Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy & změna licence
There is a list of incompatbile changesets here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service/Changeset_Lists#Tainted_Changesets IMHO the best would be for Pavel to accept, but that naturally depends on him. Simon Am 04.04.2012 11:53, schrieb "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]": > "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I went through Pavel's changesets and I think I've found all the tainted >> data. Here is what I did: >> >> 1) I went through Pavel's changesets (except the big ones already >> identified as ODbL compatible imports). >> 2) Counted the number of created or modified nodes that had tags place=* >> or railway=station,halt,tram_stop. This gave me 17 changesets that have >> at least 10 such nodes. >> 3) Then I checked them manually and identified the mass imports. >> >> Pavel's tainted changesets incompatible with ODbL+CT: >> 720911, 720263, 187327, 189654, 188101, 197352, 593595 >> >> Special case of changeset 473203: contains mostly import of forests, but >> also 12 place nodes from wikipedia,etc., only 3 of them (27716, >> 27734, 27739) are still in the database. I would suggest we keep >> this changeset and remove only those 3 offending nodes when the database >> comes from read-only mode. >> >> In the process I've found another changeset with import of places from >> wikipedia,geonames,etc. performed by Bilbo. This should be marked for >> removal as well: >> 312633 > Hello, > > I've deleted the incompatible nodes. Now, I wonder what's going to > happen next? > > Will Pavel accept ODbL+CT in his profile? Or is it no longer possible? > > As far as I know there isn't a list of incompatible changesets yet (only > the other way around - list of compatible changesets of decliners). But > we need it at least because of the Bilbo's changeset 312633. Where > should this be directed? > > Once Pavel's account is marked ODbL+CT compatible and the new list with > incompatible changesets (total 8 changesets), > 720911, 720263, 187327, 189654, 188101, 197352, 593595, 312633, > is set into place, we no longer need to override Pavel's other bulk > imports listed on [1]. > > Best regards, > Petr Morávek aka Xificurk > > [1] > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service/Changeset_Lists#Pavel_imports_in_Czech_Republic > > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy & změna licence
"Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: > Hello, > > I went through Pavel's changesets and I think I've found all the tainted > data. Here is what I did: > > 1) I went through Pavel's changesets (except the big ones already > identified as ODbL compatible imports). > 2) Counted the number of created or modified nodes that had tags place=* > or railway=station,halt,tram_stop. This gave me 17 changesets that have > at least 10 such nodes. > 3) Then I checked them manually and identified the mass imports. > > Pavel's tainted changesets incompatible with ODbL+CT: > 720911, 720263, 187327, 189654, 188101, 197352, 593595 > > Special case of changeset 473203: contains mostly import of forests, but > also 12 place nodes from wikipedia,etc., only 3 of them (27716, > 27734, 27739) are still in the database. I would suggest we keep > this changeset and remove only those 3 offending nodes when the database > comes from read-only mode. > > In the process I've found another changeset with import of places from > wikipedia,geonames,etc. performed by Bilbo. This should be marked for > removal as well: > 312633 Hello, I've deleted the incompatible nodes. Now, I wonder what's going to happen next? Will Pavel accept ODbL+CT in his profile? Or is it no longer possible? As far as I know there isn't a list of incompatible changesets yet (only the other way around - list of compatible changesets of decliners). But we need it at least because of the Bilbo's changeset 312633. Where should this be directed? Once Pavel's account is marked ODbL+CT compatible and the new list with incompatible changesets (total 8 changesets), 720911, 720263, 187327, 189654, 188101, 197352, 593595, 312633, is set into place, we no longer need to override Pavel's other bulk imports listed on [1]. Best regards, Petr Morávek aka Xificurk [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service/Changeset_Lists#Pavel_imports_in_Czech_Republic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy & změna licence
