Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Griffin Boyce]

Jerzy Łogiewa  wrote:

> And you know Windows 3.1/NT/2000/XP is used in military for many year!
>

  After my OHM forensics talk was announced, the CIA (or someone using
their IP range) visited my tumblr.  They were using XP.  This will never
not be funny to me. :D

~Griffin

[1] http://i.imgur.com/f04gCvP.png
[2] My tumblr, like all tumblrs, is a mix of comics, cat pictures, and
landscapes with melodramatic captions.

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Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Jerzy Łogiewa]

And you know Windows 3.1/NT/2000/XP is used in military for many year!

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On Jun 8, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

>   It's kind of ironic that so many apps refer to themselves as 
> "military-grade," when the intelligentsia on this list has better security 
> than military intelligence.  To be "military-grade" at this stage is to take 
> a step backward.
> 

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Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Collin Anderson]

Can we just not? Wickr's PR is pretty adept at taking advantage of
opportunities and Libtech bites every time. http://i.imgur.com/a5KVZzG.png


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:

> It's not open-source, therefore it not only *can* be discarded without
> any further discussion, it MUST be.
>
> ---rsk
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Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Rich Kulawiec]

It's not open-source, therefore it not only *can* be discarded without
any further discussion, it MUST be.

---rsk

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Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Griffin Boyce]

Nadim Kobeissi  wrote:

> we're supposed to discuss proprietary software not only as secure, but as
> "military-grade" and "government-proof".


  It's kind of ironic that so many apps refer to themselves as
"military-grade," when the intelligentsia on this list has better security
than military intelligence.  To be "military-grade" at this stage is to
take a step backward.



foreach secure_app $secure_apps {
> if {$secure_app eq "proprietary"} {continue}
> ...
> }
> -Jonathan


  Zing!  One of the OHM villages this year is called Noisy Square, with the
motto "Revolutions don't happen in Silent Circles."  ;-)

~Griffin
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Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Nadim Kobeissi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWHMb3JxmE

No, really — there's nothing else I can say in a conversation where we're 
supposed to discuss proprietary software not only as secure, but as 
"military-grade" and "government-proof".

NK

On 2013-06-08, at 2:22 PM, Yosem Companys  wrote:

> http://www.siliconbeat.com/2013/06/07/want-to-shield-text-photos-from-government-wickr-says-it-has-an-app-for-that/
> 
> The U.S. government has acknowledged — with President Obama saying this 
> morning in San Jose that it’s all in the name of security — that its agencies 
> are spying on Americans’ phone calls and Internet communications in some 
> fashion. There are tech tools that claim they can get around such 
> surveillance, and one of them is Wickr, an app made by a San Francisco 
> startup.
> 
> Wickr is similar to Snapchat, the popular app that allows users to destroy 
> messages and photos sent on mobile phones after a certain time. But the 
> 1-year-old company’s app is “military grade,” founder Nico Sell said in a 
> phone interview this morning.
> 
> Sell says Wickr users can “send text messages, videos, documents that 
> self-destruct — all encrypted, and it exceeds NSA top-level encryption on the 
> device before it goes out on network with a key that only you have.”
> 
> “Very few people in the world can do what we’ve done,” Sell said. She says 
> she has advocated for the annual Defcon hacking conference for more than a 
> decade. The company’s other founders include a team of privacy and security 
> experts, according to a spokeswoman.
> 
> If the government comes knocking with a subpoena, Wickr could turn over its 
> database, but the information would be “useless,” Sell said, because the 
> company doesn’t collect personal information about its users. It claims to 
> have no call logs or location data. This also means such information is 
> inaccessible to wireless providers, advertisers and other companies that 
> usually collect it.
> 
> Sell touts Wickr as an alternative to messaging offered by Whatsapp and 
> Skype. Skype, the service owned by Microsoft, has long been thought as 
> secure. But experts quoted by CNNMoney and others have warned that no tech 
> tool is immune to tracking, and Skype looks to be no exception. Ars Technica 
> recently reported that Microsoft regularly scans messages. 
> 
> Could Wickr do something similar? “This is a big thing with us. It was a huge 
> requirement that we never collected private information, period,” Sell said.
> 
> The app is free for iOS users only for now. Sell said an Android version, and 
> voice calling, are due out this summer.
> 
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Re: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Jonathan Wilkes]

 >From: Yosem Companys 
>To: Liberation Technologies  
>Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:22 PM
>Subject: [liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr 
>says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat
 


>http://www.siliconbeat.com/2013/06/07/want-to-shield-text-photos-from-government-wickr-says-it-has-an-app-for-that/

foreach secure_app $secure_apps {
    if {$secure_app eq "proprietary"} {continue}
    ...
}


-Jonathan

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[liberationtech] Want to shield text, photos from government? Wickr says it has an app for that | SiliconBeat

[Yosem Companys]

http://www.siliconbeat.com/2013/06/07/want-to-shield-text-photos-from-government-wickr-says-it-has-an-app-for-that/

The U.S. government has acknowledged — with President Obama saying this
morning in San Jose that it’s all in the name of
security
—
that its agencies are spying on Americans’ phone calls and Internet
communications in some fashion. There are tech tools that claim they can
get around such surveillance, and one of them is Wickr, an app made by a
San Francisco startup.

Wickr is similar to
Snapchat,
the popular app that allows users to destroy messages and photos sent on
mobile phones after a certain time. But the 1-year-old company’s app is
“military grade,” founder Nico Sell said in a phone interview this morning.

Sell says Wickr users can “send text messages, videos, documents that
self-destruct — all encrypted, and it exceeds NSA top-level encryption on
the device before it goes out on network with a key that only you have.”

“Very few people in the world can do what we’ve done,” Sell said. She says
she has advocated for the annual Defcon hacking conference for more than a
decade. The company’s other founders include a team of privacy and security
experts, according to a spokeswoman.

If the government comes knocking with a subpoena, Wickr could turn over its
database, but the information would be “useless,” Sell said, because the
company doesn’t collect personal information about its users. It claims to
have no call logs or location data. This also means such information is
inaccessible to wireless providers, advertisers and other companies that
usually collect it.

Sell touts Wickr as an alternative to messaging offered by Whatsapp and
Skype. Skype, the service owned by Microsoft, has long been thought as
secure. But experts quoted by
CNNMoney
and
others have warned that no tech tool is immune to tracking, and Skype looks
to be no exception. Ars
Technica
recently
reported that Microsoft regularly scans messages.

Could Wickr do something similar? “This is a big thing with us. It was a
huge requirement that we never collected private information, period,” Sell
said.

The app is free for iOS users only for now. Sell said an Android version,
and voice calling, are due out this summer.
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