Re: [REVIEW 3-6, 3-6-0] fdo#50345 accept empty string as scalar numeric 0 argument

[khagaroth]

From a translators point of view, it would be no problem. The
translations are continually updated anyway. I guess it could be a
little bit annoying for people that do not use pootle, but who cares
about one untranslated string if it fixes a problem that breaks
compatibility, not to mention there are still not that many languages
that are fully translated.
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Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC4 test builds available

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I just installed RC4 and the bug of not starting on first run (only
the splash shows up and then nothing) is back (it was there for 3.5
and then fixed if I remember correctly).
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Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available

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Hi,

first obvious thing I notice on Windows is the menu bar being glassed.
That wouldn't be a problem of itself (I'm used to that from Firefox)
if the font color used for the menu entries combined with the badly
done glow effect wasn't making the menu completely unreadable. This
needs a lot of polishing.
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Re: EasyHack? Update service auto-download feature.

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IMHO not worth the trouble without differential updates, but with them
it sure would be a killer feature.
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] REMINDER: Release 3.6.0-rc2 from libreoffice-3-6 branch

[khagaroth]

Then perhaps the toplevel tree entries shouldn't be selectable anymore
and clicking on them should move the selection to (and display) the
first corresponding subitem.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Olivier Hallot
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
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 I don't think I know someone who actually read these blablabla. :-)

 Em 17-07-2012 08:46, Andras Timar escreveu:
 2012/7/17 Valter Mura valterm...@gmail.com:
 Hi All,

 maybe this is a silly question: I noticed that in Options dialog
 introduction text for the leading pages (LIbreOffice, Load/Save,
 Linguistic, and so on) is not present anymore.

 (I didn't read the new features for 3.6, so maybe I missed something.)

 Is it normal or a bug to be solved?

 I remember that someone wanted to kill them. Maybe the time has come. :)

 Andras


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Re: Regarding your commit: Add all the available themes to the list

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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote:

        Personally, I'd like to ship just two themes: tango and highcontrast,

I hope that was meant only for Linux builds, because the only theme
that doesn't look completely out of place on Windows is Galaxy.
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License statement

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Contributor: Jindřich Šesták

All of my past and future contributions to LibreOffice may be licensed
under the MPL/LGPLv3+ dual license.

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IMPORTANT NOTE: My first (and till now the only) contribution was
committed under a wrong name (Da'angh Khagaroth), sorry about that
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Re: (great) widget layout progress

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How much work would it be to make this directly use gettext? I thought
the long term goal was to switch from custom translation formats to
gettext, so using yet another custom translation format for something
like this seems a bit odd.
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Re: gettext (was: (great) widget layout progress)

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Not really, that's what msgctxt is for.
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Re: need help fixing some files with weird line feeds in the LO tree

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git config --global core.autocrlf true

Also on Windows I think it's better to use msysgit than the one in cygwin.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How Can I Provide More Info For Developers

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The best solution would be to have a debug symbol server, then there
would be easily accessible debug symbols even for the release builds.
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Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject

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While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To:
libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org.
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Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz wrote:
 On Tuesday 24 of January 2012, khagaroth wrote:
 While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To:
 libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org.

  Oh, well, that's something people will probably never agree on *shrug*. You
 just need to get a mail client that is modern enough (that's, like, last
 decade) to have 'reply-to-mailing-list' and that solves the problem. And that
 was a plural you, if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies
 to my mails, I would have said so.

Tell that to google. I don't understand how they can support filtering
by mailing list so well, but don't have a 'reply to mailing list'
option.
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Re: [REVIEWED-3-5] fdo#46167 fix path of shell extension dll in registry

[khagaroth]

Reading this, it should fix my bug
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43708, if so, please
close it.

Also a warning, make sure to actually test it on Windows, when I
locally fixed this by editing the installer with Orca, I got a
Explorer crashloop caused by shlxthdl.dll after installation (Windows
7, 32bit).

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 13:12 +0100, Andras Timar wrote:
 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=2786c354ce4f7ff215fffe83ef242ee3b411fb13

        Looks right to me, picked to -3-5.

