Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost. Though hope alone is not a strategy. I think this may be of interest to people on the list: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links: http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in German: http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf The English original will be released this week. Last week's article is also very important: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html This is also probably of great interest to people on the list: http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/ http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Hello list, Jacob, any insight on how the interview took place from a technical point of view? I suppose preventive measures were taken from all parties in order to avoid leaking Snowden identity as it would have put an end to his grand plan, even more as he was still in Hawaii at the time of the interview. How did you/he managed the risk here specially as Snowden knew about the full scope of the NSA monitoring program and you didn't. The only info I have seen on this is Snowden allegedly created new set of PGP keys[1], but it can't have been enough for him. Also, a quote on the cryptome page[2] says The following questions are excerpted from a larger interview that covered numerous topics, many of which are highly technical in nature. Is the full interview available somewhere? If not why? Just curious, thanks. [1] http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-poitras-appelbaum.htm [2] http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm -moustache -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
As an activist, this is pretty damned frightening: (excerpt from http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm) Question: What happens if the NSA has a user in its sights? Snowden: The target person is completely monitored. An analyst will get a daily report about what has changed in the computer system of the targeted person. There will also be... packages with certain data which the automatic analysis systems have not understood, and so on. The analyst can then decide what he wants to do - the computer of the target person does not belong to them anymore, it then more or less belongs to the U.S. government. This has ominous implications. I worry about the private encryption keys on the computers of people in the sights of the NSA. On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost. Though hope alone is not a strategy. I think this may be of interest to people on the list: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links: http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in German: http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf The English original will be released this week. Last week's article is also very important: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html This is also probably of great interest to people on the list: http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/ http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
Very important information. Thank you Jacob. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Jason Gulledge ram...@ramdac.org wrote: As an activist, this is pretty damned frightening: (excerpt from http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm) *Question:* What happens if the NSA has a user in its sights? *Snowden:* The target person is completely monitored. An analyst will get a daily report about what has changed in the computer system of the targeted person. There will also be... packages with certain data which the automatic analysis systems have not understood, and so on. The analyst can then decide what he wants to do - the computer of the target person does not belong to them anymore, it then more or less belongs to the U.S. government. This has ominous implications. I worry about the private encryption keys on the computers of people in the sights of the NSA. On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost. Though hope alone is not a strategy. I think this may be of interest to people on the list: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links: http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in German: http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf The English original will be released this week. Last week's article is also very important: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html This is also probably of great interest to people on the list: http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/ http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
I've always acted as though everything was transparent to examination, and encryption was something I did as a favor for the other people in my life. So I guess that makes me more tin hat than all of y'all in a way...;) I grew up in a world where people just walked in your house or office and took your stuff and rifled through it at leisure. That's the issue the folks we talked to in Vietnam had -- they said encryption ultimately didn't do them much good, Tor didn't either -- they didn't have physical security. I don't assume much, ultimately. I saw my dad's FBI files. My godfather worked at Beacon Press during Watergate. It's why I'm here... SN On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Jason Gulledge ram...@ramdac.org wrote: As an activist, this is pretty damned frightening: (excerpt from http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm) *Question:* What happens if the NSA has a user in its sights? *Snowden:* The target person is completely monitored. An analyst will get a daily report about what has changed in the computer system of the targeted person. There will also be... packages with certain data which the automatic analysis systems have not understood, and so on. The analyst can then decide what he wants to do - the computer of the target person does not belong to them anymore, it then more or less belongs to the U.S. government. This has ominous implications. I worry about the private encryption keys on the computers of people in the sights of the NSA. On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost. Though hope alone is not a strategy. I think this may be of interest to people on the list: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links: http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in German: http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf The English original will be released this week. Last week's article is also very important: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html This is also probably of great interest to people on the list: http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/ http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
Grim Meathook Future indeed. For everyone reading the English text, keep in mind that it is from Google Translate. But I couldn't be patient either. Thanks for helping to bring these stories to light. I sincerely hope that nothing too terrible happens as a result. There's that old Orwell quote that goes In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. But for me, I think that in a time of universal deceit, everyone becomes a whistleblower by necessity. Everyone must evaluate their existing beliefs, and see if they hold water. Best, Griffin -- Sent from a tracking device. Please excuse typocetera. On Jul 8, 2013 7:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost. Though hope alone is not a strategy. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
On 7/8/2013 9:29 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. FYI. this quote is questionably attributable to Orwell http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/24/truth-revolutionary/ *R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US* /Privacy Engineering Consultant/, *Enterprivacy Consulting Group* enterprivacy.com * phone: (828) 4RJCESQ * twitter: @privacymaverick.com * blog: http://blog.privacymaverick.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
Oh, wait! George Orwell was supposedly talking about the communists! Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Even if the quote is apocryphal, I'm pretty sure George Orwell wouldn't mind it, since it reflects the spirit of 1984 Animal Farm, as opposed to doublespeak Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, R. Jason Cronk r...@privacymaverick.com wrote: On 7/8/2013 9:29 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. FYI. this quote is questionably attributable to Orwell http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/24/truth-revolutionary/ R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US Privacy Engineering Consultant, Enterprivacy Consulting Group phone: (828) 4RJCESQ twitter: @privacymaverick.com blog: http://blog.privacymaverick.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
Even if the quote is apocryphal, I'm pretty sure George Orwell wouldn't mind it, since it reflects the spirit of 1984 Animal Farm, as opposed to doublespeak Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, R. Jason Cronk r...@privacymaverick.com wrote: On 7/8/2013 9:29 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. FYI. this quote is questionably attributable to Orwell http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/24/truth-revolutionary/ R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US Privacy Engineering Consultant, Enterprivacy Consulting Group phone: (828) 4RJCESQ twitter: @privacymaverick.com blog: http://blog.privacymaverick.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel
Lets turn this ship around! Exactly! And I assume we have permission to distribute your note, Jacob? Thanks for all this work (everybody). Needless to say, not all of the work before us is technological… — Doug Douglas Schuler doug...@publicsphereproject.org -- Public Sphere Project http://www.publicsphereproject.org/ Creating the World Citizen Parliament http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (project) http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (book) http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2tid=11601 On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost. Though hope alone is not a strategy. I think this may be of interest to people on the list: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links: http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in German: http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf The English original will be released this week. Last week's article is also very important: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html This is also probably of great interest to people on the list: http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/ http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
