[LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:12:13 -0400 From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? Okay, I've gone through the archives until my eyes were red and dry. I've managed to get nowhere with this. I've got a Lib 110 with a 12 GB HDD, no CD-ROM drive, and a spare desktop PC. So, here's what I did. 1) Fdisk from the Libretto, making one (nearly) 8GB Primary Partition. I left off about 70 MB at the end for a hibernation area, although I may have to reallocate to *after* the 8GB mark, based on what I see in the archives. Regardless, this is fairly unimportant. 2) Removed 12GB drive and added to a Windows 2000 box, making a ~4 GB partition, formatted for FAT32, with the Win2000 (full version) CD contents copied to it. 3) Set 12 GB as the primary master, rebooted with the CD-ROM still hooked up, and did the first run Win2000 install, formatting the first ~8GB as NTFS. 4) Shutdown, transplanted hard drive to Libby, and then all hell broke loose. I get an INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE Stop Error when it tries to come up. If I leave the drive in the desktop, it gets up to the configuration portion. I'd just do the entire install from the D: drive, but the problem with that is I lack a boot disk with SmartDrive, so it takes forever to make it work without using the PC and the CDROM drive. So, what's wrong with the method here? Do I a) just suck up a few lost hours to SmartDrive? b) Format C: to FAT32? (Only an option if this makes half a damned bit of difference!) c) Send it to a Service Center (I'm still under warranty, just not for 2000) for a clean 98 install? d) chuck this thing on ebay with all the accessories that I've invested in for a minimal return? I'd prefer an answer e) which provides the magical solution of making the partitions a certain size, but the primary is already limited to staying under the imposed BIOS limit, thanks to Step 1. And no, I don't want to sell the Libby at the moment. Thanks, CK ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:02:11 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? At 09:45 AM 31/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:40:49 -0400 >From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh >install? > >I made sure to use the Libby's drive as the primary master, and the only >other drive connected to the desktop at that time was a CD-ROM for reading >the data. Does that computer recognise the disk beyond 1024 cylinders? I've had complications where I do some partitioning in the libby and some in a desktop, in my case I ended up with what looked like 2 'versions' of the partition table where some partitions were accessible in both cases but both slowly got corrupted. I ended up putting EZ-Bios onto the drive and making sure whenever I did anything to do with the partitions I'd boot off that drive (if I was just copying files to it I found I could get away with booting to the desktop's own Win2k install and writing to the disk as long as I didn't touch the partition table). >Finally, I just bit the bullet and ran the install from the hard drive. 4 >hours later, I had mismapped drives, so it's back to square one, but at >least there's a plan. What do you mean by mismapped drives? If you're referring to boot.ini, just boot using a boot floppy (format a floppy disk in Win2k (which automatically does the NT equivalent of sys'ing it) then copy the boot files across) with a correct boot.ini (bypassing the equivalent on the hard drive). >However, and this is fairly odd, when I boot up using the only available >boot floppy (The Toshiba Companion Diskette!) I can see all the partitions >of the 12 GB drive perfectly. Careful ... I've had a few cases (I can't remember how but it seemed pretty inconsistent) where it looked like I could see everything from my libby WITHOUT any overlay but then I found that if I tried to manipulate the partitions I ended up getting weird results (such as having partitions reporting larger than the drive itself!). > I'm in Win98's DOS at this point, but fdisk >seems to see them all, each partition is actually accesible, and I can read >and write from anywhere on the disk. Hmm ... perhaps the Toshiba companion diskette has something we don't know about? What happens when you boot off a plain vanilla Win98 boot disk? >Seeing as OnTrack was wiped from the drive and I'm bypassing it anyway with >this method, what exactly does this mean for BIOS version 8.00? *shrug* I've not used OnTrack ... I know I'll provoke another flamewar by saying this but I still recommend that even though Win2k can see past 1024 cylinders unaided that you use something like EZ-Bios (look in the archives for a link) ... you never know when you may need to get into your partitions with a boot disk. I also recommend NOT using NTFS unless you REALLY need it for security for the same reason ... especially given that getting into the recovery console on the libby is likely to be a complete pain in the rear (and then especially if the MBR is dead). Regarding your initial 'INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE' ERROR, I got that when I tried installing WinNT onto my L50, I didn't try any further because I managed to get Win95 stable anyway ... if you do manage to get this thing working I might try putting 2k on my L100 as well ... hehe - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | Libretto IRC channel #Libretto on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:05:10 + From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:12:13 -0400 >From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > > Okay, I've gone through the archives until my eyes were red and dry. >I've managed to get nowhere with this. > >I've got a Lib 110 with a 12 GB HDD, no CD-ROM drive, and a spare desktop >Thanks, >CK You don't say what else was on the windows box on which you did the installation - the impression I got from the note was that it was as a secondary disc. In which