Re: Creating a book of music
2008/1/7, Thomas Spuhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I got a pdf, but I had lost of errors: See attached Hmm... weird... It works here, with the file you posted. Are you sure this is the *exact* file you tried to compile? Is your \header block perfectly written (no missing braces or something? Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: working with two different lilypond versions
Just call the corresponding binary, and everything should work fine. To be more precise, you could for example install with sh lilypond-2.10.33-1.linux-x86.sh --prefix=/usr/local/lily2.10 sh lilypond-2.11.36-1.linux-x86.sh --prefix=/usr/local/lily2.11 and then call /usr/local/lily2.10/bin/lilypond to get 2.10.33 and /usr/local/lily2.11/bin/lilypond to get 2.11.36. I often have to command windows open, one where I've set the $PATH to include the stable version, another where I've set the $PATH to the development version. /Mats milarepa7 wrote: Hello, I'd like to know what is the way to invoke a specific lilypond version? I saw the command LILYPOND_DATADIR to set this up ( for me it would be /usr/share/lilypond/2.11.37 or 2.10.33) I don't know how to do that and maybe there's an easier way. To be more precise, I'm under Gentoo and put these two versions in two different slots but there's nothing like gcc-config : lilypond-config and it seems that I can't directly invoke a specific version... Regards Matth -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Index: merge
NR Chapter 1 Musical Notation Collision Resolution @cindex Merging noteheads BTW I use the index a lot while researching material for the Learning Manual. Because I use the pdf edition of the Notation Reference I use the viewer's full-text search to find anything that is not indexed. This almost always works well. Trevor D ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Thank you!
Hello, this is my first time I write something here. As a lilypond-nearly-newbie, I want to say Thank you for this list. Though I understand only half of the things written here, there were 2 things I'm grateful to know: First: The LSR. I didnt know that it exists before. Second: There was one Posting which recommended LilyPondTool. This is for me a great thing, because I just want to write playable scores without thinking about Tags and so on. Thank you - I'll continue to read this fine mailing list. Best to all Christian ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Volunteering with LilyPond
I don't find the \overrides very hard to understand; it's one of the very first thing I knew how to achieve in LilyPond (Bertalan's plugin LilyPondTool helped me a lot to understand it, though). Well, actually it was what made me start implementing the plugin: I also wanted to understand \override :-) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: markup at the left of multimeasure rests
Paul You're right, R11 is different in this respect. Bars no longer expand by default to accommodate markup text attached to skip notes. Such text is still left-aligned to the skip note, but it is now positioned above the bar count numeral. Prepending \fatText will cause the bar to expand, but as the text itself now determines the bar length it appears to be centered even though it is actually left-aligned on the skip note. If you make two markups in the same bar, one short and one long, you will see the shorter markup is left-aligned. IIRC the text appeared alongside the bar count numeral pre-R11; in R11 it will normally appear above it, although when there are two markups the shorter one may drop down if there is room for it. I've sent a patch for the NR to clarify this. Trevor D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+t.daniels=treda.co.u [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Scott Sent: 06 January 2008 07:58 To: lilypond-user Mailinglist Subject: markup at the left of multimeasure rests This subject used to be documented but doesn't seem to be in the 2.11.37 doc's. It also doesn't seem to work as it did at one time This is from the 2.4 manual which resulted from my Googling: If you want to have a text on the left end of a multi-measure rest, attach the text to a zero-length skip note, i.e. s1*0^Allegro R1*4 Attached is an example which doesn't work that way. It centers the test as MultiMeasureRestText http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/ lilypond-internals-big-page#MultiMeasureRestText would be expected to do. Paul Scott ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
I will write up something for you. In fact, I will also write a description of the steps to install LilyPondTool. It took me at least 4 hours to find the information from the web sites for java, jedit and LPT and figure out what to do and not to do. Oops, that's quite much. So you could write some lines about installing for pure users? It would be quite hard for me to write a correct install guide, because I always have 4 or 5 versions of jEdit, Java and LilyPond and LilyPondTool hanging around on my machine :-) And I suggest pointing me the best place to place this guide to. Because I could write the guide in 3 lines (Install Java, Install JEdit, Install LilyPondTool plugin), but I'm not sure thet people will find this. Since java and jedit are very general purpose progs I could write a simple summary that applies to linux and Lilypond. Marty ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
2008/1/7, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I suggest pointing me the best place to place this guide to. Because I could write the guide in 3 lines (Install Java, Install JEdit, Install LilyPondTool plugin), but I'm not sure thet people will find this. The normal place would be 2.2.3 in the Application Usage guide; however, I'd like to add @ref links everywhere I can. For example, there's currently *no* place were it's specified that you actually *have* to have a text editor installed on your box. In fact, I would even mention it in the Tutorial's First-steps (I know it's theoretically not convenient, but this is the only place we can reasonable hope that newcomers will look at). Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
cluster and stems
how can we get a slanted stem on d' which joins the one on c' cs':
I'm just looking for way to make a stright stem angled...
