Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:10:53 +0700
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Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:27:14 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

 I have XP

Gennadiy, in just a few words, what would you say are the biggest advantages
of Win'XP over Win'2K in respect of an L100/L110+64MB+20/30/40GB kind of
setup?



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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:05:05 +0700
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Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

 Ultimately, I would think that would be fine in a
 strict Win2K install, since Win2K has no problems
 seeing the entire drive. Over time as the drive gets
 used, becomes fragmented and I assume defragmented by
 any number of decent programs, some of the vital data
 may eventually migrate betond the 8gb boundary. Still,
 wouldn't really make a difference with Win2K since it
 does not have to be on a partition in the 8gb limit to
 boot, and I would assume that the boot partition would
 not be any larger than the 8gb anyway, and use the
 remainder for storage or program install for the less
 frequently used stuff.

Yes, very good point - my question/scenario *should* have read:-

 I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 scenario,
 if you're going to run Win'2K as your one and only OS, with
 the boot partition in the first 8GB and seperate partitions
 on each side of the space reserved for BIOS hibernation -
 - are these overlay programs totally redundant?
 And if not, what purpose would they serve in such a scenario?

 Perhaps make a seperate partition with your recovery
 info, and leave it static. Maybe even hide it, and then
 all you would need to do is unhide it and boot to DOS,
 and you are ready to restore, fix, whatever.

 I don't think I have heard of anyone having serious
 problems with a Win2K only setup and no drive overlay.
 I think a lot of people are so used to using them under
 Win9x that they go ahead and install it anyway. I have
 not done so, so I cannot say for certain that this is
 correct, but it would make sense.

That's exactly what sparked my curiosity.
Often it's the people who have them already that want to use them again -
but I suspect that in some cases it might be a redundant over-complication.

Obviously if you NEED Win'95/Win'98/etc, then it's a non-redundant
complication  ;-)



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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:32:53 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

At 03:10 PM 1/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:21:40 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

  I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110
  scenario, if you're going to run Win'2K as your one
  and only OS - are these overlay programs totally
  redundant? And if not, what purpose would they serve
  in such a scenario?
 
  Primarily, I think you would have problems if you had
  a total system crash and had to reboot from DOS to fix
  it. At that point you could only see the 8gb, and if
  the files you needed to fix whatever problem you had
  were beyond that, they would be inaccessible. With the
  overlay running, you could still access all your other
  partitions in DOS. This is the only circumstance that
  immediately comes to mind.

Sounds to me like the overlay thing itself is introducing
a significant level of FUD and increasing the chances that
you're going to have the problems in the first place...

Wouldn't it be a lot simpler/safer/reliable just to keep
all the troubleshooting/recovery stuff in the first 8GB
than to do the overlay thing?

Actually, if you do the right thing (eg. always let the overlay load first) 
you don't seem to get any problems ... at least I haven't ... yet ...

The problem isn't that you can't GET to your diagnostics/recovery tools. 
The problem is if everything goes pear shaped, how are you going to back up 
stuff that you had ABOVE 8 gig? Ditto for files on NTFS partitions ... 
often you just need to get a SINGLE text file from a machine but you have 
to spend an hour or so trying parallel installs, different machines, etc. 
when if it were FAT32 you could just boot off a boot disk and copy it across.

You can see I've had practice with this ... probably a bit too much for my 
liking ... heh

- Raymond

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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:40:14 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

At 05:30 PM 1/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:27:14 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

I have XP and I installed Recovery Console, which allows to boot into
command prompt even on NTFS partition. I have FAT32, so I can use boot
floppy too.

If recovery console under XP is anything like that under 2k, its a complete 
pain in the backside ... gimme the ability to boot and see everything with 
a plain DOS boot disk anyday (which is what you get if you use an overlay 
and FAT32) ... lets face it, I can't think of a single advantage of using 
NTFS on a libretto. Apart from the slight bother factor I also can't see 
any reason NOT to use an overlay on the libretto given that you can damage 
the partition table just as easily with it as without it ... you just 
damage it up different ways if you don't use an overlay compared to if you 
do use one).

Of course, thats my 2 cents on the issue ...


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] win2k source directory

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:38:17 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory

At 03:10 PM 1/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:21:47 +0700
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  Winnt.exe will start the install, it helps a LOT to run smartdrv before
  you do it though.

Just curious(!!!)...  why?

Smartdrv helps improve disk access speeds.. Not by an awful lot though in 
my experience (but then again I've not done many installs on lower specced 
machines ...)


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Re: [LIB] win2k source directory

2002-05-02 Thread Lawrence Young

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:30:05 -0400
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Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory


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  Winnt.exe will start the install, it helps a LOT to run smartdrv before
  you do it though.
 
 Just curious(!!!)...  why?

Because it makes initial install which mainly copy files much much faster.




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[LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:49:31 +0800
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Subject: W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Has anyone else received what appears to be a 'fake' bounced message to the 
email address they use on this list with the W32.Klez.gen@mm virus?

