Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice She plays a lot of games, DVD movies, and loves coffee shops (wireless internet); I can only spend around 2,000.00 I would sincerely appreciate any and all advice, on this system, or any other out there. I'm considering buying this system: Inspiron 8600, Intel Pentium MProcessor 725 (1.6GHz), 15.4in WUXGA 0) Keep in mind that laptops, like most other computer components, depreciate AT LEAST 50% PER YEAR or MORE! In other words, you can expect to buy a new Inspiron 8600 for about 1/2 the price you are paying for it this year, or about $900 next year. This also means if you're smart and spend less, you can use the money you have left over to upgrade to a new system next year -- rather than spending a whole bunch this year, and not being able to upgrade next year, or the year after that as well. This is often times the 'smart' way to stay ahead of the game while spending a smaller amount each year. 1) The cheaper deal that would run rings around this baby would be the eMachines Athlon 64+ laptops. They've benchmarked very high in 3dMarks as well as standard office apps, and although not the ultimate highest in these marks, among the fastest available laptops for a really good price of $1400. Even PC Magazine rated it as the fastest notebook they've ever tested earlier this year, and you can get lots of tips on tweaking this notebook on the eMachines forums. http://www.dexplor.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=b626ba12cf1057831610a500feb04728 http://reviews.cnet.com/eMachines_M6811/4505-3121_7-30994117-5.html http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6810 Benchmarks on one guy's M6805 goes 11,000+ 3dmarks03/3100+ 3dmarks03 -- pretty awesome for a notebook w/o spending over $1400! (for comparison, GPU cooling (100°C-75°C)* Inspiron 8600 * 1.8ghz Pentium M * 128 MB Radeon 9600 Pro Turbo (337/242 - 400/300) * 2x256 MB DDR2700 SDRAM * Aquamark 3: 24058 * 3DMark'03: 3404 * 3DMark'01 SE: 13120) Use the difference and save it towards another laptop for next year! Or a Gameboy DS + PSP! 2) Better get at least a 3 year warranty + complete care if you're going the Dell route. Their laptops have dropped =significantly= in terms of reliability from the 2002/2003 to the 2004 year. See PCMag.com 2004 Reliability Survey. http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/7/0,1311,sz=1i=77230,00.gif Here, ignore the 'subjective' ratings, and look closely at the column that says : percent needing repair - 24%!!! I don't know about you, but 1 out of 4 notebooks from Dell.com being bad is no good in my book. Even Toshiba at 17% or SOny at 16% are far better deals. Then again, if you're cheap, nothing like giving your sister a bad notebook that'll have a good chance of breaking =p 3) BLACK FRIDAY! BLACK FRIDAY! BLACK FRIDAY!! Some of the very hottest sales are coming up in a few days, and the day right after Thanksgiving is usually the one loaded with the hotest Friday weekend prices around! (eg. last year, brand-new Toshiba notebook for $499 after rebates) Expect killer sales for those that wake up early (yes, you MUST BE IN LINE at BestBuy and most other places by 3AM or else you will not be able to buy the hot items! Just too many people reading www.fatwallet.com/forums/ - hot deals - search black friday for the numerous posts already up on all of the hottest deals steals). IF you're smart, you will take advantage of the usual Sat or Sun. Microcenter.com in-store sales, and make sure you do this right -- 1) get in line early, 2) scout out the store the day before for open-box deals and put them on hold if possible 3) sign up for the in-store Microcenter.com credit card, and take $100 off the purchase, including all sale prices!!! Yes, you can get a new iBook open-box for $999 usual, $899 open box, $699 after $300 in rebates, $599 after $100 credit card rebate = $599 for a $999 iBook like me last year. Excellent eBay resale, naturally, for some needed $. 