[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 goodgu...@zoho.com changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||6315 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 --- Comment #5 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- The updated help pages are online now. See how Autocaption [1] in comment 4 gives a description of "typical" behavior, while the "note" gives the full picture. In contrast, "Alphabetical Index" [2] in comment 4 only gives "typical" behavior, with no indication of the complete rule. (The same text would be used for "User-defined", which is the focus of this ticket). I can see arguments for both approaches, so would be happy to hear another opinion. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
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--- Comment #4 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Dieter from comment #3)
> So is it a bug or a docmentation issue?
(imo) both aspects are relevant -- and may be relevant for a few other tickets
(e.g., bug 93904). I will explain, so that you can decide on a way to proceed,
and also to seek your feedback on the documentation part (because it is a
little complicated).
The documentation part:
The current description cited in comment 2 was introduced recently (22 feb) as
a resolution of bug 105628.
But after that change (26 feb), I got a new/different understanding (summarized
in bug 153560 comment 10), which is what motivated comment 1.
Subsequently, it was decided (9 mar) to document actual behavior (see bug
147004, comment 20).
I just checked now and can see that I have not (yet) added the "latest"
formulation for "user-defined", but was starting to work on it now, so I will
take care of the documentation part of this ticket, following the (9 mar)
decision.
Now the complicated part.
I have just done a similar updating for "Show up to level" for caption
numbering (e.g., AutoCaption [1} (to appear soon in online help). And today a
version was made for Alphabetical Index [2], which will also be used for this
ticket ("User-defined"). I mention these two so that I can seek your opinion
about how to handle the documentation.
The issue is this: If a document uses headings in a "typical" way [3], then
the current online help (cited in comment 2) is pretty accurate. It is only
when "non-typical" structures are used that seeming bugs appear (such as this
ticket, as well as bug 147004 and bug 93904, which also involve fields.)
In AutoCaption [1], I tried to indicate a "rule" for typical heading
structures, and then put the actual rule in a "note". The "actual" rule seems
a little too complicated to "think with", especially when it seems that most of
us (as seen in BZ) are assuming that the "level" option is for specifying how
many levels to show. And as noted, with a "typical" heading structure, it DOES
work that way.
So I tried to find a way to give simple understandable help, but signal that
this is in typical situations, but then also give the "actual rule" that can be
used to explain/understand "atypical" cases.
After the new versions in [1] and [2] appear, then let me know what you think.
No doubt they can be improved. Perhaps a similar solution could work here? At
present, the version for Alphabetical Index [2] does not mention the actual
rule, but maybe it should? (there are also tooltips and extended tips)
The (maybe a) "bug" part.
Both this ticket and attachment 185594 from bug 153560 involve a situation
where the search rule does not find any match, according to the selected level.
In that case, the field displays the first heading in the document (i.e., not
following the rule anymore). In this one (corner) case, the expected behavior
should be: "nothing is displayed"
I consider the current behavior to be a bug. (the attachment gives a good/easy
demonstration).
[1} https://help.libreoffice.org/7.6/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01041100.html
[2] https://help.libreoffice.org/7.6/en-US/text/swriter/01/04120222.html
[3] start with outline level 1, continue with outline 1 or outline level 2.
With outline level 2, all subsequent headings have an outline level of -1, 0,
or +1. In other words, no jumps or gaps in outline levels, each heading is
preceded or followed by another heading that has the same outline level, or is
one greater or one lesser.
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 --- Comment #3 from Dieter --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #1) > In short, the rule between used by "Evaluate up to level" option is show the > contents of the first immediately preceding paragraph that has an outline > level less than or equal to (≤) the number entered in the "evaluate...level" > spinbox. So is it a bug or a docmentation issue? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #2 from Dieter --- I confirm it with Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: d7c609dbb1bd08865b43719d2fb7c316d30bcde5 CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19045; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: en-US (de_DE); UI: en-GB Calc: CL threaded Help about "Show up to level": "Specify the number of levels of the heading number to show. For example, select '2' to show the first two levels of the heading number." [1] [1] https://help.libreoffice.org/7.6/en-GB/text/swriter/01/04120225.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 --- Comment #1 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- I believe that what is happening in the attachment is: there are no headings with outline level (2-5) between the position of Table 1 and the top of the document, so it only uses the first heading that is encountered, which in the attachment is level 1. If the outline level of the first heading is changed to a value between 2 and 5, then this is the heading number that will appear in the (updated index). Or if a heading with outline level between 2 and 5 is inserted between the first (outline level 1) heading and the level 6 heading (before the table), then this heading number will be used. In short, the rule between used by "Evaluate up to level" option is show the contents of the first immediately preceding paragraph that has an outline level less than or equal to (≤) the number entered in the "evaluate...level" spinbox. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||153751 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153751 [Bug 153751] Consistent naming of chapter, heading, outline, and level -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 153710] "Evaluate up to level" for Chapter Info for User-Defined Index shows only top level or all levels
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153710 sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||89606 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89606 [Bug 89606] [META] Table of Contents and Indexes bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