I received the following weird email just now (and I only use this email 
address for this list) ... I've scanned my box and it comes up clean as far 
as this particular virus is concerned. This virus is known to spoof email 
addresses, one wonders if it was MY email address spoofed or was 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] spoofed ... *sigh*


- Raymond



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:05:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 The following mail can't be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

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I don't know, but I want to look at your beautiful girl friend. Please, let
me click it. Gotta click everything!!! Click click click

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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:05:50 +0700
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 gimme the ability to boot and see everything with a plain DOS boot
 disk anyday (which is what you get if you use an overlay and FAT32)

So the only useful function of the overlay in this scenario is to give plain
DOS boot disk access to the HDD *beyond* 8GB?

You've already got plain DOS boot access to the first 8GB in any case, yes?




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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:14:08 +0700
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 The problem isn't that you can't GET to your diagnostics/recovery tools.

Gosh. You can't get them all in the first 8GB???

 The problem is if everything goes pear shaped, how are you going to back
 up stuff that you had ABOVE 8 gig? Ditto for files on NTFS partitions ...
 often you just need to get a SINGLE text file from a machine but you have
 to spend an hour or so trying parallel installs, different machines, etc.
 when if it were FAT32 you could just boot off a boot disk and copy it
 across.

I keep all my non-binary (/compressible) stuff in the first 8GB.

Above 8GB, it's all binary (/uncompressible) stuff:
- .MP3's (from CD)
- .JPG's (archived to CD)
- copies of (software) CD's

So nothing ever gets backed up from above 8GB - it's all backed up before it
gets put there.



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Kevin McClelland

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 06:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin McClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Raymond wrote

 
 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:49:31 +0800
 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?
 
 Has anyone else received what appears to be a 'fake'
bounced message to the 
 email address they use on this list with the
W32.Klez.gen@mm virus?
 
 I received the following weird email just now (and I
only use this email 
 address for this list) ... I've scanned my box and it
comes up clean as far 
 as this particular virus is concerned. This virus is
known to spoof email 
 addresses, one wonders if it was MY email address
spoofed or was 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoofed ... *sigh*
 
 
 - Raymond
 
 
 
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I haven't seen it on mine, but will keep an eye out for
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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Kevin McClelland

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin McClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB]

Matthew Hanson wrote

 
 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 03:16:26 +
 From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB]
 
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Sounds to me like the overlay thing itself is
introducing a  
 significant level of FUD and increasing the chances
that you're  going to 
 have the problems in the first place...
  
   Wouldn't it be a lot simpler/safer/reliable just
to
   keep all the troubleshooting/recovery stuff in
the first 8GB than  to 
 do the overlay thing?
 
 From: Kevin McClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 I don't think I have heard of anyone having serious
 problems with a Win2K only setup and no drive
overlay.
 I think a lot of people are so used to using them
under
 Win9x that they go ahead and install it anyway.
 
 Have I missed something (with me there's a good
probability of these 
 things)?  Are there alternatives for seeing the whole
 8MB HDD for Win9.x 
 installations with Libs with this BIOS limitation?
 
 Matt (Shel)
 

For Win9x, you must use an overlay in order to see the
whole drive. I don't think there is any way around
that. Otherwise you run smack into the BIOS wall at
8gb. Only real question is which one to use. EZBIOS
seems to be the preferred favorite, the others do not
work very well with the libretto, especially when it
comes to resuming from hibernation and possibly standby.


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[LIB] Lib 100 266 overclock woes - resolved

2002-05-02 Thread Konrad . Szwab

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:11:50 -0500
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Subject: Lib 100 266 overclock woes - resolved

So, having those 2 L100s, I figured out after hearing from you guys that it
is not that bad, to overclock to 266. The actual bridging of the pads was
not bad, but then the thing would not boot up. Power on, no video. So I
figured, it mut not like the 266. So I tried 233, 200. Same no video.
So I went back to 166. No video. Trembling in fear a few months back, I put
it together back and it was fine. But the gnawing question remained: how
comes that most can I cannot overclock to 266 ?
So I tried it again over the weekend. Same exacu scenario, same results. But
then, after a few more tests, I realized what happened: the damn thing NEEDS
to have an HDD ! I was not putting back the HDD during the testing phase.
So, with the HDD in, works great at 266.

Thank you all for the good directions on how to do the modification. Runs
great on my 98 L100, now it will be time to try on the L100 running win2k.

Konrad



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 21:51:39 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

At 06:10 AM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:05:59 -0400
From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  The following mail can't be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: look,my beautiful girl friend
  The file is the original mail
 
  attachment: Systems.scr


I don't know, but I want to look at your beautiful girl friend. Please, let
me click it. Gotta click everything!!! Click click click

Heh ... it'd be difficult even if I wanted to, seeing as I don't actually 
have a girlfriend ... yet ... heh


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:04:06 -0400
From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 Heh ... it'd be difficult even if I wanted to, seeing as I don't actually
 have a girlfriend ... yet ... heh


I think I have a spare or 2 kicking around. I could loan you one.

( Sorry, list... it's raining here and I am boored! )

Thanks

Pres Waterman W2PW
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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:12:56 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

At 07:05 AM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:04:06 -0400
From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  Heh ... it'd be difficult even if I wanted to, seeing as I don't actually
  have a girlfriend ... yet ... heh


I think I have a spare or 2 kicking around. I could loan you one.

