Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 29/08/2014 18:04, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Audio support testing with LO on OSX 10.9.4 LO master 4.4.0 own build including libavmediaquicktime library. Can insert : AIF MP3 WAV into a slide in Impress. Preview - nothing plays Fullscreen - nothing plays Can insert a MP4 AAC sound file and it will play in both preview and fullscreen. In comparison, I can't insert any of the four file formats in LO 4.3, I always get an error message - Unsupported format. Thanks -- results of video and audio testing are now up here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Mac_OS_X_AUDIO_Test_Results https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Mac_OS_X_VIDEO_Test_Results Joel is helping to do some testing on Windows 8 with LO 4.3.0 release. Early results look promising for the K-Lite pack. (Jay: Once we have complete testing notes up on the wiki, perhaps we can try to track down what's not working for you) Thanks, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Le 29/08/2014 18:43, Alexander Thurgood a écrit : Further testing : OSX : 10.9.4 LO : own master build 4.4.0 - no VLC build switch Special conditions : removed libavQuickTimelo.dylib from installed application bundle Loaded my test Impress file containing the inserted video files from bug 79546 : Preview : none of the files display a preview still image Preveiw play : none of the files play anything Full screen - none of the files play either video or sound. Note that not even the MP4 file, which is a recognised container and codec by Apple QuickTime 10.3, displays or plays in the LO master build with the quicktime library removed. Also note that when trying to insert a new media, all of the video container formats except for MOV appear to be greyed out, i.e. unselectable. However, although the MOV format file can be inserted : - it displays no preview on the slide, instead a blank object placeholder is displayed ; - the media controls are not displayed when the object is clicked ; - full screen slideshow displays a blank slide with no sound or video. My conclusion from this is that one can not simply remove the libavquicktimelo.dylib library from the LO application bundle and expect it to fallback to the libAVF library. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Le 29/08/2014 18:04, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Audio support testing with LO on OSX 10.9.4 LO master 4.4.0 own build including libavmediaquicktime library. Can insert : AIF MP3 WAV into a slide in Impress. Preview - nothing plays Fullscreen - nothing plays Can insert a MP4 AAC sound file and it will play in both preview and fullscreen. In comparison, I can't insert any of the four file formats in LO 4.3, I always get an error message - Unsupported format. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Robinson Tryon wrote For example, you did a test on OX X 10.9.3 with LO 4.4.0.0 (master) of WebM, and able to insert, preview, and get sound playback. That suggests that your QuickTime (and any added Components) supports - MKV container - Vorbis codec But probably doesn't support - VP8 video codec Does anyone know whether the (any?) media framework provides container support or does a related codec handle both the container AND audio/video streams? I ask because I am worried that having tables on the Media Support page with entries like: File format: MP4 [MP4V/AAC] Video plays?: YES ... is tending toward simplification, particularly in relation to container formats. Unless the audio/video stream encoding in a particular AVI/MPEG/MP4/MKV/etc is known it is difficult to tell if a container format is going to play or not. Some container formats support quite a few different stream encodings (one per stream per file). If the media framework version (e.g., DirectShow included with XP/Vista/7/8) also affects this, then the picture becomes very complicated very quickly (with Apple less so b/c they just seem to drop support for old stuff ;-). Dropping old gstreamer versions is also proving difficult due to a desire to support a wide variety of GNU/Linux versions: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82359 Presumably this affects what containers and stream encodings are supported? Happy to hear what others have to say and whether or not I have gone barking mad. - Best wishes, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Media-Support-in-LibreOffice-tp4119905p4120594.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Robinson Tryon wrote In the future we might want to test with a source from the Prelinger collection at archive.org (or etc..) so that we can redistribute it. I agree. I have tended to use a variety of smaller (filesize) files from various archive.org pages that cover a modest variety of video codecs. The Gnome Shotwell project used to have a freely available redmine containing a good selection of small videos from popular model cameras, video camcorders, and phones, but it seems to have gone offline / behind closed doors. I now find the MPlayer samples repositories to be about the best in terms of codec coverage: http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/ The files are generally not too large and contain good information on what codec is used, especially in container formats. - Best wishes, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Media-Support-in-LibreOffice-tp4119905p4120584.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
