Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call 2013-04-19 - Agenda Minutes
Hi, Le 21/04/2013 00:40, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : [...] This project was started out of the needs of the NL project -- in that case it has to ensure in some way to stay reasonably responsive. Note also that a mailing list is precisely _NOT_ what is needed here, as then there is nobody feeling responsible for it. I would be happy with either Sophie or Charles naming one or two people as the contact persons to the NL community in this case if they are overloaded themselves (which they are), but not with a mailing list -- esp. not one of a community that Sophie describes as NL projects are always shy about what they are doing. You can add me as contact person for FR community. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call 2013-04-19 - Agenda Minutes
Hi all, On 21/04/2013 00:40, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:29:59AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Currently I see a tendency that the QA calls generate decisions and want to change proceedings without knowing enough concerning existing proceedings You are kindly invited to join the call to improve the situation. AFAIK we even changed the timeslot of the call already multiple times trying to accomodate more participants. The advisable way would be to ask the French QA team via mailing list to leave some notes in the Wiki how they proceed (or how they plan to proceed). If then someone has ideas for improvements he can start a discussion with the team within the team (as a newbee there). And only with very good urgent reasons (coordinations needs between such sub-communities or whatever) a discussion may be started on international level. This project was started out of the needs of the NL project -- in that case it has to ensure in some way to stay reasonably responsive. Note also that a mailing list is precisely _NOT_ what is needed here, as then there is nobody feeling responsible for it. This FR QA list is not a discuss list but a working list and each member invested on QA feels responsible of the work done here. Again, some teams may work in different ways. I would be happy with either Sophie or Charles naming one or two people as the contact persons to the NL community in this case if they are overloaded themselves (which they are), but not with a mailing list -- esp. not one of a community that Sophie describes as NL projects are always shy about what they are doing. You didn't read what I was talking about (culture and communication), I was not talking about responsiveness and responsibility. I don't think that overwhelming another member is the good way to go. But as Jean-Baptiste volunteered, the problem is solved. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call 2013-04-19 - Agenda Minutes
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 09:50:15AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi, Le 21/04/2013 00:40, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : [...] This project was started out of the needs of the NL project -- in that case it has to ensure in some way to stay reasonably responsive. Note also that a mailing list is precisely _NOT_ what is needed here, as then there is nobody feeling responsible for it. I would be happy with either Sophie or Charles naming one or two people as the contact persons to the NL community in this case if they are overloaded themselves (which they are), but not with a mailing list -- esp. not one of a community that Sophie describes as NL projects are always shy about what they are doing. You can add me as contact person for FR community. Thanks, thats awesome! I amended that to the notes at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/April_19#NEW_ITEM:_Get_French_BSA_Operational_.28Robinson.29 note that QA doesnt requests you to do all the work yourself, feel free to quickly delegate to others if you are timerestrainted. Basically, we just want a good line of communication here. ;) Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] New QA Site - Press Release?