( Sorry, list... it's raining here and I am boored! )

Bah ... I don't think anyone here minds off-topic, unrelated-to-libretto 
posts ;-)


- Raymond

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[LIB] cmd:miniskirts digest

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:15:04 +0700
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 I don't know, but I want to look at your beautiful girl friend.
 Please, let me click it. Gotta click everything!!! Click click click

If someone writes a virus with the word miniskirt in the Subject:, Pres is
gonna be a goner!




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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread neil barnes

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:28:20 +
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Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?


Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:04:06 -0400
From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  Heh ... it'd be difficult even if I wanted to, seeing as I don't 
actually
  have a girlfriend ... yet ... heh


I think I have a spare or 2 kicking around. I could loan you one.

( Sorry, list... it's raining here and I am boored! )


Those miniskirts are getting to you...


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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:20:28 +0700
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Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB]

 Have I missed something (with me there's a good
 probability of these things)? Are there alternatives
 for seeing the whole 8MB HDD for Win9.x
 installations with Libs with this BIOS limitation?

You've missed the scenario (several times).

Originally:-

 I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 scenario,
 if you're going to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are
 these overlay programs totally redundant?
 And if not, what purpose would they serve in such a scenario?

Now:-

 I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 scenario,
 if you're going to run Win'2K as your one and only OS, with
 the boot partition in the first 8GB and seperate partitions
 on each side of the space reserved for BIOS hibernation -
 - are these overlay programs totally redundant?
 And if not, what purpose would they serve in such a scenario?



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:49:29 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 Heh ... it'd be difficult even if I wanted to, seeing
 as I don't actually have a girlfriend ... yet ... heh

 I think I have a spare or 2 kicking around. I could loan you one.

 ( Sorry, list... it's raining here and I am boored! )

OK guys, here we go...  girls in South-East Asia

http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0015.jpg
http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0016.jpg
http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0019.jpg
http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0026.jpg
http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0059.jpg
http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0066.jpg
http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00191260f0067.jpg

All pics made possible by virtue of the Libretto in my backpack,
hence not *completely* off-topic...




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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:19:11 -0400
From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  
   Those miniskirts are getting to you...
 
 miniskirts have ALWAYS gotten to me.

 Miniskirts have always gotten to you or have YOU always gotten to the
 miniskirts?


I don't always get to them but they usually get to me!

Thanks

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c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc.
Long Island Ford and Kia dealer

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XP vs. 2000 | Was: Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Gennadiy Tsygan

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:05:25 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: XP vs. 2000 | Was: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

Best feature about XP is Cleartype fonts. They don't help much on CRT
screens, but on LCD, specially small ones, text looks better by a long shot.
More information here: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/
I've been using XP on desktop and I like user interface more then 2000.
While I have not benchmarked it, I don't think that XP is slower then 2000,
after all it is a relatively minor update, 2000 being NT 5.0 and XP NT 5.1
There are several features I turned off in XP for performance reasons, and I
am happy with performance. It works with all PCMCIA devices I tried, and has
no problems with standby and hibernation.
I installed it over the network, because my CD-ROM does not work in DOS


  I have XP

 Gennadiy, in just a few words, what would you say are the biggest
advantages
 of Win'XP over Win'2K in respect of an L100/L110+64MB+20/30/40GB kind of
 setup?



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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Gennadiy Tsygan

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:11:15 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

Recovery Console is a pain, but it gives you some repair tools not available
in DOS, like controlling start up services. Microsoft says that NTFS
performs better, but I still use FAT32 on first 8GB, so I could boot from
floppy. I use NTFS on second partition because it is not accessible by DOS
anyway.


 If recovery console under XP is anything like that under 2k, its a
complete
 pain in the backside ... gimme the ability to boot and see everything with
 a plain DOS boot disk anyday (which is what you get if you use an overlay
 and FAT32) ... lets face it, I can't think of a single advantage of using
 NTFS on a libretto. Apart from the slight bother factor I also can't see
 any reason NOT to use an overlay on the libretto given that you can damage
 the partition table just as easily with it as without it ... you just
 damage it up different ways if you don't use an overlay compared to if you
 do use one).

 Of course, thats my 2 cents on the issue ...


 - Raymond

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Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb

2002-05-02 Thread David Chien

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb

Dave's Adorable site used to have it at  http://160.87.24.214/ezdrv909.zip  -
 doesn't work now :-/
 
 I guess we'd better find a new copy somewhere and have someone host it.

  Still there today!  Gotta excuse the PC it's on - crashes every now and then.
Grab it while you can!

  WD EZ-Drive 9.09 installing EZ-BIOS 9.06 (the good version) that'll work on
any HD out there.  Is happy with my Hitachi HD.  Works great!  No problems at
all, and even Partition Magic and Ghost works just fine with it running.  (for
Ghost, make sure you tick off the direct INT 13 interrupt access in Options) 
Have it dual booting right now with 4 partitions total w/o any problems at all
over the entire HD.  

