Re: [liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-18 Thread ttscanada 



Thank you, would love to talk off list.


All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter



On 13-03-18 1:19 PM, Brian Conley wrote:

Hi Heather,

First of all, I can't echo Jacob's concerns enough. You can find a 
concise overview of the risks of using satellite phones in a guide I 
authored last year:


http://smallworldnews.tv/guide/ (specifically: 
http://www.smallworldnews.com/Guide/Guide_SatPhone_English.pdf)


If you're still considering using a satellite phone, I would suggest 
that, with a clearly defined strategy, strong plan for success, and 
acceptance of the risks, there isn't likely to be a more effective 
tool for getting verbal or shortform text updates out.


However this means you need not only people inside willing to take the 
risks to call out with updates and news, you also need a guarantee 
from journalists and news agencies outside that they WILL RUN the 
reports. Without guarantees that the news will be used/distributed 
broadly, its certainly not worth the risk.


It's true that small cameras taking pictures on microSD cards which 
are then transported out by hand is SAFER, it may not be more 
effective. Again, without a complete chain of impact from creation to 
distribution of the media, nothing will be effective. If your 
colleagues will be producing video or photo content, I'd be happy to 
provide some advice/resources to improve their work.


I'm happy to speak more, and may be able to put you in touch with some 
journalists who would be interested in traveling over, and/or using 
the reports your colleagues might produce.


regards

Brian

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM, ttscanada <mailto:ttscan...@riseup.net>> wrote:


Hi all,

For those that aren't aware, 800,000 Rohingya people in Burma are
being cut off from communication as the military and government
try to drive them out of the country. Over 100,000 are being
starved to death in concentration camps, the rest are driven into
boats which neighbouring countries are refusing to allow to land.
There have been two large scale massacres as well, one in June,
one in October. Our contacts have been saying for weeks there is
another massacre planned for the end of March, but even if there
weren't, they are living in houses made of straw and plastic bags
with no food or medical aid and the rains are coming. This is a
full scale genocide supported by the current Burma/Myanmar
government. Media and aid groups are blocked and the people are
jailed just for having a TV, they have no phones.

More information, check out over 100 pages of links here
http://topsy.com/s/georgiebc+Rohingya?window=a the #Rohingya tag
on Twitter or google.

We have a way to hopefully get some journalists in to document war
crimes. We need satellite phones for the Rohingya people as well,
as many as possible, donated would be great. If anyone has any
ideas for a good phone source it would be appreciated.

All the best,

Heather Marsh

@GeorgieBC on Twitter

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Re: [liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-18 Thread ttscanada 

On 13-03-18 5:39 AM, Andreas Bader wrote:
So if you say that there's possibly a massacre the next few weeks, we 
should advise the media and journalists of this situation, so that at 
least it would be reported. So we have a basis for a war crime 
accusation. I personally think the the biggest fear of a regime like 
that is a world watching them. Andreas --


Yes, exactly. Most media with half a clue is aware, this has been going 
on since last June and Rohingya persecution has been well documented for 
years, the problem is evidence. The Burmese government tells everyone 
who asks a) Rohingya don't exist or b) They burnt their own houses and 
left in boats because they felt like it, who knows where they are now.


Yes, we need evidence.


All the best,

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Re: [liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-17 Thread ttscanada 


Thanks Mark, interesting. Was this recently?

All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter



On 13-03-17 2:18 PM, Mark Belinsky wrote:
In my work with the Rohingya and research into communications systems 
in Arakan state in the Western portion of the country, it was notable 
that there was data coverage spilling over from neighboring Bangladesh 
and people were using these towers to transmit information across 
borders.


All the best,
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM, ttscanada <mailto:ttscan...@riseup.net>> wrote:


Very good points, thanks, Jake. We were thinking more of phones
since it appears they are more paranoid of cameras than phones,
but you have a very good point, phones are more easily controlled.
Rethinking.


All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter


On 13-03-17 1:25 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

ttscanada:

Hi Jacob,

Yes, exactly to the security issues, which is why we have
tried nothing
to date, any Rohingya caught with anything like a camera
or radio is
tortured and killed. Ease of use is also paramount, there
is no point
risking lives to get a phone in that no one can use. We are
unfortunately at final wipeout stage and the people there
are agreed
that the risk of being killed is 100% with or without
phones. I don't
know of anything except satellite phones they could use to
document. The
military is definitely paranoid of cameras, phones and
outsiders atm.
The situation in every refugee camp outside Burma is also
awful, but
still not at the stage where it is worth risking lives. We
have managed
to get some pictures (like of Rakhine flyers announcing
the next
massacre) but almost nothing out of Sittwe. There is
plenty that needs
documenting in the surrounding areas though.

