[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) changed: What|Removed |Added CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists | |.freedesktop.org, | |t...@libreoffice.org | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377
--- Comment #24 from Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) ---
(In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #22)
> I'm not German native but reading initial description tdf#131510, it seems
> the goal was just to replace:
> - autocorrect dßa -> daß
> by
> - autocorrect dßa -> dass
>
Yes - so it fixes a spelling mistake ("daß") and a key sequence problem
("dßa"). Not having the daß -> dass fixup in is then massively inconsistent.
Look at the contents of extras/source/autocorr/lang/de/DocumentList.xml - the
idea here is to correct common mistakes on the fly.
We can debate the usefulness and scope of autocorrects, but not for this one
narrow change. That's for the UX project.
Discussing the change per se (dass or daß) needs to happen in the original bug
report, better even on the German project list
https://de.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ as its a language /
localisation issue.
Un-Cc-ing myself and ux-discuss. Let's move this discussion where it belongs
(I'm listening on all three mentioned venues).
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 Dirk W. changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|WONTFIX |FIXED --- Comment #23 from Dirk W. --- @Thorsten: OK, already alone, because you express yourself so politely, I leave the bug state on "RESOLVED WONTFIX". The quote from the Duden is of course heavy artillery, but their statement – even if it comes from the Duden editors – that “since then the spelling *daß is no longer correct” is misleading, because the spelling of daß/dass has nothing to do with “correctness” but “validity”, and valid are just still both spellings, even if the reformed spelling is binding in schools and administrations. But maybe Julian’s hint/tip is the right one (which I can’t judge, because I know very little or nothing about programming). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 --- Comment #22 from Julien Nabet --- (In reply to Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) from comment #20) > Dirk, please don't reopen this bug again. > > We can't make everyone happy here, so we go with what schools, pupils & the > majority of Germans will need. There's no académie française in Germany, but > there's the defacto standard, and that one is very unambiguous about 'daß': > https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/das-oder-dass ... I'm not German native but reading initial description tdf#131510, it seems the goal was just to replace: - autocorrect dßa -> daß by - autocorrect dßa -> dass but your patch also added the problematic (at least here): (in addition to: ) What about just removing ? so tdf#131510 is still ok and this one will be ok too? Those who want to replace traditional German by the other one can just add this line since the ones who want to keep traditional German can't remove it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 Ming Hua changed: What|Removed |Added CC|ming.v@qq.com | --- Comment #21 from Ming Hua --- Dear Dirk, (In reply to Dirk W. from comment #11) > @Ming Hua: I have looked at your picture and I am surprised that you have a > “daß”. This is not the case with me (see attachment). My suggestion to you is to concentrate on solving this problem so that you can easily remove the daß -> dass entry for you own installation, instead of trying to revert the patch for everyone. Meanwhile as a mere QA person who doesn't speak German, I think I've done everything I can here and don't want to be dragged into long discussion about German spelling or AutoCorrect feature. Un-CCing myself. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #20 from Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) --- Dirk, please don't reopen this bug again. We can't make everyone happy here, so we go with what schools, pupils & the majority of Germans will need. There's no académie française in Germany, but there's the defacto standard, and that one is very unambiguous about 'daß': https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/das-oder-dass Telesto's musings about the defaults (and autocorrect in general) are worth discussing in the UX project, but not in scope for this very narrowly phrased bug report. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 --- Comment #19 from Dirk W. --- The problem is, among other things, that the forced change from “daß” to “dass” cannot be undone via the Replace-list. Exactly this “effect” seems to have been the goal of the patch. A normal user like me cannot get rid of this special autocorrection from “daß” to “dass”. (I already tried to enter “dass” -> “daß” in the Replace-list, but this substitution was not taken over). The user has only the possibility to do completely without such a list – whether original or modified afterwards. And just to be able to switch off this unnecessary autocorrection from “daß” to “dass”, having to do without the complete Replace-list right away, simply cannot be the “side effect” of a patch that is not necessary anyway. So what is the purpose of this patch, if it can neither be switched off nor is needed, but instead considerably hinders the users of traditional spelling? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139377] AutoCorrect in LO-Writer changes as from version 7.0.4.1 forcibly “daß” (traditional German spelling rules) to “dass” (reformed German spelling rules)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139377 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Keywords||needsUXEval --- Comment #18 from Telesto --- Adding UX for some input and a decision; but that's my take. If it doesn't belong at UX please rectify -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
