Re: binary installer

[Todd Mars]

All that's really needed is a script that tests and verifies each 
dependency and describes the issues when there is a problem.


On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 12:30:20 PM UTC-5, Todd Mars wrote:
>
> 12/11/2016: 
> using google to search for the leo installer, gives references to 
> sourceforge download and a one-click windows installer 'leo.exe' or 
> 'leoapp.exe'.
> There is a zip file for 5.4.
> There is no 'leo.exe' or 'leoapp.exe' in that zip file. Where is this 
> located? Is this not working?
> Thanks!
>
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binary installer

[Todd Mars]

12/11/2016: 
using google to search for the leo installer, gives references to 
sourceforge download and a one-click windows installer 'leo.exe' or 
'leoapp.exe'.
There is a zip file for 5.4.
There is no 'leo.exe' or 'leoapp.exe' in that zip file. Where is this 
located? Is this not working?
Thanks!

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Re: Leo.exe: a christmas present for newbies

[Todd Mars]

I"m setting up a new 64 bit win system. I'll just list some observations on 
a new 64 bit Win system, OK?:

It was blocked from running in the zip file. (no output).
--I'd suggest running a test program first and outputting the result.
It ran from the exe file. It has a dialog at start saying it needs the ID 
for the unique nodes tag.
That's OK, but it would be nice to have output saying where it was 
installed, and also warning about the temp folder,
or better yet start the .leo files in a good proper folder (and show where 
that is).
It installs silently and it's disconcerting to not know exactly where it 
went. (including python system files)
after running display is this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7i3h39xzEWwWjg2SWE0VDREVkU/view?usp=sharing

It would be good to display where the python info is going.
I'll want to uninstall it and do the regular python install probably.
Todd.
thanks!



On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 5:22:06 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:30 AM, ne1uno  
> wrote:
>
>> anyone else have problems running leo.exe from the zip file?
>> I don't have a 64bit system to check it on.
>> depends says it's a 64bit file and Xp errors when I try to run it.
>> this appears to be the only 64b file in the distribution.
>>
>
> ​Does the single-file version (leo.exe) work for you?
>
> Edward
>

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Copy Paste and moving cloned nodes

[Todd Mars]

If you cut/paste or copy/paste a clone is copied into a non-clone node.
What is the easiest quickest way to move around clones?
Thanks
Todd
I find line-by-line with cursor keys down/up is difficult.

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Re: whatever

[Todd Mars]

Thank-You!
Here are my notes:
LEO font size
leoSettings.leo
@settings/Appearance (change these first)
/Qt Gui Settings/Fonts/Basic Fonts (change these first)
/@string font-size =.
(changed to 10)

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 4:17:12 PM UTC-5, Todd Mars wrote:
>
> hi,
> finally upgraded to 5.1, now @clean node works and can output a simple 
> text file that reflects the outlline.
> So to make a small font in the body and headlines, I edit personal 
> settings file and put in what node?
> thanks
> it would be nice if ctrl- and ctrl+ could make the font sizes bigger and 
> smaller like they do in browsers.
>
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whatever

[Todd Mars]

hi,
finally upgraded to 5.1, now @clean node works and can output a simple text 
file that reflects the outlline.
So to make a small font in the body and headlines, I edit personal settings 
file and put in what node?
thanks
it would be nice if ctrl- and ctrl+ could make the font sizes bigger and 
smaller like they do in browsers.

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install versions

[Todd Mars]

Hi!
I have python 2.7 and 3.4, and run 2.7 by default in windows.
I was using Leo 5.0 using Python 3.4, with this:
C:\Python34\pythonw.exe "C:\Program Files\Leo-5.0-final\launchLeo.py"
and 'start in' folder:
C:\Program Files\Leo-5.0-final\leo"
Which worked Fine!
Now I'd like to use this:  (simply switch to Leo-5.1)

C:\Python34\pythonw.exe "C:\Program Files\Leo-5.1-final\launchLeo.py"
C:\Program Files\Leo-5.1-final\leo"
(with the new sources.)

It's not starting up, what am I missing? (windows 7)
Thanks!
Todd.


