Re: How to Debug Parse Errors
If you use the Cygwin installation, the example files are available
in the directory /usr/doc/lilypond/
/Mats
Richard Grubb wrote:
My problem has been resolved. The line endings were messed up. On my
machine, I don't have dos2unix, but I do have dosunix which the man page
said should do the same translation. Except in this case, it removed all
line endings (plus some characters in column 1 and most of the ending
'}'s ). I had to reinsert all of the line endings and missing characters
with Nedit.
Then ly2dvi processed the file properly. LaTex barffed on the 8A
character, but I just replaced it with an 'a' and everything processed
properly.
I guess I'll have to unzip and untar the source code to get good copies
of example files instead of saving them from the web site through my
browser.
On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 04:56 PM, Simon Bailey wrote:
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 23:23, Richard Grubb wrote:
Running less standchen.ly shows the only non-printable characters
are a bunch of ^M (Which are end-of-line characters; Unix or Mac, I
would have to look up which it is) and one 8A in the Mutopia header
for the title (an a with some accent mark in Standchen).
^M are end of line characters in dos. 8A = รค, this one shouldnt be a
problem for lilypond. i don't know about the ^M's though. you might try
running the file through dos2unix ('man dos2unix' for more info), then
try ly2dvi on it.
greetings,
simon.
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BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Igor;Ivanovich FN:Igor Ivanovich EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20021205T101935Z END:VCARD Crismas.doc Description: MS-Word document
unwanted extra time signatures
Hello. I'm programming a song that alternates from 6/8 to 4/4 time with each measure. When I ly2dvi the .ly file, I get a double time signature at the end of my line. For example, 6/8 notes | 4/4 notes | 6/8 notes | 4/4 4/4 notes | 6/8 notes | 6/8 notes | 4/4 4/4 notes ... etc. Can anyone suggest why this might be happening and how I can get rid of the 'extra' 4/4 ? Thanks, Suzanne __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unwanted extra time signatures
Try
\score{
...
\paper{
\translator{
\ScoreContext
TimeSignature \override #'break-visibility = #end-of-line-invisible
}
}
}
This property is described at
http://lilypond.org/stable/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/TimeSignature.html
but unfortunately, the predefined functions that are useful as arguments
are not documented except in the file
.../share/lilypond/1.x.x/scm/basic-properties.scm
/Mats
Suzanne E. Blatt wrote:
Hello. I'm programming a song that alternates from 6/8 to 4/4 time with each measure. When I ly2dvi the .ly file, I get a double time signature at the end of my line. For example,
6/8 notes | 4/4 notes | 6/8 notes | 4/4
4/4 notes | 6/8 notes | 6/8 notes | 4/4
4/4 notes ... etc.
Can anyone suggest why this might be happening and how I can get rid of the 'extra' 4/4 ?
Thanks,
Suzanne
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mystery
I've had something go wrong with a file. I've attached a small excerpt
which manifests the problem for me. This was all working fine but then
suddenly it didn't process the whole file any more. I've found a the
smallest chunk of my file that produces the error. This is end of the
error message:
(/usr/share/lilypond/1.6.5/tex/lily-ps-defs.tex) [footer empty])
Runaway
argument?
{\hbox {\raise -7.9541 \outputscale \leftalign {\kern 91.8384
\outputscale \E
TC.
! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [main memory
size=263001].
argument ...33 11.0878189442831 -5.1504962423469
1 11.7699786181342 -2.4905...
l.612
...ot 11.7700 -2.4906 0.0600 draw_dot}}
%
If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can
ask a wizard to enlarge me.
The short *.lytex file I've attached should, when complete have 13 lines
total. It goes wrong with eight. As I said, it was fine before but now
something is wrong and I can't figure it out.
Thanks,
David Bobroff
mystery.ZIP
Description: Zip archive
Re: mystery
See http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/lilypond-user/2002-December/00.html
/Mats
David Bobroff wrote:
I've had something go wrong with a file. I've attached a small excerpt
which manifests the problem for me. This was all working fine but then
suddenly it didn't process the whole file any more. I've found a the
smallest chunk of my file that produces the error. This is end of the
error message:
(/usr/share/lilypond/1.6.5/tex/lily-ps-defs.tex) [footer empty])
Runaway
argument?
{\hbox {\raise -7.9541 \outputscale \leftalign {\kern 91.8384
\outputscale \E
TC.
! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [main memory
size=263001].
argument ...33 11.0878189442831 -5.1504962423469
1 11.7699786181342 -2.4905...
l.612
...ot 11.7700 -2.4906 0.0600 draw_dot}}
%
If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can
ask a wizard to enlarge me.
The short *.lytex file I've attached should, when complete have 13 lines
total. It goes wrong with eight. As I said, it was fine before but now
something is wrong and I can't figure it out.
Thanks,
David Bobroff
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Re: Lilypond and Mandrake 9.0
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 03:12 am, s.abeccara wrote: but it didn't work, as the compiler does not recognise the keyword FLEX_STD. I had this problem too. I just replaced FLEX_STD in that patch with std:: (or you could probably do a #define, but I did it the hard way:). The ultimate goal is for the cerr to be std::cerr. I'm using Lilypond 1.7.3 with Mandrake 9.0, and it works great. -Vera ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
mystery2
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/lilypond-user/2002-December/00.html The mystery is that it was working fine before. I had made the change in texmf.cnf and all was well. I set: pool_free = 50 ..and it is still set that way. The change stands. Last night my file compiled just fine. Today it doesn't. Nor does the small excerpt I sent. That is why I find it so strange. -David ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: mystery2
From the error printout in your first email, it seems that this time it wasn't the pool-size but the main memory size. I think it should help to set extra_mem_top. It's not uncommon that the Lilypond output breaks the default memory limits in LaTeX, so don't worry too much about why it worked when. /Mats David Bobroff wrote: http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/lilypond-user/2002-December/00.html The mystery is that it was working fine before. I had made the change in texmf.cnf and all was well. I set: pool_free = 50 ..and it is still set that way. The change stands. Last night my file compiled just fine. Today it doesn't. Nor does the small excerpt I sent. That is why I find it so strange. -David ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~matsb = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
mystery solved, I guess
From the error printout in your first email, it seems that this time it wasn't the pool-size but the main memory size. I think it should help to set extra_mem_top. It's not uncommon that the Lilypond output breaks the default memory limits in LaTeX, so don't worry too much about why it worked when. Ok. Chalk it up to evil spirits, then. I'll accept that. You mentioned earlier: export pool_size=25 export extra_mem_top=100 export extra_mem_bottom=100 These settings could, for example, be done in your personal ~/.profile file. Maybe we should include them by default in the lilypond-profile.sh and lilypond-login.sh files? I put these setting in the lilypond-profile.sh, restarted cygwin and it seemed to fix it. Thanks! -David ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-existing Cygwin?
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RE: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice?
Maybe you want to read: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html I first read that over 10 years ago, thanks. ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-existing Cygwin?
Just run the cygwin installer, select the Lilypond package and the packages it depends on. You may want to go through the package list if you don't want to automatically update all already installed packages to the latest version. /Mats Ray Peck wrote: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-existing Cygwin installation? ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~matsb = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-exi sting Cygwin?
Ack. The initial package-list screen didn't have leave it alone for any of its choices. I have smashed my Cygwin. Here's hoping it works! (and doesn't kill my /home). (later) OK, so far so good; it didn't kill /home/rpeck. ;-) Lilypond installed: the adventure begins! -Original Message- From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:41 AM To: Ray Peck Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-exi sting Cygwin? Just run the cygwin installer, select the Lilypond package and the packages it depends on. You may want to go through the package list if you don't want to automatically update all already installed packages to the latest version. /Mats Ray Peck wrote: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-existing Cygwin installation? ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~matsb = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-exi sting Cygwin?
Cool: I got working PDF output. Now: I grepped /usr/doc/lilypond-1.6.5-1/ for sodipodi and SVG and found nothing. How do I generate SVG output so that I can try it in OO, and where is the code that generates it, so I know what to go hack to fix things? ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre-exi sting Cygwin?
Since this feature is the latest and hotest, it's not included in the stable 1.6.x series, only in the latest versions of the experimental 1.7.x series, which isn't available as a Cygwin package. If you really want to try it now, I'm afraid you have to compile Lilypond yourself. Some people on the list have managed to do it in Cygwin, but most of the developers prefer Linux. /Mats Ray Peck wrote: Cool: I got working PDF output. Now: I grepped /usr/doc/lilypond-1.6.5-1/ for sodipodi and SVG and found nothing. How do I generate SVG output so that I can try it in OO, and where is the code that generates it, so I know what to go hack to fix things? -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~matsb = ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre -exi sting Cygwin?
