning it, are you in doubt? By the substantial
> guideline it seems it would be covered by the ODbL:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline

I'm simply making no assumptions about how the data got into wikidata,
for example the users may be contributing to both (OSM and WD).

Simon

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> Cheers
> Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 13:32 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole :

> (not discussing if the material added is even protected
> to start with).



As you are mentioning it, are you in doubt? By the substantial guideline it
seems it would be covered by the ODbL:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Simon Poole]

Am 16.06.2020 um 13:13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 
>
> Provided that ODbL and OpenStreetMap would be sufficiently linked, is
> it then possible to copy OSM data into wikidata, which is distributed
> as CC0?
>
> 

As been pointed out many, many, many times (and it is not going to
change), CC0 explicitly does not cover third party rights in the
licensed material, just those of the entity distributing the work.

So adding information from OSM to Wikidata does not create a licence
conflict as such (not discussing if the material added is even protected
to start with).

Simon




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[OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I have noticed that people have been importing OSM data into wikidata. Here
are some examples:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76939332
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76951022
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76972551

This is a link that someone helpful has provided in the user talk page of
the wikidata user:
https://query.wikidata.org/#%23defaultView%3AMap%0Aselect%20%3Fitem%20%3Fcoordinates%20where%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP625%2Fprov%3AwasDerivedFrom%2Fpr%3AP248%20wd%3AQ1224853%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoordinates.%0A%7D

I believe the attribution is not sufficient (following the "described at
URL" link there is OSM and mapbox attribution)?

Provided that ODbL and OpenStreetMap would be sufficiently linked, is it
then possible to copy OSM data into wikidata, which is distributed as CC0?

Cheers
Martin
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