In any case, they know they will die, they don't want to
die without a
trace. I am slightly more optimistic that if we get some
pictures out
some of them won't die at all, we have it from good
sources that the
government is already very annoyed at the small publicity
we have
created and worried at the war crimes documentation. The
government's
official position is that the Rohingya don't actually
exist, or if they
did they just left.

The situation with the Rohingya is heart breaking. :(

If it is possible, I would suggest trying to bring cameras
like the GoPro:

http://gopro.com/

They're not easy or cheap in that part of the world. They are
certainly
easier to pass on, harder to detect and have a quality that is
rarely
available to any phone camera. Obviously, any camera is better
than no
camera for documenting but those are generally weather proofed for
serious use.

It seems like physical smuggling or geo-caching of the data
would be
much safer than a sat phone that can be *tracked* and *jammed*
simultaneously. At least with geo-caching, one could pass
along the
coordinates for evidence later and then perhaps at a later
date, we will
have the evidence stored, found and released.

As far as physical smuggling, I suspect that people would need to
swallow the media cards or to sew them into clothing. That
would allow
the cameras to stay in the area but for the data to trickle out.

I wish that there was more that I could offer but areas with the
Rohingya is very hard to reach. If there is information that
you would
like to discuss more privately, I welcome contact with GnuPG
or with OTR
off list.

If you are able to get the data to a major city, I think that
physical
transport *of a copy* will be your best bet for getting the
data out
quickly.

All the best,
Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-17 Thread ttscanada 
Very good points, thanks, Jake. We were thinking more of phones since it 
appears they are more paranoid of cameras than phones, but you have a 
very good point, phones are more easily controlled. Rethinking.


All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter


On 13-03-17 1:25 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

ttscanada:

Hi Jacob,

Yes, exactly to the security issues, which is why we have tried nothing
to date, any Rohingya caught with anything like a camera or radio is
tortured and killed. Ease of use is also paramount, there is no point
risking lives to get a phone in that no one can use. We are
unfortunately at final wipeout stage and the people there are agreed
that the risk of being killed is 100% with or without phones. I don't
know of anything except satellite phones they could use to document. The
military is definitely paranoid of cameras, phones and outsiders atm.
The situation in every refugee camp outside Burma is also awful, but
still not at the stage where it is worth risking lives. We have managed
to get some pictures (like of Rakhine flyers announcing the next
massacre) but almost nothing out of Sittwe. There is plenty that needs
documenting in the surrounding areas though.

In any case, they know they will die, they don't want to die without a
trace. I am slightly more optimistic that if we get some pictures out
some of them won't die at all, we have it from good sources that the
government is already very annoyed at the small publicity we have
created and worried at the war crimes documentation. The government's
official position is that the Rohingya don't actually exist, or if they
did they just left.


The situation with the Rohingya is heart breaking. :(

If it is possible, I would suggest trying to bring cameras like the GoPro:

   http://gopro.com/

They're not easy or cheap in that part of the world. They are certainly
easier to pass on, harder to detect and have a quality that is rarely
available to any phone camera. Obviously, any camera is better than no
camera for documenting but those are generally weather proofed for
serious use.

It seems like physical smuggling or geo-caching of the data would be
much safer than a sat phone that can be *tracked* and *jammed*
simultaneously. At least with geo-caching, one could pass along the
coordinates for evidence later and then perhaps at a later date, we will
have the evidence stored, found and released.

As far as physical smuggling, I suspect that people would need to
swallow the media cards or to sew them into clothing. That would allow
the cameras to stay in the area but for the data to trickle out.

I wish that there was more that I could offer but areas with the
Rohingya is very hard to reach. If there is information that you would
like to discuss more privately, I welcome contact with GnuPG or with OTR
off list.

If you are able to get the data to a major city, I think that physical
transport *of a copy* will be your best bet for getting the data out
quickly.