        Thanks :-)

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Re: [REVIEWED-3-5] fdo#46167 fix path of shell extension dll in registry

[khagaroth]

Good news, the crashloop I had was still with a 3.5beta and I didn't
test since. Now I repeated the test with the release version of 3.5
and it's not crashing anymore and the property page is working.
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.1 RC1 available

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The options tree in Writer in Czech language is completely messed up
after the re-added basic fonts options, but this is probably just
because the translations weren't updated yet (which they should be, at
least in Czech language, considering the added strings were translated
the same day they were added).
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Re: [LibreOffice] find ctrl-g/ctrl-shift-g accelerator patch

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Just don't use any Ctrl+Alt+? key combination on Windows as you have
about 90% chance it won't work. Ctrl+Alt on Windows automatically
translates to AltGr and that is used for special character input on
most locales. That's also the reason why Ctrl+Alt+F was changed to
Ctrl+H. For example on Czech keyboard Ctrl+Alt+F writes the symbol
'['.
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EasyHack proposition - Crop image functionality improvement (fdo#34555)

[khagaroth]

Can some developer please look at
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34555 and check if it's
suitable to be filled as an EasyHack (and fill it if it is)? The
current crop functionality in Writer and Calc is really ridiculously
bad and source of many user complaints. All the needed functionality
is already present in Draw.
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Re: How does one do registration of SDK with Visual Studio?

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There is a bug that prevents the GUI tool from working on some systems
(especially localized ones, temporarily setting locale settings to
English might help). Try the commandline tool, open the SDK
commandline, navigate to the SDK dir and type WindowsSdkVer.exe
-version:vX.X (instead of vX.X use the SDK version you want, ie
v7.1).

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote:
  in the menu: Microsoft Windows SDK 7.1 - Visual Studio Registration -
 Windows SDK Configuration Tool

 Ah, OK. No effect though;)

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Re: How does one do registration of SDK with Visual Studio?

[khagaroth]

What do you have in registry under HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft
SDKs\Windows (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Microsoft
SDKs\Windows  for x64) and HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft
SDKs\Windows in CurrentInstallFolder? Both should be the same (path to
the current SDK folder).

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote:
 Still no change;)
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Re: where can I load windows DLL file

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LO can open WPS (Woks) files just fine. Don't know if it handles
Chines glyphs in WPS, but the English and Czech files I tried opened
and displayed correctly.

 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:17:19PM +0800, huqitu du huq...@gmail.com wrote:
 The DLL function is when LO open a .wps file(this file format is very
 common in china and not supported in LO yet)
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Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice

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It's useless without support for font color settings. Black text on black
persona isn't exactly great UX experience. Though to be fair, even with
support for this, some of the personas have rather weird color combinations
when checked in Firefox.


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) 
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 Hi again,

 minor correction to my own post only
  LibO window with my (admittedly somewhat slow (1000 Mb/s)) connection

 Make that 1 MBit/s...

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Re: LibreOffice icons unofficial

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Very nice icon set, IMHO better than any of the current ones (but Galaxy is
close to perfection as well). You should ping des...@global.libreoffice.org,
though to be included it should be complete. There are still a few icons
missing here and there. The only complaint I have about the design is for
the Text color / Highlight / Background color icons and Save / Save as
(nothing can beat a diskette), they are not exactly intuitive, especially
the one for background color. But that's just nitpicking, this is
definitely my default icon set from now.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Mariano Gaudix 
marianocordobar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi .



 I developed  a pack of icons  unofficial  for LibreOffice   .

 How  i can do  that  the  program   recognize my icons  ?
 Or  the icons  are  default  in the program  ?

 Downloads  icons  :


 http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Faenza+Icons++for+LibreOffice++4.0.0?content=157970

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Re: Adding the browser to Libreoffice

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-1.

If you want to add something new instead of improving the current
functionality, the only thing that would make sense is an Outlook
counterpart. That's the only thing that's missing for a complete
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Re: what's the problem with system cairo ?