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Re: install versions

[Todd Mars]

I fix it by running this batch file (windows)

cd C:\Program Files\Leo-5.1-final
C:\Python34\python.exe launchLeo.py
pause

I guess it's just the environment it's running in by default. Great!

thanks,
Todd.

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versions, re-install, etc.

[Todd Mars]

I have some trouble because I had to downgrade py to 2.7 to use npm, so: 
(now I have py33 and py27 on the 'puter)
1) Is it necessary to uninstall old version of Leo to install new version?
2) To run Leo I use cmd and change folder to:
 C:\Python33\Lib\site-packages\Leo-4.11-final
 Then I execute this: \python33\python launchleo.py

Is this the best way to do it? (I'm updating an older laptop on my 
vacation, and will upgrade to latest Leo of course!)
Thanks plenty!
Todd



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Re: My advice: avoid Windows 10 until 2020

[Todd Mars]

On Windows 8.1 you could get most of the Windows 7 interface with a little 
tweaking, and there are security and speed improvements.
I hope that Windows 10 has the same thing.
Todd.


On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote:

 I spent most of yesterday installing and playing with Windows 10.  The 
 best aspect of 10 is that it is easy to roll back to Windows 7 :-)

 Imo, Windows 7 is far superior in look and feel.  Perhaps there are 
 security features behind the scenes, but the interface is a mess.  Bad 
 looking windows, wimpy start menu, etc.

 Yes, eventually I'll have to migrate to 10 when MS stops issuing security 
 updates for 7, but that won't happen until January 14, 2020.  Until then, 
 I'm sticking with 7.  Afaik, there is no need to move to 10 in order to 
 support Leo.

 All comments welcome.

 Edward


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Re: ENB: Proposal re #199: handling already-open files

[Todd Mars]

Hi,
There is kind of a standard way to deal with this problem, already.
1) an option to allow multiple versions of the app to run, or not.  (maybe 
check if a file exists in the folder you keep your database file in)
2) When refreshing the display, check if a later version of the file exists 
than what is opened.  (if the stored version is later than the last saved 
or loaded version)
 If so, ask the user if the user wants to load the later version of the 
file.

I think this behavior is in Notepad++ which is a good template for what 
works well for people.

It would be so cool to actually diff the two versions and show the user 
wouldn't it?
(in a separate floating window) Sorry I'm being extraneous.

thanks!
Todd.



On Saturday, June 20, 2015 at 7:01:07 PM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote:

 #199 https://github.com/leo-editor/leo-editor/issues/199 is presently 
 the most serious bug in Leo.  Sometimes, but not always, cancelling the 
 load of an already-opened .leo file will hard crash Leo (Python).

 This post is an Engineering Notebook post.  It's most notes to myself and 
 Terry.  Feel free to ignore.

 I am studying a core dump on Ubuntu.  It's been fun learning about 
 apport-retrace 
 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/en/man1/apport-retrace.1.html, 
 but not *that *much fun.  Terry's analysis of the problem is good enough 
 for me.  It's time to solve the problem with design, not mere code.



 *The original problem*Leo should indeed warn users when they attempt to 
 open an already-open file, call it *f.leo*.  Saving either copy of f.leo 
 could destroy data previously saved in the *other* copy of f.leo.

 The problem is not actually very serious, because Leo *already *warns if 
 f.leo has been changed outside of the presently executing copy of Leo.  For 
 example, suppose two invocations of Leo exists.  Let's call them *A* and 
 *B*.  Suppose Leo A saves f.leo. Later, if B saves f.leo, Leo B will 
 issue a warning that f.leo has been changed outside of B.

 Still, I think it is best to warn the user if f.leo is already open.

 The mechanism for checking for already-open files is fine. Leo makes 
 entries in the global db file when opening a file and deletes entries in 
 the db when closing the file. This can lead to spurious already open 
 messages if Leo is killed rather than being closed normally.  The db will 
 contain an entry for a .leo file that is not, in fact, open. Happily, this 
 has never been a big deal. Furthermore, the following scheme handles this 
 case even more smoothly than before.