All the best,
Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-17 Thread ttscanada 


Hi Gregory,

How ... nauseating? Rohingya had their citizenship (vote and right to be 
recognized as human) stripped in 1982 even though they have been in 
Burma for generations. ASSK and her supporters democratically decided 
that the majority do not like Rohingya so they will exterminate them. 
She calls the Rohingya 'an international problem', ie they belong 
somewhere other than Burma. Yay, ASSK and democracy.


http://www.arabnews.com/suu-kyi-calls-rohingya-massacre-%E2%80%98international-tragedy%E2%80%99
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-TOP-dalai-lama-askshitherto-silentsuu-kyi-to-intervene-in-rohingya-issue-4004768-NOR.html
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,USCIS,,MMR,,3ae6a6a41c,0.html

Here's something you might like to look at: 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/129534164/Buddhist-Nationalism-in-Burma-How-Institutionalized-Racism-led-to-the-Genocide-of-Rohingya-Muslims-Tricycle-Spring-2013


All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter


On 13-03-17 1:07 PM, Gregory Foster wrote:
I've been learning about the recent history of Burma through a 
collection of Aung San Suu Kyi's writings and speeches.  A quotation 
from her essay "In Quest of Democracy" written before her house arrest 
in 1989:


Revolutions generally reflect the irresistible impulse for necessary 
changes which have been held back by official policies or retarded by 
social apathy.  The institutions and practices of democracy provide 
ways and means by which such changes could be effected without 
recourse to violence.  But change is anathema to authoritarianism, 
which will tolerate no deviation from rigid policies.  Democracy 
acknowledges the right to differ as well as the duty to settle 
differences peacefully.  Authoritarian governments see criticism of 
their actions and doctrines as a challenge to combat. Opposition is 
equated with 'confrontation', which is interpreted as violent 
conflict.  Regimented minds cannot grasp the concept of confrontation 
as an open exchange of major differences with a view to settlement 
through genuine dialogue.  The insecurity of power based on coercion 
translates into a need to crush all dissent. Within the framework of 
liberal democracy, protest and dissent can exist in healthy 
counterpart with orthodoxy and conservatism, contained by a general 
recognition of the need to balance respect for individual rights with 
respect for law and order.


The words 'law and order' have so frequently been misused as an 
excuse for oppression that the very phrase has become suspect in 
countries which have known authoritarian rule.  Some years ago, a 
prominent Burmese author wrote an article on the notion of law and 
order as expressed by the official term /nyein-wut-pi-pyar/.  One by 
one he analysed the words, which literally mean 
'silent-crouched-crushed-flattened', and concluded that the whole 
made for an undesirable state of affairs, one which militated against 
the emergence of an articulate, energetic, progressive citizenry.  
There is no intrinsic virtue to law and order unless 'law' is equated 
with justice and 'order' with the discipline of a people satisfied 
that justice has been done.  Law as an instrument of state oppression 
is a familiar feature of totalitarianism. Without a properly elected 
legislature and an independent judiciary to ensure due process, the 
authorities can enforce as 'law' arbitrary decrees that are in fact 
flagrant negations of all acceptable norms of justice.  There can be 
no security for citizens in a state where new 'laws' can be made and 
old ones changed to suit the convenience of the powers that be.  The 
iniquity of such practices is traditionally recognized by the precept 
that existing laws should not be set aside at will.  The Buddhist 
concept of law is based on /dhamma/, righteousness or virtue, not on 
the power to impose harsh and inflexible rules on a defenceless 
people.  The true measure of the justice of a system is the amount of 
protection it guarantees to the weakest.



gf


On 3/17/13 2:29 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

Dear Heather,

ttscanada:

Hi all,

For those that aren't aware, 800,000 Rohingya people in Burma are being
cut off from communication as the military and government try to drive
them out of the country. Over 100,000 are being starved to death in
concentration camps, the rest are driven into boats which neighbouring
countries are refusing to allow to land. There have been two large 
scale

massacres as well, one in June, one in October. Our contacts have been
saying for weeks there is another massacre planned for the end of 
March,

but even if there weren't, they are living in houses made of straw and
plastic bags with no food or medical aid and the rains are coming. This
is a full scale genocide supported by the current Burma/Myanmar
government. Media and aid groups are blocked and the peop

Re: [liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-17 Thread ttscanada 

Hi Jacob,

Yes, exactly to the security issues, which is why we have tried nothing 
to date, any Rohingya caught with anything like a camera or radio is 
tortured and killed. Ease of use is also paramount, there is no point 
risking lives to get a phone in that no one can use. We are 
unfortunately at final wipeout stage and the people there are agreed 
that the risk of being killed is 100% with or without phones. I don't 
know of anything except satellite phones they could use to document. The 
military is definitely paranoid of cameras, phones and outsiders atm. 
The situation in every refugee camp outside Burma is also awful, but 
still not at the stage where it is worth risking lives. We have managed 
to get some pictures (like of Rakhine flyers announcing the next 
massacre) but almost nothing out of Sittwe. There is plenty that needs 
documenting in the surrounding areas though.


