Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[drmikecrowe]

https://medium.com/@russleyshaw/which-chat-platform-should-i-use-d73f22d558f3

I like Gitter (more topics I personally care about)

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 7:16:55 AM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> Yesterday I had an Aha. It's time to start training Leo devs 
> (developers)!  Leo's present devs are busy doing great work. We can't ask 
> them to do more.
>
> Leo's to-do list 
> 
>  
> has over 150 items. If you want one of those items, please consider adding 
> it yourself, *even if you aren't a programmer.* I'll teach you python and 
> Leo's internals.
>
> Python is easy to learn. After that, becoming acquainted with Leo's code 
> base will be easier than you might think.
>
> *Summary*
>
> If you have ever wanted to be a programmer, now is a great time ;-) I'll 
> be happy to answer *all *your questions.
>
> Training new devs will pay off handsomely (for me) in the long term.
>
> Edward
>
> P. S. From the fascinating 2018 Stack Overflow Developer Survey: 
> 
>
> "For the sixth year in a row, JavaScript is the most commonly used 
> programming language. Python has risen in the ranks, surpassing C# this 
> year, much like it surpassed PHP last year. Python has a solid claim to 
> being the fastest-growing major programming language 
> ."
>
> EKR
>

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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Chris George]

Bitrix might be good. They have reviewed well and support 12 users in the 
free version.

https://www.bitrix24.com/features/

Chris

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:26:55 PM UTC-7, Offray Vladimir Luna 
Cárdenas wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> Maybe Slack clones are better. In the Pharo community, not having access 
> to the community history or resetting it after 10k messages was a real 
> kicker out of Slack. 
>
> Cheers, 
>
> Offray 
>
>
> On 14/03/18 17:04, Chris George wrote: 
> > I want to write a plugin. 
> > 
> > If you're going to have more than one student, may I recommend a 
> > creating a Slack workspace? 
> > 
> > That way you could document the learning as it goes. Questions and 
> > answers are powerful learning tools. Acolytes could learn from each 
> > other's questions as well. :-) 
> > 
> > Chris 
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Edward K. Ream  > wrote: 
> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM, jkn  > wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have a 
> crack 
> >>> at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to proceed? 
> >> 
> >> Yes.  Pick the items that most interest you. 
> >> 
> >> Edward 
> >> 
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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Chris George]

I recommended SLack because we used it in the 2015 federal election to
manage my campaign with excellent results.

Never even got close to the limitations of the free account, but it
certainly assisted us in organizing the volunteers and pushing
information.

A big benefit was its searchability. Things move fast in a campaign
and being able to find the answers quickly was important.

Chris

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Maybe Slack clones are better. In the Pharo community, not having access
> to the community history or resetting it after 10k messages was a real
> kicker out of Slack.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
>
> On 14/03/18 17:04, Chris George wrote:
>> I want to write a plugin.
>>
>> If you're going to have more than one student, may I recommend a
>> creating a Slack workspace?
>>
>> That way you could document the learning as it goes. Questions and
>> answers are powerful learning tools. Acolytes could learn from each
>> other's questions as well. :-)
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Edward K. Ream  wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM, jkn  wrote:
>>>
 I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have a crack
 at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to proceed?
>>>
>>> Yes.  Pick the items that most interest you.
>>>
>>> Edward
>>>
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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

Maybe Slack clones are better. In the Pharo community, not having access
to the community history or resetting it after 10k messages was a real
kicker out of Slack.

Cheers,

Offray


On 14/03/18 17:04, Chris George wrote:
> I want to write a plugin.
>
> If you're going to have more than one student, may I recommend a
> creating a Slack workspace?
>
> That way you could document the learning as it goes. Questions and
> answers are powerful learning tools. Acolytes could learn from each
> other's questions as well. :-)
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Edward K. Ream  wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM, jkn  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have a crack
>>> at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to proceed?
>>
>> Yes.  Pick the items that most interest you.
>>
>> Edward
>>
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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Terry Brown]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:04:44 -0700
Chris George  wrote:

> I want to write a plugin.
> 
> If you're going to have more than one student, may I recommend a
> creating a Slack workspace?

+1 I'd like to be more familiar with Slack, have looked at it but not
much more.

Cheers -Terry

> That way you could document the learning as it goes. Questions and
> answers are powerful learning tools. Acolytes could learn from each
> other's questions as well. :-)
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Edward K. Ream 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM, jkn  wrote:
> >  
> >> I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have
> >> a crack at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to
> >> proceed?  
> >
> >
> > Yes.  Pick the items that most interest you.
> >
> > Edward
> >
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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Chris George]

I want to write a plugin.

