Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Advice regarding terms from an agency
Well any imports would need to go by the imports@ list where hopefully the license would be reviewed if necessary. From: Pekka Sarkola [mailto:pekka.sark...@gispo.fi] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:51 AM To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Advice regarding terms from an agency Hi, I see here a path: first Ordnance Survey open their geodata, then National Land Survey of Finland and Dutch Kadastre followed. Next one is Iceland and other countries. All those mapping agencies give different license for their datasets. NLSFI has following: http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. As far I know, all those mapping agencies will allow OSMers to take their data sets and import to be part of OSM. IANAL and IMHO: local OSM mappers should decide if license is ok with OSM licenses, then add information to Contributor pages and then guideline local OSMers how to benefit local data sources. And this have to be done in very fast mode. There is other alternatives, but I prefer mine ;-) Other possibilities: . OSM Board/OSM Foundation Board/OSM Legal team will read and accept/deny those mapping agency contracts. They also guide how to use data and what will be include in Contributor's page. My opinion: we don't have that kind of legal resource to handle all situations. This is also very bureaucratic and slow way to do it. Local OSM mappers will use free datasets with or without permission: this is already happening in Finland. . We don't care about Contributor's datasets: at least in Finland OSM will then be marginalized. My opinion: if we can get baseline from somewhere we can focus to make updates to OSM and keep it as best local source of the (geo)data. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Advice regarding terms from an agency
Hi, I see here a path: first Ordnance Survey open their geodata, then National Land Survey of Finland and Dutch Kadastre followed. Next one is Iceland and other countries. All those mapping agencies give different license for their datasets. NLSFI has following: http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. As far I know, all those mapping agencies will allow OSMers to take their data sets and import to be part of OSM. IANAL and IMHO: local OSM mappers should decide if license is ok with OSM licenses, then add information to Contributor pages and then guideline local OSMers how to benefit local data sources. And this have to be done in very fast mode. There is other alternatives, but I prefer mine ;-) Other possibilities: · OSM Board/OSM Foundation Board/OSM Legal team will read and accept/deny those mapping agency contracts. They also guide how to use data and what will be include in Contributors page. My opinion: we dont have that kind of legal resource to handle all situations. This is also very bureaucratic and slow way to do it. Local OSM mappers will use free datasets with or without permission: this is already happening in Finland. · We dont care about Contributors datasets: at least in Finland OSM will then be marginalized. My opinion: if we can get baseline from somewhere we can focus to make updates to OSM and keep it as best local source of the (geo)data. Rgs, Pekka --- Pekka Sarkola - pekka.sark...@gispo.fi - www.paikkatieto.com --- Lähettäjä: Svavar Kjarrval [mailto:sva...@kjarrval.is] Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2013 18:40 Vastaanottaja: Licensing and other legal discussions. Aihe: [OSM-legal-talk] Advice regarding terms from an agency Hi. The National Land Survey of Iceland has made their data free of charge and offer them as downloads. It spans numerous datasets which would be invaluable to the mapping progress in Iceland. However, there are terms which must be agreed before access can be legally obtained. The terms state that a distribution and publication permission is required for every further distribution or publication. I've talked to them today and the ministry to drop this condition in the terms and the director of the agency offered what I discuss in the next paragraph. The director of the agency responded to an e-mail I sent and has said attribution in the Contributor's page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors) suffices. The terms as they are now do state all derived works need a copyright symbol and the name of the agency (unless the agency asks otherwise, which I think they will invoke in our case). But the agency also wants the terms to be displayed on said wiki page, including the condition that a special permission must be obtained for every further distribution or publication of those who retrieve data (for Iceland) from the OSM database. I suspect that such a condition is not in the spirit of open data but nevertheless I decided to inquire about it anyway. Would such a condition for data be acceptable for data contributions? If the terms would be on the wiki page, would they be legally binding for whoever downloads the data? The terms are displayed at http://www.lmi.is/almennir-skilmalar/ so you can get the full picture. There should be a Google Translate option at the top of the page. With regards, Svavar Kjarrval ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Advice regarding terms from an agency
Hi. The National Land Survey of Iceland has made their data free of charge and offer them as downloads. It spans numerous datasets which would be invaluable to the mapping progress in Iceland. However, there are terms which must be agreed before access can be legally obtained. The terms state that a distribution and publication permission is required for every further distribution or publication. I've talked to them today and the ministry to drop this condition in the terms and the director of the agency offered what I discuss in the next paragraph. The director of the agency responded to an e-mail I sent and has said attribution in the Contributor's page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors) suffices. The terms as they are now do state all derived works need a copyright symbol and the name of the agency (unless the agency asks otherwise, which I think they will invoke in our case). But the agency also wants the terms to be displayed on said wiki page, including the condition that a special permission must be obtained for every further distribution or publication of those who retrieve data (for Iceland) from the OSM database. I suspect that such a condition is not in the spirit of open data but nevertheless I decided to inquire about it anyway. Would such a condition for data be acceptable for data contributions? If the terms would be on the wiki page, would they be legally binding for whoever downloads the data? The terms are displayed at http://www.lmi.is/almennir-skilmalar/ so you can get the full picture. There should be a Google Translate option at the top of the page. With regards, Svavar Kjarrval signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