==
%-
% Notated Clusters
% Date:
% Time-stamp: 2007-12-12 22:55:56 mehmet
% -
%-
\version 2.10
\include english.ly
\score
{
\relative c'
{
\once\override Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0.1 . 0)
c!
}
\\
{
\once\override Accidental #'extra-offset = #'(-1.5 . 0)
\once\override Stem #'transparent = ##t
\once\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #0.85
cs
}
\\
\once\override Stem #'transparent = ##t
\once\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.85
d
}
===
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Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
I would mention it on the main page of LilyPond, like this: Get Started Now! Choose your platform: Linux Windows Mac Most people (including me) never reads any documentation in the first place. Starting to use lilypond (or any software) should definitely work without reading a single word of the manual. People are especially scared by the followings: making choices and reading documentation. So inexperienced users should not decide anything. How could they decide e.g. if they need the development or the stable version? Then he goes with the instable LilyPond, the stable jEdit and Java 1.4 And finds that nothing works. Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/1/7, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I suggest pointing me the best place to place this guide to. Because I could write the guide in 3 lines (Install Java, Install JEdit, Install LilyPondTool plugin), but I'm not sure thet people will find this. The normal place would be 2.2.3 in the Application Usage guide; however, I'd like to add @ref links everywhere I can. For example, there's currently *no* place were it's specified that you actually *have* to have a text editor installed on your box. In fact, I would even mention it in the Tutorial's First-steps (I know it's theoretically not convenient, but this is the only place we can reasonable hope that newcomers will look at). Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Volunteering with LilyPond
On 07.01.2008 (12:14), Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: I don't find the \overrides very hard to understand; it's one of the very first thing I knew how to achieve in LilyPond (Bertalan's plugin LilyPondTool helped me a lot to understand it, though). Well, actually it was what made me start implementing the plugin: I also wanted to understand \override :-) \overrides in themselves are not so hard to understand, but in many cases, the scheme code that is needed in the construction seems more complicated than necessary for simple tasks -- it takes a lot of work, looking up things to get things right. Besides, once one draws in \set and \tweak along with \override, it's not so simple anymore... e -- Challenge: Time? Answer: A brilliant, many-faceted gem. Challenge: Time? Answer: A dark stone, reflecting no visible light. -- Fremen wisdom, from The Riddle Game ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thank you!