  Just make sure you partition right around the 8.4GB limit (usually 1010-1040
cylinders on my L110 and HD) so that hibernating won't kill your data.

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Chester Prudhomme

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:46:47 -0700
From: Chester Prudhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Kevin McClelland wrote:

 Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 Raymond wrote

  Has anyone else received what appears to be a 'fake'
 bounced message to the
  email address they use on this list with the
 W32.Klez.gen@mm virus?
 
  I received the following weird email just now (and I
 only use this email
  address for this list) ... I've scanned my box and it
 comes up clean as far
  as this particular virus is concerned. This virus is
 known to spoof email
  addresses, one wonders if it was MY email address
 spoofed or was
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoofed ... *sigh*
 
  Raymond

I'm sort of amazed that nobody here has seen much of the Klez virus yet.
It is endemic world-wide (TrendMicro says it has infected 7 1/2% of
computers WW!) and I've had 24 attempts at delivering it to me in the
last 3 days (thank gawd for postini, I go look at them at my ISP site
and then delete them). It does spoof email addresses as well as mixing
them up to further disguise and confuse the recipient. It will also open
the attachment without giving you a chance to say no to the download. It
will forward your files randomly to other recipients. Pretty insidious
stuff - all those Chinese schoolboys must be bored this spring
vacation!?

Chester




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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:44:39 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

 Microsoft says that NTFS performs better

It's primarily a speed advantage?
Is there a vague rule-of-thunb figure for how much?




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Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

2002-05-02 Thread David Chien

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

http://160.87.24.214/l5070mm.zip ~2MB
http://160.87.24.214/l100mm.zip ~1MB

Also on my Libretto Information CD sold on my site below.

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Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

2002-05-02 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:06:11 -0400
From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

 http://160.87.24.214/l100mm.zip ~1MB

gives

425 HTTP Error
Unable to connect with remote host.


Thanks

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c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc.
Long Island Ford and Kia dealer

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Tom Stangl

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:09:46 -0700
From: Tom Stangl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Luckily NAV works just fine to remove it.  I've gotten DOZENS of copies of
it within the last couple of weeks.

Chester Prudhomme wrote:

 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:46:47 -0700
 From: Chester Prudhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 Kevin McClelland wrote:

  Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?
 
  Raymond wrote
 
   Has anyone else received what appears to be a 'fake'
  bounced message to the
   email address they use on this list with the
  W32.Klez.gen@mm virus?
  
   I received the following weird email just now (and I
  only use this email
   address for this list) ... I've scanned my box and it
  comes up clean as far
   as this particular virus is concerned. This virus is
  known to spoof email
   addresses, one wonders if it was MY email address
  spoofed or was
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoofed ... *sigh*
  
   Raymond

 I'm sort of amazed that nobody here has seen much of the Klez virus yet.
 It is endemic world-wide (TrendMicro says it has infected 7 1/2% of
 computers WW!) and I've had 24 attempts at delivering it to me in the
 last 3 days (thank gawd for postini, I go look at them at my ISP site
 and then delete them). It does spoof email addresses as well as mixing
 them up to further disguise and confuse the recipient. It will also open
 the attachment without giving you a chance to say no to the download. It
 will forward your files randomly to other recipients. Pretty insidious
 stuff - all those Chinese schoolboys must be bored this spring
 vacation!?

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:35:03 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 It will also open the attachment without giving
 you a chance to say no to the download.

But you had the chance to have your security
settings say no...  yes?



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[LIB] unsuscribe

2002-05-02 Thread Leonardo Armesto

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:39:23 -0300
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Subject: unsuscribe





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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Renita Herrmann

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:54:23 -0700
From: Renita Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Uh-oh. Bar 717 is a camp in the redwoods in Northern California that my son
is going to this summer. I got a weird email last night, but didn't open it.
I appeared to come from me (my initial and last name) but it came from my
brother when checked. I called him this AM to check but he wasn't in. My
computer was making more noise than usual so I did a date search and didn't
see anything unusual. I will check it again. I have Norton activated all the
time (pain in the butt)...keep me updated. Renita
- Original Message -
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:56 AM
Subject: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?


 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:49:31 +0800
 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 Has anyone else received what appears to be a 'fake' bounced message to
the
 email address they use on this list with the W32.Klez.gen@mm virus?

 I received the following weird email just now (and I only use this email
 address for this list) ... I've scanned my box and it comes up clean as
far
 as this particular virus is concerned. This virus is known to spoof email
 addresses, one wonders if it was MY email address spoofed or was
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoofed ... *sigh*


 - Raymond



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:25:00 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 It will also open the attachment without giving
 you a chance to say no to the download.

 But you had the chance to have your security
 settings say no...  yes?

 Yes...I guess, but I can't say firsthand
 - it hasn't gotten past my ISP virus software to
 my PC...yet!

My point is, it will only open the attachment without
giving you a chance to say no to the download if you
give permission for things to be opened without giving
you the chance to say no.

So to say It will also open the attachment without
giving you a chance to say no to the download is a
bit...  daft?



