date:20080228

>>> * compound time sig -- this is a well established term refering to meter
>>> such as 6/8, 9/8, 6/4, etc. in contrast to simple meters such as 3/8, 3/4,
>>> etc.
>
> I just wanted to point out here that coumpond time signature is also another 
> well-established term that means something other than what was meant in the 
> doc.

I take that back. The subdivision in the standard meaning of compound meter can 
be extended as even or uneven.

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Re: GDP: \articulation and -\articulation




Graham Percival wrote:

That's not specific to articulations, though.  For example,
dynamics are (normally) always below notes, while slurs depend
on the stem direction.  I've added a note to mention that in NR
3.whatever.
  

Yes and no! There are two aspects that are specific to articulations:
- The default setting is different from articulation to articulation
 (i.e. it's not the same for all Script grobs).
- For some articulations, the default direction is relative to the
 stem direction.

  /Mats

Patrick: it's worth adding a pointer to scm/script.scm, though.
I'd do it in the same paragraph as the formula link to
"controlling direcition and posiitons".

Cheers,
- Graham

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:54:41 +0100
Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

There's one particular aspect of controlling directions that's
specific for articulations, namely that each separate articulation
has its own rule for the default direction. Some articulations, like
\fermata, are always above the
stave, some others like \marcato are always on the opposite direction 
compared
to the stem, and so on. (These default values are controlled by the 
settings of

direction or relative-direction in scm/script.scm).

/Mats

Graham Percival wrote:


These are both valid:
{
  c'2-\accent
  c'2\accent
}

Should we keep the - version in the docs at all?  Does it really add
anything (especially since most people use the plain \ version) ?

It might be good as an introduction to ^ and _, but OTOH we
can do ^ and _ with items that don't have any -, such as
ties ~.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-28 Thread Risto Vääräniemi

On 28/02/2008, till wrote:
> I just checked Felix Krohn again (well it is a bit outdated book but the
>  best I could find here in the library) and he calls it "oktaava" :

Thanks, Till, for checking this up. I asked my friend but he didn't
remember any special name for it - he plays piano and organs and that
kind of markings are probably not common in that kind on music.

>  Korkeimmalla sävelalueella käytetään 8va (oktaava) merkintää viivaston
>  yläpuolella...
>
>  I think we could just put it "oktaava merkintä".
>  Note that he does a distinction in this way between oktaavi (Octave) and
>  oktaava (Ocatvation ?). I guess the word is taken from the italian/latin
>  origin.

Did the book suggest using that as a common term for all octave
changes (8va, 8vb, 15...)? 8va is easily translated as oktaava and it
sounds pretty Finnish - 8vb and consecutively oktaavb on the other
hand... :-) If we choose to use that then I'd loose the space and
write it "oktaavamerkintä" (octava marking) or "oktaavamerkki" (octava
mark).

>  Greetings from Rovaniemi

The same from Oulu.

-Risto

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Re: GDP: \articulation and -\articulation

2008-02-28 Thread Graham Percival

That's not specific to articulations, though.  For example,
dynamics are (normally) always below notes, while slurs depend
on the stem direction.  I've added a note to mention that in NR
3.whatever.

Patrick: it's worth adding a pointer to scm/script.scm, though.
I'd do it in the same paragraph as the formula link to
"controlling direcition and posiitons".

Cheers,
- Graham

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:54:41 +0100
Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There's one particular aspect of controlling directions that's
> specific for articulations, namely that each separate articulation
> has its own rule for the default direction. Some articulations, like
> \fermata, are always above the
> stave, some others like \marcato are always on the opposite direction 
> compared
> to the stem, and so on. (These default values are controlled by the 
> settings of
> direction or relative-direction in scm/script.scm).
> 
> /Mats
> 
> Graham Percival wrote:
> > These are both valid:
> > {
> >   c'2-\accent
> >   c'2\accent
> > }
> >
> > Should we keep the - version in the docs at all?  Does it really add
> > anything (especially since most people use the plain \ version) ?
> >
> > It might be good as an introduction to ^ and _, but OTOH we
> > can do ^ and _ with items that don't have any -, such as
> > ties ~.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Graham
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Re: GDP glossary question: complex meters

> Wow ... and I don't have $295 in couch cushion change to spend (every year)
> on a subscription to Grove Music Online.  (You must get a discount

My school pays for it :p

> Wikipedia IS NOT an authoritative source ...
>
>> polymeter implies polyrhythm and therefore is
>> equivalent to your "simulatenous polymeter"
>> . That term should be out!

