Re: Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
Hi Jan, Le jeudi 30 juillet 2009 à 15:45 +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen a écrit : Or just two very big (scalex4) glyphs, clef+eight, flat/sharp + sixteenth? This sounds better than a full bar of music: we don't want to make a music piece so prominently, which could in particular distract the reader, but we want to show the site is about music ntoation software that focuses on typographic quality. However, the glyphs you added are *a bit* too large... Best, John signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
On wo, 2009-07-29 at 22:00 +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 23:48 +0900, Maximilian Albert a écrit : Hi John, But frankly, it took me a while to find the information what LilyPond actually does. and adding a small cropped excerpt of Lily-generated picture of music at the right of LilyPond title? Would the music score cropped picture I propose to add be enough to show this quality? (except the music piece itself, which I randomly took in my Lily typesetting directories) I've added it, but I'm not sure if this works http://lilypond.org/~janneke/lilypond.org/index.html We already have the shaded music in the background image. Possibly it needs to be twice as big and in the background. Or just two very big (scalex4) glyphs, clef+eight, flat/sharp + sixteenth? Greetings, Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter Avatar®: http://AvatarAcademy.nl| http://lilypond.org ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
On do, 2009-07-30 at 15:45 +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: On wo, 2009-07-29 at 22:00 +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 23:48 +0900, Maximilian Albert a écrit : Possibly it needs to be twice as big and in the background. Or just two very big (scalex4) glyphs, clef+eight, flat/sharp + sixteenth? I had a go with this, please revert if you like John's real music better :-) Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter Avatar®: http://AvatarAcademy.nl| http://lilypond.org ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
Hi all, sorry, this is only going to be a quick reply and I'll be away on the leave for a few days (or perhaps even up to 1-2 weeks), so a more elaborate reply will have to wait until I'm back. I started writing up a longer email, but I realized that what I said was so imprecise (because it's more related to some vague feelings I'm having rather than to specific issues I could put my finger on) that I decided to think about it a bit more thoroughly and get back to you when I have more specific suggestions. My apologies for the noise so far. What about showing ... music notation for everyone in a larger font size, That would definitely be a big improvement, and one which is most easy to achieve. I'd vote for it. BTW, I just noticed that there is now a second subtitle on http://lilypond.org/~janneke/lilypond.org/ which reads free music notation software. IMHO this destroys the slogan-ness of the title to some extent and makes it more clumsy to read because of the additional line. Why not simply increase the font size of ... music notation for everyone? [...] and adding a small cropped excerpt of Lily-generated picture of music at the right of LilyPond title? That might be a good thing, too, although on second thought I tend to agree with Graham's concerns about having two pictures next to the title. Also, I fear that simply pasting some LilyPond output might make the page appear less well-integrated. Although on second thought I may be wrong. Perhaps it's worth a try. You proposed something similar later in your talkative email, did you have in mind something like the attached pitcure? Sorry for having been talkative, I could/should have condensed my thoughts properly before sending this. But it was late, I had had a long day and was tired so I hope you didn't mind me just writing what came to my mind. In any case, I sincerely hope I didn't step on anyone's feet, and in the end it's not my opinion that counts anyway. It was just something I felt and wanted to mention. OK, more to follow when I'm back and have a better idea of what I really want to talk about. :-) All the best and thanks for everyone's hard work! Max ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
Hi all, Attached are some css tweaks, you can see them in action at http://lilypond.org/~janneke/lilypond.org Following the link reminded me of a comment I already wanted to make a while ago. While we are at changing the design of the website (which I consider a very good thing), I'd strongly suggest that we take the opportunity and make it more easily recognizable *at the first glance* that LilyPond is a *music* notation software. I know that it says so in the subtitle, that there is the explanation What is LilyPond directly beneath it and that the image features some notes and staves in the background. But frankly, even though I was actively looking for it when opening the new page for the first time, it took me a while to find the information what LilyPond actually does. The subtitle is really small so that all you actually read is LilyPond (which doesn't give a clue to uninitiated), the paragraph about LilyPond beneath it almost vanishes among the News and the notes in the image are only recognizable if you actively for look them. Now imagine potential new users who more or less accidentally browse to the website. I may be wrong, but from personal experience I'd say that they decide within the first (few) second(s) if they close the window again or if they want to take a closer look. And if the site doesn't give them a good and decided incentive to stay, they will leave, which I'd find a pity. Don't get me wrong, I like the new design. But I think with a couple of small tweaks it can be made into a real eye- (and new-user-)catcher instead of just a nicely-looking but not overly captivating webpage. Unfortunately, I'm not a graphic designer, so I can't make very good suggestions apart from the points mentioned above. Maybe put a big note next to the title? Perhaps even the image from the introduction, which I think excellently conveys LilyPonds mixture of professionality and aesthetics? BTW, now that I look at it again, I feel that the picture of the lily does not totally get the message across how much emphasis LilyPond puts on good and professional design and quality (and how good it actually is). This was already the case with the old image, and the new one is _a lot_ better, but to me it seems that there is still a gap between the quality of the software and its representation towards the world (via the website). Am I the only one? Sorry, this was a long email for a very simple message. And again, I apologize that my remarks are hardly constructive (maybe others have better suggestions?) . But I'd really like to see a faszinating, well-polished and attractive new site. I think LilyPond deserves it, and this is the opportunity. Cheers, Max ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 23:48 +0900, Maximilian Albert a écrit : But frankly, even though I was actively looking for it when opening the new page for the first time, it took me a while to find the information what LilyPond actually does. The subtitle is really small so that all you actually read is LilyPond (which doesn't give a clue to uninitiated), the paragraph about LilyPond beneath it almost vanishes among the News and the notes in the image are only recognizable if you actively for look them. What about showing ... music notation for everyone in a larger font size, and adding a small cropped excerpt of Lily-generated picture of music at the right of LilyPond title? You proposed something similar later in your talkative email, did you have in mind something like the attached pitcure? This was already the case with the old image, and the new one is _a lot_ better, but to me it seems that there is still a gap between the quality of the software and its representation towards the world (via the website). Am I the only one? Would the music score cropped picture I propose to add be enough to show this quality? (except the music piece itself, which I randomly took in my Lily typesetting directories) Cheers, John attachment: web-snippet.png signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Main page of new website [was: some css tweaks]
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:00:28PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 23:48 +0900, Maximilian Albert a écrit : But frankly, even though I was actively looking for it when opening the new page for the first time, it took me a while to find the information what LilyPond actually does. I agree, but this is a CSS issue, not a content issue. Not my problem. ;) What about showing ... music notation for everyone in a larger font size, and adding a small cropped excerpt of Lily-generated picture of music at the right of LilyPond title? That's possible, although I'm not certain about having pictures on both sides of the big title. What about removing the big lilypad picture? We already have the icon in the top-left corner, and hopefully as the favicon image. What about putting the What is lilypond as a sidebar along the right side (above the Quick links)? We might also want to re-name Quick links to Current versions ? Alternatively, the background could be made more prominent... actually, that would suck for all the other pages. Maybe just add more images of notation as the background of the what is lilypond box? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
