Re: Space on the left end of each line
What about just blanking the bar lines? This will give unfortunately tiny bits of additional space around the barlines (I have not yet figured out how to remove them), but for rhythmically spaced music it might not be even visible. Then your clefs should again appear, and you can just make them also invisible, with a \once \override to make the first clef visible again. Till Don Blaheta wrote: Quoth Mats Bengtsson: Don Blaheta wrote: I'm setting a bunch of plainchant stuff in more or less modern notation, so it uses modern note heads and spacing rules and five lines, but still doesn't have a time signature or key signature and the clef is only printed on the first line. [...] I'd like to allow a fixed-width space at the beginning of the line before the notes start rendering. You didn't tell how you removed the clef and key signatures. If you use \override Staff.KeySignature #'transparent = ##t \override Staff.Clef #'transparent = ##t then they will still take the same space as if they were printed. However, based on your problem description, it seems that you have rather removed the engravers or set ... #'stencil = ##f, which completely removes the clef and time signatures. In fact the issue is that I've removed the Bar engraver, since this is plainchant; without a bar engraver, the clef is never printed at the start of the line. Come to think of it, I'd actually be happy if I just got the clef signs back. In the latter case, a direct answer to your question is \override Score.LeftEdge #'space-alist #'first-note = #'(fixed-space . 10.0) This doesn't seem to do anything at all, whether at the start of the Score, start of the Staff, or anyplace else I can find where it's a syntactically valid statement. Quoth Kieren MacMillan: Have you thought about adding this value to the 'X-extent of the first note? e.g., \once \override NoteColumn #'X-extent = #'(-20 . 1) Even this doesn't seem to work; when I put it before any other note on the line, I get the expected space, but when it is on the first note of the line, nothing happens. (Not quite true: if I put it on the first note of a line that has other stuff on it, e.g. a clef, then it works. So it looks like the X-extent of the leftmost note is allowed to hang off the edge of the staff somehow.) I confess I'm a little relieved; I was not looking forward to adding all these manually! -- -=-Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.blahedo.org/-=- Actually, it's the dice that play God with the universe. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Space-on-the-left-end-of-each-line-tf4818900.html#a14021224 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Stanza strangeness
I've noticed some curious behaviour with \set stanza. (Admittedly, I'm
abusing it a bit, so it's not surprising this wouldn't've come up in
testing!)
If in a Lyrics context I put in a literal
\set stanza = *
then the name of the stanza (here an asterisk) is printed in the lyric,
just as I wanted it to be, without attaching itself to a note. It does
this even if there are other identical \set stanza marks in the same
vicinity.
But if I try to bundle it into a pre-packaged command, it only works if
the stanza does not already have that name. Thus, it works fine the
first time, but not subsequent times. Consider:
join = { \set stanza = * }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto mel \lyricmode {
A -- gnus De -- i,
\join
qui tol -- lis pec -- ca -- ta mun -- di:
mi -- se -- re -- re no -- bis.
A -- gnus De -- i,
\join
qui tol -- lis pec -- ca -- ta mun -- di:
mi -- se -- re -- re no -- bis.
A -- gnus De -- i,
\join
qui tol -- lis pec -- ca -- ta mun -- di:
do -- na no -- bis pa -- cem.
}
When I try this in 2.10.33, the first asterisk prints but the next two
don't. If I replace all the \join lines with the original \set stanza,
they all print. If I replace just the second \join with a \set stanza,
all three print. If I replace just the third \join, then the first and
third print.
I can't imagine a reason why having that in-line vs in a macro *should*
affect the behaviour, though I imagine in practice it's something to do
with the macro version's string being evaluated once and therefore being
referentially equal to itself. Or I could be completely off-base and
this could be not a bug, but a feature. :)
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Re: missing half rest in pdf
Mats- There was no error log, and it certainly didn't in the print out on my
side. The mistake (a missing r2 ) is what I couldn't find/see.
Thank you.
Yours-
Jay
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From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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CC: Lilypond User lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: missing half rest in pdf
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:39:07 +0100
If you are refering to the rest just before the comment in your
code, it's certainly present inthe printed output, but probably
not on the beat you expect to find it. The problem is that your
first ending ends in the middle of a bar (a typo?) which triggers
the bug http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=355.