Ok I was being lazy. The Harvard dict 4th ed. defines

> Polymeter. The simultaneous use of two or more meters.

and there you have it. The term "sequential polymeter" is a contradiction.

> ... But -- this isn't about "authoritative", it's about having a small set
> of well-defined terms to which everything else can refer to eliminate
> ambiguity.  That's what "controlled vocabulary" means.

I understand. My point is that you do not want to contradict a set of 
well-established terms that trained musicians are familiar with, at least in 
the Western musical tradition (which I presume lilypond builds upon).

>> * compound time sig -- this is a well established term refering to meter
>> such as 6/8, 9/8, 6/4, etc. in contrast to simple meters such as 3/8, 3/4,
>> etc.

I just wanted to point out here that coumpond time signature is also another 
well-established term that means something other than what was meant in the doc.

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Re: GDP glossary question: complex meters

2008-02-28 Thread Graham Percival

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:03:01 -0800
Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 2008/02/28 6:12 PM, "Anh Hai Trinh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have never heard the term polymeter. It does not show up in Grove
> > Music Online (actually once but refering to poetic meter), not a
> > good sign!
> 
> Wow ... and I don't have $295 in couch cushion change to spend (every
> year) on a subscription to Grove Music Online.  (You must get a
> discount

Or an institutional subscription.  My university has one, although
I've never used it (and probably never will).  If there's anything
you want to check in it, just let me know.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: GDP glossary question: complex meters

2008-02-28 Thread Kurt Kroon

On 2008/02/28 6:12 PM, "Anh Hai Trinh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I have never heard the term polymeter. It does not show up in Grove Music
> Online (actually once but refering to poetic meter), not a good sign!

Wow ... and I don't have $295 in couch cushion change to spend (every year)
on a subscription to Grove Music Online.  (You must get a discount

In case you missed the last part of my response of 27 February (7:53 am),
I'll repeat it here:

"... I did NOT intend for this framework to be a straitjacket.  Folks who
specialize in the tals you mentioned in your last email on the subject will
continue to discuss them with *their* terms ... but when I ask them to
explain it to me (a non-Indian), they can say 'Oh, it's a regular sequential
polymeter that groups beats in groups of 3+2+ ... etc.'"

> And according to Wikipedia

Wikipedia IS NOT an authoritative source ...

> polymeter implies polyrhythm and therefore is
> equivalent to your "simulatenous polymeter"
> . That term should be out!

... But -- this isn't about "authoritative", it's about having a small set
of well-defined terms to which everything else can refer to eliminate
ambiguity.  That's what "controlled vocabulary" means.

(As for trying to be authoritative, I can't think of a better example than
the aforementioned "tals". It would be the height of arrogance if I presumed
that "sequential polymeter" was an adequate replacement for "tal".)

> The equivalent term to your "sequential polymeter" that I've heared and
> used is "changing meters" or "irregular meter".
> 
> * double time sig -- too ambigous whether it's simultaneous or sequential
> * compound time sig -- this is a well established term refering to meter
> such as 6/8, 9/8, 6/4, etc. in contrast to simple meters such as 3/8, 3/4,
> etc.
> * additive time sig -- could mean sth like (3 + 3 + 2)/8 or could mean
> irregular meters a la Messian
> * alternating time sig -- a special case of changing/irregular meter

And with a standard, *controlled* vocabulary, we can disambiguate each and
every one of these.

Oh ... and I said that I was only planning to delete one of the previously
existent terms as hopelessly vague ... I planned to keep the rest of them.

K

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Problems defining a BraceStaff

2008-02-28 Thread John Zaitseff

Dear LilyPond users,

I have searched the LilyPond documentation, lilypond-user mailing list 
archives and the LilyPond snippet repository---all without success...

