Re: Lily is writing the PDF to the /bin ignoring the --output option tag

2006-04-14 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Rick Hansen writes:

> How can I get lily to write all the output files to the "--output="
> path?

Try using a directory as argument for --output:

What happens if you do

lilypond --verbose --output="C:/Rick/Notation_2.8.0" -I 
"C:/Rick/Notation_2.8.0/WatchWhatHappens" WatchWhatHappens.ly

If that does not work, please send the output of that command.

Jan.

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Re: Scheme function problems

2006-04-14 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Kieren Richard MacMillan writes:

> Hello, all --
>
> Can anyone tell me why the code
>
> returns
>
> ERROR: Wrong type (expecting real number): lilyvartmpa

$padding is used inside a quoted list, but it should be unquoted.  Try

barpadding = #(define-music-function (parser location padding music)
   (number? ly:music?)
#{
\once \override Score.BarLine #'space-alist =
#`((first-note extra-space . ,$padding))
$music
#}
)
{ c'1 \barpadding #32 { c' c' } c' }

The error message is horrible; programmers who implement constant
error messages should consider a career switch.

Jan.

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Scheme function problems

2006-04-14 Thread Kieren Richard MacMillan

Hello, all --

Can anyone tell me why the code

\version "2.8.1"
barpadding = #(define-music-function (parser location padding music)  
(number? ly:music?)

#{
		\once \override Score.BarLine #'space-alist = #'((first-note extra- 
space . $padding))

$music
#}
)
{ c'1 \barpadding #32.0 { c' c' } c' }

returns

ERROR: Wrong type (expecting real number): lilyvartmpa

Thanks!
Kieren.


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Re: System at bottom page on score

2006-04-14 Thread Laura Conrad
> "DK" == Dave K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

DK> Anyone know a reason why it isn't?
>> \paper {
>> ragged-bottom = ##t
>> }
>> 
>> I'm not sure why this isn't the default.

I would guess that in the situation where you need the staff to line
up with the staff on the next page, you would want a non-ragged
bottom, so that the person playing a middle staff in an 8-staff
system would be able to just follow a straight line.  But I think the
situation where the space between the title and the first staff looks
wierd is probably more common.

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Re: System at bottom page on score

2006-04-14 Thread Tomas Valusek

Hello,

Dave K. napsal(a):

Anyone know a reason why it isn't?


You want to set:

\paper {
   ragged-bottom = ##t
}

I'm not sure why this isn't the default.





Well, I think it's because LilyPond coders suppose to use LilyPond for 
typesetting multipage pieces and ragged bottom doesn't look well. In a 
template I use I've even set ragged-last-bottom to ##f and play with the 
system-count variable.


I think templates are a good place to set defaults according to 
everyone's taste, I've also included in my personal template some 
complicated code structures to reduce typos.


Tomas Valusek


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Re: Helping with the documentation

2006-04-14 Thread Graham Percival


On 14-Apr-06, at 8:20 AM, Bart Kummel wrote:

So I was thinking of a method to make contibuting to the docs more 
easy. Perhaps it's a good idea to set up a wiki for the docs.


As other people have pointed out, we've tried wikis in the past.  The 
latest version is still online:

http://wikihost.org/wikis/lilypond/

In addition, adding new material to the docs is EASIER than using a 
wiki.


I think there are many benefits for using a wiki instead of the way 
the documentation is done now. I think it's more easy for the editor, 
because he doesn't have to add all contibutions manually,


This is absolutely NO problem for me if I get an email which proposes 
the exact changes.  The problem in writing docs is in coming up with 
the initial text, not in the technical step of translating it into 
texinfo.



Another benefit is that we don't have to wait until a new version of 
Lilypond is built for new documentation to come available on-line.


If this is a serious concern, I could start making doc tarballs 
available -- or even hosting temporary docs on my webpage.  I agree 
that sometimes this has bothered me.


 A third benefit is that the documentation does not depend on one or a 
few persons any more.


There is nothing intrinsic in a wiki that does this.  Whether the 
documentation depends on a few people is simply a matter of the 
community.  As I've said, adding new material to the docs is easier 
than adding an entry to a wiki.  All you need is email.


Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: System at bottom page on score

2006-04-14 Thread Dave K.
Anyone know a reason why it isn't?

> You want to set:
>
> \paper {
>ragged-bottom = ##t
> }
>
> I'm not sure why this isn't the default.