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Kevin McClelland

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 
 Bah ... I don't think anyone here minds off-topic,
unrelated-to-libretto 
 posts ;-)

Of course we don't. After all, we truly love talking
about digital cameras, f/stop and focal length, and the
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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:35:44 +0700
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Renita, two questions - then possibly a request.

(1) is the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your address book?
(2) is the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your address book?

If the answer to both questions is yes, please can you
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[LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Chester Prudhomme

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:32:26 -0700
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Subject: W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Below is a link to a pretty good analysis of the Klex virus.

Chester

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-891854.html




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RE: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Eamon Ho

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:51:44 -0700
From: Eamon Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: overlay programs  [LIB]

I remember people benchmarking this for purposes of video editing, ntfs
consistently reads faster than fat32, but writes slower, for large
files.  There is also some cpu overhead from ntfs security. Turn off
indexing for more speed.. I don't remember the percentages though, and
that was NTFS4.  It also has a lot less file fragmentation so that's a
speed bonus too. You can also selectively compress files or folders.
However, it also uses more memory so that may be a consideration if your
lib only has 64mb.  My affection for NTFS is from the faster recovery
after a crash, and much fewer damaged files due to journaling.  I guess
that is better performance for most things.

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Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB]


Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:44:39 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

 Microsoft says that NTFS performs better

It's primarily a speed advantage?
Is there a vague rule-of-thunb figure for how much?




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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Kevin McClelland

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin McClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

 Would it be possible to have a Win'2K/Win'95 dual
boot setup (or
 Win'2K/Win'98) where Win'2K has access to all the
partitions on a
 big HDD, but Win'95/98 just sees the
BIOS-accessible 8GB and is
 prevented from accessing the rest?
 
 I'm thinking the first 8Gb could be regarded as the
space in which
 all shared data must go, the remainder would be
Win'2K exclusive data (and
 you wouldn't need to do the overlay thing).

It might be possible. I never tried it myself, but it
would seem to make sense. With no overlay Win9x should
be limited to just the 8gb portion, and never see the
Win2k install or the rest of the drive. However, I do
not know if Win95 might make changes to the FAT system
that could potentially interfere with Win2K, since they
are basically seeing different drives. With an overlay
running, I would think that kind of activity would be
controlled through the overlay, and thus prevent damage
to the FAT. I am not certain on that, but it seems that
it may happen. I think I used to have problems with the
FAT on my old HDD with both Win95 and Win2K every once
in a while when I ran a disk scan, but my memory may be
failing me. Plus I had both OS running on a 2.1gb HDD
on the same partition. Strange that they were able to
peacefully (for the most part) co-exist.


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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:58:12 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 It will also open the attachment without giving
 you a chance to say no to the download.

 But you had the chance to have your security
 settings say no...  yes?

 Yes...I guess, but I can't say firsthand
 - it hasn't gotten past my ISP virus software to
 my PC...yet!

 My point is, it will only open the attachment without
 giving you a chance to say no to the download if you
 give permission for things to be opened without giving
 you the chance to say no.

 So to say It will also open the attachment without
 giving you a chance to say no to the download is a
 bit...  daft?
 
 Daft you say?..hmm, I feel like I'm in a Noel Coward movie.

You'll have to explain that one - I'm a heathen

 Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as
 it did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.

Which software was the culprit?



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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Chester Prudhomme

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:44:43 -0700
From: Chester Prudhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:25:00 +0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  It will also open the attachment without giving
  you a chance to say no to the download.
 
  But you had the chance to have your security
  settings say no...  yes?
 
  Yes...I guess, but I can't say firsthand
  - it hasn't gotten past my ISP virus software to
  my PC...yet!

 My point is, it will only open the attachment without
 giving you a chance to say no to the download if you
 give permission for things to be opened without giving
 you the chance to say no.

 So to say It will also open the attachment without
 giving you a chance to say no to the download is a
 bit...  daft?

Daft you say?..hmm, I feel like I'm in a Noel Coward movie.
Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as it
did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.

Chester




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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 03:06:30 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

 Would it be possible to have a Win'2K/Win'95 dual
 boot setup (or Win'2K/Win'98) where Win'2K has
 access to all the partitions on a big HDD, but
 Win'95/98 just sees the BIOS-accessible 8GB and
 is prevented from accessing the rest?

 I'm thinking the first 8Gb could be regarded as the
 space in which all shared data must go, the
 remainder would be Win'2K exclusive data (and you
 wouldn't need to do the overlay thing).

 It might be possible. I never tried it myself, but it
 would seem to make sense. With no overlay Win9x should
 be limited to just the 8gb portion, and never see the
 Win2k install or the rest of the drive.

Nope, it's not that simple.

Win'98 can see my entire 30GB HDD without any overlay.
If I used it to write to the partitions beyond 8GB, I'd expect them to
become corrupt.

I'm asking if there's a way to deliberately prevent Win'95/98 seeing the
partitions, but which would not prevent Win'2K seeing the whole drive (I'm
thinking it ought to be automatic, whichever OS you choose to boot, gets to
see what is appropriate).



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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:28:22 +
From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs [LIB]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Have I missed something (with me there's a good
  probability of these things)? Are there alternatives
  for seeing the whole 8MB HDD for Win9.x
  installations with Libs with this BIOS limitation?