The question is: how do I define a BraceStaff that is exactly like a 
ChoirStaff, except that braces are used instead of brackets at the start of 
systems?  In particular, I tried to define the following in my stylesheet 
(which gets included into all my documents):

  \layout {
  \context {
  \type "Engraver_group"
  \name "BraceStaff"
  \alias "ChoirStaff"

  \description
"Just like @code{ChoirStaff} but with a brace (SystemStartBrace)
 instead of a bracket (SystemStartBraclet) at the start of
 each system."

  \consists "System_start_delimiter_engraver"
  systemStartDelimiter = #'SystemStartBrace
  }
  }

  \midi {
  \context {
  \type "Performer_group"
  \name "BraceStaff"
  \alias "ChoirStaff"
  }
  }

When compiling a file with these lines, LilyPond 2.10.33 does not complain 
about the definitions, but it DOES complain that it cannot find them:

  warning: can't find or create new `BraceStaff'

I'm attaching a sample LilyPond document to illustrate this problem.  Any 
help is appreciated, as this little problem has already taken rather a lot 
of hours of my time... :-)

Yours truly,

John Zaitseff

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  v
%
%   %
%   How Deep the Father's Love For Us   %
%   %
%

% $Id: empty.ly 91 2007-08-24 11:59:14Z john $


\version "2.10.33"  % LilyPond language version

global =
{
\key e \major
\time 4/4

\autoBeamOff
}

mainChords =
\chordmode {
  e1 | fis1:m |
}

upperPianoNotes =
\relative c'' {
  e1 | fis1 |
}

upperPianoAltNotes =
\relative c'' {
  e,2 dis | fis1 |
}

lowerPianoNotes =
\relative c {
  e1 | fis1 |
}


% Generate the actual music score

\layout {
\context {
\type "Engraver_group"
\name "BraceStaff"
\alias "ChoirStaff"

\description
"Just like @code{ChoirStaff} but with a brace (SystemStartBrace)
 instead of a bracket (SystemStartBraclet) at the start of
 each system."

\consists "System_start_delimiter_engraver"
systemStartDelimiter = #'SystemStartBrace
}
}

\midi {
\context {
\type "Performer_group"
\name "BraceStaff"
\alias "ChoirStaff"
}
}

\score {
\new BraceStaff <<
%@@@\new ChoirStaff \with { systemStartDelimiter = #'SystemStartBrace } <<

\new ChordNames = "chords" <<
{ \global }
{ \mainChords }
>>

\new Staff = "upper" <<
\clef "treble"
\new Voice = "upperPiano" <<
{ \voiceOne \global }
{ \voiceOne \upperPianoNotes}
>>
\new Voice = "upperPianoAlt" <<
{ \voiceTwo \global }
{ \voiceTwo \upperPianoAltNotes }
>>
>>

\new Staff = "lower" <<
\clef "bass"
\new Voice = "lowerPiano" <<
{ \oneVoice \global }
{ \oneVoice \lowerPianoNotes}
>>
>>
>>

\layout {
}

\midi {
}
}
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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Kurt Kroon

On 2008/02/28 1:30 AM, "Mats Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kurt Kroon wrote:
>> \version "2.10.33"
>> #(define (compound-time grob one two three num)
>>   (interpret-markup
>>(ly:grob-layout grob)
>>'(((baseline-skip . 2)
>>   (word-space . 2)
>>   (font-family . number)))
>>(markup
>> #:line ( #:column (one) "+" #:column (two num) "+" #:column (three)
>>   
> Where did you get inspiration to this solution?

I found in the Tips and Tricks for the current stable version:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/input/test/lily-cd92ad8b64.ly

Then I:
* Added three to the compound-time define block (list?);
* Removed "#:lower 1" (which I correctly interpreted to mean "move this
markup down one staff space") because I wanted the + signs to be in the
numerator; and
* Took a chance that LilyPond wouldn't cough or die when it encountered the
missing "num" in the "denominators" (yes, I know they aren't true fractions,
but whatever) of the first and third time signatures.

