Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[lewis]

Hi Edward,

Can you please update the readme .md link above and create an entry in 
https://github.com/leo-editor/leo-editor/tree/master/leo/doc for readme .md

I think that is a better place as it presents the readme.md document 
properly formatted in a browser, rather than having to view it manually 
after downloading from sourceforge.

Thanks
Lewis

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 9:03:08 AM UTC+11, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
>
> ​I have just uploaded ​
>  
> ​readme.md and Readme-quick-install.txt.  
>

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Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[Edward K. Ream]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Ross Burnett  wrote:

Re: most recent sourceforge page (Home
> / Leo
>  / 5.4-final)  - is
> there documentation about the various downloads? Some are mentioned in the
> Leo doc pages, but not in detail.
>

​I have just uploaded ​

​readme.md and Readme-quick-install.txt.  I forgot to do so, and have just
added an item to the distribution checklist to remind me. These two files
should answer all your questions.  If not, please ask away here.

EKR

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Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[Ross Burnett]

I appreciate the quick response.

>
> ​So what?
>
I thought this was a simple one file install where one could reasonably 
expect an equally simple way of restarting the program, like 99% of Windows 
installs. 

> ​
>  
> ​No.  I meant what I said. leo.exe is, indeed, a stand-alone version of 
> Leo. Nothing else is required. You can create a link to it and put it on 
> the desktop.
>

Creating a shortcut - that I can do, but am unable to locate leo.exe in the 
installation.  The only .exe I could find is LeoApp  

Re: most recent sourceforge page (Home  
/ Leo 
 / 5.4-final)  - is there 
documentation about the various downloads? Some are mentioned in the Leo 
doc pages, but not in detail.

I believe in the awesomeness of your system, and really, really want to 
learn and use it, but I guess I need to become more educated about the 
various tools that are needed for development and deployment, which I need 
to do anyway. I've been developing in Cobol for IBM mainframes off and on 
since the early '70's when I used to power up and IPL a 360-30 with 64k ram 
and load my programs via the cardreader when I worked on the weekends.  But 
Cobol is not so good for windows desktop apps.

Thanks again,
RSB

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Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[Edward K. Ream]

​​
On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Ross Burnett  wrote:

> I unzipped LeoAppFolder and executed LeoApp and it did start up Leo, but
> it did not create a Leo icon on the desktop or in Start, and there is no
> launchLeo included in the package.
>

​So what?
​


> I also can't find python.exe in the package, so it's using the python i
> already had installed?
>

​The package contains python27.dll and many other .dll and .pyd files.​


Did you mean to point to a different link?
>

​No.  I meant what I said. leo.exe is, indeed, a stand-alone version of
Leo. Nothing else is required. You can create a link to it and put it on
the desktop.

Having said this, I don't recommend the stand-alone version of Leo.
Downloading Anaconda is easier in the long run.  A gazillion scientists use
Anaconda as the base of IPython.  Anaconda gives you pip, and once you have
pip installing other packages is a snap. And once you pip install git,
keeping Leo up-to-date with git pull is also a snap.

In short, focusing on one-step installation is counter-productive in the
long run. Anaconda, pip and git are tools worth a little work to get.

EKR

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Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[Ross Burnett]

I unzipped LeoAppFolder and executed LeoApp and it did start up Leo, but it 
did not create a Leo icon on the desktop or in Start, and there is no 
launchLeo included in the package.
I also can't find python.exe in the package, so it's using the python i 
already had installed?
Did you mean to point to a different link?

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:24:12 AM UTC-8, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Ross Burnett  > wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a simple question: why isn't there a simple one file installation 
>> .exe for Windows? 
>>
>
> ​There is such a thing.  It's ​
>  here 
> 
> .​ 
> ​ This installs everything you need to run Leo, including python and all 
> libraries. Is this not working for you?
>
> EKR
>

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Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[Edward K. Ream]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Ross Burnett  wrote:

>
> I have a simple question: why isn't there a simple one file installation
> .exe for Windows?
>

​There is such a thing.  It's ​
 here

.​
​ This installs everything you need to run Leo, including python and all
libraries. Is this not working for you?

EKR

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Re: Installation docs - improvements suggested

[Ross Burnett]

Thanks for that Lewis.

I have a simple question: why isn't there a simple one file installation 
.exe for Windows? 

I realize that to use this for python development, one would need python 
installed, and to create a gui application, one would need PyQT or some 
other graphic package.
But if I just wanted to use it as a PIM or to write documentation, or a 
dozen other uses, I shouldn't need python installed.

I plan to use python to create a Windows desktop application to use at work 
and to deploy to other business analysts, most of whom have little or no 
programming experience. There is simply no way I could get them or 
management to accept a program that needs the kind of installation overhead 
that Leo requires. I doubt very few other python-based applications could 
get any traction if they had a similar overhead.

I've been thinking of the trials of trying to get Leo working as a sort of 
entrance exam.  You don't get to play unless you're really committed and 
have a lot of development experience going in.

Is it the built-in functionality that requires a separate python and QT 
that would not be possible as a simple standalone application?  
Could there be a simpler version that doesn't allow the advanced 
development, and an advanced version that does?

Could Leo be structured like PyCharm or any other IDE where you simply 
install the package and then update the settings to point to the python 
installation you want to use?

Thanks.

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