In any case, they know they will die, they don't want to die without a 
trace. I am slightly more optimistic that if we get some pictures out 
some of them won't die at all, we have it from good sources that the 
government is already very annoyed at the small publicity we have 
created and worried at the war crimes documentation. The government's 
official position is that the Rohingya don't actually exist, or if they 
did they just left.


All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter


On 13-03-17 12:29 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

Dear Heather,

ttscanada:

Hi all,

For those that aren't aware, 800,000 Rohingya people in Burma are being
cut off from communication as the military and government try to drive
them out of the country. Over 100,000 are being starved to death in
concentration camps, the rest are driven into boats which neighbouring
countries are refusing to allow to land. There have been two large scale
massacres as well, one in June, one in October. Our contacts have been
saying for weeks there is another massacre planned for the end of March,
but even if there weren't, they are living in houses made of straw and
plastic bags with no food or medical aid and the rains are coming. This
is a full scale genocide supported by the current Burma/Myanmar
government. Media and aid groups are blocked and the people are jailed
just for having a TV, they have no phones.


I'm well aware and having just been in Burma, I'm sad to say that most
people in the world are unaware; those in Burma that know seem afraid to
speak out.


More information, check out over 100 pages of links here
http://topsy.com/s/georgiebc+Rohingya?window=a the #Rohingya tag on
Twitter or google.

We have a way to hopefully get some journalists in to document war
crimes. We need satellite phones for the Rohingya people as well, as
many as possible, donated would be great. If anyone has any ideas for a
good phone source it would be appreciated.

Please be very careful - the communications systems in Burma are all
highly monitored and heavily controlled. During my recent trip to Burma,
I was part of a team that worked on a report about the communications
systems in county. Please feel free to pass it on to people:

  http://www.opentechfund.org/article/access-and-openness-myanmar-2012

Satellite phones are extremely privacy invasive (interception, location
tracking, etc) and short of the Cryptophone Satellite phone (
http://www.cryptophone.de/en/products/satellite/ ) used in a very
specific way, I wouldn't even touch one of those devices if I thought
that the Burmese military was possibly targeting me.

All the best,
Jacob

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[liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

2013-03-17 Thread ttscanada 

Hi all,

For those that aren't aware, 800,000 Rohingya people in Burma are being 
cut off from communication as the military and government try to drive 
them out of the country. Over 100,000 are being starved to death in 
concentration camps, the rest are driven into boats which neighbouring 
countries are refusing to allow to land. There have been two large scale 
massacres as well, one in June, one in October. Our contacts have been 
saying for weeks there is another massacre planned for the end of March, 
but even if there weren't, they are living in houses made of straw and 
plastic bags with no food or medical aid and the rains are coming. This 
is a full scale genocide supported by the current Burma/Myanmar 
government. Media and aid groups are blocked and the people are jailed 
just for having a TV, they have no phones.


More information, check out over 100 pages of links here 
http://topsy.com/s/georgiebc+Rohingya?window=a the #Rohingya tag on 
Twitter or google.


We have a way to hopefully get some journalists in to document war 
crimes. We need satellite phones for the Rohingya people as well, as 
many as possible, donated would be great. If anyone has any ideas for a 
good phone source it would be appreciated.


All the best,

Heather Marsh

@GeorgieBC on Twitter
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Re: [liberationtech] Research on the Global Square Project?

2013-02-27 Thread ttscanada 


Hi Yosem,

You can give her this email if you like. At the moment the Global Square 
and Tribler p2p microblogging / video streaming projects are 
indistinguishable, at least until we get the base functionality.


All the best,

Heather Marsh


On 13-02-27 12:05 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:
From: *Jessica F. Lingel* >


Hi,
I'm trying to help a fellow activist locate material related to the 
Global Square project, which is a social media platform for 
coordinating activist efforts.  I wanted to reach out and see if 
anyone had information about the status of the project or research 
that came out of it.


Thanks,
Jessa

Jessa Lingel
PhD Candidate
School of Communication and Information
Rutgers University
http://jessalingel.tumblr.com/


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Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: Presenting the new Lorea distribution: Foxglove

2012-11-07 Thread ttscanada 
Lorea came out of the M15 movement, to fill a need for communication 
during the first demonstrations in Spain in May 2011 and to link 
assembleas around the world. It was a patched together solution that 
went within days to tens of thousands of users (perhaps higher, numbers 
would require a look up I don't have time for, sorry, hopefully someone 
who works on it can give you an accurate background). It has been used 
extensively in Spain and other parts of Europe and elsewhere for 
networking, by the Indignados, Take the Square, some Occupy, etc. For 
those who are not aware, the organization of the squares in Spain has 
been an inspiration around the world and their methods and tools are 
widely copied.