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Re: Helping with the documentation

2006-04-14 Thread Pedro Kröger
"Bart Kummel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So I was thinking of a method to make contibuting to the docs more
> easy. Perhaps it's a good idea to set up a wiki for the docs.

this was done in the past without success. a wiki would be an advantage
(besides it's shortcomings) if there was a good number of people wiling
to maintain it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. the current docs
are in much better shape now than ever, and the format in use allows to
generate html pages and pdf as well.

if one wants to help, the easiest way is to write in plain text and send
it to Graham, he will take care of the necessary conversion to the
format in use (texinfo).

Pedro


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more "programming errors"

2006-04-14 Thread Kieren Richard MacMillan

[ Lilypond 2.8.1 ]

Hello, all --

I'm engraving my current score with "modern time signature  
placement", as demonstrated in

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.8/input/test/lily-1567200886.ly

It's working great! (Many thanks to the T&T and docs authors!)

However, I'd like to get the first note of the bars with a time  
signature change to be closer to the beginning of the measure, and  
the code I'm using makes the score *look* great, but I'm getting


programming error: No spacing entry from TimeSignature to `right-edge'
continuing, cross fingers

Just wanted someone to know! Is this a bug I should copy to lilypond- 
bug?


Thanks,
Kieren.



\version "2.8.1"

\layout{
  \context {
\type "Engraver_group"
\consists "Time_signature_engraver"
\consists "Axis_group_engraver"
\name "TimeSig"
\override TimeSignature #'font-size = #2
  }
  \context {
\Score \accepts TimeSig
  }
  \context { \Staff
\override TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t
  }
}

\relative
<<
\new TimeSig { \skip 4 * 26 }
\new Staff
{
\time 2/4 c4 c \time 3/4 c2 c4 \time 4/4 c2 c4 c c c c c \break
		\override Score.TimeSignature #'space-alist = #'((first-note fixed- 
space . -2.0))

\time 2/4 c4 c \time 3/4 c2 c4 \time 4/4 c2 c4 c c c c c
}
>>



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Re: Helping with the documentation

2006-04-14 Thread Walter Hofmeister
On 4/14/06 9:45 AM, "Geoff Horton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> So I was thinking of a method to make contibuting to the docs more easy.
>> Perhaps it's a good idea to set up a wiki for the docs.
> 
> I'm of two minds about this. The advantages you point out are real,
> but I also encounter a lot of frustration with wiki-based docs; for
> one thing, there's no very good way to make a quick scan through them
> looking for something. That makes answers are even harder to find if
> your mind doesn't work the same way as that of the person who wrote
> the section in question, or if the answer to your question is covered
> in a place completely different from where you expect it to be. I
> often find answers just by loading the full-page version of the docs
> (off my hard drive, so it's quick), doing a text search for a string,
> and looking at the material around hits to see if it looks like I'm in
> the right place. Most search engines don't return enough context for
> this to work well.
> 
> Geoff
> 
I agree. I have found the most useful way for me to work with Lilypond is to
download the documentation tarball and have this installed on my hard drive.
I can then easily travel through the User Manual and the Program Reference
sections. I would find using a Wiki cumbersome.
By the way I would like to thank those who make the Documentation
tarball available. This was a big move forward for me as the previous
documentation did not include the images or they did not get installed on
Mac OS X. This meant that I had to go to the internet and farm the required
pages from the Lilypond site. I am sure the tarball is a far better
solution. Thanks very much!

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Re: Size of Notes and Text

2006-04-14 Thread Jannik Jeppesen
Actually I could manage, If I could just control the space between the staff 
and the Volta... but cant seem to figure it out?

Something like...
  \override Volta . padding = #0.5 ???

Could anyone give me a hand...?



Yes Im talking about the 8 notes with flags... They are very high... and
that makes the Horisontal Volta lines to be very far away from the 
staff...

Want the 8. notes to be only just as high as the quarter notes...  Is this
possible?
Thanx for your help


1. Why is my single 8. notes so big, and how do I change it to the size
similar to the other notes?


I'm not clear on the problem here. I don't see any outsize notes. Are
you referring to the ones with flags rather than with beams?

2. How do I change the size of the text under the grace notes, so they 
are

smaller than the other text.


markH = \markup \small "H"
markV = \markup \small "V"

c16_\markH
c_\markV

--

There's probably a better way, but that does it. If the letters are
still too large, use \tiny instead of \small.

