Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:22:30 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... From: Lou S [EMAIL PROTECTED] But are you saying that you are getting spam with [LIB] in the subject? No, not at all, I said that when I use the word [LIB] as a filter for my Subject lne - ALL spam ceases to get into my mailbox, it's deleted at otmail's server. Like others on the list have learned, I can be downlright dense about understanding what is obvious to others. But when I create Hotmail filters, select subject line, select how to process the text to be filtered, enter the text, [LIB] here, and a destination where to send any email with that text in the subject line, any incoming mail with [LIB] in the subject line goes to that directory. But you say you're not getting SPAM with [LIB] in the subject line, of course. I just am not grasping how you're setting up a Hotmail filter for [LIB] on a subject line, and end up filtering any kind of SPAM that naturally doesn't come with this on the subject. You must be sending all list messages to a specified folder, which then of course not contain SPAM. And it'll be SPAM that makes it past the SPAM filter, that ends up in the Inbox. If that's what you're doing, I understand. But unless you have broadband, and can quickly click on the option to view all your folders after you log on, and then click on the Lib list folder, It can be a slow process on a 56k dialup connection when you have a lot of saved files in your Inbox. I found that by setting the SPAM filter to its highest setting, most all SPAM gets sent to Trash these days. Spammers are not going to selectively word the Subject line of each spam they send out even if they knew the words you filter on. Yeah... it's just the opposite. They're clever enough to create phoney email addresses that change each time they send out SPAM. If everyone would simply remember that all spammers are thieves and liars w/o exception, no one would ever reply to their email to begin with and they'd all have to get real jobs instead of stealing from the public. They are sweethearts, aren't they? ;-P If you use Norton Internet Security or AtGuard, one way to block these things is to setup the adblocker to block anything with the string www.atlantistech.com that blocks the script that makes your browser send an e-mail. But you say that simply turning off Java accomplished the same thing, right? I've forgotten to disable in the past when reloading OSs. But I find I rarely need it, and am content to turn it on when I come across a situation, like online banking, where I need it. Matt (Shel) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:46:15 -0400 From: Lou S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... Hi Matthew But are you saying that you are getting spam with [LIB] in the subject? No, not at all, I said that when I use the word [LIB] as a filter for my Subject lne - ALL spam ceases to get into my mailbox, it's deleted at Hotmail's server. I also have one other filter that only members of a hobby club I correspond with use, that makes it impossible to receive any spam in my mailbox. Spammers are not going to selectively word the Subject line of each spam they send out even if they knew the words you filter on. If everyone would simply remember that all spammers are thieves and liars w/o exception, no one would ever reply to their email to begin with and they'd all have to get real jobs instead of stealing from the public. But we do have a few individuals in our society that aren't too bright and actually reply to spammers and even send them money - which they lose - all spammer are thieves, the rest of us filter our email. If you use Norton Internet Security or AtGuard, one way to block these things is to setup the adblocker to block anything with the string www.atlantistech.com that blocks the script that makes your brwoser send an e-mail. Very, very interesting Lou! I suspected this sort of thing was going on. But you're saying it's when you have Java activated, right? Matt Java has been called the culprit of a lot of browser problems for yrs. I use IE 5, Netscape 3 and 4.7 and Opera 4 on my PC at the same time. Each one acts differently and they all crash on occasion when Java is enabled. Opera seems to handle it the best and it loads Web pages super fast compared to IE which is pathetically slw. I usually disable Java in Netscape which has my real ISP email address in it, run Java on IE and have found Opera runs a bit funky w/Java. Sometimes Web site acknowledge it, other times they balk and say it's not operational even though I have it enabled. But I NEVER get popups with Opera! My IE has only a fake address placed in it since I never email with it, so IF Java were the culprit here (I'm told that it is on occasion), the browser wouldn't send my real email address out anyway. Search the Net, there are lots of posts and info concerning security flaws in IE with Java enabled. That's why Micro$oft keeps offering patches for their browser. One catch with some email was that the sender would place a code in his email to tell your browser to go to his Web site and download a Gif. Once it did it also confirmed that the code, unique to you, was used and he now knows the email address he sent that code to is active. when I get email from a Yahoo group I subscribe to, I only read it off line which eliminates all the ads their email tells your browser to fetch once you open the email if you're