Re: Support RMS

[Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss]

On 12/04/2021 19:17, Jean Louis wrote:

* Adrienne G. Thompson  [2021-04-12 20:34]:


  As the lies are still being told and not-at-all-proven accusations
  go
  on, I thought it's good to mention the
  [1]https://stallmansupport.org site.
  It has a link to the support letter and also includes good articles
  from
  Nadine Strossen, Hannah Wolfman-Jones, Sylvia Paull, Renata Avila,
  and
  Leah Rowe.


Very good one, when I read those noble and well written articles, I
feel injustice and sorrow for what happened to a person of good
will. He does not even defend himself by himself, though he could
easily sue and win for various offenses committed against RMS.

So much factless defamatory statements have been made, and this
website remedies it all with factual references and demonstration of
the truth.

Jean

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Can you easily sue people who are backed by multi billion dollar 
companies,  or more to the point sue and win.


The Free software community is, after all , a community of people who 
care about the cause,  that potentially makes us more powerful as we 
have a voice and we can, if we try come together in a show of strength.


Let big companies waste money suing each other,  lets spend what funds 
we have on promoting the cause, see legal action as a last resort,   Our 
collective actions can counter defamation easily by posting and 
spreading the truth.


Paul



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Re: Support RMS

[Jean Louis]

* Adrienne G. Thompson  [2021-04-12 20:34]:
> 
>  As the lies are still being told and not-at-all-proven accusations
>  go
>  on, I thought it's good to mention the
>  [1]https://stallmansupport.org site.
>  It has a link to the support letter and also includes good articles
>  from
>  Nadine Strossen, Hannah Wolfman-Jones, Sylvia Paull, Renata Avila,
>  and
>  Leah Rowe.

Very good one, when I read those noble and well written articles, I
feel injustice and sorrow for what happened to a person of good
will. He does not even defend himself by himself, though he could
easily sue and win for various offenses committed against RMS.

So much factless defamatory statements have been made, and this
website remedies it all with factual references and demonstration of
the truth.

Jean

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Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman
https://stallmansupport.org/
https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ 


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Re: Support RMS

[Ali Reza Hayati]

Thank you very much Adrienne.

I would appreciate it if other people spread the word too.

On 12/04/2021 22:02, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:



As the lies are still being told and not-at-all-proven accusations go
on, I thought it's good to mention the https://stallmansupport.org
 site.
It has a link to the support letter and also includes good articles
from
Nadine Strossen, Hannah Wolfman-Jones, Sylvia Paull, Renata Avila, and
Leah Rowe.

Many people are still repeating lies so it's still needed to work to
protect our community from being a place for organizations abuse their
power.


Thank you Ali. A GNU colleague alerted me to the site days ago. I've 
been tweeting to spread the word.


Adrienne
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 1. GNU C-Graph - http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph

 2. Code Art Now - http://codeartnow.com 
 3. Abertheid Campaign - http://www.abertheid.info

 4. Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
 5. Let's Link Up: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/







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Re: Support RMS

[Adrienne G. Thompson]

 As the lies are still being told and not-at-all-proven accusations
 go
 on, I thought it's good to mention the
 [1]https://stallmansupport.org site.
 It has a link to the support letter and also includes good articles
 from
 Nadine Strossen, Hannah Wolfman-Jones, Sylvia Paull, Renata Avila,
 and
 Leah Rowe.
 Many people are still repeating lies so it's still needed to work to
 protect our community from being a place for organizations abuse
 their
 power.

   Thank you Ali. A GNU colleague alerted me to the site days ago. I've
   been tweeting to spread the word.
   Adrienne
   --
   Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
   References:
1. GNU C-Graph - [2]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
2. Code Art Now - [3]http://codeartnow.com
3. Abertheid Campaign - [4]http://www.abertheid.info
4. Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
5. Let's Link Up: [5]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/

References

   1. https://stallmansupport.org/
   2. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
   3. http://codeartnow.com/
   4. http://www.abertheid.info/
   5. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
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Re: GFDL license help

[Jean Louis]

* quil...@riseup.net  [2021-04-12 17:21]:
> Ali Reza Hayati  writes:
> 
> > I don't want to use those licenses again. I'm trying to avoid any
> > organization that signed RMS' resignation letter. I still contribute
> > to communities' works but I won't be using or contributing to any
> > organization that signed the RMS/FSF open lying letter.
> 
> Me too. I will avoid promoting any project which does not openly support
> Richard Stallman.