2008/1/7, Christian Braumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, this is my first time I write something here. As a lilypond-nearly-newbie, I want to say Thank you for this list. You're welcome :) First: The LSR. I didnt know that it exists before. Interesting... Some of us think we have made it as visible as we could. Obviously we could do better. Second: There was one Posting which recommended LilyPondTool. This is for me a great thing, because I just want to write playable scores without thinking about Tags and so on. This has to be more visible too. I've just mentioned it in another discussion. Graham: what about creating a new page in (for example) the Learning manual, named Getting ready to work with LilyPond or something? (you know I'm ready to do it, I'm just asking for your opinion here) Otherwise, I'd like to show you an idea that I've just had: on the attached index.html page, I've implemented in a very visible way the LSR searching function and the MG4J searchable manual provided by Sebastiano. We can discuss the page layout, but still, I kinda find if potentially useful :) Cheers, Valentin Title: LilyPond @TOPLEVEL_VERSION@ documentation LilyPond documentation Version @TOPLEVEL_VERSION@ @DATE@ Learning manual (start here) Music glossary (in one big page ~ 1 Mb, in PDF) (for non-English users) Search in the LilyPond Documentation: Search in the LilyPond Snippet Repository: Notation reference (in one big page ~ 4 Mb, in PDF) (writing music in LilyPond) Internals reference (in one big page ~ 1 Mb) (definitions for tweaking) Application usage (in one big page, in PDF) (how to install and run the program) Snippets (Short tricks, tips, and examples) Developers resources (documentation for developers and contributors) News (changes since the previous major release) Examples (see some examples) lilypond.org (the website) License (the GNU GPL) Thankyous (to our contributors) Dedication (by Jan and Han-Wen) NOTE: like every HTML page in this documentation, you can find at bottom links to translations of this page in other languages. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
2008/1/7, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would mention it on the main page of LilyPond, like this: Get Started Now! Choose your platform: Linux Windows Mac On http://www.videolan.org/ they even have a script that detects your OS (even your distro), and changes the page accordingly. So inexperienced users should not decide anything. How could they decide e.g. if they need the development or the stable version? Then he goes with the instable LilyPond, the stable jEdit and Java 1.4 And finds that nothing works. You have a point here. I've just been doing HTML/CSS for 24 hours; could you possibly send me a draft based on your idea? If you do not have time right now, I will come up with something but maybe in a few days :) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: cluster and stems
Hi Mehmet,
how can we get a slanted stem on d' which joins the one on c' cs':
I'm just looking for way to make a stright stem angled...
How's this?
\version 2.11.33
\include english.ly
\score
{
\relative c'
{
\once\override Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0.1 . 0)
c!
}
\\
{
\once\override Accidental #'extra-offset = #'(-1.5 . 0)
\once\override Stem #'transparent = ##t
\once\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #0.85
cs
}
\\
\once\override Stem #'rotation = #'(45 0 0)
\once\override Stem #'extra-offset = #'(-1.2 . -0.2)
\once\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.85
d
}
Hope this helps!
Kieren.
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Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: Most people (including me) never reads any documentation in the first place. Starting to use lilypond (or any software) should definitely work without reading a single word of the manual. People are especially scared by the followings: making choices and reading documentation. Honestly, would you expect any user to be able to do any real-world typesetting with LilyPond without reading a single word in the manual? Even though you have done a great job in LilyPondTool, I still think there's a huge step compared to using a WYSIWYG program like Finale or Sibelius or ... Therefore, my approach has always been to tell new users right away that they will have to read the tutorial. (On the other hand, you probably need to do quite some reading to produce the desired layout using these commercial programs as well, but that's may just be my prejudices, I don't have any user experience of these programs. I have played from a number of ill prepared scores, though). /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
Well, I used Finale before LilyPond for 3 years and also created a score with Sibelius. Actually making advanced progress with Finale or Sibelius does require the manual, but for simple scores you don't need it. I'm just talking about the first impression, not even real typesetting. I think we should make the user to go as far as possible without written manual. Actually we needn't make LilyPond completely usable without reading the manual. We just should make users not scared of using an environment and style of computer usage completely unfamiliar for them. Make them confident that they can easily create scores: trust us, just click on this exe and write c d e f - you can do it. Bert Mats Bengtsson wrote: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: Most people (including me) never reads any documentation in the first place. Starting to use lilypond (or any software) should definitely work without reading a single word of the manual. People are especially scared by the followings: making choices and reading documentation. Honestly, would you expect any user to be able to do any real-world typesetting with LilyPond without reading a single word in the manual? Even though you have done a great job in LilyPondTool, I still think there's a huge step compared to using a WYSIWYG program like Finale or Sibelius or ... Therefore, my approach has always been to tell new users right away that they will have to read the tutorial. (On the other hand, you probably need to do quite some reading to produce the desired layout using these commercial programs as well, but that's may just be my prejudices, I don't have any user experience of these programs. I have played from a number of ill prepared scores, though). /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Uninstalling Liliypond