You've missed the scenario (several times).

Originally:-

 I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 scenario,
 if you're going to run Win'2K as your one and only OS - are
 these overlay programs totally redundant?
 And if not, what purpose would they serve in such a scenario?

Now:-

 I'm just curious - in a 20/30/40GB HDD L100/L110 scenario,
 if you're going to run Win'2K as your one and only OS, with
 the boot partition in the first 8GB and seperate partitions
 on each side of the space reserved for BIOS hibernation -
 - are these overlay programs totally redundant?
 And if not, what purpose would they serve in such a scenario?

Hmmm... guess most of Bhutan is following all this pretty well.  I'll just 
take a bottle of cheap whiskey and head back to the reservation in my 
pickup...  Thanks Kimosabe.


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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Chester Prudhomme

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:29:04 -0700
From: Chester Prudhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:58:12 +0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  It will also open the attachment without giving
  you a chance to say no to the download.
 
  But you had the chance to have your security
  settings say no...  yes?
 
  Yes...I guess, but I can't say firsthand
  - it hasn't gotten past my ISP virus software to
  my PC...yet!
 
  My point is, it will only open the attachment without
  giving you a chance to say no to the download if you
  give permission for things to be opened without giving
  you the chance to say no.
 
  So to say It will also open the attachment without
  giving you a chance to say no to the download is a
  bit...  daft?
 
  Daft you say?..hmm, I feel like I'm in a Noel Coward movie.

 You'll have to explain that one - I'm a heathen

  Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as
  it did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.

 Which software was the culprit?

Norton AV2001, he also ran the Norton AV scan 3 times before it picked up
the infected files.

Chester




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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Chester Prudhomme

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:22:13 -0700
From: Chester Prudhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:38:04 +0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as
  it did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.
 
  Which software was the culprit?
 
  Norton AV2001, he also ran the Norton AV scan 3 times before it picked
  up the infected files.

 I meant - which software opened the attachment despite having security
 settings which were supposed to prevent that from happening

I don't know, I'll call him tonight and ask him.

Chester




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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 05:41:04 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as
 it did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.

 Which software was the culprit?

 Norton AV2001, he also ran the Norton AV scan 3 times before it picked
 up the infected files.

 I meant - which software opened the attachment despite having security
 settings which were supposed to prevent that from happening

 I don't know, I'll call him tonight and ask him.

I'm wondering if it's something other than an unpatched copy of one of
the Outlook Express versions specified in the zdnet.com link you posted

 Below is a link to a pretty good analysis of the Klex virus.
 http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-891854.html

 Klez.h uses a well-known vulnerability in Outlook Express that
 is included in versions of Internet Explorer 5.01 and 5.5.
 Microsoft has previously released a patch for this. Users who
 have not loaded the patch are encouraged to do so or to upgrade
 to Internet Explorer 6 using the full installation setting.





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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:01:33 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

At 10:16 AM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:11:15 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

Recovery Console is a pain, but it gives you some repair tools not available
in DOS, like controlling start up services.

If you use FAT32 and the drive overlay you can still use the recovery 
console. It also means that you can use all your DOS diagnostics and 
recovery tools plus its a darn sight faster to get into ...


Microsoft says that NTFS
performs better,

NTFS performs better in some ways (for instance it is less affected by 
fragmentation, you get faster index seeks, etc.) however most of these 
pertain to fast disks (as one used to find in servers and workstations and 
what one now finds in many desktops). The actual performance increase is 
minimal if not non-existant in a slower machine like a libretto with its 
slower disk subsystem. In fact it may turn out to be slightly slower 
because whilst it may be FASTER to access a bit of the index, there is a 
hellava lot more bookkeeping required.

The 2 biggest disadvantages for me however is that firstly, data recovery 
is almost impossible under NTFS if things start going pear shaped and 
secondly, if you find you've left something on the disk and you somehow 
can't boot the OS, you can either whack in a floppy diskette or borrow 
someone's computer, be it a Linux, Win9x or WinNT/2k/XP box, put the drive 
in (I always carry around the drive converter and a screwdriver suitable 
for both opening the libby and opening your average PC case) and run with 
it. I think these 2 are more important in a portable computer than the 
rather nebulous probability of better performance. If you need security, 
NTFS doesn't offer it anyway as an adversary can always put the drive into 
another computer. If you need security as well, do it properly and get 
something like PGP Disk (which runs surprisingly fast on even an L50). As 
you can probably gather, I tend to have things go pear shaped on me so the 
ability to recover things quickly (or at least get my work off such that I 
save time by doing so compared with recreating the work between now and my 
last backup) and reliably is very important.


Anyways thats my 2 cents on the issue.


- Raymond

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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:07:52 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

At 10:50 AM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:44:39 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

  Microsoft says that NTFS performs better

It's primarily a speed advantage?
Is there a vague rule-of-thunb figure for how much?