Maybe you meant, when it openly defame RMS.

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Re: Helping new contributors

[Tobias Platen]

On Fri, 2021-04-09 at 09:04 -0400, Suushi via libreplanet-discuss
wrote:

I have never used Discord, but you can use Jami as a replacement.

> > > > By doing this ourselves, as advocates of free software, we can
> > > > include links to why free software methologies are better, even
> > > > if
> > > > we have to be a little flexible in what we use for support and
> > > > communication, Discourse my not be ideal, but would we rather
> > > > people
> > > > used facebook or discord?
> > > 
> > > Of course not Facebook. It is very easy to establish XMPP chat,
> > > it can
> > > be on the website or by using various applications, it will work
> > > from
> > > any device. There are other free software communication packages.
> > > 
> > > > My support group is about respecting privacy /user freedom as
> > > > much
> > > > as possible.
> > > 
> > > In that case how can you use Facebook as a tool? Do you know that
> > > FB
> > > data has been leaked for 522 millions?
> > 
> > I am saying i am not going to use facebook hence I want to use 
> > discourse, irc, etc,   My point is, that while discourse may not be
> > 100 
> > percent free software  it s better than facebook.
> > > https://hyperscope.link/3/6/8/5/8/Direct-download-of-533M-Facebook-users-phone-numbers-and-personal-data-have-been-leaked-online-36858.html
> 
> Are you kidding? Facebook is obviously evil, but discord is a nonfree
> spyware program that you pretty much *need* to install on your
> computer
> in order to utilize it's full functionality. That means you must
> leave
> it running in the background in order to get notifications, see
> messages and receive calls while you're going about your daily
> business
> on the computer, and it is basically this black box that is just
> sitting there listening and recording the processes running on your
> machine. It is made and used by scoundrels and anything you say on
> there, text or voice, you ought to assume to be logged and recorded.
> It is very much still social media, with all the negative aspects of
> facebook and others intact. It ropes in young people and gets them
> addicted to the dopamine from the social stimulation and it's hard to
> detach from it once all your 'net friends are on there (speaking from
> experience). They may use "gamer speak" or whatever in their program
> or
> their twitter for PR, but don't let it fool you, discord is not your
> friend and friends don't let friends use discord.
> 
> I would suggest you refer to this article, it covers some of the
> things
> I have mentioned. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html
> 
> Why should we or anyone concede to the enemy and compromise our
> principles to use something awful like discord for the sake of
> short-term convenience? That is a terrible quagmire to get stuck in
> --
> not only are you sacrificing your own freedom and privacy for
> immediate
> convenience, but you are coercing others into doing the same, and it
> is
> possible that you or those other people become addicted to the
> dopamine
> rush from other "servers" on discord!
> 
> Why not just start a channel on freenode? It's trivial to do so and
> have people unfamiliar with IRC connect using a web-based client,
> once
> they are more comfortable with the protocol they can install a real
> client. It's sort of a n00b filter as well -- IRC may look
> intimidating
> (to some people) at first, but isn't anything difficult once you get
> used to it.
> 
> If you absolutely *must* have voice communications for some reason,
> there is always mumble.
> 
> It's easy to tell which software projects are worth taking seriously,
> just look at whether they use IRC or discord.
> 


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Re: GFDL license help

[Jean Louis]

* Ali Reza Hayati  [2021-04-10 14:30]:
> I don't want to use those licenses again. I'm trying to avoid any
> organization that signed RMS' resignation letter.

Did Creative Commons do that?

Well license is license, it does not matter, you may get some images,
clipart under Creative Commons and you need to release it. License is
created by organization, but you do not receive it from organization,
you receive it from the author.

You do not need to hyperlink to Creative Commons, you can place
license on your own server and hyperlink it to there.

> I still contribute to communities' works but I won't be using or
> contributing to any organization that signed the RMS/FSF open lying
> letter.

Good choice, thanks. I have said the same to EFF directly.

> But, Jean was right anyways. My blog publishes my personal views so
> I shouldn't be letting people to modify my personal views. I updated
> my license to verbatim copying and redistribution.

That was used before on GNU pages on philosophy mostly, and there may
be some pages still using that license.