2008/1/7, Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Honestly, would you expect any user to be able to do any real-world typesetting with LilyPond without reading a single word in the manual? Not real-world typesetting. But at least (partially) understand and compile the first-run example file. When writing EasyLilyPond, I have completely rewritten and expanded the default windows-lilypad file that normally opens when you just double-click on the Desktop icon (see attached file for the English version). I don't claim that it's a perfect solution; it's full of comments and is clearly meant to be read through a syntax-coloration editor like jEdit (my only point was to make sure that the default example file could be localized in the user's language). But nevertheless, any user that has just installed the program will be tempted to run it and see what it can do, and possibly understand the most basic concept behind it (and you know how particularly important is this first basic understanding in LilyPond). I think that's what Bertalan was refering to. you have done a great job in LilyPondTool, I still think there's a huge step compared to using a WYSIWYG program like Finale or Sibelius or ... The first thing you do when discovering such a program is still to open one of the provided example files. If I might refer to EasyLilyPond again, in addition to the Launcher I wrote, I made the installer automatically add a shortcut to LilyPond Example files, on the Desktop. (It's a bit intrusive, but the user can still remove it whenever he wants). Plus, thanks to the existing Windows installation script, you only have to double click on a .ly to get a nice PDF. There again, I agree with Bertalan on the first feeling thing: I've just downloaded and installed LilyPond, Ok, let's see what it can do; oh, weird no window opens but -- hey, look at this PDF that has just appeared! Wow, what a nice score! Let's see how it's made... Then, two possibilities: -I just can't get how it's made and how to use it; I'll just uninstall it and forget it -omg, quite complicated actually. Let's see if there's any Tutorial somewhere... 2008/1/7, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually we needn't make LilyPond completely usable without reading the manual. We just should make users not scared. That was my whole point. But you're more concise than I am :) Cheers, Valentin welcome.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Problem with Lilypond on Intel Mac OS X 10.5.1
Hello I just downloaded and installed Lilypond 2.10.33 for Intel Mac OS X 10.5.1 Problem: I get no no File, Edit, Compile, Font, Window, or Help menus Double clicking on the Lilypond icon results in Lilypond opening up with the familiar Welcome to Lilypond text document displayed. However, I see only the Lilypond menu, but no menu items (like About Lilypond, Services, etc) open up when I click on it. There are no File, Edit, Compile, Font, Window, or Help menus Any illumination appreciated. Thank-you Nick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Tuplet Collision
In this I have the tuplet bar of one tuplet colliding with the tuplet number
of another. I've tried moving them but I don't know how to move just one
tuplet. A \once \override moves both tuplets the same direction.
\times 3/2 { \times 2/3 { f'16 [d b] } g8 }
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Re: Problem with Lilypond on Intel Mac OS X 10.5.1
2008/1/7, Nick Didkovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello I just downloaded and installed Lilypond 2.10.33 for Intel Mac OS X 10.5.1 Problem: I get no no File, Edit, Compile, Font, Window, or Help menus It is a very annoying bug, we are aware of it and trying everything to solve it: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=504 2 hints: You should try with the PPC version (it will run using Rosetta, I guess). The interface might still be broken but you should still be able to use the LilyPond commands in Terminal. Another possible solution has been reported to partially work (see the discussion on the link above): use the iPatcher application to patch LilyPond. Please tell us if you manage to get it working, and tell us what you did. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Tuplet Collision
2008/1/7, Brian Romero [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In this I have the tuplet bar of one tuplet colliding with the tuplet number of another. I've tried moving them but I don't know how to move just one tuplet. A \once \override moves both tuplets the same direction. There's the \tupletDown or \tupletUp shortcut, which is very useful. However, I can't reproduce the collision here; which version are you running? Can you send a small picture? Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: volunteering and other questions
Happy New Year.
