[OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Anything you produce from OSM data must be CC-BY-SA licensed (e.g. if >you compile OSM data into some special compressed map format for your >application then these special compressed files must by CC-BY-SA). If >you mix OSM data with someting else into an end product then that end >product must also be CC-BY-SA. If your application displays OSM data >loaded from file 1 and proprietary data loaded from file 2, then you can >keep the licenses separate. I have a similar question to the OP. I want to mix in OSM POI data in my (free) iphone app database, which also collects POI-like data from users and (if I import the OSM data), users can add ratings / descriptions / arbitrary tags based on the original OSM POI (so clearly 'derived'). My intention is for the data collected (entries, ratings, tags) to be open and CC-BY-SA in the same spirit as OSM and to make DB dumps etc available, minus identifying info for users. The question is does it matter which version of CC-BY-SA I pick, and indeed if every entry in my DB has to be under the same CC-BY-SA license, in order to be compatible with OSM. The reason for asking is that osm currently uses an older CC license and I'd prefer to use the latest version unless it causes problems. Reading the CC license, it says derived works must be under the 'same or similar' license, so the spirit certainly doesn't seem to be to tie to the exact same version. I'm not trying to restrict the use of the data in any commercial way, just want to use the latest CC license if I can. At the same time, I want any data collected by the app to be usable by OSM, so that it can be shared back in case it turns out to be useful (e.g. I collect new fixes for existing POIs, and I may potentially get new POIs that OSM hasn't got already). So I don't want to pick a license version that prevents that. The app is already out there, but initially I have been vague about the exact CC-BY-SA license version used. In any case, I don't use any OSM data yet, but would like to start importing it soon. For the collective DB I am using the open database license as it looks well thought out to me, and I also understand that is where OSM is headed - this also seems to potentially allow for using slightly different licenses per individual content. A description of the app and the mention of the data being open is here http://appshopper.com/travel/word-on-the-street or here on itunes http://itunes.com/apps/wordonthestreet Regards, Frank ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Ok! Many thanks to all for your clarifications. I guess the actual OSM license will not fit both with my application's licensing model and with the fact that I will be aggregating data from many different sources. So I will just avoid them for now. Maybe in the future if you guys think of alternate (i.e. dual) licensing models I will be more than happy to use your data as it is really becoming more and more interesting compared to other commercial (and sometimes barely affordable) geographic data source. See you then :) On 8/21/09, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Alex writes: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I am developing a Location based application that will both be >> available on mobile devices and on the internet. >> >> I plan to use OSM data, convert it and import it into my custom >> designed database. >> I also plan to generate my own tiles based on OSM data, certainly >> aggregated with other commercial and non.commercial (open) data >> sources. >> >> My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated >> and display them with Point of Interest info > > Hi, > > It may be tricky situation if your application will allow user input. I > mean, > your user can see a map through the application and then he locates a nice > restaurant and saves it as point of interest into your system. There are > people > saying that the new POI was derived from the underlaying map. They may claim > that if the base map was OSM then the new POI should definitly be under > CC-SA > and it would be fair to add it also into OSM database. What if there was a > commercial map layer selected? In this case OSM absolutely does not want the > POI > because it is derived from copyrighted material. But what if both layers > were > selected and showed together? Where is the new POI derived from? > > With commercial map providers you can for sure make a deal that if you pay > them > you can do what ever you want with the POIs. They will just set the price. I > do > not know how it goes with OSM. > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
El Jueves, 20 de Agosto de 2009, Alex escribió: [...] > What I want to know is if my application itself and my website (that > will be presenting a google/OSM style Ajax map) has to be licensed > under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 or is it only > the subset of OSM data the I will be working with ? Only the OSM data / map tiles have to be licensed as such. However, if you mix OSM POIs with user-generated POIs (merging both in one file, etc), you have to make available those POIs under the same license as the OSM data. > Is it OK to sell my application provided that references and links to > OSM are provided when OSM based Tiles and POIs are presented and used > inside my app ?? Yes, perfectly possible. Look at offmaps for an example. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega http://ivan.sanchezortega.es Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.30-1-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.10, and PHP 5.2.10-2 generating this signature. Uptime: 00:47:56 up 3 days, 7:42, 3 users, load average: 1.58, 1.69, 1.52 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Hi, Alex wrote: > My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated > and display them with Point of Interest information that will be > coming from OSM, commercial data, and user generated content / POIs . > > What I want to know is if my application itself and my website (that > will be presenting a google/OSM style Ajax map) has to be licensed > under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 No, you are free to license your application any way you like. > or is it only > the subset of OSM data the I will be working with ? If you produce tiles that contain OSM data then those tiles - including all commercially sourced data depicted on them - must be licensed CC-BY-SA, i.e. anyone is free to trace the commercial data off the tiles. You can only circumvent that effect by creating overlay tiles and display them on top of each other in the client (i.e. base tiles from OSM = CC-BY-SA, overlay tiles with commercial data = proprietary license). > What exactly can I do with the OSM licensing model when I use OSM data > into my application (note that the data is not included as-is in the > app but downloaded as tiles inside my client) Anything you produce from OSM data must be CC-BY-SA licensed (e.g. if you compile OSM data into some special compressed map format for your application then these special compressed files must by CC-BY-SA). If you mix OSM data with someting else into an end product then that end product must also be CC-BY-SA. If your application displays OSM data loaded from file 1 and proprietary data loaded from file 2, then you can keep the licenses separate. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Hi, I am developing a Location based application that will both be available on mobile devices and on the internet. I plan to use OSM data, convert it and import it into my custom designed database. I also plan to generate my own tiles based on OSM data, certainly aggregated with other commercial and non.commercial (open) data sources. My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated and display them with Point of Interest information that will be coming from OSM, commercial data, and user generated content / POIs . What I want to know is if my application itself and my website (that will be presenting a google/OSM style Ajax map) has to be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 or is it only the subset of OSM data the I will be working with ? Is it OK to sell my application provided that references and links to OSM are provided when OSM based Tiles and POIs are presented and used inside my app ?? What exactly can I do with the OSM licensing model when I use OSM data into my application (note that the data is not included as-is in the app but downloaded as tiles inside my client) Many thanks for your insights ! ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