Please see here:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#VerbatimCopying

The exact wording how I gave it to you, I also use for opinions. But
would I release instructions like something about software, opinion on
functions of Emacs Lisp, methods of management of databases or
similar, I release that under GFDL.

Jean

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Re: Carefully written essay asking for proportionality for rms

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto via libreplanet-discuss]

Hi Miroslav!  Good morning from Brazil.

Em [2021-04-08 qui 15:45:54+0200], Miroslav Rovis escreveu:

> After 69 minutes, my mail does not show on:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-04/index.html

I did receive an email of yours from 08 Apr 2021 14:36:58, but I just
take a long time to reply.  I apologize.  And I suppose the mailing list
archives have a delay too.

> Thanks for this work.

You are welcome.

> I read it the first time you posted in this list.

I didn’t remember I had already posted it on this list.

> Firstly, I am unable to view much of
> https://gitlab.com/jorgemorais/justice-for-rms
> Apparently, gitlab.com does not support my Pale Moon browser.

I didn’t know about that.  I am considering getting out of gitlab.com.
But what exactly happens when you try to view my page on Pale Moon?  And
for curiosity: why do you use Pale Moon instead of GNU IceCat or even
Firefox?

> On this second reading, I found, insofar, that there appears to be a
> (probably) new link, but it does not work:
> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=fIK5st2s3kA

In the latest version that link was removed anyway (the article was too
long and a bit hard to follow, so I am summarizing it).  Anyway, next
time I provide a link to Invidious, I will include a footnote; and in
the footnote, I will provide a link to the video on
the  service.

> Maybe if there be a way to do gradual translation, just as if it were a way to
> somehow further section your work so that, say, a casual reader can only read 
> a
> complete but short part, and the translator can, at first, translate just that
> complete short part, and the info that get/provide-by-translation is still not
> partial?  And then you offer all the details separately because all those
> details are worthy.

Thank you for the suggestion.  I will think about it.  A complementary
approach could be moving more details into footnotes.

Regards

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Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS

[Jean Louis]

* Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
 [2021-04-09 16:36]>

> I know that it also depends on the font size, since for example,
> visually impaired people (e.g.: with monocular vision) have to
> either use a text-to-speech software or rely on a setting to enlarge
> only the text font size for the entire system, which also changes
> how much width an email client has to decide if it will use an
> horizontal scroll bar or do a soft line wrap. Avoiding such arts not
> only helps visually impaired but also leaves more space to convey
> other messages.

Reason why somebody cannot see proper order of letters is that they
view email as HTML which uses fonts that are not of equal width, that
is why it comes out misaligned.

I do believe helping visually impaired or hearing impaired or
otherwise impaired users should be assisted by computer software. We
do not have much of it available really.

> This is why I particularly don't find text art useful in text-based
> communications, specialy when there is a chance that a blind person
> is viewing it (since they have hard time understanding “:)” and
> “:relaxed:” since these aren't localized to their language, but “☺”
> is).

Maybe there is no standard language for all the world.

And if that person can hear, it is easy to ask a friend.

There was a man who was alwayas in wheelchair, he had no problem
associating with anybody and directing teenagers to lift him, move him
up the stairs and similar. 

I also believe that blind literate persons may be way more attentive
and prone to understand than a non-blind one that consciously or
unconsciously pretend to be apt to understand.

Experience from a project to help people communicate better and safer
by using free software applications tells me that majority of people
who can read, who did face the project, cannot read. This relates to
one particular group of 1000+ people in East Africa. They can read in
the sense that they can understand letters and read some words, and
understand many words, but understanding it really is hard for
majority, though they may be English speakers in physical real
life. Majority of those English speakers never read a book like Tom
Sawyer, or any other popular English book, unspoken of reading popular
books, or comics, books almost do not exist and there is no habit in
society and families to read books. This makes one large number of
people impaired to read though they do speak the language and
occasionally write it in the SMS.

That is why each reader application shall have direct access to local
dictionary, from each single word wherever possible, each editor
should have possibility to access dictionary from each word. GNU Emacs
has recently inclued M-x dictionary command that helps users to find
definitions for words, and there are many other packages.