Not only did Lily neither cough nor die, she didn't even blink -- 0 errors,
0 warnings.

> The examples I can find in
> LSR and the manual, all set stencil to #ly:text-interface::print and make
> an appropriate markup which they assign to the text property.
> I hope you have seen http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=192
> for example.

Had I known it existed, I probably wouldn't have looked elsewhere for
inspiration ... though I probably would have ground my teeth for all those
eights in the "denominators"

> Even though your solution is very elegant if you know
> what you're doing,

You're too kind -- but the credit belongs with the creator of the Tip that I
mangled ... err ... adapted to my purpose.

> I think the type of solution currently found in
> LSR and documentation may be easier to understand and also easier
> to generalize to other situations where you want to override the default
> layout of a grob.

Most likely, yes.

> 
> Try:
>   #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 3 8)
>   #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 5 8)
>   \set Staff.beatGrouping = #'(3 2 3)

Thank you, that worked like a charm!

> ...
> 
> On the other hand, don't hesitate in general to add new snippets in LSR,
> that's the whole point of LSR.

'Mmm-kay!

Kurt

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Re: GDP glossary question: complex meters

* additive time sig -- could mean sth like (3 + 3 + 2)/8 or could mean  
irregular meters a la Messian


That should be Messiaen, see  
.



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Re: GDP glossary question: complex meters

How can we normalize the terminology?  Here are my thoughts on the  
matter,

trying to distill this into a controlled lexicon --

* polymeter -- the most generic term
* sequential polymeter -- Ralph's definition
* regular
* irregular
* simultaneous polymeter -- Valentin's definition
* regular and irregular (theoretically)

And here's what happens to the list of terms above:

* polymetric time signature
Deleted: although it implies sequential polymeter, it has too many  
possible

interpretations to be useful.

* double time signature
* compound time signature
* additive time signatures
* alternating time signatures

Become "See also _sequential polymeter, regular_"

* mixed meter / mixed time signatures
Becomes "See also "sequential polymeter, irregular_"



I have never heard the term polymeter. It does not show up in Grove Music  
Online (actually once but refering to poetic meter), not a good sign! And  
according to Wikipedia, polymeter implies polyrhythm and therefore is  
equivalent to your "simulatenous polymeter"  
. That term should be out!


The equivalent term to your "sequential polymeter" that I've heared and  
used is "changing meters" or "irregular meter".


* double time sig -- too ambigous whether it's simultaneous or sequential
* compound time sig -- this is a well established term refering to meter  
such as 6/8, 9/8, 6/4, etc. in contrast to simple meters such as 3/8, 3/4,  
etc.
* additive time sig -- could mean sth like (3 + 3 + 2)/8 or could mean  
irregular meters a la Messian

* alternating time sig -- a special case of changing/irregular meter

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Re: boxed-stencil.ly from tips and tricks

2008-02-28 Thread Valentin Villenave

2008/2/28  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,

Hello Frank,

>  at the lilypond site "tips and tricks"
>
>  http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/input/test/out-www/collated-files.html
>
>  I found the example boxed-stencil.

Version 2.4?
You do realize that this example is like 6 years old, I hope :)

>  I need the F in a little box. But this example does not work at my
>  version of lilypond 2.10.33 Windows-Version.

Yes, this syntax is deprecated. If you want a syntax that works (and
that is more simple!), you may want to try something like:

\mark \markup{ \box F }

More infos on:
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=218
and
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Rehearsal-marks

Cheers,
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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Hans Aberg


On 28 Feb 2008, at 23:23, Joseph Wakeling wrote:


I was wondering more if it was possible for that to be a
generally-set preference, along the lines of "\set  
Staff.timeSignature
#'style = note" (that's pseudo code, obviously:-), and also how  
complex
the resulting note could be: for example, imagine a time  
signature along

the lines of (again, in pseudo-notation),

\time 3/(4.~ 4)

(Basically this is a rather complicated way of writing a 15/8 time
signature subdivided into 3 beats of 5 eighth notes.)