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Re: Size of Notes and Text

2006-04-14 Thread Jannik Jeppesen

Yes Im talking about the 8 notes with flags... They are very high... and
that makes the Horisontal Volta lines to be very far away from the staff...
Want the 8. notes to be only just as high as the quarter notes...  Is this
possible?
Thanx for your help


1. Why is my single 8. notes so big, and how do I change it to the size
similar to the other notes?


I'm not clear on the problem here. I don't see any outsize notes. Are
you referring to the ones with flags rather than with beams?

2. How do I change the size of the text under the grace notes, so they 
are

smaller than the other text.


markH = \markup \small "H"
markV = \markup \small "V"

c16_\markH
c_\markV

--

There's probably a better way, but that does it. If the letters are
still too large, use \tiny instead of \small.

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Re: Helping with the documentation

2006-04-14 Thread Geoff Horton
> So I was thinking of a method to make contibuting to the docs more easy.
> Perhaps it's a good idea to set up a wiki for the docs.

I'm of two minds about this. The advantages you point out are real,
but I also encounter a lot of frustration with wiki-based docs; for
one thing, there's no very good way to make a quick scan through them
looking for something. That makes answers are even harder to find if
your mind doesn't work the same way as that of the person who wrote
the section in question, or if the answer to your question is covered
in a place completely different from where you expect it to be. I
often find answers just by loading the full-page version of the docs
(off my hard drive, so it's quick), doing a text search for a string,
and looking at the material around hits to see if it looks like I'm in
the right place. Most search engines don't return enough context for
this to work well.

Geoff


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Re: Size of Notes and Text

2006-04-14 Thread Geoff Horton
> 1. Why is my single 8. notes so big, and how do I change it to the size
> similar to the other notes?

I'm not clear on the problem here. I don't see any outsize notes. Are
you referring to the ones with flags rather than with beams?

> 2. How do I change the size of the text under the grace notes, so they are
> smaller than the other text.

markH = \markup \small "H"
markV = \markup \small "V"

c16_\markH
c_\markV

--

There's probably a better way, but that does it. If the letters are
still too large, use \tiny instead of \small.

Geoff


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Re: Helping with the documentation

2006-04-14 Thread Bart Kummel
Hi Graham,What I'm missing currently in the docs is a section about organ music. There are some instrument-specific things that can be discussed in such a section. I'm willing to help with that, but I have very little spare time. 
So I was thinking of a method to make contibuting to the docs more easy. Perhaps it's a good idea to set up a wiki for the docs. I believe there is a lilypond plugin for wikis, to make it easy to post comments and their results. We could start by only adding some new topics and then gradually move more and more topics from the old docs to the wiki. After some time we end up with the full documentation in a wiki. Since wikis have a versioning system built in, we could use that to keep info for older versions of Lily available.
I think there are many benefits for using a wiki instead of the way the documentation is done now. I think it's more easy for the editor, because he doesn't have to add all contibutions manually, he only has to edit them. Another benefit is that we don't have to wait until a new version of Lilypond is built for new documentation to come available on-line. A third benefit is that the documentation does not depend on one or a few persons any more. 
I hope you want to consider my suggestions. As I said, I don't have much time, but I'm willing to help in the few moments I have. I have some experience with setting up a wiki. And for the documentation itself: I play the organ as an amateur, so I know a low about organ and also choral music notation.
Best regards,Bart Kummel, Hilversum, The NetherlandsOn 4/14/06, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Hi all,I'm getting a bit overwhelmed working on the documentation, so I'm
asking for help.  I've posted a list of tasks to the -devel mailist.Some of them require very little previous knowledge of LilyPond, andare actually a great way to learn.  You can read them here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2006-04/msg00231.htmlApart from those tasks, I have on more request: please don't forward anemail from -user to -devel or the bug mailist with the message "you
should improve the docs in this area".  If you think an email containsimportant information or clarification of the documentation, pleasetake the time to propose *exact* changes to the documentation.  If you
are personally involved in the discussion, then you probably know moreabout this area than I do.  This is certainly true if the issueinvolves anything that is covered in Chapter 7 Instrument-specificnotation.
Finally, some background about me: I'm just a normal user.  In August2004, I volunteered to become Documentation Editor, because I speakEnglish as a first language and have some time to contribute.  I didn't
program LilyPond, nor do I have any special training in musicpublication.  I play cello and viola at a high level (as a universityundergraduate performer); my knowledge about printed music comes fromreading music.  I have seen a lot of string music, and some orchestral
scores, but I have very little knowledge of vocal music, piano, guitar,and the like.  If you play any of those instruments -- anything whichis in Chapter 7 -- then I practically guarantee that you know more
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Re: Spacing within same staff group

2006-04-14 Thread Jannik Jeppesen

Hey... It worked... I entered
between-system-space = 10\mm
And It now looks perfekt...
Thanx alot mate.
\Jannik



Does this mean that it can not be corrected...? it seems weird that this 
has

not been seen before...?