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Re: Helping new contributors

[Suushi via libreplanet-discuss]

> >> By doing this ourselves, as advocates of free software, we can
> >> include links to why free software methologies are better, even if
> >> we have to be a little flexible in what we use for support and
> >> communication, Discourse my not be ideal, but would we rather people
> >> used facebook or discord?
> > 
> > Of course not Facebook. It is very easy to establish XMPP chat, it can
> > be on the website or by using various applications, it will work from
> > any device. There are other free software communication packages.
> > 
> >> My support group is about respecting privacy /user freedom as much
> >> as possible.
> > 
> > In that case how can you use Facebook as a tool? Do you know that FB
> > data has been leaked for 522 millions?
> 
> I am saying i am not going to use facebook hence I want to use 
> discourse, irc, etc,   My point is, that while discourse may not be 100 
> percent free software  it s better than facebook.
> > 
> > https://hyperscope.link/3/6/8/5/8/Direct-download-of-533M-Facebook-users-phone-numbers-and-personal-data-have-been-leaked-online-36858.html

Are you kidding? Facebook is obviously evil, but discord is a nonfree
spyware program that you pretty much *need* to install on your computer
in order to utilize it's full functionality. That means you must leave
it running in the background in order to get notifications, see
messages and receive calls while you're going about your daily business
on the computer, and it is basically this black box that is just
sitting there listening and recording the processes running on your
machine. It is made and used by scoundrels and anything you say on
there, text or voice, you ought to assume to be logged and recorded.
It is very much still social media, with all the negative aspects of
facebook and others intact. It ropes in young people and gets them
addicted to the dopamine from the social stimulation and it's hard to
detach from it once all your 'net friends are on there (speaking from
experience). They may use "gamer speak" or whatever in their program or
their twitter for PR, but don't let it fool you, discord is not your
friend and friends don't let friends use discord.

I would suggest you refer to this article, it covers some of the things
I have mentioned. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html

Why should we or anyone concede to the enemy and compromise our
principles to use something awful like discord for the sake of
short-term convenience? That is a terrible quagmire to get stuck in --
not only are you sacrificing your own freedom and privacy for immediate
convenience, but you are coercing others into doing the same, and it is
possible that you or those other people become addicted to the dopamine
rush from other "servers" on discord!

Why not just start a channel on freenode? It's trivial to do so and
have people unfamiliar with IRC connect using a web-based client, once
they are more comfortable with the protocol they can install a real
client. It's sort of a n00b filter as well -- IRC may look intimidating
(to some people) at first, but isn't anything difficult once you get
used to it.

If you absolutely *must* have voice communications for some reason,
there is always mumble.

It's easy to tell which software projects are worth taking seriously,
just look at whether they use IRC or discord.

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Re: Helping new contributors

[Jean Louis]

* Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss  
[2021-04-09 14:08]:
> Hi All
> 
> In an effort to try and recruit and importantly help find more developers at
> all levels I am trying to reach out to people locally.
> 
> I think what is needed here, is a clearly laid out pathway in to free
> software contribution using free software tools.

Which software in particular?

> So for example, a project needs to make it clear which programming languages
> / frameworks or skills are needed, from there we can find ways to helping
> learners develop those skills

I would not say so, as it is not a company with limited resources. We
are society and we contribute our knowledge and skills as we wish and
want, thus there is no limit in our resources. That is why it is not
good to say in free software projects that specific skills or
programming languages are needed.

Instead, welcoming everybody's contribution is better approach. This
is how it was done for many years. This process then helps that some
people give only suggestions, some people will donate, some will
become fans and promoters, some will contribute patches, and some will
enter into core development teams.

My suggestions is not to say which skills or programming languages are
needed. But I understand you are browsing list of programmers and wish
to ask them to contribute.

Then think about specific project and find yourself what is required,
and try to find people that way.

> How can we take people from having some basic IT knowledge and then
> help them develop further, without it taking up masses of our time
> (unless people pay us of course)

Simple. Open up computer club. Put several computers, advertise and
people will come from the area to learn. Ask them to pay memberships
and come as many times as they wish and want. This is great activity,
I have been doing it.

Then schedule programming classes. I have been teaching people already
as minor. Let them teach each other, we programmed in machine language
on peculiar computers, even today we do not know their names.

I have same intention now, I have soon enough computers to start, some
furniture and room space and people, it can work. I will inform here
when it starts. It will be named GNU Free Software Club.