case, you've possibly stuffed up the partition table/boot sector... Something very odd there - I'd be very inclined to do the installation all on the lib though - I've done it in 32M on 70, though it takes a while: Fdisk as you have done, with 70M either side of cylinder 1024. Format the first partition so it's bootable into dos (e.g. W98 startup disk) and format the second partition as fat16 or 32. Put the drive into your desktop. You don't want to boot from it. Copy the I386 directory from the W2K installation disk to the second partition. Return the disc to the lib, reboot, launch setup.exe or winnt.exe from the I386 files you put on the second partition (it's been a while, can't remember which) and it should all spring to life. Neil _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:11:50 -0400 From: "Gennadiy Tsygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? I have the same setup, and I tried to put the Libby HD into another laptop. Didn't work. So I made a network boot floppy and transferred Windows install files over the network. The biggest pain was to configure drivers for the network card. Xircom RealPort wouldn't work, I think because it is CardBus. Once I switched to an older 16-bit Xircom card, everything worked well. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:20 AM Subject: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:12:13 -0400 > From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > > Okay, I've gone through the archives until my eyes were red and dry. > I've managed to get nowhere with this. > > I've got a Lib 110 with a 12 GB HDD, no CD-ROM drive, and a spare desktop > PC. > > So, here's what I did. > > 1) Fdisk from the Libretto, making one (nearly) 8GB Primary Partition. I > left off about 70 MB at the end for a hibernation area, although I may have > to reallocate to *after* the 8GB mark, based on what I see in the archives. > Regardless, this is fairly unimportant. > > 2) Removed 12GB drive and added to a Windows 2000 box, making a ~4 GB > partition, formatted for FAT32, with the Win2000 (full version) CD contents > copied to it. > > 3) Set 12 GB as the primary master, rebooted with the CD-ROM still hooked > up, and did the first run Win2000 install, formatting the first ~8GB as > NTFS. > > 4) Shutdown, transplanted hard drive to Libby, and then all hell broke > loose. > > I get an INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE Stop Error when it tries to come up. If I > leave the drive in the desktop, it gets up to the configuration portion. > > I'd just do the entire install from the D: drive, but the problem with that > is I lack a boot disk with SmartDrive, so it takes forever to make it work > without using the PC and the CDROM drive. > > So, what's wrong with the method here? > > Do I > a) just suck up a few lost hours to SmartDrive? > b) Format C: to FAT32? (Only an option if this makes half a damned bit of > difference!) > c) Send it to a Service Center (I'm still under warranty, just not for 2000) > for a clean 98 install? > d) chuck this thing on ebay with all the accessories that I've invested in > for a minimal return? > > I'd prefer an answer e) which provides the magical solution of making the > partitions a certain size, but the primary is already limited to staying > under the imposed BIOS limit, thanks to Step 1. And no, I don't want to > sell the Libby at the moment. > > Thanks, > CK > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives > > ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest > ** > > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:53:47 +0100 From: Alan Middleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? Do you have other hard disks in the desktop PC, Win2K and NT write to the boot disk of the machine regardless of where the OS is ultimately installed. Also the boot.ini is relative to other disks. Had a lot of problems installing Win2K on to a SCSI disk because it wanted to write the boot information to my IDE Zip drive ignoring the BIOS boot sequence. ( In the end I disconnected zip drive, installed and then reconnected zip drive) Installing from a network or from a desktop with no other disks connected would seem the easiest solution. Kind Regards, Alan. Wednesday, July 31, 2002, 1:25:08 PM, you wrote: GT> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:11:50 -0400 GT> From: "Gennadiy Tsygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GT> Subject: Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? GT> I have the same setup, and I tried to put the Libby HD into another laptop. GT> Didn't work. So I made a network boot floppy and transferred Windows install GT> files over the network. The biggest pain was to configure drivers for the GT> network card. Xircom RealPort wouldn't work, I think because it is CardBus. GT> Once I switched to an older 16-bit Xircom card, everything worked well. GT> - Original Message - GT> From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GT> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GT> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:20 AM GT> Subject: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? >> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:12:13 -0400 >> From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? >> >> Okay, I've gone through the archives until my eyes were red and dry. >> I've managed to get nowhere with this. >> >> I've got a Lib 110 with a 12 GB HDD, no CD-ROM drive, and a spare desktop >> PC. >> >> So, here's what I did. >> >> 1) Fdisk from the Libretto, making one (nearly) 8GB Primary Partition. I >> left off about 70 MB at the end for a hibernation area, although I may GT> have >> to reallocate to *after* the 8GB mark, based on what I see in the GT> archives. >> Regardless, this is fairly unimportant. >> >> 2) Removed 12GB drive and added to a Windows 2000 box, making a ~4 GB >> partition, formatted for FAT32, with the Win2000 (full version) CD GT> contents >> copied to