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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Enrico Weigelt enrico.weig...@vnc.biz wrote:

 By the way: anybody working on porting the gtk or qt vcl to win32 or mac ?


If you mean if gtk/qt programs run on Windows, yes, they do and look
pretty native. The only problem with GTK is that the newest official
GTK version for windows is 2.24.10 as they seriously lack Windows
developers, so there is no one to make a 3.x version.
On Mac, GTK was really buggy, can't check if that is already fixed as
I don't have access to a Mac anymore.
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Re: [PATCH] Insert Table Dialog: Rename button back to AutoFormat, Acc...

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Change it to Table format? AutoFormat sounds too stupid (not to mention
the missing space makes it look like an accidentally extracted constant)
and it would be a good thing to get rid of it.


On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt (via Code Review) 
ger...@gerrit.libreoffice.org wrote:

 Hi,

 I have submitted a patch for review:

 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/1217

 To pull it, you can do:

 git pull ssh://gerrit.libreoffice.org:29418/corerefs/changes/17/1217/1

 Insert Table Dialog: Rename button back to AutoFormat, Accelerators
 changed

 As requested in here:
 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-November/041788.html

 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2012-November/001597.html

 Change-Id: I2cd3f4422dcbd62b1e72661d1df890bd0202c1ef
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Re: l10n process, en_US version, Help files

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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.orgwrote:

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:18:59AM +0100, Andras Timar wrote:
  On 2013.12.11. 17:19, Sophie wrote:
   - but that doesn't solve the several typos that already exist and that
   are overlooked by the l10n team (e.g in the Character  Font Effect
   dialog, there is Overline _c_olor and Underline _C_olor and this is the
   same for several dialogs)
 
  If it's overlooked by 60+ active translation teams + beta testers, then
  probably it is not that much important. We can live with it. :)

 If the localizers don’t test the actual UI (which I doubt they do, given
 how long it takes to build LibreOffice) and just translate the strings
 in Pootle, they are very unlikely to spot such inconsistencies, no
 matter how many teams we have.

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And frankly, most translators don't bother reporting such errors (or any
errors at all). There is enough work with the translation itself and Pootle
not having any way to report errors (though that function is already being
worked on) doesn't help.
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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 Beta1 available

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Is anyone else getting a crash (no error message) when selecting Format -
Character..., Format - Paragraph... etc. etc.? (Win7 x64)


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Thorsten Behrens 
t...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Dear Community,

 The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first Beta release
 of our new LibreOffice 4.1. The upcoming 4.1 will be our sixth major
 release in two and a half years, and comes with a nice set of new
 features. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.1 Beta1 is not ready yet
 for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.0.3 for
 that.

 For further milestones towards 4.1, please refer to our release plan
 timings here:

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.1#4.1.0_release

 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

 Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

   https://bugs.freedesktop.org

 A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
 specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:


 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

 For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
 e.g. contribute code:

   http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

 translate LibreOffice to your language:

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 or help with funding our operations:

   http://donate.libreoffice.org/

 A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.1.0 Beta1 is available
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   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/Beta1

 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
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Re: LiMux student kick-off

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This could be a pretty big minefield on Windows. Look at Chrome and
Firefox. They had to introduce ANGLE to do dynamic
OpenGL-Direct3D translation, because there were too many OpenGL bugs and
quirks, especially with Intel GPUs. Not to mention, that drivers installed
from Windows update have often limited OpenGL support and not everyone
installs drivers directly from GPU vendors. And yet they still have to use
a driver/HW blacklist. I guess LO can get away with much simpler
implementation, so it will not be as bad, but it's still something to
consider.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com
wrote:

 Hi Ptyl,

 On Wed, 2014-09-17 at 21:08 +0300, Ptyl Dragon wrote:
  Regarding this, from the little i've learned so far of OpenGL, the
  main thing would be to avoid use the OpenGL extensions and API calls
  that don't exist in ES ... In other words, whatever feature of OpenGL
  we use, we should first ensure it exists in the target OpenGL ES
  version we choose, on Android and iOS.
 
