Re: [LIB] Format
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:03:35 +0800 From: Adrian Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Format On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:20:09PM -0700, Raymond wrote: Whats wrong with this maillist? There are a couple of annoyances related to SVList operations: * An extra copy of header fields in the main body. * Unconventional list sub/unsub procedure, leading to the need for a fat list trailer But SVList commits one major faux pas: * Mangling and/or stripping of headers it can't handle Look at the headers of any five messages on this list. Notice the utter uniformity -- and lack of resemblance to the ones your MUA generates. Just two examples: [1] Because SVList is a remailer, it effectively creates a new copy of each incoming message. Hence, the Message-ID field of every message on this list is replaced by a new SVList-generated one, that bears no resemblance to the one your MUA generated. [2] Because the Message-ID field is now different, SVList strips off any In-Reply-To and References fields since they don't make sense anymore. This breaks threading on all MUAs (and this is the only list I subscribe to that mutt can't thread). - Adrian ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Format [for Raymond]
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:26:23 +0100 From: Daniel Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Format [for Raymond] Raymond How does one download headers only using outlook as mail client? Is this an http issue? This could solve the 9600 baud clogging up I'm likely to experience with direct message body download. Danny ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Format [for Raymond]
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:26:08 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Format [for Raymond] How does one download headers only using outlook as mail client? Is this an http issue? To be honest, I have absolutely no idea (although I'm tempted to say its a Microsoft issue ;-) ... I make a point about not using OE because of all the things it does behind your back. I don't think I've even got it installed on my computer ... you could do a search on support.microsoft.com for details I guess ... In Eudora, apparently you can download headers only if your email server supports IMAP (as opposed to POP). Alternatively if you use Netscape I'm quite sure you can get it to download the headers first regardless of POP or IMAP (you can get it to check for mail without downloading it first). Alternatively, you can get a program such as E.Spy (freeware), MailCheck (shareware) and so on (available from any Tucows mirror, have a look under the email checker and email client categories) which are designed to check for email on the server without downloading it first. If those programs don't seem suited or you might be wanting to check your email from the odd net cafe you may come across, you can always use one of those internet services which allow you to check other email accounts (I think Hotmail and Start.com.au can, I know NameZero (not free) and Crosswinds can but Crosswind's email service is a little weird at the moment, I think their 'check other accounts' thing is working though) - they'll only display the from and subject lines on the main page and show you the rest when you click on the relevant link. A number of them (such as that for Crosswinds but almost certainly NOT hotmail) are written quite well from the point of view of being lightweight and low bandwidth yet still very useable if you turn images off ... quite useable even through a text-only browser like Lynx (which you could quite happily run through a 2400 baud modem if you felt like it). Of course, an alternative is getting a shell account somewhere (if you don't already have one then your place of work or study may be able to offer one) and just telnetting into that account and using a Unix email client like Pine (this is of course only if you're comfortable with Unix already). Thats how I check my email from my PDA through my cellphone, its actually quite useable (although composing email on a Palm is a real pain in the backside, especially since you can't use the keyboard and the IrDA-to-cellphone link at the same time). Hope this helps! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Format
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:39:33 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Format On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:20:09PM -0700, Raymond wrote: Whats wrong with this maillist? There are a couple of annoyances related to SVList operations: OK let me clarify my previous post ... I was making the comparison between using an email list versus using a news server arrangement ... I agree, SVList is far from ideal (but then again most programs are ... we don't live in an ideal world ;-). * An extra copy of header fields in the main body. Thats not necessarily a bad thing but yes I agree its redundant. * Unconventional list sub/unsub procedure, leading to the need for a fat list trailer Its not actually that unconventional, besides which even if it did use a conventional procedure, you'd still need a big trailer to tell people how to unsubscribe and you'll still get people stuffing it up (don't tell me you've never seen people try 10 times to unsubscribe from a Majordomo list ;-) But SVList commits one major faux pas: * Mangling and/or stripping of headers it can't handle Agreed. Perhaps SVList isn't the best program to use but it seems to be working reasonably well for what its intended for, personally I don't find it a problem because I thread the messages in my head so to speak (I'm used to having 5 conversations at once on IRC ;-) ... plus by the looks of things a message on a given subject often turns into others with little resemblance to the first anyway so even if threading worked I wonder how much use it'll be ... keying on subject lines would probably be more suitable as they do tend to change when the topic changes (notice the numerous 'blah blah blah, was blah blah blah' subject lines which a threading program based on message ID's won't pick up). Anyway thats my $0.02 worth ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] 16mb memory
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:21:33 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 16mb memory Note all - I was aking previously on behalf of Ed! Neil Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:10:26 +0100 From: Edward Capes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 16mb memory Hi All Anyone have a 16mb memory expansion for a Lib 50 they would like to sell?? Help appreciated Ed _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] thanks!