As you can see in the bug report and in recent versions of the
manual, the workaround is to add an appropriate \partial
directive.
When I tried this in your example, I noted that there seems to
be more rhythmical problems in your file. I strongly encourage
you to use bar checks to easily detect such problems.
/Mats
Jay Hamilton wrote:
The printout for this score in the 'volta' is missing the half rest which is
in the code and I don't see an example in the pdf manual that tells me what I
am doing to cause that.
\version 2.10.25
\header {
title = Desafinado for alto
composer = Antonio Carlos Jobim
copyright = \markup { \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
\center-align
{ All rights reserved
see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/;
} }
}
melody = \relative c' {
\clef treble
\key d \major
\time 2/2
#(set-global-staff-size 24)
\repeat volta 2 {
r8 a'4 b8 cis4 d cis4. b8 bes4 b d4. bes8 bes2 ~ bes1 r8 b4 cis8 d4 e
d4. cis8 c4 cis a'4. c,8 c2 ~ c1}
\alternative { { r8 b a'g fis e4 g8 ~ g4. fis8 c4 cis dis8 fis dis2 b4
c1 r8 f4 e8 d4 b f'4. e8 d4 b d4. bes8 bes2 ~ bes} {r8 a'4 g8 fis e4 g8 ~ g4.
fis e4 d e8 d e2. ~ e2 r
%I have put the double brackets at the end of the line above which is where it
should be but that didn't work either
cis4 dis cis8 dis4 cis8 ~ cis4 b bes b cis1 ~ cis2 r4 bes} }
des4 es des8 es4 des8 ~ des4 b bes b des4. aes8 des2 ~ des1 r des4 es8 f4 ges
aes4 ges bes, b des8 es des es des2 ~ des r4 des e fis e fis e d cis d e b8 e
~ e b e4 ~
e4 r r8 b e fis g4 fis g fis a g fis g e1 ~ e4 r2. r8 a,4 b8 cis4 d
cis4. b8 bes4 b d4. bes8 bes2 ~ bes1 r8 b4 cis8 d4 e d4. cis8 c4 cis b' bes a
gis
g b r fis a gis g fis g fis e d fis2. cis4 e2. b8 cis d d d d d4 d r8 b4 cis8
d4 d
d8 d d d a'4 g ~ g2. b,8 cis d d d d d4 cis8 d ~ d4 r8 cis c4 cis e4. d8 d2 ~
d2. r4
\bar |.
}
\score {
\new Staff \melody
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
Yours-
Jay
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regression volunteer
That's why we want a user to volunteer to check the regression tests. It takes about 15 minutes a month, but it would drastically improve the stability of lilypond. Is that Check the regression tests as in regularly go through .../input/regression/collated-files and report on which pictures don't do what the text says they should? I'll do it. -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
No Convert-ly Binaries
Hi, I havent been using lilypond for some time, so I downloaded lilypond-2.11.35-2.mingw.exe the latest windows development version. I tried running convert-ly but found out that there issn't any binaries convert-ly so I thought I should need to download python to run the convert-ly script. Has the convert-ly binaries been left out or that I'm missing some information? Cheers, Joshua Koo http://zz85.is.dreaming.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: missing half rest in pdf
Jay Hamilton wrote: Mats- There was no error log, and it certainly didn't in the print out on my side. Right, but if you had used bar checks, then you would easily have spotted any such rhythmical errors by looking at the log file. /Mats The mistake (a missing r2 ) is what I couldn't find/see. Thank you. Yours- Jay ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: regression volunteer
Alexander Deubelbeiss wrote: That's why we want a user to volunteer to check the regression tests. It takes about 15 minutes a month, but it would drastically improve the stability of lilypond. Is that Check the regression tests as in regularly go through .../input/regression/collated-files and report on which pictures don't do what the text says they should? I'll do it. A much more clever way is to use the automated regression testing system, which you reach from the documentation web page for the latest version if you click on Developers resources - Regression tests results - ... see for example http://lilypond.org/test/v2.11.32-1/compare-v2.11.30-1/index.html /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
textscript to ignore slur?
