[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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--- Comment #14 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
Would my format switch question be better placed here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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--- Comment #13 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #12)
> This is bugzilla for bug reports and how you explain is for user support at
> ask.libreoffice.org. I close as NAB.
> What you mention in Comment 10 coulbe be bug but you need to search first
> and report with details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport.
By bug, are you referring to the switch, or the issue with the multiFormatSave
extension?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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Timur  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Timur  ---
This is bugzilla for bug reports and how you explain is for user support at
ask.libreoffice.org. I close as NAB.
What you mention in Comment 10 coulbe be bug but you need to search first and
report with details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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--- Comment #11 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
Until that bug gets squashed, I guess I might be able to get by with the PDF
conversion feature. Something which I appreciate about LibreOffice is that it
has easy-access buttons for things I often want to do, like superscripts,
exporting to PDF, strikethrough, and toggling formatting marks - things which 
iWork lacks and sorely needs. From that, you can probably figure out that I'm
switching from MacOS to Linux. I remember that in iWork, you had to go File,
Export, the format you wanted, click Next, choose where you want to new file
stored, and then click on Export. But in LibreOffice, the same operation can be
accomplished with only two clicks. Not to mention that LibreOffice can directly
work with MS Office files without having to do any conversions and it can even
start documents in the MS formats.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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--- Comment #10 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #8)
> (In reply to jfblagden from comment #7)
> > (In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #5)
> > > You should try this extension:
> > > https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave
> > 
> > That's a neat extension. It's not really what I was looking for, but it
> > should do the job. However, I tried it, and it didn't work. I was able to
> 
> Sorry, I think I gave you the wrong extension. The correct one should be
> this one: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave-1
> 
> Best regards. JBF

I used that version of the MultiSave extension, and I noticed that it doesn't
work too well when going from a Microsoft format to an open format. I converted
an Excel spreadsheet and a Word document, both of which I started and continued
working on in LibreOffice, but the open-source versions of those documents
which were created by MultiSave were corrupt. The PDF, RTF, and MSO versions of
those documents worked fine, but not the open-source format versions.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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--- Comment #9 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #8)
> (In reply to jfblagden from comment #7)
> > (In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #5)
> > > You should try this extension:
> > > https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave
> > 
> > That's a neat extension. It's not really what I was looking for, but it
> > should do the job. However, I tried it, and it didn't work. I was able to
> 
> Sorry, I think I gave you the wrong extension. The correct one should be
> this one: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave-1
> 
> Best regards. JBF

Thank you! It works! 

I just wish it were a wee bit faster and had an automatic setting. But it
works, and that's what really matters here.

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--- Comment #8 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
(In reply to jfblagden from comment #7)
> (In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #5)
> > You should try this extension:
> > https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave
> 
> That's a neat extension. It's not really what I was looking for, but it
> should do the job. However, I tried it, and it didn't work. I was able to

Sorry, I think I gave you the wrong extension. The correct one should be this
one: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave-1

Best regards. JBF

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--- Comment #7 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #5)
> You should try this extension:
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave

That's a neat extension. It's not really what I was looking for, but it should
do the job. However, I tried it, and it didn't work. I was able to get to the
point where I could pick the formats in which I wanted to save my document.
Whenever I hit the Save button from MultiSave's popup window, nothing happens,
even when I check and uncheck different formats and change the name of my
document.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112533] Easily Switch Between Open File Formats and Microsoft File Formats

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--- Comment #6 from Thomas Lendo  ---
Most programs have their own file format with them they work best. Saving in
Microsoft Office (MSO) formats will sometimes result in little dataloss or
something will look differently after saving, closing and reopening the file.
Because of that there is this warning dialog window when saving in other format
than OpenDocument, which is the default in LibreOffice (LO/LibO).

I can follow you, but if the user wants to save every time in a specific file
format like a doc then there is the switch in the options dialog. If someone
wants only save a single file, then this can be done in the file save dialog
where many file types are available. All changes must be done for a single LibO
component (Writer, Calc, Draw ...) because not every file format is available
for every component (e.g. there is no MSO format for Draw).

Between them ... there is nothing available. Again, where should such a switch
be available?

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--- Comment #5 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
You should try this extension:
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/multisave

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--- Comment #4 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
What's missing is the ability to easily switch Writer, Calc and Impress from
using the ODF formats to the MSO formats and back again. A general format
switch would be useful both for me and also for others. 

Besides, what if you set up a Windows user with LibreOffice and they don't know
how to switch file types? Wouldn't it be easier for new user to be able to just
flip a switch or for you to be able to quickly flip that switch for them when
you're getting them started? Or would you prefer to talk them through that over
the phone or have to switch over three different formats right in front of
them? What might that make them think about FOSS? It very well could make them
think that it takes too much configuration to be usable by people who are not
as interested in FOSS as us?

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--- Comment #3 from Thomas Lendo  ---
Where should such switch be located?
And what's missing in Tools > Options > Load/Save > General, where you can
specify a default file format?

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--- Comment #2 from jfblag...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #1)
> "Microsoft Office formats": what do you mean? Which one? 2003, 2007, 2010,
> 2013 or 2016? None meet the OOXML standard.
> 
> It is a bad idea to save in MSO format by default because LO use ODF
> internally and each save needs an conversion from ODF resulting in reduced
> performance and possibly formatting loss.
> I think a better workflow is to always work in ODF and save a copy in OOXML
> only when you need to send the document to someone who need to edit it. If
> editing is not needed, use the pdf format. 
> 
> Best regards. JBF

I was referring to the 2007 MSO format specifically. Who is LO? Also, I want to
be able to save my documents in the Microsoft Office format because most of the
people with whom I exchange documents use Microsoft Office instead of
Libreoffice or some other FOSS office suite – usually because they don’t know
any better or because they either think or know that LibreOffice is missing
some critical feature that they need. For me, it's just impractical to save
documents in ODF all of the time, especially because some of the people with
whom I exchange documents are using Macs - Microsoft Office for Windows can use
ODF files, but not the Mac version. For me, it’s a lot more practical to only
save FOSS-related documents in the ODF format. For example, I made a
presentation about open-source software in the ODP format because pretty much
everyone who I would send it to will be using LibreOffice or some other
open-source office suite
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgpdzbhqp9zz3ro/Introduction%20to%20Open%20Source.odp?dl=0).
I’m just trying to be practical. FOSS is great, but most folks don’t use it,
and so I have to be able to use some proprietary stuff as well. That’s why I
have Skype installed on my Linux box – because everyone uses Skype. Even if a
Mac user normally uses FaceTime, they usually have Skype installed anyway just
so they can communicate with people who don’t have Macs or iOS devices.

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--- Comment #1 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
"Microsoft Office formats": what do you mean? Which one? 2003, 2007, 2010, 2013
or 2016? None meet the OOXML standard.

It is a bad idea to save in MSO format by default because LO use ODF internally
and each save needs an conversion from ODF resulting in reduced performance and
possibly formatting loss.
I think a better workflow is to always work in ODF and save a copy in OOXML
only when you need to send the document to someone who need to edit it. If
editing is not needed, use the pdf format. 

Best regards. JBF

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