[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67152] Symbol catalog: no way to change font en-masse

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
   See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda |
   |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 |
   |1174|
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote  ---
The premise that there is no way to change the font en-masse is simply not true
as demonstrated.  Beyond the font substitution that works correctly there is no
development effort to be applied here.

Otherwise the refactoring needed to replace the existing hardcoding of OpenSans
as  FONTNAME_MATH, FNTNAME_MATH, and FNT_MATH is reasonably well understood
with several options of how to implement. 

Will go ahead and dupe this to the actual refactoring that would see this
corrected in the general case

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 101174 ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67152] Symbol catalog: no way to change font en-masse

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

--- Comment #10 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
Hence I am arguing that this is not fixed, as this setting does not persist
with the document when it is sent to others.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67152] Symbol catalog: no way to change font en-masse

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j...@curioussymbols.com changed:

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 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |FIXED

--- Comment #9 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #8)
> Not as clean as the more involved bug 101174 which requires a major
> refactoring, but it is already trivial to do this and also adjust the Greek
> symbols catalog.
> 
> Tools -> Options -> Fonts: checkbox "Apply replacement table" to activate
> replacement table.  In the "Font" drop list select "Open Symbol" and in the
> "Replace with" select "Cambria Math" (or Asana, or STYX as installed).
> 
> Green check button to add to listing. And if the "Always" is checked, the
> substituted font is saved to profile, but also will be exported (e.g. subset
> into PDF).
> 
> Otherwise just "Screen only" affecting the GUI.
> 
> OK to apply and exit.
> 
> The Greek "Symbols" dialog and the rest of the GUI will refresh with the
> substitution font.

This solution sounds interesting, but it it's still a workaround. It would lead
to some issues when collaboratively editing a document -- one would have to
explain this required configuration change, which would have the side-effect of
changing other documents that colleagues might be working on.

Also, my preferred font for Math is Liberation Serif, but it is missing some
symbols such as %varphi, so would prefer to still be able to acess OpenSymbol
(but indeed, I could use STYX etc instead)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67152] Symbol catalog: no way to change font en-masse

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 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Not as clean as the more involved bug 101174 which requires a major
refactoring, but it is already trivial to do this and also adjust the Greek
symbols catalog.

Tools -> Options -> Fonts: checkbox "Apply replacement table" to activate
replacement table.  In the "Font" drop list select "Open Symbol" and in the
"Replace with" select "Cambria Math" (or Asana, or STYX as installed).

Green check button to add to listing. And if the "Always" is checked, the
substituted font is saved to profile, but also will be exported (e.g. subset
into PDF).

Otherwise just "Screen only" affecting the GUI.

OK to apply and exit.

The Greek "Symbols" dialog and the rest of the GUI will refresh with the
substitution font.

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--- Comment #7 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
Please refer to bug 104749 for a description of the un-workaround-able problem
with the OpenSymbol font that necessitates either (1) changing the font
permanently or (2) allowing the user to change the font.

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--- Comment #6 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
Please revise this bug to be at least minor if not major. The current
hard-wired OpenSymbol font lacks metric information. It is critical that users
be able to change the font used for greek symbols etc in the symbol catalog. If
you can tell me a work-around that allows me to do this, then fixing the symbol
catalog can be considered an 'enhancement'.

But at the moment, it is not possible to produce good clear equations!

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--- Comment #5 from e_...@gmx.de ---
Dump the obsolete catalog, use Unicode and add Greek to FormatFont…

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67152] Symbol catalog: no way to change font en-masse

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Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
   Severity|normal  |enhancement
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #4 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
Thanks for further description.
I set this to enhancement.

Maybe the summary line could be more clear?

ALso: would be useful to trigger some attention (users list?) from people
working a loth with Math, so that they can jump in and help with precisely
defining needs and such?

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--- Comment #3 from j...@curioussymbols.com ---
Hi Cor,

No, the formula/math editor in LibreOffice I guess has its roots in intended
compability with MS Equation Editor (and whatever the 'full version' of that
was called). That system was totally divorced from the Styles system of the
word processor, and it continues to be that way all the way to the present.

There are character styles, but they're defined inside the Formula component,
and it's nothing like the styles feature in the rest of the Writer. And I'm not
sure where the default/preferred styles are stored. I think they're stored
somewhere that's system-specific rather than document specific. And it's worse!
If you change the default in Writer, then insert a formula in Presentation, you
get a tiny text formula. The default sizes should depend on the insertion
context, but they don't, or didn't last time I checked.

So, character styles do exist, but the Symbol Catalog ignores them completely.
If you insert a symbol from the Catalog, its font and style are defined by the
symbol catalog alone, and don't change to reflect chosen character styles.

I found that the information in the Symbol Catalog is stored in the LibreOffice
registry. My local machine has
~/.config/libreoffice/4/user/registrymodifications.xcu which contains for
example

item
oor:path=/org.openoffice.Office.Math/FontFormatList/org.openoffice.Office.Math:FontFormat['Id1']prop
oor:name=Name oor:op=fusevalueOpenSymbol/value/prop/item

and I suspect that simply changing that might solve my problem. But it's a bad
solution... what happens to my other documents, if I only want to change the
symbol font for a particular document? And how do I force LibreOffice to
re-render all of my equations with the modified symbols?

Thanks for your comment, hope we can find some help from someone.

Cheers
JP

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--- Comment #2 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
Hi John,
Thanks for reporting this!

I hardly ever work with Math, but I must understand from your report that there
are no (character) styles involved that you can use?

Regards,
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--- Comment #1 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
Hi John,
Thanks for reporting this!

I hardly ever work with Math, but I must understand from your report that there
are no (character) syles involved that you can use?

Regards,
Cor

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