4) Avoid anything with Celeron in them like the plague -- very poor battery life, and bechmarks on a 2.8Ghz Celeron are so slow, you might as well throw away your money. Pentium M CPUs typically run about 1.5x to 2x faster than they're rated, so a 2Ghz P-M is similar to a 3.0-3.4Ghz P4 (depending on application) in a laptop environement for the top end notebooks. BUT just like the recent PCMag.com review found in their annual notebook review, not all same-speed P-M CPU notebooks run as fast! So watch the benchmarks (here pcmag.com, www.cnet.com and other sites usually have lots of benchmarks), will give you a solid idea what you're buying. 5) As for wireless, if you get the cheaper eMachines, you can spend the rest on a Merlin G100 GPRS card ($100 on ebay.com) or usual aircard 555 from
Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice She plays a lot of games, DVD movies, and loves coffee shops (wireless internet); I can only spend around 2,000.00 I would sincerely appreciate any and all advice, on this system, or any other out there. I'm considering buying this system: Inspiron 8600, Intel Pentium MProcessor 725 (1.6GHz), 15.4in WUXGA 0) Keep in mind that laptops, like most other computer components, depreciate AT LEAST 50% PER YEAR or MORE! In other words, you can expect to buy a new Inspiron 8600 for about 1/2 the price you are paying for it this year, or about $900 next year. This also means if you're smart and spend less, you can use the money you have left over to upgrade to a new system next year -- rather than spending a whole bunch this year, and not being able to upgrade next year, or the year after that as well. This is often times the 'smart' way to stay ahead of the game while spending a smaller amount each year. 1) The cheaper deal that would run rings around this baby would be the eMachines Athlon 64+ laptops. They've benchmarked very high in 3dMarks as well as standard office apps, and although not the ultimate highest in these marks, among the fastest available laptops for a really good price of $1400. Even PC Magazine rated it as the fastest notebook they've ever tested earlier this year, and you can get lots of tips on tweaking this notebook on the eMachines forums. http://www.dexplor.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=b626ba12cf1057831610a500feb04728 http://reviews.cnet.com/eMachines_M6811/4505-3121_7-30994117-5.html http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6810 Benchmarks on one guy's M6805 goes 11,000+ 3dmarks03/3100+ 3dmarks03 -- pretty awesome for a notebook w/o spending over $1400! (for comparison, GPU cooling (100°C-75°C)* Inspiron 8600 * 1.8ghz Pentium M * 128 MB Radeon 9600 Pro Turbo (337/242 - 400/300) * 2x256 MB DDR2700 SDRAM * Aquamark 3: 24058 * 3DMark'03: 3404 * 3DMark'01 SE: 13120) Use the difference and save it towards another laptop for next year! Or a Gameboy DS + PSP! 2) Better get at least a 3 year warranty + complete care if you're going the Dell route. Their laptops have dropped =significantly= in terms of reliability from the 2002/2003 to the 2004 year. See PCMag.com 2004 Reliability Survey. http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/7/0,1311,sz=1i=77230,00.gif Here, ignore the 'subjective' ratings, and look closely at the column that says : percent needing repair - 24%!!! I don't know about you, but 1 out of 4 notebooks from Dell.com being bad is no good in my book. Even Toshiba at 17% or SOny at 16% are far better deals. Then again, if you're cheap, nothing like giving your sister a bad notebook that'll have a good chance of breaking =p 3) BLACK FRIDAY! BLACK FRIDAY! BLACK FRIDAY!! Some of the very hottest sales are coming up in a few days, and the day right after Thanksgiving is usually the one loaded with the hotest Friday weekend prices around! (eg. last year, brand-new Toshiba notebook for $499 after rebates) Expect killer sales for those that wake up early (yes, you MUST BE IN LINE at BestBuy and most other places by 3AM or else you will not be able to buy the hot items! Just too many people reading www.fatwallet.com/forums/ - hot deals - search black friday for the numerous posts already up on all of the hottest deals steals). IF you're smart, you will take advantage of the usual Sat or Sun. Microcenter.com in-store sales, and make sure you do this right -- 1) get in line early, 2) scout out the store the day before for open-box deals and put them on hold if possible 3) sign up for the in-store Microcenter.com credit card, and take $100 off the purchase, including all sale prices!!! Yes, you can get a new iBook open-box for $999 usual, $899 open box, $699 after $300 in rebates, $599 after $100 credit card rebate = $599 for a $999 iBook like me last year. Excellent eBay resale, naturally, for some needed $. 4) Avoid anything with Celeron in them like the plague -- very poor battery life, and bechmarks on a 2.8Ghz Celeron are so slow, you might as well throw away your money. Pentium M CPUs typically run about 1.5x to 2x faster than they're rated, so a 2Ghz P-M is similar to a 3.0-3.4Ghz P4 (depending on application) in a laptop environement for the top end notebooks. BUT just like the recent PCMag.com review found in their annual notebook review, not all same-speed P-M CPU notebooks run as fast! So watch the benchmarks (here pcmag.com, www.cnet.com and other sites usually have lots of benchmarks), will give you a solid idea what you're buying. 5) As for wireless, if you get the cheaper eMachines, you can spend the rest on a Merlin G100 GPRS card ($100 on ebay.com) or usual aircard 555 from
Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:59:39 -0700 From: Tory Braybrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice IMHO, Typically good Laptop brands are IBM, Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony. IBMs are typically no-frill, solid units. Toshiba are typically reliable and good value. Panasonic Toughbooks range from rugged to indestructible. Sony are expensive and very flashy units. Dell used to be a good choice, but their quality has dropped somewhat in recent years. Still, they have decent support and good prices. Haven't looked too much at Fujitsu recently - I suspect they are hard to find in Canada, so I can't comment on them. Above and beyond brand names, anything based on the Pentium-M chip (Like the Centrino platform stuff) is a good way to go. You usually get a much more portable and battery friendly machine than trying to go with a P4 or Athlon. Tory
Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:27:16 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice David Chien : GREAT post...THANK YOU very much!! Great advice from everyone else...thank you everyone!! -Joseph - Original Message - From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice She plays a lot of games, DVD movies, and loves coffee shops (wireless internet); I can only spend around 2,000.00 I would sincerely appreciate any and all advice, on this system, or any other out there. I'm considering buying this system: Inspiron 8600, Intel Pentium MProcessor 725 (1.6GHz), 15.4in WUXGA 0) Keep in mind that laptops, like most other computer components, depreciate AT LEAST 50% PER YEAR or MORE! In other words, you can expect to buy a new Inspiron 8600 for about 1/2 the price you are paying for it this year, or about $900 next year. This also means if you're smart and spend less, you can use the money you have left over to upgrade to a new system next year -- rather than spending a whole bunch this year, and not being able to upgrade next year, or the year after that as well. This is often times the 'smart' way to stay ahead of the game while spending a smaller amount each year. 1) The cheaper deal that would run rings around this baby would be the eMachines Athlon 64+ laptops. They've benchmarked very high in 3dMarks as well as standard office apps, and although not the ultimate highest in these marks, among the fastest available laptops for a really good price of $1400. Even PC Magazine rated it as the fastest notebook they've ever tested earlier this year, and you can get lots of tips on tweaking this notebook on the eMachines forums. http://www.dexplor.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=b626ba12cf1057831610a500feb04728 http://reviews.cnet.com/eMachines_M6811/4505-3121_7-30994117-5.html http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6810 Benchmarks on one guy's M6805 goes 11,000+ 3dmarks03/3100+ 3dmarks03 -- pretty awesome for a notebook w/o spending over $1400! (for comparison, GPU cooling (100°C-75°C)* Inspiron 8600 * 1.8ghz Pentium M * 128 MB Radeon 9600 Pro Turbo (337/242 - 400/300) * 2x256 MB DDR2700 SDRAM * Aquamark 3: 24058 * 3DMark'03: 3404 * 3DMark'01 SE: 13120) Use the difference and save it towards another laptop for next year! Or a Gameboy DS + PSP! 2) Better get at least a 3 year warranty + complete care if you're going the Dell route. Their laptops have dropped =significantly= in terms of reliability from the 2002/2003 to the 2004 year. See PCMag.com 2004 Reliability Survey. http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/7/0,1311,sz=1i=77230,00.gif Here, ignore the 'subjective' ratings, and look closely at the column that says : percent needing repair - 24%!!! I don't know about you, but 1 out of 4 notebooks from Dell.com being bad is no good in my book. Even Toshiba at 17% or SOny at 16% are far better deals. Then again, if you're cheap, nothing like giving your sister a bad notebook that'll have a good chance of breaking =p 3) BLACK FRIDAY! BLACK FRIDAY! BLACK FRIDAY!! Some of the very hottest sales are coming up in a few days, and the day right after Thanksgiving is usually the one loaded with the hotest Friday weekend prices around! (eg. last year, brand-new Toshiba notebook for $499 after rebates) Expect killer sales for those that wake up early (yes, you MUST BE IN LINE at BestBuy and most other places by 3AM or else you will not be able to buy the hot items! Just too many people reading www.fatwallet.com/forums/ - hot deals - search black friday for the numerous posts already up on all of the hottest deals steals). IF you're smart, you will take advantage of the usual Sat or Sun. Microcenter.com in-store sales, and make sure you do this right -- 1) get in line early, 2) scout out the store the day before for open-box deals and put them on hold if possible 3) sign up for the in-store Microcenter.com credit card, and take $100 off the purchase, including all sale prices!!! Yes, you can get a new iBook open-box for $999 usual, $899 open box, $699 after $300 in rebates, $599 after $100 credit card rebate = $599 for a $999 iBook like me last year. Excellent eBay resale, naturally, for some needed $. 4) Avoid anything with Celeron in them like the plague -- very poor battery life, and bechmarks on a 2.8Ghz Celeron are so slow, you might as well throw away your money. Pentium M CPUs typically run about 1.5x to 2x faster than they're rated, so a 2Ghz P-M is similar to a 3.0-3.4Ghz P4 (depending on application) in a laptop environement for the top end notebooks. BUT just like the recent PCMag.com review found in their annual
[LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:44:34 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HELP: Laptop Advice I'm buying a laptop for my sister as a Christmas present and I know next to nothing about what's out there now. For me, my 110CT does it all, but she has other requirements. She plays a lot of games, DVD movies, and loves coffee shops (wireless internet); I can only spend around 2,000.00 I would sincerely appreciate any and all advice, on this system, or any other out there. I'm considering buying this system: Inspiron 8600, Intel Pentium MProcessor 725 (1.6GHz), 15.4in WUXGA Qty: 1 Unit Price: $1,887.20 [LP16PHN] - [221-5929] I8600C,15.4 IN WUXGA,PM,725(1. [1024M2P] - [462-5976] SAVE $50: 1GB,DDR,333MHZ,2 DIM [ATI128M] - [320-2902] 128MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 [60G7200] - [340-9766] 60GB ULTRA ATA HARD DRIVE (720 [65W ] - [312-0176] 65 WATT POWER ADAPTOR, I8600 [WHXP ] - [412-0408] [WHXP ] - [313-2174] [WHXP ] - [313-2208] [WHXP ] - [412-0689] [WHXP ] - [420-4766] [WHXP ] - [463-2282] GENERIC INSPIRON DELL SUPPORT DELL APPLICATION BACK-UP CD,W/INSPIRON TOOLS CD IMAGE RESTORE, INSP WINDOWS XP HOME,SP2,ENG,INSP THANKS FOR PURCHASING YOUR DEL [INTNIC ] - [430-0493] INTEGRATED NIC AND MODEM [ADOBER ] - [430-1048] ADOBE ACROBAT READER,V6.0,INSP [24COMBO] - [313-2182] [24COMBO] - [430-1050] 24X COMBO - DVD/CD-RW,8600 DECODING SW,CYBERLINK POWERDVD [TM1450I] - [430-0925] DELL WIRELESS 1450,A/B/G,600M/ [NS ] - [412-0734] NO SECURITY SUBSCRIPTION, MCAF [MMBASE ] - [412-0691] MUSIC MATCH 8.2,BASIC,DIM/INSP [ADDBATT] - [312-0066] 72WATT PRIMARY BATTERY I8500 [AOLDHS ] - [412-0585] [AOLDHS ] - [412-0625] [AOLDHS ] - [420-3224] [AOLDHS ] - [412-0687] AOL DHS DELL/MY WAY HOME PAGE BROADBAND ICON FOR CONSUMER NETZERO ISP,DIM/INSP [DPS ] - [412-0521] DELL PHOTO ALBUM STANDARD [ICORELM] - [412-0556] [ICORELM] - [412-0714] MS ENCLYC 2004,INSP WORDPERFECT PROD PACK,V12,ENG, [S2OS ] - [950-1000] [S2OS ] - [950-1001] [S2OS ] - [950-3338] [S2OS ] - [412-0360] [S2OS ] - [960-2780] [S2OS ] - [900-8221] NBD,INSP,BSC,INIT YR,DHS (HIGNBD,INSP,BSC,1YR EXT,DHS (HIGH2YR LIMITED WARRANTY SOFT CONTRACTS - BANCTEC TECH SUPPORT, INSPIRON, INITIATECH SUPPORT, INSPIRON, 1 YR E [CCADP2 ] - [960-3708] [CCADP2 ] - [412-0358] CC ACC DAM SVC,INSP,2YR,DHS SOFT CONTRACTS - CONSUMER COMP Dell Media Experience,v2.1, for Inspiron Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 DISCOUNT/COUPON APPLIED Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 $49 SHIPPING MAIL-IN REBATE 55110. Reimburses ship cost. Redeem within 30 days of ship at www.dell4me.com/rebates Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 Subtotal: $1,887.20 Shipping: $49.00 Tax: $15.07 Total: $1,951.27 Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:27:41 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice In a message dated 11/15/2004 7:44:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm buying a laptop for my sister as a Christmas present and I know next to nothing about what's out there now. For me, my 110CT does it all, but she has other requirements. She plays a lot of games, DVD movies, and loves coffee shops (wireless internet); I can only spend around 2,000.00 I would sincerely appreciate any and all advice, on this system, or any other out there. I'm considering buying this system: Inspiron 8600, Intel Pentium MProcessor 725 (1.6GHz), 15.4in WUXGA Qty: 1 Unit Price: $1,887.20 [LP16PHN] - [221-5929] I8600C,15.4 IN WUXGA,PM,725(1. [1024M2P] - [462-5976] SAVE $50: 1GB,DDR,333MHZ,2 DIM [ATI128M] - [320-2902] 128MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 [60G7200] - [340-9766] 60GB ULTRA ATA HARD DRIVE (720 [65W ] - [312-0176] 65 WATT POWER ADAPTOR, I8600 [WHXP ] - [412-0408] [WHXP ] - [313-2174] [WHXP ] - [313-2208] [WHXP ] - [412-0689] [WHXP ] - [420-4766] [WHXP ] - [463-2282] GENERIC INSPIRON DELL SUPPORT DELL APPLICATION BACK-UP CD,W/INSPIRON TOOLS CD IMAGE RESTORE, INSP WINDOWS XP HOME,SP2,ENG,INSP THANKS FOR PURCHASING YOUR DEL [INTNIC ] - [430-0493] INTEGRATED NIC AND MODEM [ADOBER ] - [430-1048] ADOBE ACROBAT READER,V6.0,INSP [24COMBO] - [313-2182] [24COMBO] - [430-1050] 24X COMBO - DVD/CD-RW,8600 DECODING SW,CYBERLINK POWERDVD [TM1450I] - [430-0925] DELL WIRELESS 1450,A/B/G,600M/ [NS ] - [412-0734] NO SECURITY SUBSCRIPTION, MCAF [MMBASE ] - [412-0691] MUSIC MATCH 8.2,BASIC,DIM/INSP [ADDBATT] - [312-0066] 72WATT PRIMARY BATTERY I8500 [AOLDHS ] - [412-0585] [AOLDHS ] - [412-0625] [AOLDHS ] - [420-3224] [AOLDHS ] - [412-0687] AOL DHS DELL/MY WAY HOME PAGE BROADBAND ICON FOR CONSUMER NETZERO ISP,DIM/INSP [DPS ] - [412-0521] DELL PHOTO ALBUM STANDARD [ICORELM] - [412-0556] [ICORELM] - [412-0714] MS ENCLYC 2004,INSP WORDPERFECT PROD PACK,V12,ENG, [S2OS ] - [950-1000] [S2OS ] - [950-1001] [S2OS ] - [950-3338] [S2OS ] - [412-0360] [S2OS ] - [960-2780] [S2OS ] - [900-8221] NBD,INSP,BSC,INIT YR,DHS (HIGNBD,INSP,BSC,1YR EXT,DHS (HIGH2YR LIMITED WARRANTY SOFT CONTRACTS - BANCTEC TECH SUPPORT, INSPIRON, INITIATECH SUPPORT, INSPIRON, 1 YR E [CCADP2 ] - [960-3708] [CCADP2 ] - [412-0358] CC ACC DAM SVC,INSP,2YR,DHS SOFT CONTRACTS - CONSUMER COMP Dell Media Experience,v2.1, for Inspiron Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 DISCOUNT/COUPON APPLIED Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 $49 SHIPPING MAIL-IN REBATE 55110. Reimburses ship cost. Redeem within 30 days of ship at www.dell4me.com/rebates Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 Subtotal: $1,887.20 Shipping: $49.00 Tax: $15.07 Total: $1,951.27 You might take a look at the Fujitsu laptops, they seem to have good build quality and perhaps the best combination of features within each category. You should be able to break the $2000 barrier, too. Lee
Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:33:50 -0800 From: Mark Srebnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice I agree with Lee. Take a good look at Fujitsu's. Make some really nice laptops. The P7010D is a great little laptop with good performance, small size, and most features that you would want They have some other good ones as well if you want something a bit larger... HTH, Mark on 11/15/04 7:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:27:41 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] HELP: Laptop Advice In a message dated 11/15/2004 7:44:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm buying a laptop for my sister as a Christmas present and I know next to nothing about what's out there now. For me, my 110CT does it all, but she has other requirements. She plays a lot of games, DVD movies, and loves coffee shops (wireless internet); I can only spend around 2,000.00 I would sincerely appreciate any and all advice, on this system, or any other out there. I'm considering buying this system: Inspiron 8600, Intel Pentium MProcessor 725 (1.6GHz), 15.4in WUXGA Qty: 1 Unit Price: $1,887.20 [LP16PHN] - [221-5929] I8600C,15.4 IN WUXGA,PM,725(1. [1024M2P] - [462-5976] SAVE $50: 1GB,DDR,333MHZ,2 DIM [ATI128M] - [320-2902] 128MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 [60G7200] - [340-9766] 60GB ULTRA ATA HARD DRIVE (720 [65W ] - [312-0176] 65 WATT POWER ADAPTOR, I8600 [WHXP ] - [412-0408] [WHXP ] - [313-2174] [WHXP ] - [313-2208] [WHXP ] - [412-0689] [WHXP ] - [420-4766] [WHXP ] - [463-2282] GENERIC INSPIRON DELL SUPPORT DELL APPLICATION BACK-UP CD,W/INSPIRON TOOLS CD IMAGE RESTORE, INSP WINDOWS XP HOME,SP2,ENG,INSP THANKS FOR PURCHASING YOUR DEL [INTNIC ] - [430-0493] INTEGRATED NIC AND MODEM [ADOBER ] - [430-1048] ADOBE ACROBAT READER,V6.0,INSP [24COMBO] - [313-2182] [24COMBO] - [430-1050] 24X COMBO - DVD/CD-RW,8600 DECODING SW,CYBERLINK POWERDVD [TM1450I] - [430-0925] DELL WIRELESS 1450,A/B/G,600M/ [NS ] - [412-0734] NO SECURITY SUBSCRIPTION, MCAF [MMBASE ] - [412-0691] MUSIC MATCH 8.2,BASIC,DIM/INSP [ADDBATT] - [312-0066] 72WATT PRIMARY BATTERY I8500 [AOLDHS ] - [412-0585] [AOLDHS ] - [412-0625] [AOLDHS ] - [420-3224] [AOLDHS ] - [412-0687] AOL DHS DELL/MY WAY HOME PAGE BROADBAND ICON FOR CONSUMER NETZERO ISP,DIM/INSP [DPS ] - [412-0521] DELL PHOTO ALBUM STANDARD [ICORELM] - [412-0556] [ICORELM] - [412-0714] MS ENCLYC 2004,INSP WORDPERFECT PROD PACK,V12,ENG, [S2OS ] - [950-1000] [S2OS ] - [950-1001] [S2OS ] - [950-3338] [S2OS ] - [412-0360] [S2OS ] - [960-2780] [S2OS ] - [900-8221] NBD,INSP,BSC,INIT YR,DHS (HIGNBD,INSP,BSC,1YR EXT,DHS (HIGH2YR LIMITED WARRANTY SOFT CONTRACTS - BANCTEC TECH SUPPORT, INSPIRON, INITIATECH SUPPORT, INSPIRON, 1 YR E [CCADP2 ] - [960-3708] [CCADP2 ] - [412-0358] CC ACC DAM SVC,INSP,2YR,DHS SOFT CONTRACTS - CONSUMER COMP Dell Media Experience,v2.1, for Inspiron Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 DISCOUNT/COUPON APPLIED Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 $49 SHIPPING MAIL-IN REBATE 55110. Reimburses ship cost. Redeem within 30 days of ship at www.dell4me.com/rebates Qty: 1 Unit Price: $0.00 Subtotal: $1,887.20 Shipping: $49.00 Tax: $15.07 Total: $1,951.27 You might take a look at the Fujitsu laptops, they seem to have good build quality and perhaps the best combination of features within each category. You should be able to break the $2000 barrier, too. Lee