If you're going to have more than one student, may I recommend a
creating a Slack workspace?

That way you could document the learning as it goes. Questions and
answers are powerful learning tools. Acolytes could learn from each
other's questions as well. :-)

Chris

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Edward K. Ream  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM, jkn  wrote:
>
>> I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have a crack
>> at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to proceed?
>
>
> Yes.  Pick the items that most interest you.
>
> Edward
>
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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Edward K. Ream]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM, jkn  wrote:

I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have a crack
> at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to proceed?
>

​Yes.  Pick the items that most interest you.

Edward

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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[jkn]

Hi Edward

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:16:55 AM UTC, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> Yesterday I had an Aha. It's time to start training Leo devs 
> (developers)!  Leo's present devs are busy doing great work. We can't ask 
> them to do more.
>
> Leo's to-do list 
> 
>  
> has over 150 items. If you want one of those items, please consider adding 
> it yourself, *even if you aren't a programmer.* I'll teach you python and 
> Leo's internals.
>
> Python is easy to learn. After that, becoming acquainted with Leo's code 
> base will be easier than you might think.
>
> *Summary*
>
> If you have ever wanted to be a programmer, now is a great time ;-) I'll 
> be happy to answer *all *your questions.
>
> Training new devs will pay off handsomely (for me) in the long term.
>
> Edward
>
> P. S. From the fascinating 2018 Stack Overflow Developer Survey: 
> 
>
> "For the sixth year in a row, JavaScript is the most commonly used 
> programming language. Python has risen in the ranks, surpassing C# this 
> year, much like it surpassed PHP last year. Python has a solid claim to 
> being the fastest-growing major programming language 
> ."
>
> EKR
>

I'd be happy to look for a to-do item or two and volunteer to have a crack 
at them, if you like. Would that the the best way to proceed?

Regards
jon N/jkn
 

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Re: Font settings are not honored

[Chris George]

This is the result of a Qt bug.

I have attached a new theme that incorporates the workaround.

Load the @theme Breeze Dark node as the very last node of your
myLeoSettings.leo. If this theme works for you, let me know.

Chris

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 12:56 PM, rengel 
wrote:

> Leo 5.7 final, 2018-02-17
>
> I wanted to change the font-size, but the changes are not honored.
>
>
> 
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http://leoeditor.com/namespaces/leo-python-editor/1.1; >


	
	




Tests
Syntax coloring template
 defined section 

Test g.es(color=*)
g.error/note/warning test

@settings
@theme Breeze Dark
BreezeDark StyleSheet
Breeze Dark Color definitions
@color dark-base0 = #eff0f1
@color dark-base1 = #909396
@color dark-base2 = #ff
@color dark-base3 = #31363b
@color dark-base4 = #575b5f
@color dark-base5 = #232629
@color dark-base6 = #3daee9
@color dark-base7 = #224e65
@color dark-base8 = #ff

Settings for Leo Breeze Dark
Colors: Logical colors
@color log_black_color = @text-foreground
@color log_blue_color = @solarized-blue
@color log_cyan_color = @solarized-cyan
@color log_error_color = @solarized-red
@color log_green_color = @solarized-green
@color log_info_color = @solarized-blue
@color log_magenta_color = @solarized-magenta
@color log_note_color = @solarized-blue
@color log_orange_color = @solarized-orange
@color log_red_color = @solarized-red
@color log_violet_color = @solarized-violet
@color log_warning_color_= @solarized-red
@color log_white_color = @solarized-white
@color log_yellow_color = @solarized-yellow

Colors: Syntax coloring
Colors: defaults
@color blank_color = grey
@color tab_color = red
@color label_color = red
@color keyword1_color = #268bd2
@color keyword2_color = #268bd2
@color keyword3_color = #268bd2
@color keyword4_color = #268bd2
@color literal1_color = #859900
@color literal2_color = #859900
@color literal3_color = #859900
@color literal4_color = #859900
@color markup_color = #268bd2
@color comment1_color = #d33682
@color comment2_color = #d33682
@color comment3_color = #d33682
@color comment4_color = #d33682

Colors: Leo constructs
@color section_name_brackets_color = @solarized-blue
@color null_color = #6c71c4
@color operator_color = #6c71c4
@color doc_part_color = @solarized-red
@color leo_keyword_color = @solarized-green
@color section_name_color = @solarized-red
@color show_invisibles_space_color = #E5E5E5
@color show_invisibles_tab_color = #CC
@color undefined_section_name_color = red
@color url_color = @solarized-purple


