[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

2013-12-05 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 4.2.0, the builds for beta2 are now
available on pre-releases.
besides the usual builds, there are also 64bit builds for Mac
available for testing.

It is the second of two betas  (and thus a LibreOfficeDev build) and
can be installed alongside the stable version.

See

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2#4.2.0_release

for the complete schedule.

Grab the builds from here here:

 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

The builds include the full set of languages - while translation is
not complete, this build contains a first update of translations for
4.2.

If you've a bit of time, please give them a try  report any severe
bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate  them into the
release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to
populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect
feedback.

The list of fixed bugs relative to 4.2.0 beta1 is here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugs-libreoffice-4-2-release-4.2.0.0.beta2.log

So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated  -
and validation that those bugs are really fixed.

Thanks a lot for your help,
Christian
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ownCloud for Bugzilla - IMHO a no go

2013-12-05 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Robinson Tryon wrote on 2013-12-04 09:49:

Hmm...looks like you weren't in cc here -- here's my email :-)


yep. :-) Somehow the QA list is configured to do reply-to mangling, it 
seems, plus overwriting the reply to all.



It's hard to know how big a problem this is because the filesize limit
on bugzilla is absolute, and there's no integrated documentation
telling people to upload large files elsewhere...so some number of
people undoubtedly give up.


Looking at ownCloud, at the sheer number of directories, it seems it 
happens more often, so maybe raising the average limit helps - didn't 
look in detail, though.



IIRC, Rainer set up the wiki page to host files that wouldn't fit in
Bugzilla. I can't recall if the logs indicated that anyone else used
the wiki for this purpose, if documentation was made available, etc.


I assume things have - totally understandable - grown that way. Looking 
now at the SQL issues we are experiencing, databases growing beyond any 
sane limit and so on, it's clear to me that we need to invest more time 
in finding proper tools. :-) For the wiki, I knew it was used that way, 
when I now read ownCloud, I felt the need to jump in...



My strong proposal is therefore to raise the attachment limit in our own
BugZilla instance when it's ready. By that, files are in the same tool, tied
to the same user accounts, and therefore also in the same backup.


  Sounds great to me. I would suggest we have some kind of fallback
  plan, even if it's File too big to upload? Please see if you can
  shrink it in size or compress it before upload. If all else fails,
  please email us at
  bugzilla-attachment-assista...@bugs.libreoffice.org. There will
  always be corner cases, and it might be worth our time to keep an eye
  on them.


I don't know if this can be hacked into BugZilla, but setting up an 
e-mail alias as shared IMAP (or forwarder, though I prefer the IMAP 
approach) is no big deal.



  We are ready on our side to make the migration:
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal

  Cloph passed along word from Tollef that he hopes to get the first
  half done til the weekend, but also mentioned that [Tollef] is
  extremely busy and the migration is still in the planning phase.


Cool, glad we're making progress. Otherwise, everyone is busy before 
Christmas. :-)



  I'd suggest that we add the File too big to upload? message to FDO
  right now, were it not for the fact that such a request would take
  more time away from Tollef.


Indeed...


  So...I don't have a great answer. I guess I'd say punt and hope
  that we get some traction on migration this month.


Given that all proposals I had seem to have drawbacks, my take is: Let's 
raise the attachment size limit in our bugzilla instance then, and add 
the note to the mail address. If that does not work either, we can look 
for another tool. Sounds good?


Florian
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[Libreoffice-qa] 4.1.4rc1 on BZ

2013-12-05 Thread Sophie
Hi,

Could somebody add 4.1.4 rc1 to BZ? thanks in advance

Cheers
Sophie
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ownCloud for Bugzilla - IMHO a no go

2013-12-05 Thread bjoern
Hi,

On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 03:40:13AM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 Sounds great to me. I would suggest we have some kind of fallback
 plan, even if it's File too big to upload? Please see if you can
 shrink it in size or compress it before upload. If all else fails,
 please email us at
 bugzilla-attachment-assista...@bugs.libreoffice.org. There will
 always be corner cases, and it might be worth our time to keep an eye
 on them.