Hello again friendly folks, Is there a way to get a markup to totally ignore a slur? I find that when I have a long slur, a textscript off to the far left or right of it is too high and spaces the staff too much. I've not found a good way around this yet. Any help appreciated... Neil -- Neil Thornock, D.M. Visiting Assistant Professor of Music Theory/Composition Brigham Young University ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Phrased plainchant
After last night's emails I realised that the _real_ problem I was
having was with the fact that the bars were ticking away according to an
irrelevant time signature. It turns out that I was able to solve quite
a few of my longstanding issues by attacking that directly. I'm
actually pretty happy with the result (though there's still one
particularly clunky thing and a couple somewhat annoying error messages
I don't fully understand), and wanted to share it and ask some questions
about it.
First, let me lay out what it does. I'm setting some church chants in a
more or less modern notation, with modern note heads but no stems or
flags, and on a modern staff. There are bars, but they separate phrases
rather than measures. And I wanted to include running translation that
was synched by phrase rather than by note. (This last problem was the
one I solved first, and proved to be the way to bootstrap the other
stuff.)
Attached are the two files that set all this up. The header file is for
including at the top of the .ly file, and defines a number of useful
commands. The footer file is for including inside the \score; it turns
off some of the engravers. After you've included these files, you write
out your melody, enclosing every chunk of it with a \phrase{ ... }
marker, and following each with a bar command (e.g. \divisioMinima). The
bar commands have the same names as the ones in gregorian-init but are
only distant relatives: rather than breaths, they are actually bar lines
with the stencil changed. Which means they space themselves very
nicely. The flipside of this is that if you have a phrase boundary
where you don't want a bar line you *must* say \noBar. You also can't
have any notes that aren't part of a \phrase or the bars get all out of
sync. The lyrics you set just as usual, but the phrase translations you
put in a \phraseLyrics (or \italPhraseLyrics) and just include each
individual phrase in quotes. That part looks clean and is pretty cool.
Also attached is a sample file that makes use of the main features.
Here are the questions.
First, the way that I aligned the phrase text was to make an invisible
note that's exactly as long as the phrase, and make the phrase text the
lyric for that note. That strikes me as horribly clunky, but I couldn't
figure out any other way to peg the lyric to a length of time in a
Voice. Is there a better way?
Second, and related, if you compile that you'll notice a bajillion
complaints about a weird minimum distance. That's because I falsed the
stencil for the dummy note; if I let the dummy notes be visible, then
all I get is a couple of clashing note columns. Why is that? Is there
any way to make the errors go away?
Third, and completely unrelated, I think, is that I tried simply
removing the Stem_engraver, but that also made the program spit out a
bunch of error messages (programming error: no stem for note column)
*and* it screws up the slurs so that they are touching the note heads,
for some reason. So instead, I have to override the stem's stencil to
be #f. But, shouldn't removing the stem engraver be the right thing to
do here? Why would not having a stem cause the slurs to draw
incorrectly, when they're not even touching where the stems would be?
Actually, also a fourth question, though I suspect the answer is you
can't: I'd like the left edges of the Latin and the translations to be
aligned. I tried adding a \once \override to the beginning of each
phrase to make the first lyric left-aligned, but that made the music
move into an awkward spacing... what I really want is just to move the
phrase translation over to line up with the left edge of the first lyric
(which would itself remain centred on its note). It seems unlikely, but
is there any hope of that?
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\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly
verse = { \set stanza = ℣. } %V/
response = { \set stanza = ℟. } %R/
join = { \set stanza = ❋ } %*
noBar = {
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil = ##f
}
divisioMinima = {
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil = #ly:breathing-sign::divisio-minima
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'Y-offset = #2
}
divisioMaior = {
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil = #ly:breathing-sign::divisio-maior
}
divisioMaxima = {
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil = #ly:breathing-sign::divisio-maxima
}
finalis = {
\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil = #ly:breathing-sign::finalis
}
phrase =
#(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?)