Colors: Text
@color log_text_background_color = @dark-base3
@color log_text_foreground_color = @dark-base0
@color text-background = @dark-base3
@color text-background-bright = @dark-base4
@color text-foreground = @dark-base0
@color text-foreground-bright = @dark-base2

Colors: Widgets
@color button-hover-fg =@dark-base3

Fonts  text sizes
@string font-family = Inconsolata,Droid Sans Mono, DejaVu Sans Mono
@string font-family-body =@font-family
@string font-family-log =@font-family
@string font-family-tree =@font-family
@string font-size-body = 22px
@string font-size-log = 16px
@string font-size-tree = 18px

Gradients
@string bg-gradient =qlineargradient( x1:0 y1:0, x2:0 y2:1, stop:0.1@text-background-bright, stop:0.4 @text-background, stop:0.6@text-background, stop:0.9 @text-background-bright)
@string bg-gradient-hover =qlineargradient( x1:0 y1:0, x2:0 y2:1, stop:0.1 @dark-base4,stop:0.4 @dark-base0, stop:0.6 @dark-base0, stop:0.9@dark-base4)

Plugins settings
bookmarks
@color bookmarks_current_color = @solarized-orange
bookmarks base
@color bookmarks_base_color = @text-foreground
@string bookmarks_base_border = none
@string bookmarks_base_decoration = underline
@string bookmarks_base_family = none
@string bookmarks_base_margin = 0
@string bookmarks_base_padding = 1
@string bookmarks_base_size = @bookmarks_font_size
@string bookmarks_base_style = normal
@string bookmarks_base_weight = regular

bookmarks children
@color bookmarks_children_color = @text-foreground
@string 

Font settings are not honored

[rengel]

Leo 5.7 final, 2018-02-17

I wanted to change the font-size, but the changes are not honored.



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Re: e0615b0: A major update re paths

[Edward K. Ream]

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:12:03 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> This is a significant change because it changes backslashes to slashes on 
> Windows. As a result, cache entries may miss the first time you reload .leo 
> files.  Please report any problems immediately.
>

8ab89ca continues this work by replacing glob.glob by g.glob_glob 
everywhere in Leo's core.This ensures that the file names returned by 
glob.glob match the "regularized" names used elsewhere.

Remaining uses of glob.glob:

1. Several files in leo/external continue to use the "raw" glob.glob 
because they don't have assured access to leoGlobals.py.

2. launchLeo-unified.spec remains exactly as it was. Gratuitous changes to 
scripts like this are not recommended.

As often happens, I have done the work directly in devel so as to find 
problems as quickly as possible.

One would assume that these changes will have no effect whatever on 
platforms other than Windows, but one never knows.  

Please report any problems immediately.

Edward

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Re: Responses to PyDev of the week questionnaire

[Edward K. Ream]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Zoom.Quiet  wrote:

> + 1024 ;-)
>

​Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Edward

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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Edward K. Ream]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Matt Wilkie  wrote:

>
> Leo's to-do list
>> 
>> has over 150 items. If you want one of those items, please consider adding
>> it yourself, *even if you aren't a programmer.* I'll teach you python
>> and Leo's internals.
>>
>
> I'm not a programmer, but I've accomplished programming things and even
> contributed something worthwhile to Leo's install experience. Well maybe
> now I could use the "p" word, but that certainly wasn't true when I started
> with Leo! I've written things that do work and some other people have
> re-used some of my stuff. Leo and it's community helped me get here.
>

​You may not be a full-time programmer, but you have contributed greatly to
Leo.  So yes, you have earned your diploma :-)

Edward

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Re: Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Matt Wilkie]

> Leo's to-do list 
> 
>  
> has over 150 items. If you want one of those items, please consider adding 
> it yourself, *even if you aren't a programmer.* I'll teach you python and 
> Leo's internals.
>

I'm not a programmer, but I've accomplished programming things and even 
contributed something worthwhile to Leo's install experience. Well maybe 
now I could use the "p" word, but that certainly wasn't true when I started 
with Leo! I've written things that do work and some other people have 
re-used some of my stuff. Leo and it's community helped me get here.

Python is easy to learn. After that, becoming acquainted with Leo's code 
> base will be easier than you might think.
>

Well, python is easy, but programming itself is still hard! Eminently 
worthwhile though. The satisfactory glow that comes from *finally* 
producing a bit of code that does something useful, however small, even 
minuscule, can last for days. 

matt

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Re: Responses to PyDev of the week questionnaire

[Zoom.Quiet]

+ 1024 ;-)

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Matt Wilkie  wrote:
> +1 :)
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授: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/cn/
怒: 冗余不做,日子甭过!备份不做,十恶不赦!
KM keep growing environment culture which promoting organization learning!