online. Again, if the Lib group's moderator/owner were to eliminate all of our email addresses from showing up in our posts (like mine did in your reply to me Matt), spam would drop off and even be nonexistant for new email accounts since no one would ever have access to those email addresses. An ounce of prevention...or we need to keep useing throw away accounts like Hotmail for posting to the Net. - Lou S _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:21:01 -0400 From: Lou S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... FYI, I was just browsing the Net on an unrelated search and stumbled unto the below links. Using Java can give away your email address as can reading spam that comes in, in some cases. One way to cut down on spam would be to have the Server for the Libretto List to strip our email addresses out of our posts. The only way I get spam these days is from posting here. But w/Hotmail filters I see only 6 of the 100+ spams my trash can gets a week. If I filter based on the [LIB] signature in the Subject line, I get zero, nada, none, not even one! spam. - Lou S I don't quite understand how MY email address gets from my Lib's W98 installation to the website I'm filling in a form for. I've only entered my email address into Eudora. But I'm wondering if Windows, or MSIE which is part of the OS, is able to grab my email address from Eudora. I know that a few years back, I used to post forms from my own website. The forms used the HTML mailto tags to send the forms to my ISP email address. The forms I submitted to myself came through with my email I can only guess that Windows and/or MSIE and maybe Netscape, manage to find email addresses configured into mail clients, and uses them in response to the mailto HTML tags on websites. Now, with SiteGuest, you can capture the names and email addresses of visitors to your web sites! http://realtytimes.com/rtnews/rtapages/19980911_callerID.htm This is one site that will explain how some folks can grab your email address. You can also browse through the posts linked to this search: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enthreadm=NDwr6.829%24on6.567349%40typhoon2.ba-dsg.netrnum=18prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522edward%2Bmendelson%2522%26hl%3Den%26start%3D10%26sa%3DN If you use Norton Internet Security or AtGuard, one way to block these things is to setup the adblocker to block anything with the string www.atlantistech.com -- that blocks the script that makes your brwoser send an e-mail. (a post from the above search) _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:30:07 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... In my opinion the only safe way to read e-mail is with a mail client, not a web browser. Anytime I am in a situation where I am away from home and have to use a Windows machine to read my mail, I *never* open a message from anyone I do not know. I currently use 'elm' though I know it is a bit antiquated, running on BSD Unix. I still get tons of spam, but at least I know it can't do any harm. What I would like to do is find a way of rejecting all messages that are in HTML, as 99.9% of the HTML e-mail I get is SPAM - and the remainder should know better.. Currently about 30% of the messages I am receiving in my mailbox are SPAM, and as the average size of this HTML rubbish is ten times the size of legitimate mail messages, that is an infuriatingly low signal to noise ratio -if my maths is not too rusty, that is about 80% of the data received is rubbish :-/ ... Also, there has been mention on another mailing list I subscribe to, of a change of policy at yahoo.com such that they now sell e-mail addresses to third parties (ie spammers). Anyone using yahoo might want to check their current policy documents... Does the 'news.admin.net-abuse.email' group have a mailing list feed? Regards, DigbyT Lou S: Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... [snip] Just reading a spam can tell the spammer all he needs to know. I read none of the garbage that comes in. I block everything by domain name if possible but never actually read the spam itself. If the spammer includes a command in the email that tells your browser to go to their Web site to download a jpeg file that wasn't in the email they sent you, they can place a code in that jpeg request so they know it came from a specific email address which will tell them that your email address is active = lots more spam because they can now sell your address as active to other lusers of society (spammers). The nice people on news.admin.net-abuse.email can better explain spamming to you, they make an art out of killing spammers accounts, and they're pretty good at it too. Spammers hate news.admin.net-abuse.email If your email account is strictly for the libretto server, then filter mail based on the [LIB] which appears in the subject line of mail from the server. Tell it to only accept mail with [LIB] in the subject line, nothing else will get through. -- Digby R. S. Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:16:46 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... At 01:33 PM 10/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:30:07 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... In my opinion the only safe way to read e-mail is with a mail client, not a web browser. Most Windows (and some Unix) email clients understand HTML ... What I would like to do is find a way of rejecting all messages that are in HTML, as 99.9% of the HTML e-mail I get is SPAM - and the remainder should know better.. Filter on HTML content? (most of this spam will have image tags and font formatting tags in them, perhaps you can filter on any message that contains an image tag and a font formatting tag? You can't filter on standard HTML headers because most email readers that understand HTML don't need those) Also, there has been mention on another mailing list I subscribe to, of a change of policy at yahoo.com such that they now sell e-mail addresses to third parties (ie spammers). Anyone using yahoo might want to check their current policy documents... Heh thats why you give each place a different email address (my raybotlst address is only for this list for instance). Does the 'news.admin.net-abuse.email' group have a mailing list feed? Dunno but don't spam it with spam reports ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:32:17 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... Pres alert! No Libretto content below. Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:00:15 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:59:42 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't quite understand how MY email address gets from my Lib's W98 installation to the website I'm filling in a form for. I've only entered my email address into Eudora. But I'm wondering if Windows, or MSIE which is part of the OS, is able to grab my email address from Eudora. I know that a few years back, I used to post forms from my own website. The forms used the HTML mailto tags to send the forms to my ISP email address. The forms I submitted to myself came through with my email address listed clearly as the address the form was posted from. I also found that when people filled in a form on my website, they would frequently fill in the box for their email address. Sometimes that data matched the address the form was posted from, and sometimes it didnt. The latter I would later find out was because they had been using a friends, library, business, or school computer to submit the form. There must be enough people on the list writing HTML and server scripts who know whether or not email addresses can be harvested like this. Could it be how I have W98 set up on my L70? Matt More likely, a robot has done a web crawl and trawled you that way. A google on taku_skan_skan returns 143 hits, from the libretto archives. A search for @hotmail.com returns 2.6 million - and remember, these are only the pages that someone else has linked to. Actually, I wasn't thinking about the SPAM I'm getting to my Hotmail email account. I was thinking about all the SPAM I get to my ISP email account. Way back in '95 or so, I began guarding my ISP email address from going out onto the net anywhere. That's why I use Yahoo and Hotmail. If I give any online websites, businesses, etc., an email address to contact me at, I give them those addresses. I never put my ISP email address into anything on the net where it might be found by a roving robotic worm. Yet I still get a decent amount of SPAM to that email account. And a while ago I began to suspect that every time I filled in a form on the web, that IPS email address was being used to transmit the form to the website's server script via that mailto tag somehow. I haven't entered my email address into MSIE, only Eudora. But if I went to my website right now, and filled in a form there and submitted it (I retested this a month ago), I will receive that form in the form of an email message at an online email account I set up for my website email. In the header for that email containing the form data from my website, my ISP email address is listed plain and clear. I don't know quite how that works, or if all forms submitted to websites by everyone do the same thing. Hecks... I could have harvested a ton of email addresses from forms submitted to my website! I can only guess that Windows and/or MSIE and maybe Netscape, manage to find email addresses configured into mail clients, and uses them in response to the mailto HTML tags on websites. I'm still wondering if anyone involved in HTML and writing server scripts might know what's going on with this. Matt _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:11:43 -0400 From: Lou S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... I can only guess that Windows and/or MSIE and maybe Netscape, manage to find email addresses configured into mail clients, and uses them in response to the mailto HTML tags on websites. I'm still wondering if anyone involved in HTML and writing server scripts might know what's going on with this. Matt As I recall reading in the past, someone who knows what he is doing could enable a Java applet or script to delve into your mail client and come up w/the address, unknown if this is really true. I just happen to not run Java on my one browser (Netscape) that allows me email access. I do use it with the browsers (Opera, Internet Explorer) that have no email info imbedded in them but usually turn it on only when needed. Not using it eliminates pop up messages/advertisements. Also, make sure you do not check the box for Send email address as anonymous FTP password if your browser (Netscape) allows for such. Not a good thing to do. Just reading a spam can tell the spammer all he needs to know. I read none of the garbage that comes in. I block everything by domain name if possible but never actually read the spam itself. If the spammer includes