 Sounds sensible; there is a nice list of things to avoid here:
 chart2/opengl/README.deprecated. FWIW - I got some insight from Markus
 via some low bandwidth / Australian out-back telegraph which is perhaps
 helpful =) He says:

 Sadly OpenGL ES is not a pure subset of normal OpenGL, at least
 of the versions that we target, so we need to make sure in both
 directions that the used features are available on both the
 OpenGL target version as well as in the OpenGL ES target
 version. Extensions can be used conditionally but core features
 are a bigger problem there.

 Actually I hope this is mostly a non-issue if we develop and debug
 this
 on a rich-platform rather than Android. Hopefully that way we only have
 to check we're not using things not available in GLES as you suggest.

 To elaborate on that point - IMHO once we have the stack
 efficiently
 rendering to GL from VCL through drawinglayer etc. on the PC then it is
 ~trivial to adapt this to tiled-rendering; it's just a different
 context / frame-buffer-object to render a part of the same scene to.

 So - why develop for PC first not Android ? well Android is the
 Devil's
 Armpit of a development environment. It is extraordinarily hard, and
 unreliable to debug native code there - the development iteration is not
 'compile,run' but 'compile,zip,sign,hope-up-load-works,run' with the
 middle phases being not only slow but also un-reliable ;-) And that is
 before we get to the horrible issues of trying to debug broken OpenGL
 shaders etc. which is bad enough in a well maintained development
 environment ;-) nevermind on a remote machine with a confused GPU ;-) Of
 course we'll still have to audit / port that work to Android (which
 should be easy) after we're done but ... when it works the set of bugs
 to nail should be mercifully smaller I hope.

  In my mind, what would have worked better is to avoid the quasi mode,
  do a pure OpenGL rendering, then integrating it in Desktop via a
  desktop tiled rendering mechanismthough i guess that's a waterfall
  in itself.

 I'd like to avoid that really; lets have the fewest moving parts at
 once - we may discover on desktop hardware that (if we can render much
 faster) there is no real need for tiling for desktop performance -
 though its always nice to be power efficient of course.

  I would think, the other platforms can wait since they are getting
  decent performance already. But i can see why you would disagree with
  me on this.
 
 For ease of development / debugging - it makes a huge amount of
 sense
 to develop this, at least initially on a PC platform I think.

  in our iOS implementation we solved the timer issues by considering
  them as damaged areas, similar to areas changed by editing. Viewer
  only functionality may not require this by default, but still, it can
  solve this without getting rid of the timers. Still, i agree that in
  the long run, the timer thing needs to go.

 Yep - it's a longer term thing; but I quite like the idea of
 binning
 immediate rendering via some just collect damage and re-render model
 =) it is IMHO a premature optimization on modern hardware.

  Perhaps to do some actual help, i should begin with doing some easy
  hacks on this front, just to get the taste of it.
  Would be good if someone could give me something to actually do.

 Heh =) I'll fwd some ideas Kendy sent out - that is assuming you
 have a
 Linux VM somewhere with GL ? (would be useful to have anyway)

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Re: #4 can someone spot problem with simplebootstrap_cpp.cxx

[khagaroth]

Don't change subject on every reply. It breaks threading and creates a mess
on the list.
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Re: Internal Updater

[khagaroth]

I don't find this that useful. Unless the internal updater starts using
differential updates (which would be great), I think it's better to just
open the download site in a browser.


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I know we've discussed this already a few times - both within ESC and
 within the QA call but I wanted to get a better sense of what is needed
 to move forward with getting it fixed. FWIW I've closed 3 bugs this at
 least tangentially related to the subject.

 So - from what I understand the entire updater is just broken, when you
 get a notification that there is a new version you click it and it just
 takes you to the website where additional clicks are needed to download,
 and then more to install.

 QA has discussed this a few times and generally I think we've come up
 with a roadmap of what would be ideal but I know that it will require
 others to implement so I'm not trying to push this onto any developer
 just curious how (if at all) we can get it fixed.

 Phase I:
 Fix what is already there - currently you can go to Help - Check for
 Updates and there is a Install button that is always inactive. How
 much work would it take to at least fix that? If this will never get
 fixed (or be a long time) I think we should remove the button as it just
 reminds users about a broken feature that has been broken for a long
 time already.

 FWIW here I think we need to be clearer about what it means to check
 for update because it's based on what branch you are on


 Phase II:
 Add new options to allow a user to select the branch they want
 (fresh/stable/pre-release) and then another option to either download
 only or download and install which would automatically either
 download to a folder or download and install upon release.

 I think Phase II would be an amazing addition that would be kind of one
 of those big things we could run some PR about during a major release.


 Like I said - not pushing this on anyone, just curious where we stand as
 I see updater related bug reports and enhancement requests and QA has
 discussed it quite a few times as something that we feel need some
 love/attention.



 Best Regards,
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Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

[khagaroth]

>
> it seems the goal is to move away from .xhp to .xhtml
>
> I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance).

html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need)
> in the help files (like  or  to name few)
>

Both  and  are part of HTML 5 and there is a good chance
the other things are as well.

there are many ways how to describe the same thing in html ('s and 's
> vs.  and  vs. 's with css vs. who-knows-what)


CSS is the preferred way, its the same as with styles and direct formatting
in Writer.
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Re: Minutes of ESC call 2017-08-17

[khagaroth]

So what's the plan for handling the line spacing changes outfall? After
this change LO is currently unusable as it completely breaks existing
documents and the bugs don't see much activity.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Xisco Fauli 
wrote:

> Hello,
> > + build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
> >   [ almost done, will send to the ML ]
> >
> Basically the line spacing differences across platforms has been reduced
> after this commit[1] ( visual example of an issue fixed by the mentioned
> commit: Windows [2] and Linux [3] ) although there are still some bugs
> showing differences between Linux and Windows [4][5]
> Besides, it seems some documents look different before and after the
> commit now.
> These are the problems I could find in Bugzilla related to the commit:
>
> 1. Some fonts with bad metrics ( [6],[7] ) were displayed better before,
> however the problem needs to be fixed in the fonts, not in LibreOffice,
> thus, NOTOURBUG.
> Note: Khaled also fixed it for OpenSymbol fonts [9].
>
> 2. UI: Some dialogs labels are slightly cropped and vertically cramped
> [9]. Differences look bigger on Linux/Mac than on Windows. This bug [10]
> seems similar.
>
> 3. Web view: Line spacing is smaller than before [11]. This really looks
> like a bug to me.
>
> 4. Calc/PDF: line spacing looks smaller when using line breaks [12].
>
> As a solution, this bug [13] has been suggested.
>
> Regards
>
> [1]
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=
> 34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a
> [2] https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/
> attachment.cgi?id=128520
> [3] https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/
> attachment.cgi?id=128521
> [4] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92502
> [5] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104932
> [6] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107605
> [7] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107888
> [8] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106994#c7
> [9] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
> [10] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105860
> [11] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
> [12] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
> [13] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891
>
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

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On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Michael Meeks 
wrote:

>+ calc/PDF – wrt. line-breaking: most concern
>   + Khaled ? driven away by annoying reporter ?
>   *+ calc issue appears to affect only him → ignore it?
> (Xisco)*
>  + declared strategy to annoy people to fix his bugs
> (Thorsten)
> + should we mute / give him a stern talk ?
>

Care to elaborate how it only affects him? I have hundreds of existing calc
documents with multiline text that are now broken (ie they
display/print/export badly) and I'm definitely not going to go trough all
of them to fix it manually. And no, they don't use some exotic fonts, 99%
of them are using Arial or Times.
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Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Nov-28

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:29 PM Heiko Tietze  wrote:

>  * Pasting from Writer to Impress Should be "Text only" by default
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121574
>+ agree (Heiko)
>+ keep the current behaviour; users should learn to paste special (Cor)
>+ better go with rich text format by default
>=> following Regina treating this as a bug
>

The same could be  said about pasting from Writer to Calc. I can't remember
a single instance where I wanted to insert the stupid "OLE" object (and it
being the default is quite infuriating to put it mildly) and inserting a
formatted text is also a rare need since I usually need a different
formatting anyway.
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Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Nov-28