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Re: Responses to PyDev of the week questionnaire

[Matt Wilkie]

+1 :)

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Re: Matt away for rest of March

[Edward K. Ream]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Matt Wilkie  wrote:

> I'll be away from computers for the last half of March, starting in a
> couple days. See you all in April ;-)
>

​Have a great time!

Edward

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Re: Windows defender is flagging LeoApp.exe as carrying a trojan

[Matt Wilkie]

>
> I think the included adware problem is an old one. if so, little unfair to 
> bring it up again 
> anything more recent? 
> sourceforge is under new management 
>
[...] 

> from the link, QQQ 
> Update: Since the writing of this article, SourceForge has been sold to a 
> new company that stopped the DevShare program discussed in this article. 
> We’re leaving this article here for historical reference, but it has since 
> stopped these shady practices. 
> QQQ 
>

I did post a follow up qualifier that referenced this. Did that not make it 
through? (there have been reports of missing posts in recent weeks).

matt

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Matt away for rest of March

[Matt Wilkie]

I'll be away from computers for the last half of March, starting in a 
couple days. See you all in April ;-)

matt

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OT: A better way to code, by Mike Bostock

[Matt Wilkie]

I'm continually in awe of Mike Bostock's work, c.f. Data Driven Documents (
d3.org). Impressive as that is, it's his power to clearly explain data, 
visualization and programming in cohesive bundle that transforms my 
thinking which impresses me most. I've not yet learned to do anything 
substantive in javascript, but reading Bostock's material has given me 
insight into own python projects. And a thirst to do more!

https://medium.com/@mbostock/a-better-way-to-code-2b1d2876a3a0

Just, wow.

Matt


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Re: e0615b0: A major update re paths

[Edward K. Ream]

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:12:03 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:

Here is the checkin log:
>

I forgot to mention that the apply/open_theme_file commands now *close* the 
to-be-opened theme file if it is not the only open file.  This does ensures 
that the theme is fully applied.

Not sure this hack will stay...

Edward

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e0615b0: A major update re paths

[Edward K. Ream]

This is a significant change because it changes backslashes to slashes on 
Windows. As a result, cache entries may miss the first time you reload .leo 
files.  Please report any problems immediately.

Here is the checkin log:

Fixed two related bugs: #663 and #809, and improved 
c_file.apply/open_theme_file.

#809: Themes dialog doesn't always start in leo/themes.
- qt_gui.py: Fixed bugs in qt_gui.runOpenFileDialog.

Fixed #663: Regularize slashes and back slashes
- This will invalidate caches the first time.
- Search for g.isWindows to see affected code.
- Added g.isWindows and g.isMac constants at start of leoGlobals.py.
- All relevant g.os_path* methods replace backslashes with slashes in file 
names.
- Tweaked a few unit tests.

Edward

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Please consider becoming a Leo dev, even if you aren't a programmer

[Edward K. Ream]

Yesterday I had an Aha. It's time to start training Leo devs (developers)!  
Leo's present devs are busy doing great work. We can't ask them to do more.

Leo's to-do list 

 
has over 150 items. If you want one of those items, please consider adding 
it yourself, *even if you aren't a programmer.* I'll teach you python and 
Leo's internals.

Python is easy to learn. After that, becoming acquainted with Leo's code 
base will be easier than you might think.

*Summary*

If you have ever wanted to be a programmer, now is a great time ;-) I'll be 
happy to answer *all *your questions.

Training new devs will pay off handsomely (for me) in the long term.

Edward

P. S. From the fascinating 2018 Stack Overflow Developer Survey: 


"For the sixth year in a row, JavaScript is the most commonly used 
programming language. Python has risen in the ranks, surpassing C# this 
year, much like it surpassed PHP last year. Python has a solid claim to 
being the fastest-growing major programming language 
."

EKR

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Please post comments about Leo on SourceForge

[Edward K. Ream]

The two most recent comments about Leo on Leo's SourceForge page 
 are clueless and insulting. I know 
of no way to have them removed.

Please add your own comment so that the two unhelpful comments will move 
down and become less visible.

This is going to be an issue as long as I make announcements to 
SourceForge, which I plan doing even after releasing only on github.

Thanks for your help.

Edward

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1fe0df: Leo now reports current directory on startup

[Edward K. Ream]

This rev happened yesterday. The log pane now reports home dir: .

That os.path.abspath(os.curdir), which is actually os.path.abspath('.').

This should clarify some path-related issues.

Edward

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