Wow. There's been a lot of activity on the mailing list the last few days.
1. I want to help in some small way if I can, but I 'm not sure what's
best for me to do. I looked at Graham's list of jobs
(http://web.uvic.ca/~gperciva/lilyjobs.html) and I nothing stands out as
something I'm particularly suited for. I'm a horn player, and so is
Han-Wen, so it seems like the horn-specific stuff in Lilypond is pretty
well taken care of. :-)
English is my primary language, I'm not a programmer, and I'd say I'm an
advanced beginner when it comes to proficiency with LP - I've been using
it for about a year, but not heavily, usually just to arrange my own parts
from other material. I read the mailiing list regularly, and learn a lot
from it, usually just storing up the knowledge that LP is capable of X and
that if I ever need to do X, I can search for it later, rather than
actually using X. I'm always using the latest development version.
Can anyone just assign me a one-hour or less job, based on the above
abilities? Then when I finish, either assign another or maybe it will be
obvious to me what to do next.
If I don't get a response, I'll start with Checking the Learning Manual.
2. The advanced layout and titling stylesheet example in the LSR
(http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=368) makes no sense to me at all.
It says, Below is just a temporary dummy example to ensure LSR
compatibility. Remember to remove it when using the actual code.
Where do I get the actual code?
(The description makes it sound like it will do something like what
Nicolas' framwork in his Couperin book will do, but I can't figure out how
to use Nicolas' code. It seems I need Linux, but I'm running WinXP. I
surmise that the makefile is key to his framework, and to use it I need
Linux, right?)
3. Suggestions for change to LM:
Chapter 2.1.1:
Under Windows, replace To get an empty file to start from, run the
editor as described above and use ?New? in the ?File? menu.
with
To get an empty file to start from, run the editor as described above and
use ?New? in the ?File? menu, or right-click on the desktop and select
New...Text Document, and change the extension to .ly.
Chapter 2.1.3
a comment is a remark for the human reader of the music input; it is
ignored while parsing, so it has no effect on the printed output. There
are two types of comments. The percent symbol % introduces a line comment;
anything after % on that line is ignored. A block comment marks a whole
section of music input as a comment. Anything that is enclosed in %{ and
%} is ignored. (Comments do not nest.)
What does Comments do not nest mean? Does it mean I can't put a comment
within a comment? I tried it and it seemed to be no problem.
4. What is a .ily file?
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Re: Problem with Lilypond on Intel Mac OS X 10.5.1
Thank-you Valentin I downloaded and installed the PPC version, which also did not show menus after launching from the icon. But as you indicated, it worked ok at a Terminal... ~/Desktop/LilyPondPPC.app/Contents/Resources/bin/lilypond --pdf --output=dada dada.ly ...ran OK and produced a good pdf As others on the list reported, the Intel version does not work at the Terminal. Nick Didkovsky Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/1/7, Nick Didkovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello I just downloaded and installed Lilypond 2.10.33 for Intel Mac OS X 10.5.1 Problem: I get no no File, Edit, Compile, Font, Window, or Help menus It is a very annoying bug, we are aware of it and trying everything to solve it: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=504 2 hints: You should try with the PPC version (it will run using Rosetta, I guess). The interface might still be broken but you should still be able to use the LilyPond commands in Terminal. Another possible solution has been reported to partially work (see the discussion on the link above): use the iPatcher application to patch LilyPond. Please tell us if you manage to get it working, and tell us what you did. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Index: merge
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:32:28 - Trevor Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NR Chapter 1 Musical Notation Collision Resolution Nice try, but that wasn't an *exact* section title. The within 30 seconds game only works if it's an *exact* (ie lower-case r in Reolsution) section title. @cindex Merging noteheads Thanks, committed. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: volunteering and other questions
Trevor -- some comments for you at the bottom.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:35:56 -0800
Tim Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm a horn player, and so
is Han-Wen, so it seems like the horn-specific stuff in Lilypond is
pretty well taken care of. :-)
Yes and no; for example, does NR 2 have any brass instruments
section? Are there any special horn notation stuff that would
require such a section?
