[liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Is there something like this in the US?

http://www.piratenpartei.de/

It is sorely needed,  IMNSHO
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[andreas . bader]

I am a Member of the "Piraten" in Germany.
Let me answer with a question. Do you really think a party like that has a 
chance in the USA?
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Scott Elcomb]

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
 wrote:
> Is there something like this in the US?
>
> http://www.piratenpartei.de/
>
> It is sorely needed,  IMNSHO

There is - we're in plenty of countries now


For more specific information, feel free to contact me offlist (or on
Twitter) and I'll be happy to help you connect to a local group.

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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Considering that the Internet has at "de-facto saturation point" in
the US, @80%+- penetration according to the "Internet statistics
body"or something like that, and that there is a de-facto CARTEL in
access, with really scary stuff happening at the Congress level
regarding access, censorship, and control, I would say YES!

In the US politics are either **very local** or **national**. The
**very local** aspect is really underdeveloped, and that is where
regular people live: the loci of predatory Telcos, BIG-EYE government,
and BIG-DATA marketing conglomerates, both representing an interesting
mixture of "Discipline Societies" and "Control Societies", as depicted
in Gilles Deleuze's "Post-scriptum sur les sociétés de contrôle"

I take the opportunity to put in a very interesting link about the latter..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIus7lm_ZK0

Courtesy of "Liquid Theory TV":
[
Liquid Theory TV is a collaboration between Clare Birchall, Gary Hall
and Peter Woodbridge designed to develop a series of IPTV programmes.
(IPTV, in its broadest sense, stands for all those technologies which
use computer networks to deliver audio-visual programming.) The idea
behind the Liquid Theory TV project is to experiment with IPTVs
potential for providing new ways of communicating intellectual ideas,
easily and cheaply, both inside and outside of the university. We want
to do so not so much in an effort to have an impact outside of the
academy, be it economic, social or cultural; nor to connect with an
increasingly media-literate audience that books supposedly cannot, or
can no longer, reach. Rather we want to experiment with IPTV in order
to explore the potential for different effectivities that different
forms of communication have - to the extent of perhaps even leading us
to conceive of what we do as academics, writers, artists, media
theorists and philosophers differently (see Wise, 2006: 241).

The second episode in the series takes as its focus Gilles Deleuzes
short essay Postscript on the Societies of Control. While this episode
is being made available for the first time in an issue of Culture
Machine which has the theme of creative media; and while Liquid Theory
TV could be described as a creative project, to the extent it is
concerned with producing alternative, rival, or counter-desires to
those currently dominant within much of society (at its simplest, a
desire for philosophy or more broadly theory, rather than for the
creations of Richard Branson, Simon Cowell or Rupert Murdoch, say),
this does not mean that either the series, or this particular episode,
should be regarded simply as an attempt to perform Deleuzes
philosophy. The critical and interpretive aspects of scholarly work
remain important to us here, even if they are being undertaken in a
medium very different to the traditional academic journal article or
book.

Further episodes can be found
athttp://liquidbooks.pbworks.com/New-Cu... or
athttp://www.petewoodbridge.info/
]

""
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes

+1 (817) 271-9619


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM,   wrote:
> I am a Member of the "Piraten" in Germany.
> Let me answer with a question. Do you really think a party like that has a 
> chance in the USA?
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Scott Elcomb]

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
 wrote:
> Is there something like this in the US?
>
> http://www.piratenpartei.de/

It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I
should've before posting my earlier response.

Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here:


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  http://www.pirateparty.ca/
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in
Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional
delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle!
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes

+1 (817) 271-9619


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb  wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>  wrote:
>> Is there something like this in the US?
>>
>> http://www.piratenpartei.de/
>
> It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I
> should've before posting my earlier response.
>
> Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here:
> 
>
> Best
> --
>   Scott Elcomb
>   @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more
>
>   Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems
>   http://code.google.com/p/atomos/
>
>   Member of the Pirate Party of Canada
>   http://www.pirateparty.ca/
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Correction: 34 people now! :D XD LMFAO
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes

+1 (817) 271-9619


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
 wrote:
> OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in
> Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional
> delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle!
> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
> 
> +1 (817) 271-9619
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb  wrote:
>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>  wrote:
>>> Is there something like this in the US?
>>>
>>> http://www.piratenpartei.de/
>>
>> It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I
>> should've before posting my earlier response.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here:
>> 
>>
>> Best
>> --
>>   Scott Elcomb
>>   @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more
>>
>>   Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems
>>   http://code.google.com/p/atomos/
>>
>>   Member of the Pirate Party of Canada
>>   http://www.pirateparty.ca/
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

This whole list, and many others, and we even have at least a martyr
in Aaron Swartz, are for the tenets of the Swedish Pirate Party. So!
What do we do? Sit on our BUTS, and not do something else in the
political arena? Are we "bipolar" (either Republican or Democrat), or
"multipolar", as in "diversity"?

That's the question :D


Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes

+1 (817) 271-9619


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
 wrote:
> Correction: 34 people now! :D XD LMFAO
> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
> 
> +1 (817) 271-9619
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>  wrote:
>> OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in
>> Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional
>> delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle!
>> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>>
>> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
>> 
>> +1 (817) 271-9619
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb  wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>>  wrote:
 Is there something like this in the US?

 http://www.piratenpartei.de/
>>>
>>> It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I
>>> should've before posting my earlier response.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here:
>>> 
>>>
>>> Best
>>> --
>>>   Scott Elcomb
>>>   @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more
>>>
>>>   Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems
>>>   http://code.google.com/p/atomos/
>>>
>>>   Member of the Pirate Party of Canada
>>>   http://www.pirateparty.ca/
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Eugen Leitl]

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:18:09PM +, andreas.ba...@nachtpult.de wrote:

> I am a Member of the "Piraten" in Germany.
> Let me answer with a question. Do you really think a party like that has a 
> chance in the USA?

Failure is default if you never try.
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Richard Brooks]

We are unipolar:

"We have the best government that money can buy."

Mark Twain



On 05/16/2013 10:33 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
> This whole list, and many others, and we even have at least a martyr
> in Aaron Swartz, are for the tenets of the Swedish Pirate Party. So!
> What do we do? Sit on our BUTS, and not do something else in the
> political arena? Are we "bipolar" (either Republican or Democrat), or
> "multipolar", as in "diversity"?
> 
> That's the question :D
> 
> 
> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
> 
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
> 
> +1 (817) 271-9619
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>  wrote:
>> Correction: 34 people now! :D XD LMFAO
>> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>>
>> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
>> 
>> +1 (817) 271-9619
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>  wrote:
>>> OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in
>>> Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional
>>> delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle!
>>> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>>>
>>> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>> 
>>> +1 (817) 271-9619
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb  wrote:
 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
  wrote:
> Is there something like this in the US?
>
> http://www.piratenpartei.de/

 It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I
 should've before posting my earlier response.

 Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here:
 

 Best
 --
   Scott Elcomb
   @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more

   Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems
   http://code.google.com/p/atomos/

   Member of the Pirate Party of Canada
   http://www.pirateparty.ca/
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[fiorella de cindio]

A  Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in
spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to
support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party . 

In Italy  LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online deliberation
by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside
Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement).
We have used it  in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in
occasion  of the recent elections in the Lombardy region
(http://lf.proposte.ambrosolilombardia2013.it/lqfb.php: it is in Italian,
but at least for the menu you can select the English).

The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present 
them in the ePart2013 conference http://www.epart-conference.org/.
A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the
software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office
of the Italian Senate, that published last week a  report on "civic media"
 in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned  as one of the relevant software
platforms.

-- fiorella 

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University of Milan
Computer Science Department
via Comelico 39/41
I20135 MILANO (Italy)
tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab)
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a...@acm.org writes:
>Is there something like this in the US?
>
>[ http://www.piratenpartei.de/ ]http://www.piratenpartei.de/
>
>It is sorely needed,

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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

fiorella,
Thanks for the links to the events; I'd not been aware of them. I probably 
won't be able to participate in the conferences--geography not being as pliable 
as electrons are transmissible--but I'd be interested to read your paper.

The question here was first asked about the inconceivability of the US having a 
pirate party. I had answered but didn't post; too long. But... I'm not a 
political scientist by training, but it occurs to me that in this case as in 
others, the US needs to be understood in terms of its vast size and economic 
depth. Change comes hard.

That said, the US does have a history of counter-parties, i.e., more or less 
ephemeral political parties constituted by dissatisfaction with economic and 
social values and belief in preserving the community under pressure. 

More can be written on this; it's a paper for an academic journal, I seem to 
have begun.
-louis




On 2013-05-18, at 07:19 , "fiorella de cindio"  
wrote:

> A  Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in
> spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to
> support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party . 
> 
> In Italy  LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online deliberation
> by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside
> Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement).
> We have used it  in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in
> occasion  of the recent elections in the Lombardy region
> (http://lf.proposte.ambrosolilombardia2013.it/lqfb.php: it is in Italian,
> but at least for the menu you can select the English).
> 
> The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present 
> them in the ePart2013 conference http://www.epart-conference.org/.
> A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the
> software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office
> of the Italian Senate, that published last week a  report on "civic media"
> in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned  as one of the relevant software
> platforms.
> 
> -- fiorella 
> 
> Fiorella De Cindio
> University of Milan
> Computer Science Department
> via Comelico 39/41
> I20135 MILANO (Italy)
> tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab)
> email: fiorella.decin...@unimi.it
> http://eng.di.unimi.it/ecm/home/research/milan-laboratories/civic-informatics-laboratory
> 
> 
> 
> a...@acm.org writes:
>> Is there something like this in the US?
>> 
>> [ http://www.piratenpartei.de/ ]http://www.piratenpartei.de/
>> 
>> It is sorely needed,
> 
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Well, "I don't think so" :-) let's not call it a "Party", then..

1. According to "Internet census data", Internet adoption in the US is at
"saturation point". Hence, conditions are ripe for the emergence of a
socio-political "mesh network" that expresses and amplifies the voice and
concerns of citizens nationwide about local, national, and international
issues. This is what's happening now (with little coordination, ans hence,
less effectively) with the proliferation of petitions, Facebook pages, etc.
One might argue that "il faut " change the "protocol" (how about
socio-political BATMAN - better approach to ad Chocolates mesh networking;-)

2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes "overflow" can easily
generate candidates for elected office - school board, city council, state
legislature, us congress. Out of the continuous activity of the "mesh"
leaders would emerge naturally, much as for example a benedictine nun in
Catalunya is now an international advocate for the "indignados",
independence of Barça's motherland (¡muera el traidor tránsfuga Guardiola!
:-), and other important human rights and social justice causes.

An interesting experiment in this "meshing" maybe Brazil's "Rede de
Sustentabilidade" led by Marina Silva - nobody can say Brazil doesn't have
"vast size and economic depth"..

Just food for thought..
On May 18, 2013 4:27 AM, "Louis Suárez-Potts"  wrote:

> fiorella,
> Thanks for the links to the events; I'd not been aware of them. I probably
> won't be able to participate in the conferences--geography not being as
> pliable as electrons are transmissible--but I'd be interested to read your
> paper.
>
> The question here was first asked about the inconceivability of the US
> having a pirate party. I had answered but didn't post; too long. But... I'm
> not a political scientist by training, but it occurs to me that in this
> case as in others, the US needs to be understood in terms of its vast size
> and economic depth. Change comes hard.
>
> That said, the US does have a history of counter-parties, i.e., more or
> less ephemeral political parties constituted by dissatisfaction with
> economic and social values and belief in preserving the community under
> pressure.
>
> More can be written on this; it's a paper for an academic journal, I seem
> to have begun.
> -louis
>
>
>
>
> On 2013-05-18, at 07:19 , "fiorella de cindio" 
> wrote:
>
> > A  Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in
> > spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to
> > support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party .
> >
> > In Italy  LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online
> deliberation
> > by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside
> > Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement).
> > We have used it  in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in
> > occasion  of the recent elections in the Lombardy region
> > (http://lf.proposte.ambrosolilombardia2013.it/lqfb.php: it is in
> Italian,
> > but at least for the menu you can select the English).
> >
> > The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present
> > them in the ePart2013 conference http://www.epart-conference.org/.
> > A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the
> > software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office
> > of the Italian Senate, that published last week a  report on "civic
> media"
> > in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned  as one of the relevant software
> > platforms.
> >
> > -- fiorella
> >
> > Fiorella De Cindio
> > University of Milan
> > Computer Science Department
> > via Comelico 39/41
> > I20135 MILANO (Italy)
> > tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab)
> > email: fiorella.decin...@unimi.it
> >
> http://eng.di.unimi.it/ecm/home/research/milan-laboratories/civic-informatics-laboratory
> >
> >
> >
> > a...@acm.org writes:
> >> Is there something like this in the US?
> >>
> >> [ http://www.piratenpartei.de/ ]http://www.piratenpartei.de/
> >>
> >> It is sorely needed,
> >
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[André Rebentisch]

Am 18.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
>
> 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes "overflow" can
> easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city
> council, state legislature, us congress.
>
What would be the actual difference, and I do not mean the process.

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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Nicholas Merrill]

It isn't that well known yet but there is a pirate party in New York state: 
http://nypirateparty.org/

-Nick






On May 19, 2013, at 5:03 PM, "André Rebentisch"  wrote:

> Am 18.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
>> 
>> 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes "overflow" can
>> easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city
>> council, state legislature, us congress.
> What would be the actual difference, and I do not mean the process.
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Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Thanks, Nicholas!

That's the platform I was talking about! ;-)
On May 19, 2013 9:59 PM, "Nicholas Merrill"  wrote:

> It isn't that well known yet but there is a pirate party in New York
> state:  http://nypirateparty.org/
>
> -Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2013, at 5:03 PM, "André Rebentisch"  wrote:
>
> Am 18.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
>
>
> 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes "overflow" can
>
> easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city
>
> council, state legislature, us congress.
>
>
> What would be the actual difference, and I do not mean the process.
>
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