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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM Heiko Tietze  wrote:

> That's why I accepted the request (which means no further input from UX
> needed).
>

As I pointed out (actually that was the main point of the previous email,
not OLE as default), the behavior described in the bug isn't Impress
specific, but also applies to Calc. So, could UX take a look at that as
well and extend the scope of the bug which is now only Impress specific.
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Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2020-09-03

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:06 PM Jan-Marek Glogowski 
wrote:

> But coming back to the original bug / suggestion to retire the PNGs:
> *the quality of the SVG renderings of the icons at 100% isn't good*. They
> look
> "washed out" in comparison with the unscaled, alternative PNG icons
>

 ^^
That's an understatement. SVG icons are currently absolutely atrocious. The
first problem is that LO uses odd icon resolution (25x25), so the lines are
not pixel aligned on export and are blurred/aliased. The second problem is
that with Opengl/Skia enabled, the GPU driver applies some
antialiasing/smoothing on top of that and it ends up looking absolutely
hideous, at least on latest AMD / Intel drivers. No such problems with the
PNG icons or with GDI rendering.
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Re: ESC meeting agenda: 2021-03-25 16:00 Berlin time - renaming - a serious tongue-in-cheek proposal

[khagaroth]

What else would you call that? Did you look at the examples I listed. Those
people appear to act in the best interest of the minorities, but if they
get called out at their bull by said minorities, they dis them (re Bill
Burrs [black] wife who was called "minority sex servant" by one such a*hole
after shooting them down for calling her husband racist).

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 4:45 PM Tor Lillqvist  wrote:

> > woke agenda
>
> You really want to remove any doubts, do you?
>
> --tml
>
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Re: ESC meeting agenda: 2021-03-25 16:00 Berlin time - renaming - a serious tongue-in-cheek proposal

[khagaroth]

Not reactionaries or a*holes. Just realists. You maybe don't know about the
situation in some other fields that were infected by woke agenda first, but
some people do and they react accordingly. Look at the toxic cancel culture
in Twitter and in the entertainment industry (search for "Gina Carano
aftermath" or "Bill Burr minority sex servant"), the disastrous state of
american comics (search for snowflake and safespace), the sad state of
iconic franchises as Star Trek (STD, Picard), Doctor Who (sad face), Star
Wars etc. etc., all in the name of woke.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 4:17 PM Tor Lillqvist  wrote:

> > 1984 here we come ..
>
> Oh for fuck’s sake. It’s sad to see how many reactionaries there are in
> this so-called community.
>
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Re: ESC meeting agenda: 2021-03-25 16:00 Berlin time - renaming - a serious tongue-in-cheek proposal

[khagaroth]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:13 PM Eike Rathke  wrote:

> we would have to decide on female 'gata' or male 'gato'
>

Don't you dare to assume a gender.  To be gender neutral, how about using
"WOKE".
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Re: ANN: renaming of master branch to "main" for core repository and submodules (dictionaries, help, translations)

[khagaroth]

Get woke go broke...

No need to push some misguided agenda, and even less need to appeal to some
collective guilt, after all slavery wasn't an universal practice.

The only way to handle SJWs is to ignore them, after all if you give them
an inch they'll take a mile. Be glad the situation is still somewhat
bearable in the programming community, you really wouldn't want for it to
get as bad as it is in the entertainment industry, the less you let
them creep in, the better.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC4 test builds available

[khagaroth]

I just installed RC4 and the bug of not starting on first run (only
the splash shows up and then nothing) is back (it was there for 3.5
and then fixed if I remember correctly).
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How Can I Provide More Info For Developers

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The best solution would be to have a debug symbol server, then there
would be easily accessible debug symbols even for the release builds.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 Beta1 available

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Is anyone else getting a crash (no error message) when selecting Format -
Character..., Format - Paragraph... etc. etc.? (Win7 x64)


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Thorsten Behrens 
t...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Dear Community,

 The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first Beta release
 of our new LibreOffice 4.1. The upcoming 4.1 will be our sixth major
 release in two and a half years, and comes with a nice set of new
 features. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.1 Beta1 is not ready yet
 for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.0.3 for
 that.