> It would just be useful to have some sort of backing to this. I have joined
> DebianAcademy team to help develop materials, so they are working on a
> packaging course, and a few others.  I created a course on LaTeX
> presentations, so people could contribute)

Great. There are free computer courses online already on
Wikiversity. Consider contributing into that
database. https://www.wikiversity.org/

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer

> I am just concerned that if we insist on using fully free software
> tool online tools, people are not going to bother, they will however

I don't bother about that, computer club will be named GNU Free
Software Club and it will be clear from beginning what it is about. If
they use some software at their home, it does not matter, but in the
club, in physical space there will be no such.

> I can present an idea to people locally (Torbay, Devon), but I am under the
> serious impression we need to spell out EXACTLY what people are to expect
> and learn, rather than suggesting a general idea.

For each class of knowledge you teach people different things.

Please state clearly purpose of your project?

> By doing this ourselves, as advocates of free software, we can
> include links to why free software methologies are better, even if
> we have to be a little flexible in what we use for support and
> communication, Discourse my not be ideal, but would we rather people
> used facebook or discord?

Of course not Facebook. It is very easy to establish XMPP chat, it can
be on the website or by using various applications, it will work from
any device. There are other free software communication packages.

> My support group is about respecting privacy /user freedom as much
> as possible.

In that case how can you use Facebook as a tool? Do you know that FB
data has been leaked for 522 millions? 

https://hyperscope.link/3/6/8/5/8/Direct-download-of-533M-Facebook-users-phone-numbers-and-personal-data-have-been-leaked-online-36858.html

> We can use BBB for classroom type chat, over using zoom or teams.

BBB like in good old times? Which one?

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Re: GFDL license help

[quiliro]

Ali Reza Hayati  writes:

> I don't want to use those licenses again. I'm trying to avoid any
> organization that signed RMS' resignation letter. I still contribute
> to communities' works but I won't be using or contributing to any
> organization that signed the RMS/FSF open lying letter.

Me too. I will avoid promoting any project which does not openly support
Richard Stallman.

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Re: GFDL license help

[Jean Louis]

* Pedro Lucas Porcellis  [2021-04-11 01:02]:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:48:03AM +0300, Jean Louis wrote:
> > * Pedro Lucas Porcellis  [2021-04-10 06:36]:
> > > What's wrong with Creative Commons?
> > 
> > There is no general Creative Commons license. You have to be
> > specific. There are many various Creative Commons licenses.
> 
> Well, the OP said he didn't want to use any license from Creative
> Commons, so according to him, no license from CC is any good. That's my
> question, why none of those license are acceptable to him.

It is because Ali Reza said that Creative Commons are signers of
harassment letter against RMS. Catherine Stihler, apparently, signed
the letter. But I do not have proof, the letter is dubious.

That letter defeats itself:
https://habr.com/ru/post/549276/

This repository, its contents, and the manner of its usage through social media 
by the Author/Owner, identified as Molly de Blanc (in the course of her 
official duties and representing the GNOME Foundation and edX), is currently in 
wanton violation of:

Github's Acceptable Use Policy

Github's Community Guidelines

Github's Terms of Service

The FSFe Code of Conduct

The GNOME Foundation's Code of Conduct

Various US State and Federal Laws (brief citations below)

Hate speech and discriminationa. While it is not forbidden to broach
topics such as age, body size, disability, ethnicity, gender identity
and expression, level of experience, nationality, personal appearance,
race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation, we do not tolerate
speech that attacks a person or group of people on the basis of who
they are.

But Github, being Microsoft, does tolerate hate speech.


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Re: [Packages - Privacy Issue #3010] (not-a-bug) telegram-desktop: phone number is released to other telegram users having the phone number in their addressbook

[Jean Louis]

As this issue is related to free software I am also sending it to
Libreplanet mailing list.

Issue:
https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/3010

More comments on Telegram freedom issues:
=

- there are several Telegram related packages in Parabola, not just
  one;

- Review terms for API here: https://core.telegram.org/api/terms

Terms dictate that user cannot modify software how user wants, thus
those Terms are in direct contradiction to the GPL3 software, thus I
consider Telegram application non-free as additional terms are
introduced limiting user to modify Telegram how user wish and wants,
and for whatever purpose user wish and want.

Those limitations are following:

- third party clients must comply with following:

- modifier has to observe these Terms of Services which are in
  conflict with the GPL3

- API terms dictate that any modification to Telegram software MUST
  allow connection to other Telegram users, this contradicts GPL3 --
  as for example, I would like to use chat software to contact
  non-Telegram users, which are on different server, with compatible
  API, GPL3 allows me to do so, Telegram does not allow me.

