Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Stopping the rubbish
Sveinn í Felli wrote: Þann þri 22.okt 2013 13:11, skrifaði dollyp: Can anyone stop the blizzard of rubbish being posted here and also coming through into my mail box. 44 alone today. Switched list to moderation for non-members temporarily until this is under control. That should deal with it for the moment. FYI. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Impress side pane layout selection
Hi guys, was playing with master Impress today, just *lovely* how the sidebar turned out there, kudos to all involved! Was wondering though, the 'Layout selection' menu is only visible if no object is selected - if you select one, it gets replaced by other stuff in the 'Properties' pane. Thoughts on how to better present that appreciated, it appears hard to discover for users? Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Hide and show slides from custom dialog
[dropping the dev list, this is no code talk currently] Guillermo Molleda Jimena wrote: It would be better to put an option to print a certain custom slide show because could also have been chosen the slides in a different order. Yup, that's what I would suggest - therefore wondering about the new buttons on the custom show dialog. ;) The idea is to distribute to students a PDF (or printing paper) with selected slides for that course. Indeed. But then you'd need to extend the pdf export dialog, presumably? Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Hide and show slides from custom dialog
Guillermo Molleda Jimena wrote: Objective: to print a custom in PDF, hiding the rest of slides and presenting only those chosen. Can anyone help? Hi Guillermo, so you mean, beyond selecting certain slides, within that custom selection, have some 'don't export this to pdf' meta-customization? I think it's something important for teachers with different students, the same base but different levels slide. Wouldn't that work with the custom slide shows itself, i.e. have several different ones, for the various student levels, and then export just the slides in the selected custom show? Can you elaborate a bit more (preferably on the ux-advise list) how the interaction would look like? But I don't know how do it. Beyond the question of the use case, and how to best do it (for which I Cc the ux-advise list), the dialog and code to stick slide subset selections into is: - impress pdf/export page render code: SdXImpressDocument::render() in sd/source/ui/unoidl/unomodel.cxx - pdf export dialog implementation: filter/source/pdf/impdialog.cxx HTH, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Impress : general feed back
Michel RENON wrote: Can it be implemented easily ? Disabling stuff, changing focus etc. is generally easy stuff, that could be done as EasyHacks, or as a group effort e.g. on the upcoming HackFest in Hamburg. Would you want to file a number of bugs for those (provided it is not yet reported), and poke us with the IDs? Thanks a lot for looking closely indeed, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Mass changes to Impress animations - related to fdo#41572
Mirek Mazel wrote: On your original proposal [1], I'm thinking this kind of functionality might be best suited to styles (kind of like CSS animations). Do you think it would be possible to make animations a part of presentation styles? Yup, that would be my thinking - at least technically, it's how I would tie that to master pages (which work from how they apply styles plus background objects to individual slides). As for Michel's proposal, I would love to see the animation pane redesigned, really, but I think that discussion is more appropriate for the design mailing list. Could we move that discussion there? Please. It appears still rather in flux. Also, Janit, Thorsten, would you be willing to work on that redesign? If so, it'd be incredibly useful if you could clarify the scope of the redesign a bit. Or perhaps we could generate a bunch of mockups and create the scope based on them (see which things can be done, which can't). It is unlikely I'll personally be able to commit to larger amounts of time there unfortunately, though would happily help mentoring such an endeavour. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Mass changes to Impress animations - related to fdo#41572
Michel Renon wrote: No, I was referring to the edition of a slide, when an animation is already defined on the lines of text : if you change the content of the text, the animation is not updated. Right - this is a bug. With all your first answers, I started to brainstorm some ideas. I'll begin to mockup them in few days. I'll create a new page on the wiki. Awesome, looking forward! Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Mass changes to Impress animations - related to fdo#41572
Michel Renon wrote:
In order to work on that problem, I would like to have some
technical advise about what can be implemented or not.
Hi Michel,
as a matter of fact (though a bit tongue-in-cheek) - this is software,
so anything goes. The question rather is how much effort is it. ;)
(just to avoid wasting time by designing things that can't be
implemented)
Hmm. So in the past there were a few designs that did not get
implemented immediately - but sat there looking really good, and
eventually inspired someone to hack them up. But I see your
point.
Well this mail is mostly for Thorsten as you're the official mentor
of Impress/Draw.
I'm not - but I happily answer still. :)
- Is it possible to implement some visual changes on objects in slides ?
ex : add some small widget beside (or inside?) an object to indicate
a status or to show a popup to activate some changes. Or have a
special border.
These widgets/borders would be shown via a menu command, or via a
mouse hover, only while designing the slide.