(let* ((mus-len (ly:music-length music))
(dummy-notes #{ \notemode{ \relative c'' {c1} } #} ))
(ly:music-compress dummy-notes mus-len)
#{
#(set-time-signature (ly:moment-main-numerator $mus-len)
(ly:moment-main-denominator $mus-len))
\context Voice = phrases {
Re: textscript to ignore slur?
Okay, I actually solved it after finding an old post from Kieren; just set the Y-extent for the slur to #'(0 . 0). On 11/29/07, Neil Thornock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again friendly folks, Is there a way to get a markup to totally ignore a slur? I find that when I have a long slur, a textscript off to the far left or right of it is too high and spaces the staff too much. I've not found a good way around this yet. Any help appreciated... Neil -- Neil Thornock, D.M. Visiting Assistant Professor of Music Theory/Composition Brigham Young University -- Neil Thornock, D.M. Visiting Assistant Professor of Music Theory/Composition Brigham Young University ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: textscript to ignore slur?
Maybe someone can explain why the following alternative solution attempt
doesn't make any difference:
\relative c''{
f^Text ( f' c b a g a b^text )
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
f^Text ( f' c b a g a b^text )
}
/Mats
Neil Thornock wrote:
Okay, I actually solved it after finding an old post from Kieren; just
set the Y-extent for the slur to #'(0 . 0).
On 11/29/07, *Neil Thornock* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello again friendly folks,
Is there a way to get a markup to totally ignore a slur? I find
that when I have a long slur, a textscript off to the far left or
right of it is too high and spaces the staff too much. I've not
found a good way around this yet.
Any help appreciated...
Neil
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Re: No Convert-ly Binaries
There are no convert-ly binaries and have never been. However, it seems that the python binary is missing in the 2.11.35-2 package for Windows. The same or similar problem have already been reported for Linux. /Mats Joshua Koo wrote: Hi, I havent been using lilypond for some time, so I downloaded lilypond-2.11.35-2.mingw.exe the latest windows development version. I tried running convert-ly but found out that there issn't any binaries convert-ly so I thought I should need to download python to run the convert-ly script. Has the convert-ly binaries been left out or that I'm missing some information? Cheers, Joshua Koo http://zz85.is.dreaming.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: textscript to ignore slur?
I tried that too, and it actually made the slur immensely too high while not
actually placing the text any closer (still outside the slur).
On 11/29/07, Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe someone can explain why the following alternative solution attempt
doesn't make any difference:
\relative c''{
f^Text ( f' c b a g a b^text )
\override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside
f^Text ( f' c b a g a b^text )
}
/Mats
Neil Thornock wrote:
Okay, I actually solved it after finding an old post from Kieren; just
set the Y-extent for the slur to #'(0 . 0).
On 11/29/07, *Neil Thornock* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello again friendly folks,
Is there a way to get a markup to totally ignore a slur? I find
that when I have a long slur, a textscript off to the far left or
right of it is too high and spaces the staff too much. I've not
found a good way around this yet.
Any help appreciated...
Neil
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Re: regression volunteer
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:32 +0100 Von: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] A much more clever way is to use the automated regression testing system, Extremely clever for day to day type checks, but for a first pass the actual, individual tests and results need some love. Take a look, for instance, at accidental-single-double.ly: This works, and probably shows extremely little variation from release to release, but it doesn't test what the description says it's meant to test. The notes are gisis gis gisis ges; according to the text they should be gisis gis geses ges. So, yeah. I'm makin' a list and checkin' it twice ;) -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
hide staves and bars
I would like to hide all the bars with only rests in an orchestral scores. With RemoveEmptyStaffContext I can hide staves with only rests, but if I've a single bar in a stave, where an instrument plays, Lilypond shows me the complete stave with lots of rests! Is there another way? Thanks Stezano ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: hide staves and bars
Something along the lines of: \override Staff.StaffSymbol #'transparent = ##t \stopStaff \startStaff placed just before the empty measures; and \revert Staff.StaffSymbol #'transparent \stopStaff \startStaff placed just before the measures with music. A bit more tweaking may be necessary to get clefs, etc., just the way you want, but it's doable. On 11/29/07, stefanozanobini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to hide all the bars with only rests in an orchestral scores. With RemoveEmptyStaffContext I can hide staves with only rests, but if I've a single bar in a stave, where an instrument plays, Lilypond shows me the complete stave with lots of rests! Is there another way? Thanks Stezano ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Neil Thornock, D.M. Visiting Assistant Professor of Music Theory/Composition Brigham Young University ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond for serial music?