- It is forbidden to interfere with the basic functionality of
  Telegram. This includes but is not limited to: making actions on
  behalf of the user without the user's knowledge and consent,
  preventing self-destructing content from disappearing, preventing
  last seen and online statuses from being displayed correctly,
  tampering with the 'read' statuses of messages (e.g. implementing a
  'ghost mode'), preventing typing statuses from being sent/displayed,
  etc. -- I would like to be chaning these features to something
  different, but I am not allowed. GPL3 allows me, but additional
  Terms apply there which do not allow me, which in effect defeat the
  purpose of the GPL3.

- You must obtain your own api_id for your application. -- I don't
  want, I want software to function without getting API key from
  vendor. I need freedom 0.

- We offer our API free of charge, but your users must be aware of the
  fact that your app uses the Telegram API and is part of the Telegram
  ecosystem. This fact must be featured prominently in the app's
  description in the app stores and in the in-app intro if your app
  has it. -- We do not use "ecosystem" as term. Hypothetically, I do
  not want to tell users that it uses Telegram API and I do not want
  to have application that becomes part of Telegram "ecosystem" and do
  not want to make it prominent. Those are all contradictory terms
  that impact GPL3 freedom 0.

- To avoid confusion, the title of your app must not include the word
  “Telegram”. An exception can be made if the word “Telegram” is
  preceded with the word “Unofficial” in the title. -- So when I
  change it, I should not be naming it that way. But when I change
  XMPP application or IRC, I can still call it XMPP, IRC something.

- You must not use the official Telegram logo for your app. Both the
  Telegram brand and its logo are registered trademarks protected by
  law in almost every country. -- because official Telegram logo is
  included in the telegram-desktop software, this renders software
  non-free. This may be allowed by GPL3, but one may get a feeling of
  intentions of the vendor.

- If you decide to monetize your app, you must clearly mention all the
   methods of monetization that are used in your app in all its app
   store descriptions -- I do not want to clearly mention it, it is in
   the source code that will be available for people to inspect
   it. Those are hypothetical statements to show contradictions with
   freedom zero in GPL3 and Terms of usage of API, that directly
   prevent users to modify software how they wish and want.

- Breach of terms

,
| 4.1. If your app violates these terms, we will notify the Telegram
| account responsible for the app about the breach of terms.  4.2. If
| you do not update the app to fix the highlighted issues within 10
| days, we will have to discontinue your access to Telegram API and
| contact the app stores about the removal of your apps that are using
| the Telegram API in violation of these terms.
| 
| We reserve the right to expand these terms and guidelines as the need
| arises. We will inform client developers of such changes via an in-app
| notification to their accounts connected to the app in question.
`

That means that contradictory, not GPL3 complying additional terms on
GPL3 are imposed as software will not function how user wish and want
in case that supplementary Terms are not respected.

Additional future proprietary terms are imposed onto GPL3 as Telegram
vendor reserves the right to change the Terms in future how vendor
wish and wants.

Thus Telegram applications are not free as additional limiting terms
are imposed onto users. 

More viewpoints to consider for removal of this package from Parabola:

Re: Carefully written essay asking for proportionality for rms

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 210408-21:02-0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
> Em 08/04/2021 09:36, Miroslav Rovis escreveu:
> > On this second reading, I found, insofar, that there appears to be a 
> > (probably) new link, but it does not work:
> > https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=fIK5st2s3kA
> > it is at:
> > https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/#fnr.10
> > a few lines before, under words "DEAR FUTURE MOM".
> 
> It works here, that I can visit it with GNU LibreJS and play the video.
Unfortunately:
libreJS add-on for Pale Moon & Basilisk
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46=21312=160199

It could be the hemishere issue, I thought at first. But, just checked, and I 
was able to open that page _now_.

Also, is it that the ML archives is really updated in several hours intervals 
only? For more than a and hour or two my mail didn't show on:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-04/
I had time to try and toot https://mamot.fr/@Jorge and I've used mastodon just 
a few times so far, so wasn't a quick thing to do:
https://mastodon.online/@miro_rovis/106031478150136125
No reply so far.
I hope RMS will stay in FSF... (do not have time to follow all that's 
happening, I hope the matter is still being resolved, is it?)