Yes, that is possible - there's a concept called SmartTag in Impress,
that is e.g. used to implement this four-way icon at the presentation
placeholder objects ('insert table/chart/picture/movie'), or for
editing motion path animations. So the base technology for that is
there.
- Is it possible to implement some visual changes on every single
line/ some lines of a textfield ? It's a detailed version of the
previous point : can a line in a textfield have some widget ? or be
drawn with some special border ?
In general yes, though slightly more involved.
- today, the 'animation objects' are linked to object in slides, but
is the reverse also true ?
ie if user modify a slide object, can the animation object be
updated automatically ?
Not sure I get the idea - are you referring to changes e.g. to master
pages, that then translate to all slides using it (that is one aspect
of the original question / task Janit was looking into)?
The answers may have 4 values :
-1- it can be implemented immediately, no changes required in VCL
This one. ~All the work needed is in sd.
And two open questions :
- In this whole subject, what objects are linked to ODF format ?
(ie : what can be changed without changing the file format)
From the above - nothing should affect the file format.
- what are the technical limitations related to animations in Impress ?
Going back to my initial comment - the sky is the limit. Without
concrete questions though, hard to answer specifically. ;)
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Mass changes to Impress animations - related to fdo#41572
Hi guys, Janit was volunteering to look into https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41572 and is struggling a bit how to best achieve that. The bug report there muddles a few things up it seems, it is also not entirely clear what should happen if one assigns a new master page to an existing slide. Another idea Janit was pondering is to not use the master page concept, but rather provide bulk-assignment options in the custom animation pane (comparable to the slide transitions - selected slides in the slide sorter get the effect). Though clearly that needs some fleshing-out. Would someone here want to work with him to come up with a nice workflow for this very useful feature? Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice required on auto text resize (Impress)
Hi there, several partial answers to points from various people. Disclaimer: I'm the original author of this feature, so at least I can tell you the reasons for why the feature behaves as-is today. ;) Muthu Subramanian wrote: Currently the text font size box in the toolbar displays the originally set font size even when the font size is reduced because of 'Auto fit' One of our users requested the behavior where the text font size is changed when the autofit size changes the text size. For me the most important reason for the _status quo_ is the fact that indeed the text stays formatted with the font size as stated in the drop-down. When you resize the text box, the text grows larger - but *only* up until the font size as you see it in the UI. When you copy paste the text, again it will bear the font size as shown in the drop-down. So it is at least useful information (bear with me a little bit, on whether it is necessary information as well). Muthu Subramanian wrote: Just to brainstorm a little more: How would it be if autofit was an option rather than a property? E.g. Users click on autofit - it fits the text accordingly, but when users add more text or remove text it just behalves normally? Of course, autofit can also be implemented on-request, i.e. a text overflows the box, user clicks auto-fit, Impress calculates necessary font size shrink applies hard formatting. That is a bit lacking, at least for power users, since: * reading the document on another machine that does not have the font used might end up with wrapped lines or overflow again * the text now bears hard formatting, and will no longer adapt to style changes in general, and applying different master pages in particular. this currently works very nicely, when in crunch mode in front of a presentation, having to apply the new Corporate slide template - if your text has auto-fit on, you get nicely fitting content (albeit at potentially different sizes) * we'd at least have to internally be able to round-trip that stuff for PowerPoint, i.e. the code for treating this as a property will have to stay, anyway. Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: I think this autofit feature is very disturbing if you are not aware of it. Granted - so how to best display that? PowerPoint has a little icon next to the textboxes that have this enabled. From my point of view it should be removed because if what you are writing does not fit in the available room, you should write less words or add room (split the text on another slide), but not write smaller when what you are writing is intended to be viewed on a projection screen. I'm afraid but trying to educate users by taking away options might end you up simply being replaced by another, more feature-full offering these days Before getting deeper into the rather broad question of which features are useful or not, for this thread, I think it would be most helpful to improve the existing feature towards better usability. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten pgp4mn0sMesaC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Repo / place for original artwork files (was: Re: [PUSHED] Make new About dialogue a little nicer)
Alexander Wilms wrote: just an idea: Could we use the old artwork repository that's not used anymore? http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/artwork/ Nah, let's not do that. We can't kill the old content there, and playing games with unrelated branches is not so very clean. If you'd like a repo on fdo, let's create a new one. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpBWGunc1qs5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Review-3-6?] New artwork for 3.6
Stefan Knorr wrote: Currently, about.svg is unused. I was asked, however, to re-enable it, as a matter of treating new contributors contributions better. I will not come to doing this today (i. e. before RC1 is tagged). If about.svg were used, it would be the same across all version of LibreOffice (at least the official TDF one and the community version). Ok, cool - so we can remove it from the tdf-branding configure magic. BTW, I've attached attached a patch for a new Finder background for the Mac installer. It'd be great if you could see if it fits or if there is weird alignment etc. Looks good here, will push to master -3-6 in a minute. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpy0sxmIYTu4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Review-3-6?] New artwork for 3.6
Stefan Knorr wrote: Also, feel free to fetch the tar.bz2 archives from the previous mail, they're now good to go. Thanks, using them - though it seems they miss the about.svg (background image) - then again, that seems unused from the code by now? Can that go, and the configure check too? Meanwhile I'm using icon-themes/galaxy/brand/shell/about.svg for the 'branded' version too. Hi Astron, rc1 builds are approaching - should we simply stick the plain about.svg into the tarballs go with that? I somehow lost the plot on this one - or can we remove references to that image from the code? Thanks a lot, -- Thorsten pgp9UrWjvCpJo.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Where do the official splash screens etc. lie?
Stefan Knorr wrote: Since we will want to replace them in the near future, can you tell me where they are? http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/src/tdf-branding.tgz Another question: since Asa Dotzler from Mozilla criticised LibO for using TDF logos in the installer (which really doesn't make much sense from a branding perspective) ... I think it might be a good idea to replace these images too – where are these and how large do they have to be? Well, which ones are you talking about? Windows installer? Those are mostly here: instsetoo_native/res Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpRFaRjWJZs6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Repo / place for original artwork files (was: Re: [PUSHED] Make new About dialogue a little nicer)
Petr Mladek wrote: I prefer the new version as well, so pushed into master. It will be in the 3-6 branch. Hi guys, great stuff, nice fresh look! :) Somewhat tangential to that, I'd like to trigger a decision-making process on where to store original artwork files (svg I presume, for the most). With the above patch, and some icon theme reworks, we now have svg graphics in git, that is, version-controlled. At the same time, we've historically kept them archived in the wiki (version-controlled as well via mediawiki revisions): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements I have no personal preference, other than the fact that it would be nice to standardize on one default, authoritative place. And even more tangential: please remember, for all artwork bearing The Document Foundation, that we typically need two versions of that - one official, with the TDF tagline, for use from 'TDF-approved' artifacts, and one without, for default, community-provided items. I can do easy things like simply removing the tagline myself, it just sometimes looks better to then slightly adjust the remaining graphics for size, aspect ratio etc. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpszf2owBjGD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Keep-ratio behaviour
Michael Meeks wrote: Anyhow - just to split the mails up so we can reach a clear conclusion quicker. I love your idea to re-use keep ratio (it is worth checking if this is serialized in the file format for objects too I guess, or if this is some UI artifact). It's not - it's global application state (i.e. the dialog show it off when last time you had deselect it, and vice versa). Shouldn't be too hard to have it default to keep, if the image aspect ratio matches the image's preferred size aspect ratio (most, but not all, images contain that info). Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpoK7H8QuAl8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Re-sizing handles ...
Michael Meeks wrote: There are four modes: small, large, small/3D, large/3D. Writer's scanner tool uses small square black handles, but I am not sure if these are graphics. Additionally, in Draw/Impress, there are at least another four handles (corner, side vertical, side horizontal, center) for rotating and a further two (node, direction of node) for manipulating vector lines, all are also available in four modes (small, small/3D, large, large/3D). So - Thorsten - is there really any good reason for all these handle modes ? At some point in time, one platform wanted larger handles, while the other kept smaller ones. The rest, as they say, is history. It would be great if all of the four modes could be unified (with handles nominally the same size as the current large handles [8*8]) with all of the related options removed. I'd -love- to add an easy hack for that, it shouldn't be that hard. I just wonder if there is indeed any legitimate reason at all for all that complexity. Much of that could go, if you ask me. Whether it makes sense to have different handles for Draw, Impress Writer is best left to UX advise, I'd say. If not, I'll knock together an easy hack with code pointers for this. Go for it! :) Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpfiPLXvUBWG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] writer: link frames ...
Olivier Hallot wrote: I have one more suggestion: the same link mechanism as in writer for frames in Draw. Is it an easy hack as well? Nope. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgp2cDGzPgyOx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] 256x256 application icons ...
Michael Meeks wrote: Do we have easy-to-grok collect, split svgs of each of the icons ? Yep - svg with labels groups for easy png generation is here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpVCvYhVgbA4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