The number of users and the limitations of the technology are why most 
of us are aware of it; it is a need to be filled. The lorea developers 
are a team of volunteers who have done amazing work in assessing needs 
and coming up with the solutions they are able, given the limitations of 
time, expertise, etc. Some of us have been working on more ambitious 
solutions for the future, the Global Square with Tribler to create a p2p 
(currently android and PC) livestreaming and microblogging network that 
meets the needs of this population, Secushare working with GnuNet, and 
lorea themselves have implemented many new solutions which as Ale 
mentioned are helping a lot.


I can only think maybe they are more known in Spanish speaking countries ...

(I am having trouble changing my display name on this list, for 
transparency this is Heather Marsh, @GeorgieBC)


All the best,

Heather


On 12-11-07 2:45 PM, Eva Galperin wrote:

"Anyone familiar with who needs liberation and what technology they
require, is of course aware of lorea."

This statement is baffling and demonstrably untrue. This is certainly
the first I've ever heard of Lorea and I have not, to my knowledge, met
a single person who uses it.

When I go to read the website in order to get some idea of what this
tool/service might be and I read things like "...our nurtured army of
fairies will work hard on the experiments, assess the views of
inhabitants and will conjure spells that are necessary to make our
flowers grow increasingly connected and beautiful," I do not get any
clearer idea of what Lorea is, what it does, or who uses it.

If this list is missing out on some important new
security/privacy/social media tool that is being widely used for
organizing, that sounds like something people here might want to know about.



Eva Galperin
International Freedom of Expression Coordinator
Electronic Frontier Foundation
e...@eff.org
(415) 436-9333 ex. 111


On 11/7/12 2:25 PM, ttscanada wrote:

Anyone familiar with who needs liberation and what technology they
require, is of course aware of lorea, and that includes everyone I know
on this list. The new release looks great guys, thanks for all your
effort. :-)

All the best,

Heather


On 12-11-07 11:46 AM, ale fernandez wrote:

Hi

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:13:04 -0500
Nadim Kobeissi  wrote:


Either I'm a total idiot or this is the most pretentious website on the
Internet



There may be more options than the two you see at the moment.. :)

I'm certainly using it like mad since it came out, both bug finding as
well as actually filling in assemblies - I'm in an assembly run
cooperative and using lorea is really important as a shared place to
work, and I think in general it complements the in-person aspect of
assemblies really well.

All our groups get to share info and now with the new version we can
do a lot more sharing and organising of tasks and assembly outcomes..
Having the assembly module also gives us the ability to organise our
thoughts into objectives proposals and decisions, and make sure things
get picked up and hopefully resolved...

And if it's the language that got you, maybe it could do with a catchy
jingle like "the facebook for people to actually do stuff with".

The "nodal representation" isn't about the people using the network,
but the various physical nodes where people might get internet or
access to a mesh network, which then has a social networking service
(or whatever other services) being served from it so you can access it
even if the internet goes down but the mesh network stays up.

But please go to n-1.cc and check it out!

Ale


NK


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alex Comninos
wrote:


Lolwut?
On Nov 6, 2012 6:32 PM, "Anne Roth"  wrote:


   News about Lorea https://lorea.org/

("Lorea is a project to create secure social cybernetic systems, in
which a network of humans will become simultaneously represented on a
virtual shared world.

Its aim is to create a distributed and federated nodal organization of
entities with no geophysical territory, interlacing their multiple
relation

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: Presenting the new Lorea distribution: Foxglove

2012-11-07 Thread ttscanada 


Anyone familiar with who needs liberation and what technology they 
require, is of course aware of lorea, and that includes everyone I know 
on this list. The new release looks great guys, thanks for all your 
effort. :-)


All the best,

Heather


On 12-11-07 11:46 AM, ale fernandez wrote:

Hi

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:13:04 -0500
Nadim Kobeissi  wrote:


Either I'm a total idiot or this is the most pretentious website on the
Internet



There may be more options than the two you see at the moment.. :)

I'm certainly using it like mad since it came out, both bug finding as well as 
actually filling in assemblies - I'm in an assembly run cooperative and using 
lorea is really important as a shared place to work, and I think in general it 
complements the in-person aspect of assemblies really well.