jphilipz wrote When it comes to svg, the svg insert library is quite good and constantly improving. When it comes to the svg open library that works in Draw, that one has quite alot of problems from the bug reports i've seen and i havent seen much work going into fixing those bugs. SVG Insert https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78554 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82221 There remain incompatibilities between the SVG and ODF specifications. Outline of the history of these problems here: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/SVG_in_ODF I have tried to collect SVG-related OASIS (ODF) issues in a few posts (#22 and #24) in this forum thread: http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/293 It is also worth noting that SVGs created in Inkscape need to be saved using the non-default Plain SVG file format for accurate compatibility testing as Inkscape extended the SVG format. - Best wishes, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Media-Support-in-LibreOffice-tp4119905p4120581.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
I think could be of interest this link in the TDF planet 2014/08/20 to the blog of Tamas Zolnai: http://zolnaitamas.blogspot.com.es/2014/08/3d-models-in-impress-libreoffice-43.html Miguel Ángel. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Media-Support-in-LibreOffice-tp4119905p4120197.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Robinson Tryon wrote I've created the following wiki page to help to collect and provide information about the status of media support in LibreOffice: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support Thanks for getting this started Robinson. I have made a few minor consistency edits. I note on the linked Quicktime Wikipedia page it states: As of the Mac OS X Lion, the underlying media framework for Quicktime, QTKit, is deprecated in favor of a newer graphics framework, AV Foundation. There seem to have been a number of commits (by Herbert Dürr and Tor Lillqvist) on 2014-05-15 related to this: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?id=8bfbfc06fefb418269734cfb17c70a5ae5a42d2a ... but I am not clear about how (or if) this will affect the end user. Is it worth including links to the official lists of containers / codecs supported by each media framework? They are linked in this AskLO answer: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/854/what-video-formats-does-libreoffice-impress-support/?answer=1451#post-id-1451 - Best wishes, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Media-Support-in-LibreOffice-tp4119905p4119982.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Le 28/08/2014 17:45, Owen Genat a écrit : Hi Owen, File format: MP4 [MP4V/AAC] Video plays?: YES ... is tending toward simplification, particularly in relation to container formats. Unless the audio/video stream encoding in a particular AVI/MPEG/MP4/MKV/etc is known it is difficult to tell if a container format is going to play or not. Some container formats support quite a few different stream encodings (one per stream per file). Yes, you are correct, the table is an over-simplification because it doesn't specify the codec used within the container. The problem is that testing all of the available containers with all of the different possible codecs supported by those containers is currently verging on the impossible. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82359 Presumably this affects what containers and stream encodings are supported? Happy to hear what others have to say and whether or not I have gone barking mad. No, not mad just yet ;-) Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com wrote: ...I now find the MPlayer samples repositories to be about the best in terms of codec coverage: http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/ The files are generally not too large and contain good information on what codec is used, especially in container formats. Thanks -- I've added a section about test media here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Media_for_Tests --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com wrote: (Hmm... looks like some messages are taking a while to reach the list (or at least reach me). I'll look into this) As of the Mac OS X Lion, the underlying media framework for Quicktime, QTKit, is deprecated in favor of a newer graphics framework, AV Foundation. There seem to have been a number of commits (by Herbert Dürr and Tor Lillqvist) on 2014-05-15 related to this: ... but I am not clear about how (or if) this will affect the end user. Did my email yesterday help to clear up some of the confusion? In a nutshell, it sounds like there are two frameworks supported in OS X 10.9: - QuickTime (deprecated) - AVFoundation After the commits by Herbert and Tor, I believe that LibreOffice can use either framework (defaulting to QuickTime, and falling back to AVFoundation). The problem is that as of right now, there's no documentation for adding 3rd party codecs to AVFoundation, so while QuickTime should work for now (This needs more testing), our path forward is unclear. Is it worth including links to the official lists of containers / codecs supported by each media framework? They are linked in this AskLO answer: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/854/what-video-formats-does-libreoffice-impress-support/?answer=1451#post-id-1451 Official lists sound like a good addition to the wiki -- I'll add them! Best, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hi R, I thought it wouldnt make a difference with xiph or ffdshow tryouts as klite already uses ffdshow/lav libraries, and thats what it turned out to be. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/29/2014 02:18 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi R, Any info about Windows from the devs, as i'd like to do some testing for it. Jay -- It would be great if you could test on Windows with the Xiph and 'ffdshow tryouts' codec packs, that would be great. I stubbed-in some notes here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Support_on_Windows Thanks, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Le 29/08/2014 16:19, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Hi Robinson, Thanks -- I've added a section about test media here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Media_for_Tests The comments you attribute to me from IRC were in fact Tor's ;-) I am currently building a new master, and will remove the quicktime AV dylibs and test what is supported and what isn't. I can confirm however that Perian, although it installs, doesn't seem to change anything in the way QuickTime works on OSX 10.9.4. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hello. Is it a good idea to use filter:xxx whiteboard tag for bugs with images? For other media? Best regards, Alexandr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 29/08/2014 16:19, Robinson Tryon a écrit : The comments you attribute to me from IRC were in fact Tor's ;-) Oops! Fixed now :-) I am currently building a new master, and will remove the quicktime AV dylibs and test what is supported and what isn't. Awesome. If I understand the technical situation, that should theoretically still give us support for this stuff: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#QuickTime_default_codec_support I can confirm however that Perian, although it installs, doesn't seem to change anything in the way QuickTime works on OSX 10.9.4. Is that QuickTime Player X, or QuickTime libraries, or? Thanks, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Aleksandr P alexpik...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Is it a good idea to use filter:xxx whiteboard tag for bugs with images? For other media? I think it's generally a good idea. We had some conversations, and the naming got a lot of support from QA. Note that because of some oddities such as having two separate SVG import filters, we end up with filter:svgOpen filter:svgInsert Not ideal, but it's serviceable for now :-) --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Le 29/08/2014 16:19, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Tested today in QuickTime 10.3 with Perian installed : AVI (IV4L codec) WMV (WMV3/WMV9, WMA2) OGV (Xiph Theora, VORBIS) None of the above video containers could be read by QuickTime, with or without Perian. Note that Perian over QT appears as a separate menu entry in the Open with... context menu, howver, it doesn't take Perian's app icon, which indicates that it probably isn't registered properly with QT. This would coincide with other reports that Perian doesn't work on OSX 10.9. All of the above can be played back successfully (full video and audio) by both MPlayerX and VLC independently. I would add that from my limited testing, QuickTime 10.3 on OSX 10.9.4 can convert WebM to MOV on the fly, but the audio gets lost in the process. WEBM (VP8 video, Vorbis audio) - converted on fly, no audio MP4 (H264 video, MP4A audio) - full video and audio playback without conversion. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Alexander Thurgood So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all? No, I've not tested Perian since OSX 10.4 Ok. The posts on the Perian mailing list suggest that 10.9 is a no-go Hi all, I've had a number of great conversations with various developers including Tor, Alex, and Norbert, and now have (I hope) a much better understanding of the situation. For those interested in the details: Even though Apple is deprecating the QuickTime APIs that allow for things such as Perian and other QuickTime Components, the code may stick around for a couple of OS releases. Even if the QuickTime Player X is using AVFoundation in the backend, LibreOffice may be able to continue to use the QuickTime libraries. There are some other possibilities (such as libvlc) that we can investigate for the future, but it's definitely worth it for us to see what's possible on 10.9 right now. Alex -- It would be great to have your test results for a non-VLC-enabled master build on 10.9, both before and after installing Perian and/or the Xiph QT Components: http://perian.cachefly.net/Perian_1.2.3.dmg https://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ Feel free to add those in a table on the wiki, or just let me know via email and I'll make an update to the wiki page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#OS_X_10.9_Codec_Support Thanks! --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hi R, Any info about Windows from the devs, as i'd like to do some testing for it. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/28/2014 09:10 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Alexander Thurgood So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all? No, I've not tested Perian since OSX 10.4 Ok. The posts on the Perian mailing list suggest that 10.9 is a no-go Hi all, I've had a number of great conversations with various developers including Tor, Alex, and Norbert, and now have (I hope) a much better understanding of the situation. For those interested in the details: Even though Apple is deprecating the QuickTime APIs that allow for things such as Perian and other QuickTime Components, the code may stick around for a couple of OS releases. Even if the QuickTime Player X is using AVFoundation in the backend, LibreOffice may be able to continue to use the QuickTime libraries. There are some other possibilities (such as libvlc) that we can investigate for the future, but it's definitely worth it for us to see what's possible on 10.9 right now. Alex -- It would be great to have your test results for a non-VLC-enabled master build on 10.9, both before and after installing Perian and/or the Xiph QT Components: http://perian.cachefly.net/Perian_1.2.3.dmg