A related note to my previous mail:
> > Apparently, gitlab.com does not support my Pale Moon browser.
There is a solution:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70=25697=205357
and:
https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases

> 
> -- 
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>   * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
>   * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de
>   * Software (Free Software Directory)
>   * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware)
>   * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team)
>   * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres
> * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail
>   * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada
> * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP
>   * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior
>   * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude
>   * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc"
> * Ao enviar anexos
>   * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument
>   * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior
> * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas
>   * Vide endereço anterior
> * Mensagens secretas somente via
>   * XMPP com OMEMO
>   * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP
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Re: Helping new contributors

[Jean Louis]

* Paul Sutton  [2021-04-09 15:07]:
> > Which software in particular?
> 
> Who ever needs help

Then please look here:
https://www.fsf.org/campaigns

and here:
https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/

> Cool thanks, could be a good place to list my study support group,
> granted it is not all computing but there are more and more elements
> of computer / data science in other subjects, so basic coding is
> needed. If I can bring people together that will help.

You wish to bring people together mainly online or physically?

> I am saying i am not going to use facebook hence I want to use discourse,
> irc, etc,   My point is, that while discourse may not be 100 percent free
> software  it s better than facebook.

Why is Discourse not free software? To me it looks it is:
https://github.com/discourse/discourse so what is the issue with discourse?

There is plethora of other free software self-hosted forums:
https://hyperscope.link/3/6/8/8/4/Awesome-Self-hosted-Software-36884.html#social-networks-and-forums

> I just hope the EU hit them with a nice massive fine for this,  people use
> facebook and can't get off it, (mentally that is) so what ever facebook
> does,  won't change that mindset.

Some people complained that they did not give permission to publish
phone numbers, and they were still published, and scraped. 

-- 
Jean

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Blog licenses must be diverse - was Re: GFDL license help

[Jean Louis]

* Ali Reza Hayati  [2021-04-09 21:20]:
> Hello guys.
> 
> Can anybody help me with choosing a license for a blog other than Creative
> Commons? I want to use GNU FDL 1.3 but I'm not sure if that's fine for
> audio/video too. Can we use GFDL for audio and video too? If not, what
> copyleft license do you suggest to use, other than Creative Commons
> ones?

Choosing a general license for one whole blog is not best idea, as you
may host on your blog diverse pieces and types of text and media, each
of them being licensed differently.

- software, each software may have some different license, even if
  software is as a listing there.

- instructions, such could be published under the GFDL, as people may
  be free to adopt, modify it; be it text, video, media, or
  presentation;

- you could host images, or media with different licenses, so you have
  to consider those, for each thing specific license; you may even
  post copyrighted images, as there are various liberties, for example
  for purposes of commenting, scientific purposes, educational
  purposes, etc.

- you can host opinions, so if it is about opinions, then you could
  use something like following:

Verbatim Copying and Distribution

Copyright © 2021 by AUTHOR.

Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article are permitted
worldwide, without royalty, in any medium, provided the copyright
notice, the document’s official hyperlink and this permission notice
are preserved. It is not required to retain page headings and footers
or other formatting features. Retention of weblinks in both
hyperlinked and non-hyperlinked media (as notes or some other form of
printed URL in non-HTML media) is required.

Or for opinions, you would use: Creative Commons
Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License as on:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ and see example here:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html

This is because opinions should not be modified, and you should
protect yourself.

Imagine following short statement, expanded into whole article:

"Ali Reza has opinion that we shall build free culture."

Now comes the website visitor, sees the GFDL, and thus modifies the
article to the meaning of:

"Ali Reza proposes proprietary software on all home and office
desktops."

That would make no sense. Opinions are personal and shall be respected as
such.



Jean

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Re: GFDL license help

[Jean Louis]

* Pedro Lucas Porcellis  [2021-04-10 06:36]:
> What's wrong with Creative Commons?

There is no general Creative Commons license. You have to be
specific. There are many various Creative Commons licenses.

Jean

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Re: Support RMS

[Ali Reza Hayati]

As the lies are still being told and not-at-all-proven accusations go 
on, I thought it's good to mention the https://stallmansupport.org site. 
It has a link to the support letter and also includes good articles from 
Nadine Strossen, Hannah Wolfman-Jones, Sylvia Paull, Renata Avila, and 
Leah Rowe.


Many people are still repeating lies so it's still needed to work to 
protect our community from being a place for organizations abuse their 
power.


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Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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