All our groups get to share info and now with the new version we can do a lot 
more sharing and organising of tasks and assembly outcomes.. Having the 
assembly module also gives us the ability to organise our thoughts into 
objectives proposals and decisions, and make sure things get picked up and 
hopefully resolved...

And if it's the language that got you, maybe it could do with a catchy jingle like 
"the facebook for people to actually do stuff with".

The "nodal representation" isn't about the people using the network, but the 
various physical nodes where people might get internet or access to a mesh network, which 
then has a social networking service (or whatever other services) being served from it so 
you can access it even if the internet goes down but the mesh network stays up.

But please go to n-1.cc and check it out!

Ale


NK


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alex Comninos wrote:


Lolwut?
On Nov 6, 2012 6:32 PM, "Anne Roth"  wrote:


  News about Lorea https://lorea.org/

("Lorea is a project to create secure social cybernetic systems, in
which a network of humans will become simultaneously represented on a
virtual shared world.

Its aim is to create a distributed and federated nodal organization of
entities with no geophysical territory, interlacing their multiple
relationships through binary codes and languages.")


 Original-Nachricht 
Betreff: Presenting the new Lorea distribution: Foxglove
Datum:  Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:12:17 +0100
Von:spideralex 


*The new distribution of Lorea is called Foxglove: Social networks of
the people and for the people!*

As part of the ACT! 2012 , Lorea
social networks have migrated to a new version called Foxglove based on
the version 1.8 of Elgg free software . This new
distribution has several improvements regarding the design, usability
and stability of the networks and offer also new tools (the full list
can be viewed here
).

Among them there is a new module that allows you to design assemblies
agendas collectively, keeping minutes and highlighting decisions and
previous consensus. It also enables decision making either by majority
or by consensus, with the option of blocking decisions and modifying
proposals for decision. This wide variety of options is intended to suit
the various decision making processes of groups engaged with
assamblearism, thus preventing the software of imposing its criteria
above collective practices. Other new options are customizing the
working environment, search box for groups contents, new images
galleries, improvements of the Etherpads (collaborative writing in real
time) and the integration between fora and mailing lists (persons not
registered inside the networks will be now able to subscribe to groups
mailing list).

During the course of this November, Lorea's fairies will work into
refining the migration and complementing the documentation such as the
manuals in order to help people become familiar with the new version. It
should also be kept in mind that Lorea are self-organized networks where
all its inhabitants can engage with their development and gardening.

Lorea calls for collaboration in this joint project, first by being
patient with the potential errors that might occur occasionally during
the migration process, secondly, by testing the tool, reporting
shortcomings and making suggestions to keep improving (bugs can be
reported here ) and in
third place by making diffusion of this new version (either by
publishing this news and/or giving talks and workshops). Donations are
also logically welcomed .

*About Lorea*

Lorea means "flower" in Euskera and uses the metaphor of seeds to refer
to each ones of its networks' planted in an experimental field federated
".

The project stems from an informal group of people concerned about
security and privacy on the social web, providing from the field of free
software and technological activism. It was launched during the 2009
Hackmeeting

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada 


On 12-10-09 1:53 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

Heather Marsh:
Yes, you are outlining two cases where you are communicating with people
you know as a person known to them. I am suggesting we (as in large
scale movements around the world) need to look more closely at data
driven (as opposed to personality driven) models ... ie if/when Tribler
gets onion routing working and an anonymous entity can drop data to a
hashtag (instead of a person), this is to me a more secure communication
model than one which relies on relationships between individuals, ie f2f
or other. Then we have to deal with voice amplification and astroturfing
issues, but it is the path I would rather proceed down than the trust
networks being advocated by for instance, OWS which are fairly obviously
problematic.
Well, sorta. I have quite a few jabber accounts and sometimes, one per
contact when I don't know them or when I do not want to be contacted at
all times. :)

With that said - I think GNUNet already does what you want re: hashtags
of data, doesn't it? I mean, you literally search for a SHA1
cryptographic hash - I guess GNUNet could call it a hashtag just for
hilarity...