https://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ Feel free to add those in a table on the wiki, or just let me know via email and I'll make an update to the wiki page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#OS_X_10.9_Codec_Support Thanks! --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi R, Any info about Windows from the devs, as i'd like to do some testing for it. Jay -- It would be great if you could test on Windows with the Xiph and 'ffdshow tryouts' codec packs, that would be great. I stubbed-in some notes here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Support_on_Windows Thanks, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 26/08/2014 21:01, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Are you suggesting that OS X/QuickTime 10.3 is doing on-the-fly transcoding of some content? Yes, it transcodes files on the fly for the formats and codecs that were previously supported in QT 7. Hmmm, interesting. So is QuickTime 10.next going to drop support completely, or? So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all? No, I've not tested Perian since OSX 10.4 Ok. The posts on the Perian mailing list suggest that 10.9 is a no-go: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/perian-discuss/IJk8uZ5sQRY On Oct 27, 2013 12:18 PM, Maxim Rixhon rixho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm writing you because this is impossible to use the codecs of Perian in Mavericks. On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Augie Fackler r...@durin42.com wrote: The direction the media frameworks has been going makes it next to impossible for us to do anything, and it feels like a very poor use of our volunteer programming time. Here are some technical specifics: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/perian-discuss/ZJgkMEhKhPc Graham Booker wrote: To be clear: The issues people are having with the newer OS versions is due to components contained it the OS no longer using the QuickTime library as a first-class citizen. QuickTime Player 7 and NicePlayer still use the QuickTime library as a first-class citizen so playback works there the same as it did on previous OSs. QuickTime Player X and now QuickLook do not. It appears Apple is phasing out QuickTime in favor of the new framework which plays a smaller set of formats. My tests with master 4.4.0 were with my own build on which I used the --enable-vlc switch, and I am assuming it is this that allowed me to have some form of success with those containers. I am waiting for a new build to complete that no longer uses that switch to see whether Michael Meeks' comments on my bug issue alter the results of my tests. Ah yes, I now understand :-) Compiling with the --enable-vlc switch disabled is our default behavior in TDF builds, so we should definitely be testing with that off when trying to diagnose media playback. At least for now. The future of audio/video playback on OS X looks pretty grim right now. If Apple demotes the QuickTime framework in 10.9 and does not mention a path forward for future OS revisions, then we should definitely make plans to find an alternative for multimedia playback. Multiple developers have spoken about problems with our attempts at VLC integration, but VLC or FFmpeg/LibAV sound like our best options going forward. Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Nice synopsis - thanks for including my OSX tests ! Alex -- Do you have the Xiph and Webm QT components installed? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Adding_support_for_an_additional_codec_3 It would be great if you could confirm AVI, WEBM, OGV playback on QuickTime, then re-check in LibreOffice to see which codecs are working in QT but are not working in LO. Thanks! --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: No, unfortunately, I don't have Xiph or WebMQT installed. AVI playback on QT depends on the particular codec used to create the AVI, Apple was never very good at supporting this format and most don't work. Hmm. We should definitely choose some test media from archive.org and use that for consistency in our tests. At present, the video codecs for which support was removed by Apple in QuickTime 10.3 are converted on the fly to Apple's current H264 codec. I'm not sure what you mean: Are you suggesting that OS X/QuickTime 10.3 is doing on-the-fly transcoding of some content? If a user wants read/export support for codecs that were previously supported by Apple, then they can still download QuickTime 7 (for the moment at least, but that'll be pulled soon enough no doubt). If QuickTime 7 is EOL, or is only available on versions of OSX that we are moving away from, then let's ignore that. Any other formats require add-ons, either like the ones you mention for QuickTime, or else separate programs. Perian, despite development and support having stopped, is still reported as working on 10.9 I use Flip4Mac or FlipPlayer for WMV video stuff that QuickTime can't/couldn't handle. I also have VLC and MPlayerX. So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all? AFAIK neither installing VLC nor installing MPlayerX will add codec support to QuickTime, correct? Obviously, if there is no support in QuickTime for the video format you want to play in LO, then you are stuck, because you won't even be able to insert the file, let alone play it back if someone else has given you a file with an unsupported video codec in it. The same goes in general for the audio codec support. To clarify, you're suggesting that one will only be able to insert an audio/video file if the container format is supported by QuickTime, right? For example, you did a test on OX X 10.9.3 with LO 4.4.0.0 (master) of WebM, and able to insert, preview, and get sound playback. That suggests that your