NTFS uses a different file indexing structure to your standard FAT12/16/32 
which means that disk fragmentation doesn't affect index lookup times as 
much (although it will still affect contiguous disk access times) and 
random index lookups (eg. tell me where the 4356581'th byte of this file is 
NOW!) are significantly faster. It also does a lot of other stuff for 
security and bookkeeping so *in theory* you won't need other recovery 
tools. In practice however if things do go pear shaped for reasons NOT 
relating to the file system (eg. someone deleting a file, virus, badly 
behaved program, your libby crashing, overheat shutdowns, etc.) and the 
file system gets corrupted or you otherwise need to work with it, its a 
complete pain in the backside. Besides all that extra junk more than 
cancels out the speed increase on a slower machine like the libby IMHO.

For a powerful desktop where you're doing a lot of disk work then ya I can 
see how NTFS *might* be an advantage but even on my desktop I keep all my 
critical stuff on FAT32 ... if my Win2k installation dies and I have 
something that must be done in the next 3 hours, I can still flip over to 
98 and keep going where I left off. Lets see you do THAT with recovery 
console ;-)


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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:11:09 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

At 12:35 PM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin McClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 
  Bah ... I don't think anyone here minds off-topic,
unrelated-to-libretto
  posts ;-)

Of course we don't. After all, we truly love talking
about digital cameras, f/stop and focal length, and the
proper method to unsubcribble. It is what we do, no?

Actually, I think Pres corrected me in saying it was unscribble, not 
unSUBscribble ;-)


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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:15:48 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

At 12:41 PM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:35:44 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

Renita, two questions - then possibly a request.

(1) is the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your address book?
(2) is the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your address book?

If the answer to both questions is yes, please can you
delete [EMAIL PROTECTED] - TIA

Even better, my address book sits on my Palm which is completely separate 
to all my emailing stuff! (I've not activated any address book links or 
anything).

I'm not *TOO* fussed about raybotlst ... I only use that email on this list 
(and for people who I talk to on this list) and if things go weird I can 
have a block put on it and open up another address. I made a point about 
this virus on this list because chances are, the computer that is infected 
is being used to check these emails (the could not have gotten this address 
otherwise) ...

I do think it is jumping a bit to conclusions to think that Renita's 
computer has the virus ... NAV picks it up straight away and several other 
virus scanners also have it on their databases ... the virus isn't actually 
all that new (although it recently mutated significantly, I don't think the 
one I received was a new variant given my virus scanner flagged it as 
.gen for generic as opposed to .H or .E for the newer ones).


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:18:46 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

At 12:51 PM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:44:43 -0700
From: Chester Prudhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:25:00 +0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?
 
   It will also open the attachment without giving
   you a chance to say no to the download.
  
   But you had the chance to have your security
   settings say no...  yes?
  
   Yes...I guess, but I can't say firsthand
   - it hasn't gotten past my ISP virus software to
   my PC...yet!
 
  My point is, it will only open the attachment without
  giving you a chance to say no to the download if you
  give permission for things to be opened without giving
  you the chance to say no.
 
  So to say It will also open the attachment without
  giving you a chance to say no to the download is a
  bit...  daft?

Daft you say?..hmm, I feel like I'm in a Noel Coward movie.
Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as it
did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.

MS-bash
Well if you're using Outlook [Express] you deserve everything coming at 
you! GO PINE!
/MS-bash
;-)

Seriously though, with a decent virus scanner even if it did auto-open it 
won't manage to pull the file anyway. That and/or use Eudora if you MUST 
get your HTML emails.


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:23:29 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

At 02:45 PM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:38:04 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

  Actually, it apparently will open attachments without permission as
  it did that to a friend of mine who had the correct security setting.
 
  Which software was the culprit?
 
  Norton AV2001, he also ran the Norton AV scan 3 times before it picked
  up the infected files.

Strange ... was it (NAV) updated?

I'ive got NAV2001 ... Eudora had hardly finished downloading it than NAV 
quarantined it.


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:33:32 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

At 10:50 AM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT, 70CT and 100CT service manuals

http://160.87.24.214/l5070mm.zip ~2MB
http://160.87.24.214/l100mm.zip ~1MB

Ooh GIMME GIMME GIMMME GIMMMumm ... bummer ... 'Socket Error 10061' 
errors :-(

Has your IP changed? That IP (s24n214.dhcp.mc.uci.edu) looks like a dynamic 
one ...


- Raymond

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Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:22:18 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

At 01:16 PM 2/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 03:06:30 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

  Would it be possible to have a Win'2K/Win'95 dual
  boot setup (or Win'2K/Win'98) where Win'2K has
  access to all the partitions on a big HDD, but
  Win'95/98 just sees the BIOS-accessible 8GB and
  is prevented from accessing the rest?
 
  I'm thinking the first 8Gb could be regarded as the
  space in which all shared data must go, the
  remainder would be Win'2K exclusive data (and you
  wouldn't need to do the overlay thing).
 
  It might be possible. I never tried it myself, but it
  would seem to make sense. With no overlay Win9x should
  be limited to just the 8gb portion, and never see the
  Win2k install or the rest of the drive.

Nope, it's not that simple.

Win'98 can see my entire 30GB HDD without any overlay.
If I used it to write to the partitions beyond 8GB, I'd expect them to
become corrupt.

