Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Ask: How can we interoperate with QA and Bugzilla?
Le 15/04/13 12:20 PM, Joel Madero a écrit : Totally understood, when the forum goes live it will add another layer to the puzzle (although my understanding is this *might* replace ask at some point. Just to make this clear, the forums is not going to replace Ask, Ask replaced the need for a FAQ, which is why we do not do FAQ pages on the site. Ask is more efficient for this. Forums are more community based and engaging in either general discussions or discussions that lead to contributions. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] BSA and Component WWW->Sub-component
I am just filling out a bug and realize the LibreOfficeBox is not in the list. Should it not be included? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] XP Tester Needed for Several Bugs
Hi Kieran Kieran Peckett wrote > On XP here - is there a search to limit bugs to XP only? Are you crazyskeggy in Bugzilla? I reopened Bug #62089 because I can replicate the bug if I replicate the submitter's conditions i.e. switch to Windows Classis style under Windows XP. Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-XP-Tester-Needed-for-Several-Bugs-tp4050138p4050172.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] XP Tester Needed for Several Bugs
> > Instead of just cc'ing one guy, is there a way to tag the bug as > "Windows XP" ? that would then mean that anyone interested in XP bugs > (not just Kieran) could see that list. > I think we should discuss a broader solution on Friday - one idea is whiteboard status "OS-XP" "OS-7" "OS-8" if the bug is very very specific to the OS (has been confirmed to not be "Windows(ALL)" or even "Linux(ALL)" Let's discuss Friday. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Webdav Unconfirmed Bugs - Need Confirmation/Priotiziation
These ones are just kind of sitting around, we need someone who has experience with webdav to take a look at them, thanks in advance! https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=285285&short_desc=webdav&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&version=4.0.0.2%20rc&version=4.0.0.3%20release&version=4.0.1.1%20rc&version=4.0.1.2%20release&version=4.0.2.1%20rc&version=4.0.2.2%20release&product=LibreOffice Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] XP Tester Needed for Several Bugs
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Joel Madero wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Kieran Peckett > wrote: >> >> On XP here - is there a search to limit bugs to XP only? +1 > Unfortunately, no. What we can do is when we hit a bug that says bug present > on XP, we can CC you on it if that's okay? Instead of just cc'ing one guy, is there a way to tag the bug as "Windows XP" ? that would then mean that anyone interested in XP bugs (not just Kieran) could see that list. --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] XP Tester Needed for Several Bugs
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote: > On XP here - is there a search to limit bugs to XP only? > > Unfortunately, no. What we can do is when we hit a bug that says bug present on XP, we can CC you on it if that's okay? This list is at least down to Windows only: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=285264&op_sys=Windows%20%28All%29&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&version=4.0.0.2%20rc&version=4.0.0.3%20release&version=4.0.1.1%20rc&version=4.0.1.2%20release&version=4.0.2.1%20rc&version=4.0.2.2%20release&product=LibreOffice Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Triaging Goals - Net Minus 10 per Day Against Version 4
Hi All, I think this is a completely manageable goal and will help ensure the next minor release of 4 is free of blockers. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=285261&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&version=4.0.0.2%20rc&version=4.0.0.3%20release&version=4.0.1.1%20rc&version=4.0.1.2%20release&version=4.0.2.1%20rc&version=4.0.2.2%20release&product=LibreOffice Our team has been quite active and got the list down from 260 just Friday (-70 almost), 10 a day net down would mean in less than a month we will be at 0 which would be amazing. Please take 10-15 minutes to look at the list and triage a bug or two. Thanks all! Best, Joel P.S. As always I'll get a short report daily to say "YES WE MADE IT!" or a plead for more assistance :) -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Enhancements - Getting User Input
> > Also we don't need a new system for the voting, we already have the > bugzilla. > Currently we don't use bugzilla voting, also it is a big problem if the #1 enhancement request is some crazy request that takes 1000 hours to implement. The idea is that we limit the poll to enhancements we KNOW can be implemented in time and assign a well known developer to it who won't just shelve it and let it sit there indefinitely. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Enhancements - Getting User Input
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen < bjoern.michael...@canonical.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 08:18:17PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > > We select 10-15 possible enhancements that can be completed in a > > reasonably short period of time (within a minor release). We blog > > about this (I can do this) with a simple poll. We then announce this > > to the user list and make some PR announcement about "we are > > listening to what you think!". Allowing this would limit the list to > > enhancements that we agree can be done in a short period but open up > > "which enhancement" to the wider community. > > > > My thought is we attempt this for our next release in 4.1 > > > > Thoughts? > > Nope, at least not with PR or "we are listening to what you think!" up > front. > It needs to be the other way around: If you find a set of enhancements that > seem to be valueable to users, the primary goals needs to be to sell those > ideas to developers. Before a developer is commited to a task, there > should not > be any PR about it. And if its a volunteer, there should not be any PR > about it > before the task is _finished_. Everything else will end in tears. > > Best, > > Bjoern > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ > Also we don't need a new system for the voting, we already have the bugzilla. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Regularly Scheduled Conference Call - April 19th, 2013 (1300 GMT)
Hi All, Our regularly scheduled conference call is happening this Friday at 1300 GMT, feel free to join and listen in, give your input on our QA processes, etc Call: Friday, April 19th, 2013 Time: 1300 GMT Agenda: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/April_19 Looks like another full agenda. Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Ask: How can we interoperate with QA and Bugzilla?