QuickTime (and any added Components) supports - MKV container - Vorbis codec But probably doesn't support - VP8 video codec Best, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hi, Le 26/08/2014 21:01, Robinson Tryon a écrit : On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Alexander Thurgood At present, the video codecs for which support was removed by Apple in QuickTime 10.3 are converted on the fly to Apple's current H264 codec. I'm not sure what you mean: Are you suggesting that OS X/QuickTime 10.3 is doing on-the-fly transcoding of some content? Yes, it transcodes files on the fly for the formats and codecs that were previously supported in QT 7. If a user wants read/export support for codecs that were previously supported by Apple, then they can still download QuickTime 7 (for the moment at least, but that'll be pulled soon enough no doubt). If QuickTime 7 is EOL, or is only available on versions of OSX that we are moving away from, then let's ignore that. Yes, ultimately this can't be a long term solution. So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all? No, I've not tested Perian since OSX 10.4 AFAIK neither installing VLC nor installing MPlayerX will add codec support to QuickTime, correct? Correct, they each load their own codec interpretation libraries. Obviously, if there is no support in QuickTime for the video format you want to play in LO, then you are stuck, because you won't even be able to insert the file, let alone play it back if someone else has given you a file with an unsupported video codec in it. The same goes in general for the audio codec support. To clarify, you're suggesting that one will only be able to insert an audio/video file if the container format is supported by QuickTime, right? Yes. For example, you did a test on OX X 10.9.3 with LO 4.4.0.0 (master) of WebM, and able to insert, preview, and get sound playback. That suggests that your QuickTime (and any added Components) supports - MKV container - Vorbis codec My tests with master 4.4.0 were with my own build on which I used the --enable-vlc switch, and I am assuming it is this that allowed me to have some form of success with those containers. I am waiting for a new build to complete that no longer uses that switch to see whether Michael Meeks' comments on my bug issue alter the results of my tests. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Robinson, I have updated the wiki with my finds for Linux and Windows. Thanks! (And thanks to Owen for providing additional information) Alex's Mac findings can be found at https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79546 and pretty much can be summaries as videos can be inserted and a preview will display, but has no playback. So there's no video playback on OSX right now? How about audio -- same problem? Alex did a lot of great testing w/different file formats in bug 79546. I'm going to add that to the wiki in tabular form. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support If someone is interested in performing some cross-platform testing re: image support, it would be great to have that included on the wiki as well. Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation Volunteer Coordinator - LibreOffice Community Outreach qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hey R, To my knowledge image support is pretty much all good (i'm assuming you mean simple image formats like jpg, png, etc), while more complex image formats have minor issues in eps (eps seems to have more problems outside of windows) and wmf (wmf is handled by a library managed by the document liberation team). Below are bugs i've reporter/commented on for the different formats. WMF https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79664 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80503 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80389 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77525 EPS https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80036 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70751 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81592 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71828 When it comes to svg, the svg insert library is quite good and constantly improving. When it comes to the svg open library that works in Draw, that one has quite alot of problems from the bug reports i've seen and i havent seen much work going into fixing those bugs. SVG Insert https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78554 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82221 Regards, Jay Philips On 08/25/2014 07:02 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Robinson, I have updated the wiki with my finds for Linux and Windows. Thanks! (And thanks to Owen for providing additional information) Alex's Mac findings can be found at https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79546 and pretty much can be summaries as videos can be inserted and a preview will display, but has no playback. So there's no video playback on OSX right now? How about audio -- same problem? Alex did a lot of great testing w/different file formats in bug 79546. I'm going to add that to the wiki in tabular form. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support If someone is interested in performing some cross-platform testing re: image support, it would be great to have that included on the wiki as well. Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Jay -- Can you tell me which version of LibreOffice you were using for the GNU/Linux test results in this bug? (Oh, and which input media files you tested would also be appreciated) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Test_Results Thanks, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