 For further milestones towards 4.1, please refer to our release plan
 timings here:

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.1#4.1.0_release

 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

 Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

   https://bugs.freedesktop.org

 A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
 specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:


 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

 For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
 e.g. contribute code:

   http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

 translate LibreOffice to your language:

   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide

 or help with funding our operations:

   http://donate.libreoffice.org/

 A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.1.0 Beta1 is available
 from our wiki:

   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/Beta1

 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
 contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Internal Updater

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I don't find this that useful. Unless the internal updater starts using
differential updates (which would be great), I think it's better to just
open the download site in a browser.


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I know we've discussed this already a few times - both within ESC and
 within the QA call but I wanted to get a better sense of what is needed
 to move forward with getting it fixed. FWIW I've closed 3 bugs this at
 least tangentially related to the subject.

 So - from what I understand the entire updater is just broken, when you
 get a notification that there is a new version you click it and it just
 takes you to the website where additional clicks are needed to download,
 and then more to install.

 QA has discussed this a few times and generally I think we've come up
 with a roadmap of what would be ideal but I know that it will require
 others to implement so I'm not trying to push this onto any developer
 just curious how (if at all) we can get it fixed.

 Phase I:
 Fix what is already there - currently you can go to Help - Check for
 Updates and there is a Install button that is always inactive. How
 much work would it take to at least fix that? If this will never get
 fixed (or be a long time) I think we should remove the button as it just
 reminds users about a broken feature that has been broken for a long
 time already.

 FWIW here I think we need to be clearer about what it means to check
 for update because it's based on what branch you are on


 Phase II:
 Add new options to allow a user to select the branch they want
 (fresh/stable/pre-release) and then another option to either download
 only or download and install which would automatically either
 download to a folder or download and install upon release.

 I think Phase II would be an amazing addition that would be kind of one
 of those big things we could run some PR about during a major release.


 Like I said - not pushing this on anyone, just curious where we stand as
 I see updater related bug reports and enhancement requests and QA has
 discussed it quite a few times as something that we feel need some
 love/attention.



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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [LibreOffice] find ctrl-g/ctrl-shift-g accelerator patch

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Just don't use any Ctrl+Alt+? key combination on Windows as you have
about 90% chance it won't work. Ctrl+Alt on Windows automatically
translates to AltGr and that is used for special character input on
most locales. That's also the reason why Ctrl+Alt+F was changed to
Ctrl+H. For example on Czech keyboard Ctrl+Alt+F writes the symbol
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Nov-28

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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM Heiko Tietze  wrote:

> That's why I accepted the request (which means no further input from UX
> needed).
>

As I pointed out (actually that was the main point of the previous email,
not OLE as default), the behavior described in the bug isn't Impress
specific, but also applies to Calc. So, could UX take a look at that as
well and extend the scope of the bug which is now only Impress specific.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Nov-28

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:29 PM Heiko Tietze  wrote:

>  * Pasting from Writer to Impress Should be "Text only" by default
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121574
>+ agree (Heiko)
>+ keep the current behaviour; users should learn to paste special (Cor)
>+ better go with rich text format by default
>=> following Regina treating this as a bug
>

The same could be  said about pasting from Writer to Calc. I can't remember
a single instance where I wanted to insert the stupid "OLE" object (and it
being the default is quite infuriating to put it mildly) and inserting a
formatted text is also a rare need since I usually need a different
formatting anyway.
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[Libreoffice] [LibreOffice] [PATCH] DateAcceptancePattern and PartitiveMonths for Czech language

[Da'angh Khagaroth]

Attached patch adds DateAcceptancePatterns and PartitiveMonths for
Czech language. Aside from that it also changes a few date formating
patterns to better comply with Czech date writing conventions.
Note that there is one peculiarity in date writing in Czech. Normally
the partitive form is used when the day precedes the month, but when
used in a sentence, the nominative form is used in some cases.
Fortunately this is relatively rare, so I guess it shouldn't really be
a problem.


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