Most people have free webbased email these days and those have a limit on the
attachment size often too (around 8-10MB).

just saying.

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ownCloud for Bugzilla - IMHO a no go

2013-12-05 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 AM, bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 03:40:13AM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 Sounds great to me. I would suggest we have some kind of fallback
 plan, even if it's File too big to upload? Please see if you can
 shrink it in size or compress it before upload. If all else fails,
 please email us at
 bugzilla-attachment-assista...@bugs.libreoffice.org. There will
 always be corner cases, and it might be worth our time to keep an eye
 on them.

 Most people have free webbased email these days and those have a limit on the
 attachment size often too (around 8-10MB).

My thinking was that the email address would be for upload assistance,
not for direct delivery of the attachments to us -- we could tweak the
wording to make that clearer :-)

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ownCloud for Bugzilla - IMHO a no go

2013-12-05 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Robinson Tryon wrote on 2013-12-05 10:24:


Tweaking the attachment dialog (and in particular the error message
when one tries to upload a file bigger than the set limit) should be
straightforward once we have our bugzilla code living in a git
repo...which probably will happen around the same time bugzilla is
migrated to TDF infra.


wonderful! :-)


but setting up an e-mail
alias as shared IMAP (or forwarder, though I prefer the IMAP approach) is no
big deal.


Cool. We can talk particulars in the future...


Ok.


Given that all proposals I had seem to have drawbacks, my take is: Let's
raise the attachment size limit in our bugzilla instance then, and add the
note to the mail address. If that does not work either, we can look for
another tool. Sounds good?


+1 from my side.  I'll make a note of this on the Migration page.


I am _really_ happy we're on the same page here! :)

Florian
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[Libreoffice-qa] Fwd: FreedomSponsors, LibreOffice and Bugzilla

2013-12-05 Thread Sophie
Hi all,

I'm fowarding a mail from FreedomSponsors asking about an add on our
bugzilla system that links to FreedomSponsors site which is a
crouwndfounding plateform. That means that some bugs could be
crowdfounded for their fix (and it seems it already happened for a
LibreOffice bug). I let you discuss if you're interested or not and will
inform Tony of our decision.
Thanks !
Cheers
Sophie


 Original Message 
Subject:FreedomSponsors, LibreOffice and Bugzilla
Date:   Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:33:22 -0200
From:   Tony França tonylamp...@gmail.com
To: i...@documentfoundation.org



Hi, my name is Tony, I'm the founder of freedomsponsors.org
http://freedomsponsors.org - a crowdfunding website for Free/Open
Source Software projects.

In case you never heard of it yet, here's a brief explanation:

FreedomSponsors is a crowdfunding platform for Free and Open Source
projects. Specifically, open source project's _issues_.
It lets anyone place money bounties for open issues that they are
interested, for which payment is required only after the issue is
resolved. If the sponsors are happy with the solution, they pay it
directly to the developer.
We believe our site can help the Free Software cause and bring more
people closer to the developers' communities.
That's the short story. The long story is here [1]
http://freedomsponsors.org/faq.


LibreOffice is driving a decent traction on FreedomSponsors [2]
http://freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?page=1project_id=149s=project_name=LibreOffice/[3]

http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/wine-support-for-libreoffice/, and I
think that's pretty awesome.

We have developed a plugin for Bugzilla [4]
https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-bugzilla-plugin,
that when installed, will add a nice, discrete Sponsor this link on
Bugzilla's bug pages, just below the Importance bit.
Just to illustrate, here's an example of a similar plugin on Jenkins
JIRA - [5] https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-13000.