> I agree that both Ask and QA need more people and need to be more user > friendly. In addition I think there are questions beings asked and answered > (in short duplicated) because there are too many channels (mail, forum, > ask) > but too little people. I don't have any idea how to improve this... > Totally understood, when the forum goes live it will add another layer to the puzzle (although my understanding is this *might* replace ask at some point. I think the way to improve is to streamline processes, get an understanding of what each of us are responsible for, and have contact names readily available if something is asked of you that you're sure is someone else's responsibility. Ultimately communication is the only solution. My proposal is that any bug that is reported on Ask, hand out my contact info if the user needs help with FDO or our BSA system, any question on FDO that clearly should be on Ask, I'll send to.whom? > > IMO if we need documentation/wiki/instructions then the tool is wrong. It > needs to be intuitive and user friendly (Ask could easily be more user > friendly, bugzilla is a nightmare). > I agree, but we need more concrete examples of what the problem is. Personally I find FDO to be easy (this is precisely why we need others to look at it and say EXACTLY what is wrong with it). For me, click on submit a bug, select libreoffice, write steps to reproduce and put attachment.seems straight forward, apparently for others there are snags and we may be able to fix them if we know exactly the issue(s) > > Following the logic of a famous scientist "If you can't explain it simply, > you don't understand it well enough" (Albert Einstein), I would say that > "If > you need to explain it, then it's not simple enough" :) > :-D Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Hi, This is my first mail sent to the 'libreoffice-qa' mail-list. I hope this is the correct method of doing things... My question is: What is the difference between bugs posted under 'Writer' section with the keyword 'FILEOPEN', to bugs in the 'filter and storage' section? To me - it seems as if all the bugs under that have the 'FILEOPEN' keyword should be under the 'filters and storage' section, no? Best, Adam ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Petr Mladek wrote: > Robinson Tryon píše v Pá 12. 04. 2013 v 13:24 -0400: >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Petr Mladek wrote: > >> Regarding the EOL date, I've mocked-up an example of how we could >> display it on the wiki page: >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:ReleasePlan#Draft:_Adding_EOL_to_the_table >> >> (I grabbed the date from the image; Petr's date was Aug 14, 2013, >> which also sounds fine to me) > > I like the first proposal. Thanks a lot for looking at it. You're welcome :-) > > BTW: ESC has had nothing against the one month after the last planned > release. If you update the wiki pages with the dates that would be cool. Great! Pages are now updated. I think we're basically done with our EOL Action Item now. -R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Ask: How can we interoperate with QA and Bugzilla?
Hi qubit (do you prefer Robinson?) and joel jmadero wrote >> Together, I think that we can improve both the Ask site and QA, and >> make the LibreOffice support system a less scary and more responsive >> experience for our users. > > I completely agree with this - perhaps some basic tutorials are in > demand, walkthroughs of how to use FDO and how to use Ask properly. > Maybe documentation can help us there, else we can tackle it ourselves. I agree that both Ask and QA need more people and need to be more user friendly. In addition I think there are questions beings asked and answered (in short duplicated) because there are too many channels (mail, forum, ask) but too little people. I don't have any idea how to improve this... IMO if we need documentation/wiki/instructions then the tool is wrong. It needs to be intuitive and user friendly (Ask could easily be more user friendly, bugzilla is a nightmare). Following the logic of a famous scientist "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" (Albert Einstein), I would say that "If you need to explain it, then it's not simple enough" :) Just my 2 cents ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Ask-How-can-we-interoperate-with-QA-and-Bugzilla-tp4049799p4050070.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Enhancements - Getting User Input
Hi, On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 08:18:17PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > We select 10-15 possible enhancements that can be completed in a > reasonably short period of time (within a minor release). We blog > about this (I can do this) with a simple poll. We then announce this > to the user list and make some PR announcement about "we are > listening to what you think!". Allowing this would limit the list to > enhancements that we agree can be done in a short period but open up > "which enhancement" to the wider community. > > My thought is we attempt this for our next release in 4.1 > > Thoughts? Nope, at least not with PR or "we are listening to what you think!" up front. It needs to be the other way around: If you find a set of enhancements that seem to be valueable to users, the primary goals needs to be to sell those ideas to developers. Before a developer is commited to a task, there should not be any PR about it. And if its a volunteer, there should not be any PR about it before the task is _finished_. Everything else will end in tears. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?
Robinson Tryon píše v Pá 12. 04. 2013 v 13:24 -0400: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Petr Mladek wrote: > Regarding the EOL date, I've mocked-up an example of how we could > display it on the wiki page: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:ReleasePlan#Draft:_Adding_EOL_to_the_table > > (I grabbed the date from the image; Petr's date was Aug 14, 2013, > which also sounds fine to me) I like the first proposal. Thanks a lot for looking at it. BTW: ESC has had nothing against the one month after the last planned release. If you update the wiki pages with the dates that would be cool. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-l10n] REMINDER: Release 4.0.3.1 from libreoffice-4-0 branch
Any new strings? Thanks, m. 2013/4/15 Petr Mladek > Hi, > > please note that the commit deadline for 4.0.3.1, aka rc1, is on today, > April 15, 2013. > > The tag and branch libreoffice-4-0-3 is going to be created tomorrow. > Only commits with 3 reviewers will be allowed for that branch. > > See also > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#4.0_release > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches > > > Best Regards, > Petr > > PS: Please, help with reviewing pending commits. > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] FDO#61146 - Supplied libstdc++.so.6 is older than system one - causing DSO load failure
On Sun, 2013-04-14 at 22:18 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > Can someone check this out, confirm & prioritize it - been sitting > unconfirmed for way too longer. I checked it out but am unsure how to > confirm it without similar distro. Thanks in advance, trying to tackle > these older unconfirmed bugs against version 4+. > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61146 I have closed the bug. The problem does not longer exists in 4.0.1 and newer builds. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