It just means that I don't know how to fix it. Someone else might.


Is there then any other way for me to make this sheet, in a more correct
way?


You could try increasing the distance between all the staffs by adding
this to your \paper block:

between-system-space = 10\mm

and then changing the 10 to see if the spacing becomes consistent at some 
point.


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Size of Notes and Text

2006-04-14 Thread Jannik Jeppesen


Hi, I have a few questions to the following, wich I cannot find in the
manual.

1. Why is my single 8. notes so big, and how do I change it to the size
similar to the other notes?
2. How do I change the size of the text under the grace notes, so they are
smaller than the other text.
Hope that someone can help me find the answer...
thanx
\Jannik

---
\paper {
tagline = ""
indent = 0\cm
between-system-space = 10\mm
}
\layout{
\context{
  \Score
  \remove "Bar_number_engraver"
}
}

\new RhythmicStaff {
\override StemTremolo #'slope = #0.45
 \time 2/4

 \partial 8 c8:32~ |
 \override Staff.TextScript #'staff-padding = #1.1
 \repeat volta 2
 { c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c16_"H"
c_"V" \grace c16~_"V" c8_"H" c16_"V" c_"H" \grace c16~_"H" c8_"V"| c16 c^> c
c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ |
   c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c16 c
\grace c16~ c8 c16 c^> c c | }
 \alternative { { \grace c16~ c4 r8 c:32~ }  { \grace c16~ c4 r8
c:32~ } }

\repeat volta 2
{ c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c \grace c16~ c8 | c16 c^> c c \grace c16~
c8 c:32~ | c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c \grace c16~ c8| c16 c^> c c \grace
c16~ c8 c:32~ |
  c4 \grace c16~ c8. c16 | \grace c16~ c8 \grace c16~ c8 \grace c16~
c8 c:32~ | c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c^> c c | }
\alternative { { \grace c16~ c4 r8 c:32~ } {\grace c16~ c4 r4 } }
\bar "|."
---  
\version "2.8.0"

\paper {
  tagline = ""
  indent = 0\cm
  between-system-space = 10\mm
}
\layout{
  \context{
\Score
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
  }
}

\new RhythmicStaff {
\override StemTremolo #'slope = #0.45
   \time 2/4
   
   \partial 8 c8:32~ | 
   \override Staff.TextScript #'staff-padding = #1.1
   \repeat volta 2 
   { c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c16_"H" c_"V" \grace c16~_"V" c8_"H" c16_"V" c_"H" \grace c16~_"H" c8_"V"| c16 c^> c c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | 
 c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c8 c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c^> c c | }
   \alternative { { \grace c16~ c4 r8 c:32~ }  { \grace c16~ c4 r8 c:32~ } } 
 
  \repeat volta 2
  { c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c \grace c16~ c8 | c16 c^> c c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c \grace c16~ c8| c16 c^> c c \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | 
c4 \grace c16~ c8. c16 | \grace c16~ c8 \grace c16~ c8 \grace c16~ c8 c:32~ | c16 c \grace c16~ c8 c16 c^> c c | }
  \alternative { { \grace c16~ c4 r8 c:32~ } {\grace c16~ c4 r4 } }  \bar "|."
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Re: Spacing within same staff group

2006-04-14 Thread Geoff Horton
> annotate-space = ##t

Sorry, that should be annotate-spacing = ##t

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Re: Spacing within same staff group

2006-04-14 Thread Geoff Horton
Add this to your \paper block:

annotate-space = ##t

That will show you what LilyPond thinks is going into each space.
Unfortunately, it doesn't help in this case, because the extra space
between the first and second staves isn't labelled with anything. This
makes me wonder if you haven't found a real live bug.

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How to tune space between key signature and first note?

2006-04-14 Thread Raphael Manfredi
Hello,

I have a score in A minor (blank key signature) but with a part for a
clarinet in B flat, so there is a key signature in B minor for its part
(2 sharps).

The problem stems from the fact that the notes on the Clarinet parts are
too close to the key signature, whereas of course other parts have ample
room between the clef and the first note since there is no signature.

How can I add a constant offset between the emission of the key signature
and the first note on a staff?

Thanks,
Raphael


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