From: Andrea Valle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I typically use lilypond for algorithmic composition. I use Python to =20= script lily. Sorry to meddle in the thread. Why Python and not the built-in Scheme interpreter? Personal preference or something you would advise other people to? I would be interested to know. I've used Excel outputting to Cakewalk in the distant past, then LISP with output hand copied to score, more recently Mathematica with cut-and-paste to lilypond. Mathematica is great, has lots of combinatorial functions and also does audio, but I'm finding some problems keeping things working across versions and it really is not free at all; it's becoming more an environment than a programming language and it's too expensive to use only as a programming language. I'm considering either moving back to Common LISP with Lilypond output or using the built-in Scheme interpreter; but although I have a 15+ year programming background, I'm not finding it very easy to use Lilypond Scheme. Greetings, Miguel Ramos Lisboa ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond for serial music?
(Still can't understand this list behaviour of replying to the author and not to the list...) Hi Miguel, I don't like lisp-like languages. I really prefer OO languages. More, I've always find difficult to understand lily internals (no figure, scheme stuff etc). So, for my personal preference indeed, I have used Python. There's also to say that Trevor B. has an incredible on going project integrating Python and Lilypond. I started pressing him to release it under sourceforge but evidently he is busy...:-) For the last project I used SuperCollider, an audio prog language which has a Smalltalk-like syntax: this allowed me to integrate notation with audio analysis and synthesis. If you want to integrate very complex audio stuff, use a very sophisticated language and then output to lily, I'll suggest SC. More, I wrote some classes in SC which allowed me to import/export with Praat. So, I have all the audio analysis I need. You may check this: http://www.nabble.com/python-%3Elilypond-tf2401329.html#a6698740 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/ 20070504.140614.ff7f1029.en.html There are some people interested in stuff like this. We could share some infos on a wiki or something. Best -a- On 29 Nov 2007, at 20:18, Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos wrote: From: Andrea Valle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I typically use lilypond for algorithmic composition. I use Python to =20= script lily. Sorry to meddle in the thread. Why Python and not the built-in Scheme interpreter? Personal preference or something you would advise other people to? I would be interested to know. I've used Excel outputting to Cakewalk in the distant past, then LISP with output hand copied to score, more recently Mathematica with cut-and-paste to lilypond. Mathematica is great, has lots of combinatorial functions and also does audio, but I'm finding some problems keeping things working across versions and it really is not free at all; it's becoming more an environment than a programming language and it's too expensive to use only as a programming language. I'm considering either moving back to Common LISP with Lilypond output or using the built-in Scheme interpreter; but although I have a 15+ year programming background, I'm not finding it very easy to use Lilypond Scheme. Greetings, Miguel Ramos Lisboa -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino -- http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lilypond slowness?