It would be between gnunet and tribler, but tribler is in the lead for 
both scaleability, with 1.2 million downloads, and close to 
livestreaming on android etc., and features in their protocols which 
allow some really interesting applications for mass collaboration 
channels. Plus they are ahead working on p2p knowledge repositories 
which is the only way I can think of to combat unverified astroturfing 
in a system besides trust networks. We need something that can scale to 
handle protests in Madrid or Beijing with something close to real time 
messaging and streaming. This being the current alternative (jk). 
http://occupywallst.org/media-survey/


All the best,

Heather Marsh


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Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada 


Case in point: I received an invitation under the names of five separate 
organizations I am affiliated with (none of which are OWS related) to 
fill this out. It originally said real name required, was changed to 
alias after I objected publicly, but the rest still stands.


http://occupywallst.org/media-survey/

All the crypto and Tor in the world isn't going to help with this.

All the best,

Heather



On 12-10-09 1:26 PM, ttscanada wrote:

On 12-10-09 10:41 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

ttscanada:

On 12-10-09 4:23 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote:

Sending a PGP encrypted e-mail to you mom, should be as easy as
sending an un-encrypted e-mail to your mom. But the education of
why you should be sending an e-mail encrypted should also be given.
Granted, a valid threat-model should be explained, as a given.

Thank you. I understand that this is a *crypto* party discussion -
but I really hope the end result of this manual focuses on use cases
and threat modeling as well as the technology.

I agree entirely. We need to look at the real uses. We should stop
degrading the hypothetical mom though, the question is about literacy
and to suggest that women are less literate is pretty offensive.
Obviously, it wasn't intended in that way but boy, I've certainly had
someone read me the riot act for saying that exact example.


+1


Some ideas of security rely far more on technical contortions than
real life assessment, the equivalent of entering a crowd wearing a
flame retardant SWAT suit instead of just taking an alley. Secure
anonymity is frequently the dead opposite of security based on trust
networks such as pgp signed emails which depend on a real life
identity being known and completely remove deniability or ease of
frequently switching identities.

I think this is rather bogus. Anonymity, in terms of traffic analysis
resistance, as far as the local network is concerned is not in conflict
with identified services.


Hmm. I was not clear. My point was that I would like to see the 
benefits of anonymity pointed out (as opposed to simply privacy) more 
often than it is. Of course traffic analysis is a major threat to 
anonymity, my concern is in encouraging people to think that they are 
somehow safe simply because the content of their emails is encrypted. 
We all know that people all over the world are suffering the 
consequences of simply pulling attention or association, no proof of 
content required. Trust networks are the antithesis of the type of 
anonymity required to combat pulling attention.



I regularly sign or encrypt email with GPG that is sent with Thunderbird
(with TorBirdy) via Gmail over Tor. I do this because location anonymity
is important to me and without Tor's anonymity, gmail would know every
location and so too would my location be revealed by the headers in my
email. Additionally, I think this makes it harder to target a specific
MITM flaw in my email client - there were years where you could
downgrade the STARTTLS in some email clients. While a Tor exit node
might be able to do that if the flaw exists, the Tor exit node doesn't
know that I'm me automatically, so selective targeting becomes
significantly harder. Not impossible, of course.

Juts today - I was on a network that blocked chat services and what we
found was that most people didn't notice because their chat was running
over Tor with TLS, a few were going to Tor Hidden Services - only those
that felt they didn't "need anonymity" were impacted. Oh the irony of
thinking of the issue of anonymity as only personal privacy, rather than
the larger issue of traffic analysis, surveillance, filtering and
censorship.


Yes, you are outlining two cases where you are communicating with 
people you know as a person known to them. I am suggesting we (as in 
large scale movements around the world) need to look more closely at 
data driven (as opposed to personality driven) models ... ie if/when 
Tribler gets onion routing working and an anonymous entity can drop 
data to a hashtag (instead of a person), this is to me a more secure 
communication model than one which relies on relationships between 
individuals, ie f2f or other. Then we have to deal with voice 
amplification and astroturfing issues, but it is the path I would 
rather proceed down than the trust networks being advocated by for 
instance, OWS which are fairly obviously problematic.


Of course this only applies to some specific instances such as large 
scale organizing; as I said, let's look at what is best in each case.

Let's not lose track of the end goal, which is security not just
security tools.


The end goal for me is about social justice and law alone has not and
will not produce social justice in isolation. We also need various
innovations working in concert with policies. We won't have security
without code to back it up - that is what we're seeing all over the
world with the massive expansion of

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada 

On 12-10-09 10:41 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

ttscanada:

On 12-10-09 4:23 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote:

Sending a PGP encrypted e-mail to you mom, should be as easy as
sending an un-encrypted e-mail to your mom. But the education of
why you should be sending an e-mail encrypted should also be given.
Granted, a valid threat-model should be explained, as a given.