a command in the email that tells your browser to go to their Web site to download a jpeg file that wasn't in the email they sent you, they can place a code in that jpeg request so they know it came from a specific email address which will tell them that your email address is active = lots more spam because they can now sell your address as active to other lusers of society (spammers). The nice people on news.admin.net-abuse.email can better explain spamming to you, they make an art out of killing spammers accounts, and they're pretty good at it too. Spammers hate news.admin.net-abuse.email If your email account is strictly for the libretto server, then filter mail based on the [LIB] which appears in the subject line of mail from the server. Tell it to only accept mail with [LIB] in the subject line, nothing else will get through. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:47:31 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:06:31 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SPAM ugh... Again, this time... am I the only one on the list getting daily, or 2/day pieces of SPAM into my mailbox every day now with a slew of similar email addresses CCed: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc Or is it just specific Hotmail users who clicked on something on the web that generated this? Each day these arrive from yet another bogus email address. Nope, I get occasional bursts cc'd to nailed*.*@hotmail... _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:47:09 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... I'm still wondering if my suspicions are correct, and that every time someone fills in web form and submits it to the website, that his ISP email address is passed along with the info he's entered into the form. Does anyone know if one's dial-up account's email address is what is used to send web forms? Heh well it can't possibly happen on my computer ... I've never even ENTERED my ISP email address into it except in a Telnet window ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:41:09 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again, this time... am I the only one on the list getting daily, or 2/day pieces of SPAM into my mailbox every day now with a slew of similar email addresses CCed: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc Or is it just specific Hotmail users who clicked on something on the web that generated this? Each day these arrive from yet another bogus email address. Nope, I get occasional bursts cc'd to nailed*.*@hotmail... So I guess it's a pie the guys at Hotmail working with the folks up in Redlands have their fingers in, and not something happening as a result of the lib list. At least if it's only a problem for people subscribing to the list via Hotmail. Matt _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:59:42 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] SPAM ugh... Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:47:09 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm still wondering if my suspicions are correct, and that every time someone fills in web form and submits it to the website, that his ISP email address is passed along with the info he's entered into the form. Does anyone know if one's dial-up account's email address is what is used to send web forms? Heh well it can't possibly happen on my computer ... I've never even ENTERED my ISP email address into it except in a Telnet window ;-) - Raymond I don't quite understand how MY email address gets from my Lib's W98 installation to the website I'm filling in a form for. I've only entered my email address into Eudora. But I'm wondering if Windows, or MSIE which is part of the OS, is able to grab my email address from Eudora. I know that a few years back, I used to post forms from my own website. The forms used the HTML mailto tags to send the forms to my ISP email address. The forms I submitted to myself came through with my email address listed clearly as the address the form was posted from. I also found that when people filled in a form on my website, they would frequently fill in the box for their email address. Sometimes that data matched the address the form was posted from, and sometimes it didnt. The latter I would later find out was because they had been using a friends, library, business, or school computer to submit the form. There must be enough people on the list writing HTML and server scripts who know whether or not email addresses can be harvested like this. Could it be how I have W98 set up on my L70? Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] SPAM ugh...
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:06:31 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SPAM ugh... Again, this time... am I the only one on the list getting daily, or 2/day pieces of SPAM into my mailbox every day now with a slew of similar email addresses CCed: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or is it just specific Hotmail users who clicked on something on the web that generated this? Each day these arrive from yet another bogus email address. I'm still wondering if my suspicions are correct, and that every time someone fills in web form and submits it to the website, that his ISP email address is passed along with the info hes entered into the form. Does anyone know if ones dial-up accounts email address is what is used to send web forms? Matt _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **