[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 127801] SCROLLING: Optimal View Zoom Moves Left-Right, with no convenient means to recenter the view
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127801 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org Keywords|needsUXEval | Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #22 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Y from comment #21) > 720x900 window Optimal View = 96%, Page Width = 80% (81% adds the scrollbar). To make my point clear: zooming in is a well-known function that always affects the scroll area. And I'm against spoiling generic features. Of course I do understand your problem and suggest to consider a different solution. Either by changing the workflow (full-screen) or by tweaking some other option such as Hide Whitespace affecting also the left and right margins. Removing needsUX for now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 127801] SCROLLING: Optimal View Zoom Moves Left-Right, with no convenient means to recenter the view
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127801 --- Comment #21 from Y --- Herr Tietze: Please correct your logic: TWO windows side by side on a 1440x900 display means 720x900 window. Continue with your math from there. Single window / full screen is a different use case. The user here, and the user in bug 37817 need TWO windows side by side, and as Mr. Foote remarked here and in the bug 37817 thread, this is and remains a VALID ENHANCEMENT. I understand your preference, Herr Tietze. Answer this: what is the point of a UX designer if the UX is already "perfect" and the UX designer sees "no room for improvement?" I do not agree with your preference, because my concern is that your intention is to bury the TWO windows side-by side use case that is oh so disturbing to your picture-perfect UX view. UX designers' role is to listen to the users, not to protect the status quo. Your motivation clouds your judgment. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 127801] SCROLLING: Optimal View Zoom Moves Left-Right, with no convenient means to recenter the view
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127801 --- Comment #20 from Heiko Tietze --- Created attachment 158168 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=158168=edit Optimal view vs page width Window is 1440x900, Optimal View with 140% minimizes the document margins while Page Width and 120% is the maximum without a scrollbar. I don't see an advantage of either removing one of the two option or tweaking the number. You can always read documents in full-screen, you can hide white-space (and we can talk about also hiding the horizontal margins in this mode though users request rather the opposite in bug 130023 and bug 126868), and you could temporarily switch to another page style without margins. For now I would rather make this a duplicate of 37817. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 127801] SCROLLING: Optimal View Zoom Moves Left-Right, with no convenient means to recenter the view
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127801 --- Comment #19 from Y --- Thanks V Stuart Foote for drawing my attention to bug 37817. Generally, I see the scroll bar requirement for off-canvas elements. Your expert input confirm what I did not know but suspected at comment 15 when I stated that a suggestion depends on whether horizontal scrolling is desirable in Optimal View. Where access to off-canvas elements is required, horizontal scrolling is obviously not just desirable, but also necessary. Question is: can one of the zoom modes be dedicated to the case when the user deliberately decides not to access off-canvas elements by selecting said zoom mode? I cannot volunteer technical suggestion on the specific implementation as I know practically nothing of LibreOffice internals. Not sure that extra clicking or GUI action should be necessary. I'd rather prefer the document to ignore the (unintended) horizontal movements on the touchpad. I can volunteer that semantically, "Optimal View" makes me think of the most readable view (so: largest fonts / optimization of horizontal space to show only the text between the margins, knowing that I would see only parts of the off-canvas elements) with the most scrolling comfort (so: guided vertically). A follow-up question is whether there needs to be an extra action to exit this kind of "guardrail scrolling mode" or the selection of any other zoom mode in the menu is sufficient? Assuming that the guardrail mode is implemented, either in lieu of Optimal View or as an additional zoom mode. As for the duplicate status, I will leave the decision to you, as you manage development and this analysis is input to your development work. Do what makes your life easier, and let me know what I can contribute. There is definitely overlap. It is also kind of daunting to see that bug 37817 has been around for so many years. Optimal Zoom as it stands today *almost* does the job. What is it that makes it so difficult to lock horizontal scrolling? I do not mind the horizontal bars remaining on screen (the optimization is horizontal). I just do not want my clumsy touchpad movement to scroll the document out of the horizontal optimum position. Thanks again. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 127801] SCROLLING: Optimal View Zoom Moves Left-Right, with no convenient means to recenter the view
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127801 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|SCROLLING: Optimal View |SCROLLING: Optimal View |Zoom Moves Left-Right |Zoom Moves Left-Right, with ||no convenient means to ||recenter the view -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