 *Proposal: always open files, even if already open*

 Leo will no longer issue *per-file* requests for guidance.  Instead, Leo 
 will open all possibly-already-open files, putting warnings about them in 
 the log. Finally, Leo will raise a *single *warning dialog.  This dialog 
 will list the files that might already be open, and suggest that the user 
 close duplicate files in whatever copy of Leo is more convenient.

 This scheme solves several problems:

 1. Leo always loads files. This instantly eliminates the possibility of 
 hard crashes.

 2. It's faster than the existing scheme.  The user only has to dismiss the 
 summary dialog.

 3. The user will never have to choose *right now *what action to take. 
 Such choices are *always *odious and stressful.  Instead, the user can 
 choose to close the duplicate f.leo file in either A or B.  In most cases, 
 it's safe to leave *both* copies open, as long as both don't change.  To 
 repeat, Leo will issue a warning if that happens.

 4. Closing a duplicate file, in either A or B, automatically clears the db 
 entry for that file.  There is no need to ask the user whether to reset the 
 db!

 The only complication will be knowing exactly when/where to issue the 
 warning dialog.  The details will be different depending on whether Leo is 
 loading multiple files at startup, or loading a single file later.  But 
 this is only a coding detail.

 *Summary*

 A single dialog that warns about possibly-already-open files is the 
 simplest thing that could possibly work:

 - It's easy to code.
 - It will stamp out hard crashes.
 - It's simpler, faster, more flexible and less stressful for the user.

 Unless there are strong objections to this scheme, I plan to put it into 
 effect immediately.

 Your comments, please, Amigos.

 Edward
 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apport-retrace


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Re: ENB: Proposal re #199: handling already-open files

[Todd Mars]

Hi, Why is it needed to know that another copy of Leo is running?
Thanks!
(this kind of thing is fascinating!)


On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 5:18:01 PM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Todd Mars tam...@gmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

 The thing where it says it's already open when it's not, now I understand 
 it! Where is this global db file and why is it necessary?


 ​It's (usually?) in ~/.leo/db/global/open-leo-files  This a binary file 
 (pickleshare).

 It's necessary because there is no portable way to determine whether 
 another copy of Leo is running.

 EKR


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Re: ENB: Proposal re #199: handling already-open files

[Todd Mars]

The thing where it says it's already open when it's not, now I understand 
it! Where is this global db file and why is it necessary?
thanks
Todd.


On Saturday, June 20, 2015 at 7:01:07 PM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote:

 #199 https://github.com/leo-editor/leo-editor/issues/199 is presently 
 the most serious bug in Leo.  Sometimes, but not always, cancelling the 
 load of an already-opened .leo file will hard crash Leo (Python).

 This post is an Engineering Notebook post.  It's most notes to myself and 
 Terry.  Feel free to ignore.

 I am studying a core dump on Ubuntu.  It's been fun learning about 
 apport-retrace 
 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/en/man1/apport-retrace.1.html, 
 but not *that *much fun.  Terry's analysis of the problem is good enough 
 for me.  It's time to solve the problem with design, not mere code.



 *The original problem*Leo should indeed warn users when they attempt to 
 open an already-open file, call it *f.leo*.  Saving either copy of f.leo 
 could destroy data previously saved in the *other* copy of f.leo.

 The problem is not actually very serious, because Leo *already *warns if 
 f.leo has been changed outside of the presently executing copy of Leo.  For 
 example, suppose two invocations of Leo exists.  Let's call them *A* and 
 *B*.  Suppose Leo A saves f.leo. Later, if B saves f.leo, Leo B will 
 issue a warning that f.leo has been changed outside of B.

 Still, I think it is best to warn the user if f.leo is already open.

 The mechanism for checking for already-open files is fine. Leo makes 
 entries in the global db file when opening a file and deletes entries in 
 the db when closing the file. This can lead to spurious already open 
 messages if Leo is killed rather than being closed normally.  The db will 
 contain an entry for a .leo file that is not, in fact, open. Happily, this 
 has never been a big deal. Furthermore, the following scheme handles this 
 case even more smoothly than before.