I'm hoping that LibreOffice will consider adopting it. Do you think
that's a good idea?
If you need anything from FreedomSponsors, just let me know. :-)

Cheers!
Tony

[1] - http://freedomsponsors.org/faq
[2] -
http://freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?page=1project_id=149s=project_name=LibreOffice
[3] - http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/wine-support-for-libreoffice/
[4] - https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-bugzilla-plugin
[5] - https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-13000





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[Libreoffice-qa] Impress crashes, when you use the wizard and select the effect

2013-12-05 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello @ll,
after I reported the slowing down of my system, when I choose 
different effects in Impress a couple of days ago (see 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2013-December/005955.html),
 I discovered, that with LO 4.2.0.0beta2 it 
get even worse ... :(

Steps to reproduce:
1. Start LO
2. Go to File – Wizards – Presentation...
3. Choose From template in the first window (you may need to 
install a template pack, if you have none available there ... ;) )
4. Click Next
5. Choose Screen
6. Click Next
7. Select the effect Venetian Blinds 3D Vertical

Impress crashes ... :(

Discovered with:
LO: Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build ID: 
1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d (parallel installed with 
Germanophone lang- as well as helppack, though it does not depent on 
any language, as the crash happens also, when I switch the UI 
language to en-US ... :( )
OS: Debian Testing AMD64
Java: java version 1.7.0_21
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.9) (7u21-2.3.9-5)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)

If you need any further informatin, feel free to ask :)
Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks for testing
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-12-05 Thread bfoman
Michael Meeks-5 wrote
 * Symbols for Windows releases (Markus)
 + Kendy's tinderbox is now providing the symbols (Kendy)
 +
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@39/symbols/
 + We need it for release builds (Markus)
 [...]
 + provide it but not for every RC
  

Hi!
Thanks a lot. I think it is very important to provide symbols for every
official beta, RC and stable releases. This will allow to contribute
backtraces for those who are willing to help, but are unable to set up
building environment. Please put want-backtrace keyword whenever a trace is
needed.  Also updating links at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg would
be welcomed.


Michael Meeks-5 wrote
 + help Robinson wrt. getting MS Office (Michael)

60-day trial of Office 2013 Professional Plus is available for free download
at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj192782.aspx. Using
Windows 8.1 Enterprise 90-day trial free download from
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/hh699156 you can set up
Windows+Office VM (or easily replaceable dual-boot system when installed as
VHD) for testing or backtracing. Free... for real.

Best regards.




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

2013-12-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net wrote:
 Hi, Norbert,

 as you can read from bug report, I am running it on 10.9, the system that
 majority or at least a big number of LO users on OS X will want to run it
 on.

and as I said below.. I _did_ download the beta2 build to a 10.9 and I
did test it there before uploading.. it worked fine

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress crashes, when you use the wizard and select the effect

2013-12-05 Thread Pedro
Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 7. Select the effect Venetian Blinds 3D Vertical
 
 Impress crashes ... :(

There is no Venetian Blinds 3D Vertical effect under Windows XP, only
Venetian Blinds Vertical but no crash occurs.

BTW why is the effect list sorted in  an almost random order? Wouldn't it be
nicer to have it alphabetically sorted?

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-05 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote:

  * lo
 1st rank. YES!
...
  * lobz
 No, too long. Lobster, anyone?

 From my view of a developer who has to type and squeeze these into the
 alreay short enough commit summary line.

Hi all -- thank you for voting! For those of you who haven't yet
voted...do it! We'll close the voting process at the next QA call.

Here's a quick summary of how the votes have been cast so far:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal#We.27re_now_voting.21.21.21

The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
messages), but by a wide margin the only 4-char abbreviation in the
list has taken an early lead.

--R,
thinking that LObster might not be the worst idea for our mascot :-)
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote:

  * lo
 1st rank. YES!
...
  * lobz
 No, too long. Lobster, anyone?

 From my view of a developer who has to type and squeeze these into the
 alreay short enough commit summary line.

 Hi all -- thank you for voting! For those of you who haven't yet
 voted...do it! We'll close the voting process at the next QA call.

 Here's a quick summary of how the votes have been cast so far:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal#We.27re_now_voting.21.21.21

 The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
 messages),

Yeah, and it is the dev that have to type it a lot, no ?

but by a wide margin the only 4-char abbreviation in the
 list has taken an early lead.
Sure, but if you were to ask that question on the dev-ml rather than
here.. I'd bet you you'd get many more vote for lo#

Norbert

PS: btw I don't see the appeal to want to stick characters in there to
re-inforce the idea that it is a bugzilla number... the # in it is
sufficient enough to make that clear
so the b/bz stuff is not only a waste of space.. but also completely
redundant. it is like climbing up or descending down...
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-05 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:

 The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
 messages),

 Yeah, and it is the dev that have to type it a lot, no ?