Hi All, As some of you know the QA team has started to make a new site (thanks to Florian :) ). The site will be on qa.libreoffice.org (currently not available to the public but we hope to go live this week). I'm not sure if someone from marketing wants to do some kind of statement about this. The main goal for the page is to make a professional page where content which doesn't change often can be housed (ie. things outside of wiki which we use for things that change frequently). We as a team felt like it would be more professional and easier to navigate for new contributors if we created our own subpage on the qa.libreoffice.org url. Furthermore we wanted to give shout outs to members who have contributed a lot as a small token of our gratitude for their contributions to the project. The QA Team site will contain short bios and a photo of QA members which have demonstrated commitment to the project for some length of time and will continue contributing into the foreseeable future. These bios will be about the person, not about the project, this is to highlight the community as a whole (including our lives outside of LibreOffice). Some other content that will be on the page is a general overview of QA work, how to's for things like our mailing list and #libreoffice-qa IRC channel, and OS specific content such as parallel installs on different OS' (required for triaging purposes), the SI-GUI for Windows (created by Florian) and links to tinderbox directories. We hope to encourage new contributors to get involved and this will be our attempt to make a nice launching site for people thinking that they want to contribute to LibreOffice to get involved with QA. If someone wants to tackle a short press release please let us know and if there are questions don't hesitate to ask. Thanks all! Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] New text for NEEDINFO Changes
Hi All, Did just a little work on the text for NEEDINFO, starting the first test of 50 bugs this week, if there are any comments please send them my way. Thanks again Florian for getting this text together :) Dear Sir or Madam, This bug has been in NEEDINFO state for more than 180 days (6 months). The requested information is important to push this issue forward towards a resolution. Please provide the missing information as soon as possible and then mark the bug as UNCONFIRMED. It is possible that the bug was stuck in NEEDINFO state by mistake or that the requested information has already been added. If this is the case please put the bug back to UNCONFIRMED. As part of our regular QA workflow we will be closing this bug as INVALID in 30 days if the information has not been provided and the bug has not been put back to UNCONFIRMED status. If the bug is put into INVALID status but you are able to append the requested information, feel free to open the bug back up as UNCONFIRMED. Lastly, because the bug has been in NEEDINFO status for such a length of time, if possible, please confirm that the bug is still present in a newer release and leave a comment stating the latest version that has been tested -- please DO NOT change the Version field on the bug. The LibreOffice QA team Best Regards, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Addressing regressions within a release
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 04:54:36PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: As brought-up by Bjoern during the meeting, it's good for us if we can identify how many regressions have been introduced during the course of a (minor) release series of LibreOffice. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/May_3#PENDING_ITEM:_Regressions_within_a_release One good way to tackle this problem would be to bibisect any bug marked as a regression and try to date it to before the X.X.0 point release. Joel - How much work would it be to bibisect the regressions for each release? Aside from initial triage/repro, what other QA tasks should take priority over this work? fyi: I added the relevant queries to the minutes at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/April_19#NEW_ITEM:_Regressions_within_a_release_.28Bjoern.29 -- its currently some 60 bugs to check. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New text for NEEDINFO Changes
Joel Madero schrieb: This bug has been in NEEDINFO state for more than 180 days Hi, this text IMHO is much too elaborated and prim, please do not use it. If you plan such actions please leave a related description in the Wiki, most here do not have the time to find all scattered info in various threads. Currently I haven't a clue how the text will be used. As personal Mail? As comment in The bug? For comments in the Bug please consider that queries have an important role for bug wrangling, and the text uses several possible key words like regular, information, time, ... Please limit the comment to 1 line + a link to text in the Wiki concerning more info! And BTW, still nobody was able to contribute a plausible explication concerning the benefit of these auto-closes (except hope that some users will contribute more useful info, but my experience is that most of them only write still in version ...) - or did I miss something? CU Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.3 RC1 available
Dear Community, due to a build issue on Mac, that resulted in non-working python extensions, just pushed and published new Mac x86 install sets for 4.0.3 RC1. The source tarballs, lang packs and all other platforms remain unmodified. Apologies for the mistake. With kind regards, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New text for NEEDINFO Changes
Hi Joel, all jmadero wrote On 04/21/2013 10:45 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: this text IMHO is much too elaborated and prim, please do not use it. After long discussions and email threads it seems like *most* people agree that NEEDINFO should be a temporary status Users have some responsibility to help us help them ;) I agree with the three sentences above :) Your nice message has too much information ;) And I agree that 6 months (plus 1 month) is more than enough time to wait for further details. Emptying the queue from the QA side is stimulating for both QA and users (they see something is being done). It should also be stimulating for developers who can see the list of things to-do growing shorter instead of being a never ending, always increasing huge list of items to be solved... Just my 2 or 3 cents ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-New-text-for-NEEDINFO-Changes-tp4051386p4051433.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