 *Proposal: always open files, even if already open*

 Leo will no longer issue *per-file* requests for guidance.  Instead, Leo 
 will open all possibly-already-open files, putting warnings about them in 
 the log. Finally, Leo will raise a *single *warning dialog.  This dialog 
 will list the files that might already be open, and suggest that the user 
 close duplicate files in whatever copy of Leo is more convenient.

 This scheme solves several problems:

 1. Leo always loads files. This instantly eliminates the possibility of 
 hard crashes.

 2. It's faster than the existing scheme.  The user only has to dismiss the 
 summary dialog.

 3. The user will never have to choose *right now *what action to take. 
 Such choices are *always *odious and stressful.  Instead, the user can 
 choose to close the duplicate f.leo file in either A or B.  In most cases, 
 it's safe to leave *both* copies open, as long as both don't change.  To 
 repeat, Leo will issue a warning if that happens.

 4. Closing a duplicate file, in either A or B, automatically clears the db 
 entry for that file.  There is no need to ask the user whether to reset the 
 db!

 The only complication will be knowing exactly when/where to issue the 
 warning dialog.  The details will be different depending on whether Leo is 
 loading multiple files at startup, or loading a single file later.  But 
 this is only a coding detail.

 *Summary*

 A single dialog that warns about possibly-already-open files is the 
 simplest thing that could possibly work:

 - It's easy to code.
 - It will stamp out hard crashes.
 - It's simpler, faster, more flexible and less stressful for the user.

 Unless there are strong objections to this scheme, I plan to put it into 
 effect immediately.

 Your comments, please, Amigos.

 Edward
 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apport-retrace


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Something I need, Word? (haha)

[Todd Mars]

Hi!
I'm very pleased reading the design of the @clean implementation! Very 
interesting and I'm fascinated by the implications and applications.
So, I'm looking at some word documents that have outlines that are produced 
automatically by word processing programs.
1. blah
   a.  blah blah
  i.   blah
  ii.   blah
  iii.
 1.
 2.
 3.
  iv.
   b.
   c.
2.

So how to export and import this from leo outline into perhaps a dox or 
something?  perhaps the index level would be a headline auto-produced and 
the body would be the text blah blah parts.
I know word documents are hopelessly archaic but still used.

Todd.


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Re: I prefer Android Outliner to NoteLynX as a Leo-Editor partner

[Todd Mars]

 Also, there are I think 3 types of views (or 4) including different node 
 and editing views, so THAT can be confusing!

 Todd.
However, it makes a lot of sense.
 

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Re: I prefer Android Outliner to NoteLynX as a Leo-Editor partner

[Todd Mars]

 I stopped investigating NoteLynX when I couldn't find a way to rearrange 
 the projects (outlines) in the Project Main Menu, and, much more 
 seriously, I discovered that line breaks are ignored in the node body.  
 Also, I think the Android Outliner displays are better than the NoteLynX 
 displays.


The projects can simply be cut and pasted to re-arrange their order in the 
project list.  The UI is a little odd but it's very simple. Simply select 
one (shows a filled in circle) then select another with a context menu, and 
move there.
In general, the GUI is sometimes hard to use.  It works better with a 
faster tablet because touching tiny areas on cell phones can be confusing 
to the system and user.

 

  

Really?  In my experiments, I think NoteLynX deals with loops 
 unpredictably.  That is, I think loops expose bugs in NoteLynX.  That 
 is, it seems to me that when I do exactly the same thing (contracting 
 and expanding nodes) several times NoteLynX produces different displays 
 and I can't make any sense out of the displays. 


I've experienced problems like yours and I think they are usually user 
touch and confusing gui issues.  The author responds to bugs quickly.
I'll keep studying and investigating.
Thanks a lot for your code and comments about the .XML!
Todd.




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Re: User friendliness. Will it ever be a priority?

[Todd Mars]

This is an interesting thread and most of my 35 year experience is in this 
area, or related ones.
IMHO as they say, you don't stop development to re-do a UI.  Here's what 
you do:
1) Adapt the files to a new port, a re-write.  Gets easier every day. 
 Parallel development.
2) You identify a specific key feature that has some problem and that can 
be improved.  You make a nice easy link into a new GUI element (a modern 
style menu perhaps like a cell phone's)  or a guided dialog.
This can be integrated into the existing system.  Hit a button and get a 
better GUI interface.
That's my 2 cents.