Sure -- and people on the Ask site, and QA people in FDO...err
insert abbreviation here, etc..

but by a wide margin the only 4-char abbreviation in the
 list has taken an early lead.
 Sure, but if you were to ask that question on the dev-ml rather than
 here.. I'd bet you you'd get many more vote for lo#

true.

I'd always like to have more devs listening-in on what we talk about
on the QA list...
;-)


 Norbert

 PS: btw I don't see the appeal to want to stick characters in there to
 re-inforce the idea that it is a bugzilla number... the # in it is
 sufficient enough to make that clear
 so the b/bz stuff is not only a waste of space.. but also completely
 redundant. it is like climbing up or descending down...

Fair, fair. One other thing:
The abbreviation has a secondary purpose: to be used as shorthand for
the bugtracker. Using our two highest-profile options:
Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
at regressions on LO
Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
at regressions on LOBZ

--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:

 The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
 messages),

 Yeah, and it is the dev that have to type it a lot, no ?

 Sure -- and people on the Ask site, and QA people in FDO...err
 insert abbreviation here, etc..

sure but the dev need to use the canonical abbreviation because we
have bot that use them to detect association between commit and bugs
that is not the case on Ask for instance

 Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
 at regressions on LO
 Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
 at regressions on LOBZ

How many place could one possibly be looking for 'regression' ... what
confusing meaning lo could have in this context... beside you could
use libreoffice bugzilla or 'salt mines' in that context it would not
matter much... it is human to human interractions... the issue is that
dev have to put stuff in their commit message to talk to Bot
so one cannot be as creative there :-)

Norbert
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[Libreoffice-qa] Annual report on activities

2013-12-05 Thread Sophie
Hi all,

This is the time to prepare our annual report about the so various
activities we have achieved during this year. Florian will then
translate and adapt it to serve as the official report for the Berlin
authorities.

I've prepared a pad here:
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

So please, fill in the activities you've lead during the year, do not
give to many details (it's a report :) but draw the main lines of what
your project has achieved.

Thank you very much in advance for your participation, it's an important
task for our project.
Aside the official report, we can use it also to present our project to
the various publics we meet.

If you have question, please follow up on the projects list.

Kind regards
Sophie
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-05 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
 sure but the dev need to use the canonical abbreviation because we
 have bot that use them to detect association between commit and bugs
 that is not the case on Ask for instance

technically speaking, the bot could recognize lo# as well as lobz#,
but I am strongly of the opinion that we should have just one
abbreviation! :-)


 Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
 at regressions on LO
 Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
 at regressions on LOBZ

 How many place could one possibly be looking for 'regression' ... what
 confusing meaning lo could have in this context... beside you could
 use libreoffice bugzilla or 'salt mines' in that context it would not
 matter much

I think I'll start using 'salt mines' as a euphemism from now on...

... it is human to human interractions... the issue is that
 dev have to put stuff in their commit message to talk to Bot
 so one cannot be as creative there :-)

true, the bots are kind of annoying in that regard :-)

--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

2013-12-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Norbert Thiebaud
 nthieb...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net wrote:
 Hi, Norbert,

 as you can read from bug report, I am running it on 10.9, the system that
 majority or at least a big number of LO users on OS X will want to run it
 on.

 and as I said below.. I _did_ download the beta2 build to a 10.9 and I
 did test it there before uploading.. it worked fine

 Norbert

 I have received the same error message that Martin reports. I'm using
 OS X 10.9. I'll add this to the bug report.


So I downloaded it from the tdf website and I too get the issue..
I will re-upload the correct version and see how it goes

 --Jean
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
 sure but the dev need to use the canonical abbreviation because we
 have bot that use them to detect association between commit and bugs
 that is not the case on Ask for instance

 technically speaking, the bot could recognize lo# as well as lobz#,
 but I am strongly of the opinion that we should have just one
 abbreviation! :-)

Agreed.. no argument there :-)


 I think I'll start using 'salt mines' as a euphemism from now on...

:-D , I thought you'd like it :-)

Norbert
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