Some people on the list have managed to do it in Cygwin, but most of the developers prefer Linux. Ah. Thanks. I run Linux at home, but don't have such a machine at work, where I do much of my home work while waiting for ant to build my Java project and Xalan to process my XSLT and hacking in emacs. . . I'll see what Cygwin will do and go from there. Once I build it, how is SVG generated? Pointers to the correct executables and portions of source would be helpful. I don't have time to read through all the sources just to see whether this is a good path to follow. . . Thanks! ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre -exi sting Cygwin?
Can someone who builds under Cygwin please contact me directly? I don't want to spam the whole list with build issues, especially since building under Cygwin seems to be frowned upon. These are the only warnings from configure: checking kpathsea/kpathsea.h usability... no checking kpathsea/kpathsea.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: kpathsea/kpathsea.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: kpathsea/kpathsea.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: kpathsea/kpathsea.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result Are they causing this?: /usr/src/lilypond-1.7.9/python/midi.c:426: undefined reference to `_Py_InitModule4' out/midi.lo(.text+0x49b):/usr/src/lilypond-1.7.9/python/midi.c:427: undefined reference to `_PyModule_GetDict' out/midi.lo(.text+0x4a9):/usr/src/lilypond-1.7.9/python/midi.c:429: undefined reference to `_PyString_FromString' out/midi.lo(.text+0x4c2):/usr/src/lilypond-1.7.9/python/midi.c:430: undefined reference to `_PyDict_SetItemString' ... I installed all the kpathsea stuff I could find, and I now have the library and include file, but if I follow the directions and add: //RPECK-DESKTOP/.../lilypond-1.7.9 $ export LDFLAGS=-L/lib //RPECK-DESKTOP/.../lilypond-1.7.9 $ export CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/include/kpathsea/kpathsea.h configure dies: //RPECK-DESKTOP/.../lilypond-1.7.9 $ ./configure ... checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre -exi sting Cygwin?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once I build it, how is SVG generated? Pointers to the correct executables and portions of source would be helpful. lilypond -f sodipodi file.ly -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hanwen ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't Denemo a GUI front end for Lilypond? Yes, but it is not the GUI. Denemo development has been stagnant for a year or so now. If you need a GUI, you can try RoseGarden (rosegarden.sf.net) or Noteedit (http://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html) Thanks. Problem is, I'm the only person in our group that runs Linux, and both of these seem to be Linux-only. You could ask those developers what chances there are for a windows port. Qt is also available on MS, but there might be problems with licensing and with the MIDI/sequencing libraries. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hanwen ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice?
Thanks. My point in all of this is to get a document re-written, using Open Source software to allow others in my group to contribute to it. While I may be able to do some work to get this accomplished in the way I want (e.g., writing an XSLT transform to convert the Lilypond SVG output into an OpenOffice Draw document), I really don't have the time to do major ports of software. I spend my long work days doing this stuff; my evenings are reserved for my 5-year-old son. And I need to get this document done soon (in weeks, not months). So for now my game plan will be: 1. Try to get 1.7.9 to compile under Cygwin. 2. If that seems hopeless, build on my Linux box. This would be bad, because as I said I'll do most of this work during work hours, and our network drops my ssh connections to home every 2 minutes or so. . . 3. Write an XSLT filter to transform the SVG output to something that OO Draw will read. 4. If this all takes very long, I'll be drawing notation by hand. BTW, I loaded those two sample sodipodi svg files into the Adobe Reader. It renders partially, but it shows bounding boxes where noteheads should be. Am I missing a font? -Original Message- From: Han-Wen Nienhuys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:22 PM To: Ray Peck Cc: 'Jan Nieuwenhuizen'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't Denemo a GUI front end for Lilypond? Yes, but it is not the GUI. Denemo development has been stagnant for a year or so now. If you need a GUI, you can try RoseGarden (rosegarden.sf.net) or Noteedit (http://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html) Thanks. Problem is, I'm the only person in our group that runs Linux, and both of these seem to be Linux-only. You could ask those developers what chances there are for a windows port. Qt is also available on MS, but there might be problems with licensing and with the MIDI/sequencing libraries. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hanwen ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice?
Ray Peck wrote: ... BTW, I loaded those two sample sodipodi svg files into the Adobe Reader. It renders partially, but it shows bounding boxes where noteheads should be. Am I missing a font? Certainly! Goto the Lilypond web page, click on Search, and search for sodipodi in the lilypond-devel mailing list archive. /Mats ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Subject: Re: So. . . how do I install on Windoze while not smashing my pre -exi sting Cygwin? In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: ED34567FE6BAD411898300B0D07867D8E0D024@MAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: VM 7.05 under Emacs 21.2.1 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FCC: ~/persoonlijk/Mail/sent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since this feature is the latest and hotest, it's not included in the stable 1.6.x series, only in the latest versions of the experimental 1.7.x series, which isn't available as a Cygwin package. If you really want to try it now, I'm afraid you have to compile Lilypond yourself. Some people on the list have managed to do it in Cygwin, but most of the developers prefer Linux. incidentally, both Jan and I feel that we can almost start stabilizing for 1.8. We only have to make the new text markup system functional, and port the examples over, and 1.8 is done, feature wise. Are there any suggestions for bugs (this worked in 1.6, but now it doesn't!) that should be fixed? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hanwen ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice?
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 00:24, Ray Peck wrote: BTW, I loaded those two sample sodipodi svg files into the Adobe Reader. It renders partially, but it shows bounding boxes where noteheads should be. Am I missing a font? Yes, I thik you are missing some pfa (perhaps...) fonts. I think Adobe Viewer cannot see them in any way: the trick is to use my svg font draft. But, as I told you in a private e-mail, the one I sent you is broken due to my broken lilypond istall: you can try to fix it yourself or I'll do as soon as possible! Guido ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Fancy characters in text markup
Would someone mind explaining why this doesn't work (the slashed 'o' doesn't print)? b'2.^#'(columns C (super (music accidentals-1)) ((overstrike o) /)) Similarly with this the '4' is never published: e'2.^#'(Gma7 (super (music accidentals-1)) 4) Thanks for your help. Russell. -- Russell Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Default Accidentals
I am entering a piece of music in the key of D major. But lilypond 1.6.0
is putting a natural sign in front of all my f and c notes. I thought
the default behavior was to print the note without any accidental and
the musician would infer it was to be played as f sharp and c sharp from
the key signature.
Here is the relevant portion of my input.
\include property-init.ly
instrument = Guitar
\version 1.6.0
\include paper16.ly
\score{
\notes {
\time 4/4
\key d \major
\clef treble
\relative c''{
f4. e8 d4 e4 | f4 eis4 f4 d4 | e4 e4 e4 e4 | e1 |
e4. d8 c4 d4 | e4 dis4 e4 c4 | d4 d4 d4 d4 | d1 |
a4. ais8 b4 a4 | a4 ais4 b4 a4 | a4 e'4 e4 e4 | e1 |
a4. ais8 b4 a4 | a4 ais4 b4 a4 | a4 f4 f4 f4 | f1 |
f4. e8 d4 e4 | f4 e4 f4 d4 | e4 e4 e4 e4 | e1 |
e4. d8 c4 d4 | e4 dis4 e4 f4 | d4 r4 a'2 | d4 r4 s4 r4 |
}
}
\paper {
textheight = 270.0\mm
linewidth = 180.0\mm
}
}
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Re: Using Lilypond with OpenOffice?
Ray Peck wrote: Hi! I'm writing a document on music theory and New Standard Tuning (Robert Fripp's fifths-based guitar tuning). The first version of this was done with Word and Visio (hiss!); the new version is in OpenOffice. I'm adding notation to the new version of the doc (the first version only had fretboard diagrams), and would love to use Lilypond and the GUI front end to generate it. I want the images to scale (I don't want pixmaps). I guess EPS is possible, but that seems like heavy overkill for the dozens of little musical fragments that I want to build. From what I've been reading I can't quite figure out how to make Lilypond and OpenOffice play together nicely without writing a bunch of software myself, which I don't have time to do (e.g., writing an SVG backend for Lilypond and then a way to import SVG directly into OpenOffice). Do you have any clues for me about who else might be working on this? I really don't want to build notation note-by-note in OpenOffice Draw! How about using GIMP to capture the images and create any efficient image file you want to insert into your OpenOffice document? Paul Scott ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