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leo user's home directory (folder)

[Todd Mars]

Sorry for stupid question. (on windows 7 now)
where is the user's home folder?

I tried saving into a leo config sub-folder and got blocked by 
administrator rights which is a separate issue, normally in the shell you 
get a permission dialog which you can click through but from leo itself you 
don't.
Todd.

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Re: New Install

[Todd Mars]

thanks,
it's funny once you get it up and running (in my case 64 bit with PyQt4)
you just want to go on and use it
rather than figuring out what the issues were that made me stumble on the 
installation.

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New Install

[Todd Mars]

Trying to install on a new windows system.
I installed Python34 which goes into C:\Python34
I installed DocUtils
PyQt GPL v5.4 for Python v3.4 (x64) Setup reports an error and if I install 
it anyway Leo has an error.
This copy of PyQt has been built against Python v3.4 (x64) which doesn't 
seem to be installed.  Do you wish to continue with the installation?

So I say yes anyway.  (I have a C:\Python34 folder)

Installing the new Leo, it now goes into C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Leo-5.0-final

But it does not run. 
Python lauchLeo.py
outputs:
can not import either PyQt4 or PyQt5
ImportError: No module named 'PyQt5'
During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
...etc.
any idea what I should do?
Thanks!
Todd.


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Re: New Install

[Todd Mars]

I think a very hard issue is setup of the full system.  I have now 4 
computers and 2 have working versions on them and 2 have non-working 
versions.
A simple procedure would be great, that would work on a clean computer 
(Windows 7 or 8)
Todd.



On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 5:59:37 PM UTC-5, Todd Mars wrote:

 Trying to install on a new windows system.
 I installed Python34 which goes into C:\Python34
 I installed DocUtils
 PyQt GPL v5.4 for Python v3.4 (x64) Setup reports an error and if I 
 install it anyway Leo has an error.
 This copy of PyQt has been built against Python v3.4 (x64) which doesn't 
 seem to be installed.  Do you wish to continue with the installation?

 So I say yes anyway.  (I have a C:\Python34 folder)

 Installing the new Leo, it now goes into C:\Program Files 
 (x86)\Leo-5.0-final

 But it does not run. 
 Python lauchLeo.py
 outputs:
 can not import either PyQt4 or PyQt5
 ImportError: No module named 'PyQt5'
 During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
 ...etc.
 any idea what I should do?
 Thanks!
 Todd.




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Re: android outliners...

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BlueStacks runs well.
http://support.bluestacks.com/hc/en-us/articles/203081537-How-to-Access-Files-on-your-PC-from-BlueStacks-



On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 2:57:28 PM UTC-5, Don Dwiggins wrote:

  On 1/8/15 12:03 PM, Largo84 wrote:
  
 I'd love to find an Android tool that works with files I can also view and 
 edit from DropBox on my PC *and* on my Mac. I have NoteLynx, but haven't 
 used it much.


 Not wanting to hijack this forum, but I recently found Andy, a virtual 
 android that runs as a VM under Windows and Mac (using Oracle VirtualBox, 
 so maybe it could run under Linux as well).  I'm considering this to 
 provide what you outline, as an interim approach until I can write a 
 NoteLynx import/export capability for Leo (or until someone ports Leo to 
 Android!).  (All this is dreaming at this point...)


 Don

  
  Rob...

 On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 1:06:15 PM UTC-5, Todd Mars wrote: 


 I like NoteLynx; It's html based with some javascript, css, a nice 
 publish to html.  It uses 'links' to produce multiple parents and 
 'friends', and other parents are 'categories'.  And it uses .xml 
 There is a Leo viewer, why not just port leo editor to android directly? 
  (and write converters)
 Todd.
  
  
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Re: android outliners...

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I like NoteLynx; It's html based with some javascript, css, a nice publish 
to html.  It uses 'links' to produce multiple parents and 'friends', and 
other parents are 'categories'.  And it uses .xml 
There is a Leo viewer, why not just port leo editor to android directly? 
 (and write converters)
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visit every parent of a clone in editing traversal.

[Todd Mars]

It would be great to have a command to simply go to next parent of any 
clone, to be able to traverse in succession with the command, every parent 
of any clone (any node, really, since a node has just a single parent)
Doable and does this make sense as a need or is it already done?
Todd.
Of course, if you went to a parent of a clone, the focus on the clone would 
be lost. So you'd have to keep the focus on the clone at the new location, 
and just open up the tree where the next parent exists.
make sense?

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day to day minor newbie issues?

[Todd Mars]

Is it possible to branch another leo google group for minor newbie 
day-to-day issues?
I'm using Leo as a daily organizer at work, and hope to someday transition 
to a programmer that uses it.
When little problems or issues come up, it would be nice to have a 
discussion that is separate from the real power users-developers group.
Would there be any interest or am I blowing into the wind?  (or is it 
already existing?)
thanks!
Todd
(this would be for general discussion of nit-picks perhaps)

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rst3 indentation errors can override?

[Todd Mars]

If the body has an indented line we can get this error on creating rst3

System Message: ERROR/3 (string, line 1032)
Unexpected indentation.

is there a way to deal easily with these errors? probably an input language 
type?
Thanks!

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Re: Houston, we have a problem with gnx's

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OK great:
The fact that GNX is considered visually intrusive is a separate issue.
There should be a design to mitigate that.
My diagnosis: you are confusing two diseases as having the same cause.
1- There are bad GNX (functionality). If GNX is fixed it makes the visual 
worse.
2- There are visual problems with displaying them in external files 
(perhaps other problems related to this?)
So fix (2) and then (1) will be OK.
Todd.

So to fix (2), I would add something to their output format to distinguish 
'new' from 'old'.
 If it is 'new', then I would display it differently in a nicer way (if 
possible, for example: perhaps an index to a table of real GNX at the end 
of the file).
If it is old then it is old.  So a way is needed to uniquely show 'new' 
that 'old' cannot 'masquerade' as (be confused as)
Todd.



On Friday, October 24, 2014 6:17:43 AM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Fidel N fidel...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 

  Couldn't two gnx be stored? 
  - a short one visually acceptable for inside the documents that the 
 external 
  user will see, just with a reference to the actual gnx it refers to. 
 Maybe 
  just an index of the place that the real gnx has within the Leo 
 document. 
  - A second one, embedded in the Leo file, stored in a list of gnx's, 
 in a 
  certain order that would be referred from the simple one. Just the 
 position 
  of the gnx's lists would need to be stored within the first one. 

 I considered such a scheme many years ago.  Not only is it more 
 complex, it's not robust enough.  Sentinel comments must be 
 self-contained. 

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Navigation

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Hello! How do I do this?

global to an outline:
Find text (with multiple results) 
Display next/previous results (go to location in the outline for each 
search found)

Thanks,
Todd.

P.S. Good luck to Edward on the vacation!!

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view all parents and navigate?

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Hi,
Is it possible to view all parents of a clone and navigate to them easily 
through the view?
Thanks
Todd.

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Re: Using leo for documentation (rst3 html)

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 The Repeats: It is to perform a command when the user stops typing, right?

 
--If the user has not type, nothing is done.
--If the user has typed, then the timer starts.  If there was a timer 
already, it's just reset to the delay time.
--when the timer fires, the command is executed. 

just checking thanks Todd since I initiated this thing.

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Using leo for documentation (rst3 html)

[Todd Mars]

HI, I'm trying to use Leo for documentation, memoes, etc. using rst3
One hassle: how do you do columnar editing mode?
On Windows it is hold down ALT key while using the mouse for columnar copy 
paste etc.

Another request!
I've found a delay timer to execute code is very useful.  For example, if I 
stopped typing for 5 seconds,
It would execute 'Alt-X Ctrl-P' and execute the last command which in my 
case is to produce my HTML (rst3)
so I can look at it.
This would help editing, making it more interactive editing in the rst3.

Thanks, having fun.
Todd.


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Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

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There is no reason why the settings cannot be made user friendly, other 
than the work involved.
Simply enumerating the specific problems from the beginning, and designing 
a friendly user interface to perform the tasks.
When that is done, a good programmer can do it.
Todd.

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delete all nodes bug?

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I'm on Leo 4.11 build 5020
I selected ALL nodes, and deleted them. (I think I used the context menu 
delete)
Then the outline window was red, could not insert any nodes, could not Undo.
Todd.
(Had to abandon the outline and start again)

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Search

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How to get a Search (headlines or bodies)?
Can the results be links to the node?
Todd.

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New install problem

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Hi!
I have a new 64 bit install, I have Python33 and PyQT5. And Leo-4.11-final.
When I execute Python lauch-leo.py, I get errors PyQt4 no module named, 
ImportErrors, etc.
So, where's that association?
Thanks
Todd.

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Re: On Topic: Intuition Pumps

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So your static type checking project has the goal of producing 
C-performance code system.  Meaning it can be compiled into machine code.
Well the problem might be that code can make type assumptions and change 
types based on run-time events rather than build-time knowledge.
So for example during run-time, some code would have to compile to execute 
the new run-time conditions.  Interpreted code does this easily.
How this relates to performance and static type checking?  Perhaps my brain 
will figure this out, it kind of makes sense.
Todd.

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Re: On Topic: Intuition Pumps

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 I am focusing on the simplest useful tools that might detect *some* kinds 
of errors. 

 I was generalizing.  So what kind of errors would you detect?


Also you say about code that handles run time type changes:   Indeed, 
*all* of Leo's functions and methods will quickly fail if they do not, in 
fact, receive arguments of the expected types.  I assert (without proof ) 
that in this respect Python and C programs are similar.

I was thinking about code that is written generically for types and during 
run time the types determine what code is run, and the types are passed in 
during run time, not compile type.  In C the types are set-up and in 
run-time perhaps different paths can be taken but it still -seems- more 
set-up for the types at build time.

Anyway, you have not designed any static-type-checking code yet? Just 
curious.
Todd.

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Headlines as Titles with spaces for hyperlink in RST3

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In RST you can hyperlink to titles.  In Leo headlines turn into titles in 
RST but if there are spaces in them this hyperlink does not work, 
hyperlinks cannot see them.
Using quotes does not help, that I can find.
Is this a problem and whose problem is it?
Thanks!
Todd.

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Re: Leo as a PIM

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Regarding PIM functionality,
I have been using Leo on and off for organizational tasks and there are 
lots of fascinating ways to work it.
It would take some work to make it user friendly. The self-referential 
technology feels like it can do many new things which need to be worked 
with to fully grasp.
For example a good calendar that references nodes (--and nodes that refer 
back to calendar--), photography, maps, GPS locations and time/dates
on photographs are things I've been thinking about lately. These would need 
to be programmed in but the scaffolding is there.  Scaffolding meaning 
maintaining editability of structure, which needs to be made more user 
friendly.
emailing from nodes? contact lists? the structure of back-references 
(clones etc) brings up strange new ways of doing things that are 
interesting.
Todd.

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@url file absolute path

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Hello, regarding a change from 4.9 to 4.10

Used to be if I opened a file with @url file:C:\Users\blahblah.leo

Then in the file blahblah.leo I had OTHER @url file:blah2.leo
Then the second file would be opened in the same folder as the first.
This is no longer the case, I have to have absolute paths.

I used this to move a set of files from one folder to another and be able 
to open them with @url file:filename.leo  (using the relative path)

Thanks
Todd.

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Re: write protect

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Well I am thinking being able to -completely- write protect a node is 
interesting to add freedom to add functionality that cannot exist otherwise.
(like cross-file references to nodes which would have to be write protected)
In that case I could make some interesting documentation (what I do now 
mostly with Leo).
If that was possible there would be no difficulty with cross file node 
references. As far as I can think!
Todd.

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Re: write protect

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Are there Node Types? Or are all nodes basically the same, all the same 
type. Not having different situations, but treated uniquely. (having 
children or being cloned is a situation but not a type)?
Thanks Todd.

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write protect

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Hi, Cheers!
Could you have write-protected nodes?
Can you have node references that cannot change node contents?
Todd.
(while editing outlines)

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comparison leo outline type with other outliner's types?

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I remember reading -somewhere- about comparing various multi-parent or 
multi-copy of node outline types (clones vs. backlinks or whatever) but I 
can't find where I read that. Where is it?  Desire to read analysis, isn't 
that in the leo docs somewhere?
Thanks!
Todd.

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section references to other outlines?

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hi!
I can use clones to make section references to sections outside of the
tree branch in the same outline. But how can I make section references
to other leo outlines? (other @url file:dada.leo) or maybe make clones
to other outline nodes so that I can make section references to them?
thanks! todd.

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Re: output body and headlines (newbie)

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I would like to output @file trees with the headline as the top line
of the body text that is written. (an option to do that)
Or:
I would like to be able to indent @rst fn output, each headline
section is indented (using indented @others doesn't do it)

This is just to use Leo as a documentation tool for me.
thanks
todd.

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Re: output body and headlines (newbie)

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Very beautiful thanks, Terry.  At some point I'll learn enough to get
what I want, not being Python-able yet.
Now using Leo to organize my thoughts, and needing output. (for
showing them)

Another thing I probably want/need is to write my @file node
(@auto .txt right now) according to the current state as viewed on the
screen.
Meaning that if a node is expanded or collapsed, then the textual
output shows exactly that.
This is so that I can write stages in the outline and display them in
output. (stages that can change according to what I want to see)
Don't know if this makes sense but there tis!
todd.

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Re: output body and headlines (newbie)

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Ouch, if I have a clone of a node,
in expansion of @auto test.txt
the clone is not output only the original?
todd.

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output body and headlines (newbie)

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Can I export text representation with both headlines and bodies in a
simple outline structure? (like a text dump)Perhaps there is a way to
do this in rst but output defaults to all left justified.
thanks!

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Re: output body and headlines (newbie)

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When it does 'print(\n..' where does that go to?

What I really want is to write files, in which the first line of every
'body text' section contains it's headline.
thanks!
todd.

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transfer edit?

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I'm playing with xml @auto import.   (using @settings @data
import_xml_tags)

I'm wondering about what we old folks used to call transfer edit. Read
one file but Write a different one, transferring so that the original
is not clobbered!

Make any sense?
todd.

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newbie open leo document via node

[Todd Mars]

Hi from a newbie, wannabie...

My question is how do I make a node that when double-clicked on (or
another command) opens a new Leo Window containing the document
specified in the node (by name)...
possibly a nodeAction?

Thanks!
Todd.

I searched but could not find...

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Re: corrupted leo file?

[Todd Mars]

 OT: It amazes me that an OS which actually calls itself Windows ships with 
 a window manager which buries critical dialogs under all the other windows.  
 And that this *still* happens in Windows 7.  It's been saying 'Please wait, 
 installing' for three hours... oh wait, there's a click to continue dialog 
 underneath the main installer window, with no entry on the task bar

Windows doesn't do that. The application (installer in this case) does
that.  The problem with Windows is they let developers specify the
properties of the dialogs, even critical ones. Oh, wait, the
application does not think it's Critical so it does not specify
Always On Top or whateverAnd should it be a modal dialog?...
Spider-man's uncle said with great power comes great responsibility.

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Re: Docs and installer should have top priority

[Todd Mars]

Proper thing to do is run Python installer and run QT installer if
user says to, from the Leo installer first.
In either case if the user installs Leo, and Python and QT are
installed, it should work. It does not now.
(my new Win7 install did not a few days ago)
Just takes a bit of work that's all, sorting out the exceptional
cases.
Todd.


On Aug 27, 10:56 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Steve Allen qt02...@gmail.com wrote:
  Leo installation doesn't seem to be an issue with Linux (at least with
  Ubuntu which I'm familiar with), so I won't comment on Linux
  installations.

  However, on the subject of Windows and Mac installations (and
  subsequent execution), are there insurmountable barriers to
  creating .EXE and .DMG files?

 Probably. I'm not interested in trying.  I'll consider looking at
 fully functional installers.

 Edward

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