it. >> >> 3) Set 12 GB as the primary master, rebooted with the CD-ROM still hooked >> up, and did the first run Win2000 install, formatting the first ~8GB as >> NTFS. >> >> 4) Shutdown, transplanted hard drive to Libby, and then all hell broke >> loose. >> >> I get an INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE Stop Error when it tries to come up. If GT> I >> leave the drive in the desktop, it gets up to the configuration portion. >> >> I'd just do the entire install from the D: drive, but the problem with GT> that >> is I lack a boot disk with SmartDrive, so it takes forever to make it work >> without using the PC and the CDROM drive. >> >> So, what's wrong with the method here? >> >> Do I >> a) just suck up a few lost hours to SmartDrive? >> b) Format C: to FAT32? (Only an option if this makes half a damned bit of >> difference!) >> c) Send it to a Service Center (I'm still under warranty, just not for GT> 2000) >> for a clean 98 install? >> d) chuck this thing on ebay with all the accessories that I've invested in >> for a minimal return? >> >> I'd prefer an answer e) which provides the magical solution of making the >> partitions a certain size, but the primary is already limited to staying >> under the imposed BIOS limit, thanks to Step 1. And no, I don't want to >> sell the Libby at the moment. >> >> Thanks, >> CK >> >> >> >> >> ** >> http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list >> http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives >> >> ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- >> Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be >> addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text >> on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- >> Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest >> ** >> >> >&
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:40:49 -0400 From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? I made sure to use the Libby's drive as the primary master, and the only other drive connected to the desktop at that time was a CD-ROM for reading the data. Finally, I just bit the bullet and ran the install from the hard drive. 4 hours later, I had mismapped drives, so it's back to square one, but at least there's a plan. However, and this is fairly odd, when I boot up using the only available boot floppy (The Toshiba Companion Diskette!) I can see all the partitions of the 12 GB drive perfectly. I'm in Win98's DOS at this point, but fdisk seems to see them all, each partition is actually accesible, and I can read and write from anywhere on the disk. Seeing as OnTrack was wiped from the drive and I'm bypassing it anyway with this method, what exactly does this mean for BIOS version 8.00? CK - Original Message - From: "Alan Middleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:53:47 +0100 > From: Alan Middleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > > Do you have other hard disks in the desktop PC, Win2K and NT write to > the boot disk of the machine regardless of where the OS is ultimately > installed. Also the boot.ini is relative to other disks. > > Had a lot of problems installing Win2K on to a SCSI disk because it > wanted to write the boot information to my IDE Zip drive ignoring the > BIOS boot sequence. ( In the end I disconnected zip drive, installed > and then reconnected zip drive) > > Installing from a network or from a desktop with no other disks > connected would seem the easiest solution. > > Kind Regards, > > Alan. > > Wednesday, July 31, 2002, 1:25:08 PM, you wrote: > > GT> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:11:50 -0400 > GT> From: "Gennadiy Tsygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GT> Subject: Re: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > > GT> I have the same setup, and I tried to put the Libby HD into another laptop. > GT> Didn't work. So I made a network boot floppy and transferred Windows install > GT> files over the network. The biggest pain was to configure drivers for the > GT> network card. Xircom RealPort wouldn't work, I think because it is CardBus. > GT> Once I switched to an older 16-bit Xircom card, everything worked well. > > GT> - Original Message - > GT> From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GT> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GT> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:20 AM > GT> Subject: [LIB] Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > > > >> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:12:13 -0400 > >> From: "Christopher Kalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Windows 2000, Lib 110, >8GB drive, and a fresh install? > >> > >> Okay, I've gone through the archives until my eyes were red and dry. > >> I've managed to get nowhere with this. > >> > >> I've got a Lib 110 with a 12 GB HDD, no CD-ROM drive, and a spare desktop > >> PC. > >> > >> So, here's what I did. > >> > >> 1) Fdisk from the Libretto, making one (nearly) 8GB Primary Partition. I > >> left off about 70 MB at the end for a hibernation area, although I may > GT> have > >> to reallocate to *after* the 8GB mark, based on what I see in the > GT> archives. > >> Regardless, this is fairly unimportant. > >> > >> 2) Removed 12GB drive and added to a Windows 2000 box, making a ~4 GB > >> partition, formatted for FAT32, with the Win2000 (full version) CD > GT> contents > >> copied to it. > >> > >> 3) Set 12 GB as the primary master, rebooted with the CD-ROM still hooked > >> up, and did the first run Win2000 install, formatting the first ~8GB as > >> NTFS. > >> > >> 4) Shutdown, transplanted hard drive to Libby, and then all hell broke > >> loose. > >> > >> I get an INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE Stop Error when it tries to come up. If > GT> I > >> leave the drive in the desktop, it gets up to the configuration portion. > >> > >> I'd just do the entire install from the D: drive, but the problem with > GT> that > >> is I lack a boot di
