Re: [liberationtech] 31.170.160.0/22 filtered on ATT? (was Re: Website censorship in the US)

2013-12-19 Thread Brian Conley
snip

Brian said in another post that he thought IP blockage sounds fair and
 asked for response. Well, I've been through IP blocks and they are
 pure, unmitigated hell -- all kinds of people losing their website
 visibility and ability to communicate by email because one site was
 taken over by some moron doing spamming. Restoring the IP is a process
 because you have to do a bunch of things including detect which of the
 sites on the server was violating. Try doing that with the server shut
 off the Internet! I mean...how is the world is *that* fair? I can't
 see any legitimate reason for an IP block in a democratic society and,
 trust me, they occur all the time.

 Not everyone on this list knows about this stuff and I think we should
 be able to talk about it. No?


/snip

Alfredo, just to clarify, I did not meant to imply filtering/blocking was
fair, where that implies justified or right.  I only meant that it
seemed understandable why ATT would engage in this behavior, not that we
shouldn't actively organize and agitate against it. I also believe we need
a high amount of clarity around the specifics of any filtering event to
best assess how to proceed. You can see via my @BaghdadBrian account on
Twitter that I've taken some steps to try and understand why it's been
filtered, unfortunately they didn't get very far.

Regards

Brian


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Re: [liberationtech] 31.170.160.0/22 filtered on ATT? (was Re: Website censorship in the US)

2013-12-18 Thread Alfredo Lopez
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On 12/18/2013 05:11 PM, Andy Isaacson wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 03:42:33PM -0500, Alfredo Lopez wrote:
 On 12/18/2013 03:24 PM, Andy Isaacson wrote:
 CCing NANOG, since this might be of interest there.  Please
 keep the discussion focused on technical routing issues rather
 than politics or conspiracy theories.
 
 
 I don't understand this, Andy. Isn't politics the purpose of
 this list? Otherwise, it just becomes another tech list. Or am I
 missing something?
 
 This particular sub-thread is about the technical aspects of this
 block. Such technical aspects are relevant both to liberationtech
 and to NANOG.
 
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Oh!!! My apologies! Now I understand it: you copied Nanog in what is a
sub-thread of the major one. So you were suggesting now that Nanog's
in the mix on this sub-thread, we should probably keep this
technical. I get it now. Duhh!! Good point (I guess I'm saying that a
bit late, huh?)

Thanks for clarifying.

Abrazos,

Alfredo


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