Pavel Machek wrote: >> If this is that case, I personally volunteer to help track down your >> changesets containing the incompatible imports. > > Thanks! > >> The only two are the wikipedia imports of places and railway stations, >> is this correct? > > I think so. > Pavel Hello, I went through Pavel's changesets and I think I've found all the tainted data. Here is what I did: 1) I went through Pavel's changesets (except the big ones already identified as ODbL compatible imports). 2) Counted the number of created or modified nodes that had tags place=* or railway=station,halt,tram_stop. This gave me 17 changesets that have at least 10 such nodes. 3) Then I checked them manually and identified the mass imports. Pavel's tainted changesets incompatible with ODbL+CT: 720911, 720263, 187327, 189654, 188101, 197352, 593595 Special case of changeset 473203: contains mostly import of forests, but also 12 place nodes from wikipedia,etc., only 3 of them (27716, 27734, 27739) are still in the database. I would suggest we keep this changeset and remove only those 3 offending nodes when the database comes from read-only mode. In the process I've found another changeset with import of places from wikipedia,geonames,etc. performed by Bilbo. This should be marked for removal as well: 312633 I would like to thank Pavel for his decision to allow the relicensing of his work and sincerely apologize for my harsh words in my initial reply. Best regards, Petr Morávek aka Xificurk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy & změna licence
2012/4/2 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : > Hi, > > I admit that I'm pretty confused right now... Are you saying that you've > changed your mind and are willing to agree to ODbL+CT, except for the > changesets containing imports of incompatible data? That would be really > great! > > If this is that case, I personally volunteer to help track down your > changesets containing the incompatible imports. > The only two are the wikipedia imports of places and railway stations, > is this correct? > > Best regards, > Petr Morávek aka Xificurk > > PS: I've added to CC rebuild@ as well, just to let the guys there know > that there could be a last-minute request for keeping most of the data > from Pavel. Sorry, to all that will get this mail multiple times. Hi Petr, Yes, Pavel and RichardF had a discussion on IRC a few minutes ago and Pavel came to this decision. Petr, thank you for offering assistance with the un-relicenseable data. Best regards, Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy & změna licence
Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > So lets start by saying that I don't like ODbL and I hate CT. > > There are three classes of data I uploaded to osm: > > a) Hand created data, most important paths in the woods. CT+ODbL, is > okay for those. > > b) ODbL compatible - mass imports. CT+ODbL is okay for those, provided > data from a) are kept. Richard convinced me that CT is not meant to be > evil, and I can live with that. > > c) ODbL incompatible mass imports. Obviously these need to be > removed. I have no power to change this. Mass imports were cities > from wikipedia (place=*) and railway stations from around > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/188101 > 187327 > > I hope this helps, and I'd like to see some reply, thanks, > > Pavel Hi, I admit that I'm pretty confused right now... Are you saying that you've changed your mind and are willing to agree to ODbL+CT, except for the changesets containing imports of incompatible data? That would be really great! If this is that case, I personally volunteer to help track down your changesets containing the incompatible imports. The only two are the wikipedia imports of places and railway stations, is this correct? Best regards, Petr Morávek aka Xificurk PS: I've added to CC rebuild@ as well, just to let the guys there know that there could be a last-minute request for keeping most of the data from Pavel. Sorry, to all that will get this mail multiple times. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy & změna licence
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > So lets start by saying that I don't like ODbL and I hate CT. > > There are three classes of data I uploaded to osm: > > a) Hand created data, most important paths in the woods. CT+ODbL, is > okay for those. > > b) ODbL compatible - mass imports. CT+ODbL is okay for those, provided > data from a) are kept. Richard convinced me that CT is not meant to be > evil, and I can live with that. > > c) ODbL incompatible mass imports. Obviously these need to be > removed. I have no power to change this. Mass imports were cities > from wikipedia (place=*) and railway stations from around > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/188101 > 187327 > > I hope this helps, and I'd like to see some reply, thanks, Dear Pavel, I'll ask the LWG chair to add this matter to the discussion at the next LWG meeting. I expect that LWG will send you a formal reply. Until then, I'd like to thank you personally for granting permission for some of your contributions to continue as CT/ODbL, even with your stated disagreements with some aspects of ODbL and of CTs. Thank you also, to the other members of the OSM community who have been discussing the matter with you. Best regards, Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