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:38:16 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:10:47 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! At 11:19 AM 10/22/01 -0700, venture wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:10:15 -0700 From: venture [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! Dave, thanks very much for this information! I had no idea that there is a quota for insertions. I wonder why? I'll research this a bit and see what I can find out. Well I'm buying another one and this time I hope to find out what it is rated for. . . (Gosh, this finite number of insertions stuff sounds like my sex life. . Cheers! It's a wearout thing, contacts have to slide and make good contact, so there is mechanical wear. Quite - most UK broadcasters use a military spec multipole connector for outside broadcast stuff - gold plated, sealed, proper strain relief, the lot. It's rated for only *50* insert/remove cycles. Mind you, I've never seen one fail (and some of them are twenty years old) unless they've had some external trauma, like driving a large lorry over them... Neil _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] PCMCIA problem fixed!
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:12:02 -0700 From: venture [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] PCMCIA problem fixed! Hi All! I recently posted my woes concerning my PCMCIA modem dying and my floppy drive getting crushed (by Canada Post - as always - putting the floppy drive in a box to be sent was actually an error, and I paid the price for my carelessness!). Anyhow, I tried using a pin to raise the connectors on the old PCMCIA card and I fiddled the same way with the connectors on the 'cable' that connects to the telephone, all to no avail. That was a good suggestion and one which I wouldn't have come up with on my own, but in this particular situation I was dead, dead, dead. Oh well! The thing would try to connect but never got to the phone line. So about an hour ago I got a brand spanking new 56k PCMCIA modem and it works! Yeah! So now I can actually remove things from the Libretto and get things to it. It is no longer a rapidly diminishing island. . . I had this problem for about 2 years before finally resolving it, so you can imagine that I was ecstatic upon seeing a connection with the rest of the world! Thanks for all the suggestions! Cheers! -warren ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:08:10 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem This post bounced back to me for some reason. Don't know if my reply is still relevant. At 11:19 AM 10/22/01 -0700, venture wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:10:15 -0700 From: venture [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! Dave, thanks very much for this information! I had no idea that there is a quota for insertions. I wonder why? I'll research this a bit and see what I can find out. Well I'm buying another one and this time I hope to find out what it is rated for. . . I heaven't read through this thread yet, but have you tried the card in another system? And/or another PC Card in the Libby? Might be nice to establish that it's the modem that's not working, and not the contacts inside the Lib before you buy another modem Shel _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:06:03 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem At 01:14 PM 23/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:08:10 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem This post bounced back to me for some reason. Don't know if my reply is still relevant. Ya we got it the first time ... :-) - Raymond At 11:19 AM 10/22/01 -0700, venture wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:10:15 -0700 From: venture [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! Dave, thanks very much for this information! I had no idea that there is a quota for insertions. I wonder why? I'll research this a bit and see what I can find out. Well I'm buying another one and this time I hope to find out what it is rated for. . . I heaven't read through this thread yet, but have you tried the card in another system? And/or another PC Card in the Libby? Might be nice to establish that it's the modem that's not working, and not the contacts inside the Lib before you buy another modem Shel _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:20:22 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] thanks! - dead modem From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] This post bounced back to me for some reason. Don't know if my reply is still relevant. Ya we got it the first time ... :-) - Raymond Oh man... my software, computer, mind, and it seems like 80% of the rest of the things in my life have been breaking down at breakneck speed recently. I have no idea what happened with this rejection notice of email sent. More of the mysteries our existance to contemplate I guess. Thanks for filling me in Raymond! Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