Actually that too isn't *quite* correct. Even Win95OSR2 can *see* past 
there but with the exception of partition editing tools, if you're likely 
to corrupt things it won't let you write there. Either way though, how much 
extra effort is it to put an overlay on given things can go pear shaped 
with equal ease either way? At least an overlay has been tested to work 
well with these dual boots (Win98SE/RedHat 6.2 here for instance, NT4 
coming soon).


I'm asking if there's a way to deliberately prevent Win'95/98 seeing the
partitions, but which would not prevent Win'2K seeing the whole drive (I'm
thinking it ought to be automatic, whichever OS you choose to boot, gets to
see what is appropriate).

That would seem a little strange to me ... after all, the point of a dual 
boot is to let 2 OS's access portions of the same data no?


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

2002-05-02 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:42:23 +0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] W32.Klez.gen@mm virus floating around?

 My point is, it will only open the attachment without
 giving you a chance to say no to the download if you
 give permission for things to be opened without giving
 you the chance to say no.

 So to say It will also open the attachment without
 giving you a chance to say no to the download is a
 bit...  daft?

 Not really. I am not sure how, but this thing definitely runs. For
 example, in the rare occasions I have to use the web to look at email
 http://www.mail2web.com ) I peeked at some mail with an attachment and it
 proceeded to run something... it said open in place or save to disk?...

I've had four copies, and it definitely cannot open/run itself on my
Win'2K/IE6/OE6 setup.




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 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:44:28 +0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb
 
  So I'm finally taking the big step and am in the
 process of upgrading
  my HD to a 20GB one.  I'm following some advice I
 saw on the list a
  while ago, using a windows boot disk's fdisk to
 partition out the
  first 8.4 minus hibernation space, and a second
 hibernation partition,
  then use a disk manager to partition the rest. 
 However, when I tried
  to fdisk, it can only see 7978 MB, and will only
 let me parition 1137
  MB.  Any ideas as to why?  I'm using a Win95 OSR2
 boot disk, my BIOS
  hasn't been upgraded (it's still 6.40), the HD is
 an IBM-DJSA-220.
 
 Don't know...
 What model of Libretto?
 What OS('s) are you going to run?
 
 
 
   3  
 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:21:47 +0100 (GMT/BST)
 From: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LIB] fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb
 
 Hmm, I make 7,978MB = 8,365,539,328 which sounds
 close enough to me...
 
 (you do know 1GB is not 1000 MB right??? )
 
 I measured the hibernation start as 8,373,335,040 on
 my 100CT, but the
 BIOS may be holding back a little more for some
 reason. Probably rounding
 to the nearest cylinder boundry according the the
 mapped geometry
 (multiple of 16065 sectors). Of course aligning to
 virtual cylinder
 boundries is completely pointless, but that is
 Microsoft for you..
 
 You don't have to reserve space for the hibernation
 partion if using
 windows FDISK. It gets the drive size from the BIOS,
 which automatically
 subtracts what it needs. That is the advantage of
 doing the FDISK on
 the Libretto rather than on a desktop. In fact it
 reserves 64M for
 hibernation, and an additional 12GB out of
 stupidity.
 
 The point where you have to be careful is when you
 use a more powerful
 os which knows about the entire disk to allocate the
 space on the
 other side of the hibernation area.
 
 Don't know about the 1137MB limit. Did you enable
 support for large
 disks when starting FDISK?
 
 Regards,
 DigbyT
 
 P.S. You didn't mention which Libretto you have -
 they may behave
 slightly differently.
 
  Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 05:44:35 +
  From: Cerulean Skies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: fdisk cannot partition 8.4gb
  
  So I'm finally taking the big step and am in the
 process of upgrading my HD 
  to a 20GB one.  I'm following some advice I saw on
 the list a while ago, 
  using a windows boot disk's fdisk to partition out
 the first 8.4 minus 
  hibernation space, and a second hibernation
 partition, then use a disk 
  manager to partition the rest.  However, when I
 tried to fdisk, it can only 
  see 7978 MB, and will only let me parition 1137
 MB.  Any ideas as to why?  
  I'm using a Win95 OSR2 boot disk, my 

Re: overlay programs [LIB]

2002-05-02 Thread Gennadiy Tsygan

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:11:06 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: overlay programs  [LIB]

I have never seen an exact figure. I would think, it varies wildly,
depending of file size, location, fragmentation, etc. I'll try to search
Microsoft web site for more info.


  Microsoft says that NTFS performs better

 It's primarily a speed advantage?
 Is there a vague rule-of-thunb figure for how much?





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Re: [LIB] win2k source directory

2002-05-02 Thread Gennadiy Tsygan

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:19:27 -0400
From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] win2k source directory



 Smartdrv helps improve disk access speeds.. Not by an awful lot though in
 my experience (but then again I've not done many installs on lower specced
 machines ...)

You are right, I don't remember it giving  big gains in regular work, back
in the DOS days, but improvements during the first phase of NT/2000/XP setup
are HUGE. I am talking at least 5 fold. Without smartdrive you will start
setup one day and finish next! If you set up other machines, you likely
booted with nt/2000 CD. In this case smartdrive is loaded automatically.






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