Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright and license page, how to do the details

2012-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Looking at the licensing page there is still the explicit requirement
to credit osm in the corner of the map and in the meantime the FAQ
has been amended with the same requirement. Some time ago this wasn't
required explicitly, that's why I ask when this was introduced and by
whom? (the old requirement was that it should be stated somewhere that
(c) is osm contributors).

I agree with Tobias that for apps on mobile devices which use a lot of
different data from different sources this is somehow impractical, as
it would clutter the screen (fortunately there is no minimum font size
requirement ;-) ).

There is also a whole lot of osm-based websites and services around,
which don't do attribution in this google-tos-style (some of them
credit osm somewhere on the map, but it isn't in the corner, others
link to a dedicated sources-page with sometimes detailed information
about osm and the licensing terms).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright and license page, how to do the details

2012-12-05 Thread Jonathan Harley

On 05/12/12 13:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Looking at the licensing page there is still the explicit requirement
to credit osm in the corner of the map and in the meantime the FAQ
has been amended with the same requirement. Some time ago this wasn't
required explicitly, that's why I ask when this was introduced and by
whom? (the old requirement was that it should be stated somewhere that
(c) is osm contributors).


The Legal FAQ wiki page still says ...in the corner of the map... or 
an about box/page.



I agree with Tobias that for apps on mobile devices which use a lot of
different data from different sources this is somehow impractical, as
it would clutter the screen (fortunately there is no minimum font size
requirement ;-) ).



+1. In the corner is overly restrictive, especially for maps with 
multiple sources. The copyright page should say the same thing as the 
wiki page does.


J.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright and license page, how to do the details

2012-10-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 28.10.2012 15:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 To whom applies the requirement to credit in the corner of the map,
 just to users of the datatiles or to all users of OSM data presenting
 it in some form of browsable electronic map? Where does this
 requirement come from? Or am I misinterpreting this, and should is
 not a requirement but a recommendation?

I'm also wondering how that recommendation (requirement?) made it onto
the copyright page. Based on existing websites and applications using
OSM data, this is not at all an universally accepted standard for
attribution.

In the case of apps/sites intended for mobile usage, it is rare to see
attribution in the corner due to screen space constraints. But even for
desktop applications, about boxes aren't uncommon either.

The only subset of browsable electronic maps where this approach to
attribution dominates are slippymaps on websites for desktop usage. The
popular slippymap frameworks probably contribute to this because they
place it in a corner by default. But even there you will find exceptions
among popular websites within the OSM community that have existed for
years. This is usually the case where multiple sources are used to
create the map, making it impractical to list all of them directly on
the map.

To summarize, the corner attribution is clearly not the best choice at
least in the following cases:
* on mobile devices with small screens
* when combining several sources that each ask for attribution
* with technical limitations (e.g. no hyperlinks in drawing area).

So my suggestion is to remove or rephrase that section of the copyright
page. It should be allowed to place attribution in a dialog (such as the
standard about box user interface convention for desktop apps) or a
separate license/sources/about page - which of course must be
directly and easily accessible from the site displaying the map.

Tobias

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright and license page, how to do the details

2012-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer


Am 28/ott/2012 um 15:11 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:

 just to users of the datatiles or to all users of OSM data presenting
 it in some form of browsable electronic map?

Errata corrige: s/datatiles/standard mapnik rastertiles/

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