Thank you. I understand that this is a *crypto* party discussion -
but I really hope the end result of this manual focuses on use cases
and threat modeling as well as the technology.

I agree entirely. We need to look at the real uses. We should stop
degrading the hypothetical mom though, the question is about literacy
and to suggest that women are less literate is pretty offensive.
Obviously, it wasn't intended in that way but boy, I've certainly had
someone read me the riot act for saying that exact example.


+1


Some ideas of security rely far more on technical contortions than
real life assessment, the equivalent of entering a crowd wearing a
flame retardant SWAT suit instead of just taking an alley. Secure
anonymity is frequently the dead opposite of security based on trust
networks such as pgp signed emails which depend on a real life
identity being known and completely remove deniability or ease of
frequently switching identities.


I think this is rather bogus. Anonymity, in terms of traffic analysis
resistance, as far as the local network is concerned is not in conflict
with identified services.


Hmm. I was not clear. My point was that I would like to see the benefits 
of anonymity pointed out (as opposed to simply privacy) more often than 
it is. Of course traffic analysis is a major threat to anonymity, my 
concern is in encouraging people to think that they are somehow safe 
simply because the content of their emails is encrypted. We all know 
that people all over the world are suffering the consequences of simply 
pulling attention or association, no proof of content required. Trust 
networks are the antithesis of the type of anonymity required to combat 
pulling attention.




I regularly sign or encrypt email with GPG that is sent with Thunderbird
(with TorBirdy) via Gmail over Tor. I do this because location anonymity
is important to me and without Tor's anonymity, gmail would know every
location and so too would my location be revealed by the headers in my
email. Additionally, I think this makes it harder to target a specific
MITM flaw in my email client - there were years where you could
downgrade the STARTTLS in some email clients. While a Tor exit node
might be able to do that if the flaw exists, the Tor exit node doesn't
know that I'm me automatically, so selective targeting becomes
significantly harder. Not impossible, of course.

Juts today - I was on a network that blocked chat services and what we
found was that most people didn't notice because their chat was running
over Tor with TLS, a few were going to Tor Hidden Services - only those
that felt they didn't "need anonymity" were impacted. Oh the irony of
thinking of the issue of anonymity as only personal privacy, rather than
the larger issue of traffic analysis, surveillance, filtering and
censorship.


Yes, you are outlining two cases where you are communicating with people 
you know as a person known to them. I am suggesting we (as in large 
scale movements around the world) need to look more closely at data 
driven (as opposed to personality driven) models ... ie if/when Tribler 
gets onion routing working and an anonymous entity can drop data to a 
hashtag (instead of a person), this is to me a more secure communication 
model than one which relies on relationships between individuals, ie f2f 
or other. Then we have to deal with voice amplification and astroturfing 
issues, but it is the path I would rather proceed down than the trust 
networks being advocated by for instance, OWS which are fairly obviously 
problematic.


Of course this only applies to some specific instances such as large 
scale organizing; as I said, let's look at what is best in each case.

Let's not lose track of the end goal, which is security not just
security tools.


The end goal for me is about social justice and law alone has not and
will not produce social justice in isolation. We also need various
innovations working in concert with policies. We won't have security
without code to back it up - that is what we're seeing all over the
world with the massive expansion of surveillance and censorship. The
people, corporations, and governments running national firewalls were
supposedly doing it for benevolent reasons. As expected from historical
context, they're expanding their power and their impact, to benefit of
powerful stake holders, to keep their position and influence well secured.


Agreed, overcoming the guardian coupd'état is the real end goal. 
http://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/individual

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada 

On 12-10-09 4:23 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote:
Sending a PGP encrypted e-mail to you mom, should be as easy as 
sending an un-encrypted e-mail to your mom. But the education of why 
you should be sending an e-mail encrypted should also be given. 
Granted, a valid threat-model should be explained, as a given.


Thank you. I understand that this is a *crypto* party discussion - but I 
really hope the end result of this manual focuses on use cases and 
threat modeling as well as the technology. Some ideas of security rely 
far more on technical contortions than real life assessment, the 
equivalent of entering a crowd wearing a flame retardant SWAT suit 
instead of just taking an alley. Secure anonymity is frequently the dead 
opposite of security based on trust networks such as pgp signed emails 
which depend on a real life identity being known and completely remove 
deniability or ease of frequently switching identities.


Let's not lose track of the end goal, which is security not just 
security tools.


All the best,

Heather
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