I have had a break working with lilypond, but I just downloaded 2.11.35(running on Vista x86), and find it *very* slow compared to my recollection. We're talking close to thee digit numbers for a simple monophonic score with less than 20 bars.. This cannot be right? What am I missing here? running with -V seems to indicate that it's Building font database every time, how can I avoid this? ..and yes, I have installed it to a directory that does not require admin privileges. regards, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SOLVED: going backwards in time
2007/11/29, Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Excellent. I think what clued me in was the error message about going *backwards* in time ... And, yes: I think Han-Wen and the gurus really *really* got it right on the time-keeping: AFAICS, it's all rationals all the time and so completely exact. Actually, lily should never go backwards in time, not even if you have really wonky time sigs and tuplets, so this is definitively a bug. One possibility is that you have an overflow error: the rationals use 32 bit integers, so they easily overflow if you do strange things. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SOLVED: going backwards in time
Hi Han-Wen, I see -- so even with my arithmetic error (which started as a tiny offset of 9/6319), we should expect Lily to render the score. I can see that if fractional relations get complex enough to require more precision than 32-bit values, there could be a problem. Is a possible solution to use 64-bit representation internally? Best regards, Adam On 11/29/07, Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/11/29, Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Excellent. I think what clued me in was the error message about going *backwards* in time ... And, yes: I think Han-Wen and the gurus really *really* got it right on the time-keeping: AFAICS, it's all rationals all the time and so completely exact. Actually, lily should never go backwards in time, not even if you have really wonky time sigs and tuplets, so this is definitively a bug. One possibility is that you have an overflow error: the rationals use 32 bit integers, so they easily overflow if you do strange things. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: regression volunteer
Alexander Deubelbeiss wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:32 +0100 Von: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] A much more clever way is to use the automated regression testing system, Extremely clever for day to day type checks, but for a first pass the actual, individual tests and results need some love. Take a look, for instance, at accidental-single-double.ly: This works, and probably shows extremely little variation from release to release, but it doesn't test what the description says it's meant to test. The notes are gisis gis gisis ges; according to the text they should be gisis gis geses ges. So, yeah. I'm makin' a list and checkin' it twice ;) Stan Sanderson also expressed interest, so let's have two people making lists and checking them twice. :) Here's the instructions I sent to Stan: Unstable docs, developer resources: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/devel Take a look at the regression tests. WARNING: I think it's about 5 megabytes. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/regression/collated-files If any example looks broken, send an email to bug-lilypond ASAP. You just need to state the test name. (although one or two sentences about the problem could be nice -- depends on how obvious the problem is) A better method, once you've checked the complete list of tests, is the comparisons between releases. For example: http://lilypond.org/test/v2.11.33-1/compare-v2.11.32-1/index.html These are the webpages you will be checking most often. They show you the examples that changed. Most changes will be harmless -- for example, the changes on that webpage are fine. But some changes will break things; if the picture on the right-hand column looks bad, send us the file name. Start off looking at these webpages, and ask any more questions. I'd like you to check these regtests (just the comparison) every time there's a new devel release. This averages two per month, although in the past two months there has only been one update. So the amount of time will vary somewhat... but as you can see, it's not such a huge job. INSTRUCTION FOR BOTH: - please sign up for the bug-lilypond mailist. - when you find a problem (be it in the release-to-release comparison, or in the complete list), send an email to bug-lilypond. - if the other person has already reported a bug, don't send another email. :) Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SOLVED: going backwards in time
2007/11/29, Adam James Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I see -- so even with my arithmetic error (which started as a tiny offset of 9/6319), we should expect Lily to render the score. I can see that if fractional relations get complex enough to require more precision than 32-bit values, there could be a problem. Is a possible solution to use 64-bit representation internally? It's an option, but it's a stopgap measure. The real solution is to have a arbitrary precision arithmetic. GUILE already provides that, but it would have a slight but noticeable performance impact. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SOLVED: going backwards in time
On Nov 29, 2007 6:28 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/11/29, Adam James Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I see -- so even with my arithmetic error (which started as a tiny offset of 9/6319), we should expect Lily to render the score. I can see that if fractional relations get complex enough to require more precision than 32-bit values, there could be a problem. Is a possible solution to use 64-bit representation internally? It's an option, but it's a stopgap measure. The real solution is to have a arbitrary precision arithmetic. GUILE already provides that, but it would have a slight but noticeable performance impact. Maybe a compile-time option to chose between the two? -- Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Mac OS X Intel Lilypond
On the Lilypond downloads page, there are links to Mac OS X Intel packages but in fact they contain PPC binaries not Intel binaries. Are there actual Intel binaries available? Regards, Ruben ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond slowness?
2007/11/29, Simon Dahlbacka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have had a break working with lilypond, but I just downloaded 2.11.35 (running on Vista x86), and find it *very* slow compared to my recollection. We're talking close to thee digit numbers for a simple monophonic score with less than 20 bars.. This cannot be right? What am I missing here? running with -V seems to indicate that it's Building font database every time, how can I avoid this? ..and yes, I have installed it to a directory that does not require admin privileges. Unfortunately, I don't have a vista machine handy to test this. Can you check if older versions (2.7, 2.8, 2.9, 2.10, etc.) exhibit the same behavior? If no, can you use bisection to figure out which version introduced the slowness? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