(the answer may well be `no', but I don't know)
-- err, don't answer this question yet. I'm not thinking about NR
2 until we finish NR 1... this is just a small example to show
that _no_ user can afford to say oh, Graham does string music, so
I don't need to bother looking for problems with violin music
writing with the lilypond docs. :)
I read the mailiing list
regularly, and learn a lot from it, usually just storing up the
knowledge that LP is capable of X and that if I ever need to do X, I
can search for it later, rather than actually using X.
lilypond-user secretary? (the more the better)
LSR adder?
Can anyone just assign me a
one-hour or less job, based on the above abilities?
The above tasks are ongoing jobs, not a one-shot thing.
Then when I
finish, either assign another or maybe it will be obvious to me what
to do next. If I don't get a response, I'll start with Checking the
Learning Manual.
I'd suggest this anyway. It's not a one-hour job, but it _is_ a
one-shot job.
2. The advanced layout and titling stylesheet example in the LSR
(http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=368) makes no sense to me at all.
It says, Below is just a temporary dummy example to ensure LSR
compatibility. Remember to remove it when using the actual code.
Where do I get the actual code?
...
I'm sorry to say this, but could we put that discussion on hold
for a week or so? As you've noted, there's been a huge number of
posts over the weekend; I'd like to get things settled down a bit
before returning to that issue.
General note: please send suggestions like this in a separate
email. That will keep the discussions much more focused and
easier to follow.
3. Suggestions for change to LM:
Chapter 2.1.1:
Under Windows, replace To get an empty file to start from, run the
editor as described above and use ?New? in the ?File? menu.
with
To get an empty file to start from, run the editor as described
above and use ?New? in the ?File? menu, or right-click on the desktop
and select New...Text Document, and change the extension to .ly.
Chapter 2.1.3
a comment is a remark for the human reader of the music input; it is
ignored while parsing, so it has no effect on the printed output.
There are two types of comments. The percent symbol % introduces a
line comment; anything after % on that line is ignored. A block
comment marks a whole section of music input as a comment. Anything
that is enclosed in %{ and %} is ignored. (Comments do not nest.)
What does Comments do not nest mean? Does it mean I can't put a
comment within a comment? I tried it and it seemed to be no problem.
4. What is a .ily file?
Tim Reeves
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Re: Thank you!
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:57:31 +0100 Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/7, Christian Braumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First: The LSR. I didnt know that it exists before. Some of us think we have made it as visible as we could. I don't think anybody thinks that. At least, *I* don't. Graham: what about creating a new page in (for example) the Learning manual, named Getting ready to work with LilyPond or something? (you know I'm ready to do it, I'm just asking for your opinion here) Exact proposal please. You're talking about LM 2.1.1? How would you change that page? Otherwise, I'd like to show you an idea that I've just had: on the attached index.html page, I've implemented in a very visible way the We're not playing with index.html until we've finished most of GDP. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Index: merge
Aah - but it -was- 'Collision Resolution' in the 11.2.32 manual, which happened to be the one I checked as I had it open at the time. I almost remarked that it should be 'Collision resolution', but it seems someone has beaten me to it :) Trevor -Original Message- From: Graham Percival [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 January 2008 19:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: Re: Index: merge On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:32:28 - Trevor Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NR Chapter 1 Musical Notation Collision Resolution Nice try, but that wasn't an *exact* section title. The within 30 seconds game only works if it's an *exact* (ie lower-case r in Reolsution) section title. @cindex Merging noteheads Thanks, committed. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Orchestral score
Sorry to repost this problem so soon, but I really am stumped. On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am stumped. I have a score with 22 staves, one system to a page. I want Lilypond to layout the score so that the the score fills the page. It would be very nice if the first staff and last staff on each page lined up when laid side by side. In other words, I want Lilypond to stretch the interstaff spacing appropriately for each page. I have searched the manual and the LSR without success. I've tried setting VerticalAlighment #'max-stretch = #ly:align-interface::calc-max-stretch without any change. In particular, the first page is the worst. Lilypond is pushing the staves way down (actually off) the page and leaving a large gap at the top between the title and the first staff. I am running 2.11.36. There is nothing special about the code or music to post. This is a different problem from my prior question asking how to even out the staves over multiple pages in orchestral parts. The solution offered (to set ragged-last-bottom = #f ) worked great. The issue here is just that in a 32 pages orchestral score, the total vertical height of the score increases and decreases with the number of ledger lines and text and I find the look of the score awkward as I read through the pages. Is there a way to instruct Lilypond to use all the available vertical space on a page? Much obliged. Jeremiah ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thank you!
2008/1/7, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We're not playing with index.html until we've finished most of GDP. I understand that (and Bertalan does too, no need to convince him here). I'll keep refurbishing my index.html and my texinfo.css for a convenient time. However, you may have noticed that my way is different than yours: I use to always do a few different LilyPond-related tasks at a same time, so that I never get bored (I've even been drawing LilyPond comic strips, for Christ's sake! :) 2008/1/7, Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, that contradicts the release early, release often concept of opensource software, however I'm not sure it is applicable here :-) Neither am I. Besides, I still haven't thanked you for having accepted me in the LilyPondTool development team. I've just learned git basics and there's quite a lot of work with LilyPond; however, I will store EasyLilyPond on the lily4jedit svn repository as soon as I do have a minute :) We have been discussing about Lilytool a lot on the French list lately, plus I have a few ideas on my own. But here I have to take Graham's way: we'll have to discuss LilyPondTool development a bit later... ps. Sorry if it is strange that I became so active - I just gained energy from EasyLilypond :-) Great -- that was one of my secret intentions :) I hope you will keep it that way, Rune and I met a few days ago and we were quite worried about our lack of (available) talented and dedicated people like you... Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Thank you!
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:19:26 +0100
Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, you may have noticed that my way is different than yours: I
use to always do a few different LilyPond-related tasks at a same
time, so that I never get bored
So do I.
- oversee normal bug reports
- manage volunteers
- explain things to new volunteers
- read all mailists for anything relevant
- discuss various long-ranging plans, or in some cases postpone
such discussions
- apply Trevor's patches to the LM, after fixing build issues
- manually merge .itely files where two people were working on
them at the same time and moved text around
- carefully review and commit patches from newer helpers
- explain what the docs meant to newer helpers, so that they can
phrase it better
- discuss specifics of doc sections with helpers who are working
on those sections
- manage TODO lists
- manage doc sources for people who aren't using git
Since I'm hitting 4 hours a day, I'm clearly doing too much --
especially for somebody who's retiring. Therefore I feel entirely
justified in shelving discussion about whatever we were talking
about.
Since you have so much energy, you can go and fix some mistakes:
- Unanswered bug report from Raphael Manfredi from Jan 6. Two reports
were made; Mats answered one of them. You can't be bored of bugs
already.
- obvious mistakes in the Pitches snippet list. Since I've
announced the almost-final version of Pitches, it would have
been nice if these were already fixed.
- WTF are glissano-contemporary and jazz-combo-template listed here?
- there's some obvious indentation problems. I'm particularly
concerned about preventing-extra... since that's included verbatim in
the manual. Some advanced user is going to point out this problem in a
day or two.
- a few snippets have odd extra {} around the entire thing.
- ambiti-multiple-voices has some problems with the snippetverbatim.
You could leave this for John to fix, but it would be nice if you could
figure out why it's happening and fix it yourself.
These tasks aren't as urgent as the bug reports, so I didn't
bother mentioning them a week ago when I first noticed them.
- in a few weeks, all going well, we'll be looking at Rhythms.
You could start looking for problems there.
Cheers,
- Graham
PS I'm generally much, much nicer to volunteers. I'm just hard
on Valentin because he reminds me of myself when I was young (-er)
and foolish (-er). :)
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