I don't understand this notation; please explain your idea.



The idea for what would _appear_ is a 3 over a dotted quarter note  
tied
to a quarter note (hence the notation, which as I said, is pseudo- 
code).

 That is, a 3 over a note lasting 5 eighths.

It's not something particularly urgent for me to be able to do, but
seems like a good example of a weird-but-logical use of the
number-over-note time signature notation.



OK. I see. Strictly speaking, the time signature is not a ratio, but  
a multiplication. Hindemith does not use a "/" even when writing time  
signatures in line.


In your example
  3 x (5/8)
where (5/8) here is the written duration taken 3 times.

The problem is really to handle subbeaming. Bartok used the time  
signature

  4   2   3
+   +
  8   8   8
or 9 = 4+2+3. But what is the relative strength of the metric  
accents? - The notation does not tell. In fact, this form of a 9-time  
is played in Romania, and assuming it, it should be:

 >  (>)  -
  9: 4   2   3
so a logical description might be 4+(2+3).

Then one might want to let this be communicated in the beaming. In  
9/16, the first 4 should be one group, and in the 2+3 should have one  
common first level beam, and the second level beam should be broken  
between the 2 and the 3. This will make it different from the  
Bulgarian Daychovo 9 = (2+2)+(2+3).


So then the association between metric description and beaming starts  
to become complicated.




We discussed this in the bug list - a typo in Snippets. YOu can see
there how it is possible to something in that way.

The problem is if one would want to fine tune it. For example, the
Bulgarian kopanitsa 11/16 may be described as 4+3+4 where 4 = 2+2. So
one may want to typeset the 4 as one group or one group where the
secondary beams are grouped as 2+2. Then it is difficult to get the
stems in say a 1+1+2 pattern to come out right.



Have you got a link to this discussion?  It sounds interesting.  I'd
like to understand more of what has been discussed before  
commenting on

the problem you raise.



All mailing lists and archives are listed on
  http://lilypond.org/web/about/
The thread I started is on
  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2008-02/msg00242.html
which gives a reference to the Snippets manual. Follow the thread; it  
is interesting. In my last post, I give s more complicated example:

  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2008-02/msg00242.html

  Hans Åberg




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pedal bracket too short

Dear Lilypond-users,
I don't know why, but in the below quoted example is the pedal bracket
shorter than expected. I find it strange, that it works fine with
text-stylle pedal.
How can I solve the problem?


re = \change Staff = rechts
li = \change Staff = links
standardped = { \override Staff.PianoPedalBracket #'style = #'bracket \set
Staff.pedalSustainStyle = #'mixed }

rechts = \relative c { \repeat "unfold" 2 {
\clef bass r2 r4 r8 s8 e16~ e2... }}
links = \relative c, {\clef bass r2 r4 r8 \standardped
\context Voice = "A"<< { \times 4/5 {< ais! ais'! >32\p\< ( cis! \re f
a! c\! ) }|
 \li R1} {s8 \sustainDown s16 s2... \sustainUp } >>
 \clef bass r2 r4 r8 \set Staff.pedalSustainStyle = #'text
\context Voice = "A"<< { \times 4/5 {< ais,! ais'! >32\p\< ( cis! \re f
a! c\! ) }|
 \li R1} {s8 \sustainDown s16 s2... \sustainUp } >>
 }

 \score {
 \new PianoStaff
<< \new Staff = "rechts" \rechts
 \new Staff = "links" \links >>
 }
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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Joseph Wakeling

Hans Aberg wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:32, Joseph Wakeling wrote:
> 
>> I was wondering more if it was possible for that to be a
>> generally-set preference, along the lines of "\set Staff.timeSignature
>> #'style = note" (that's pseudo code, obviously:-), and also how complex
>> the resulting note could be: for example, imagine a time signature along
>> the lines of (again, in pseudo-notation),
>>
>> \time 3/(4.~ 4)
>>
>> (Basically this is a rather complicated way of writing a 15/8 time
>> signature subdivided into 3 beats of 5 eighth notes.)
> 
> I don't understand this notation; please explain your idea.

The idea for what would _appear_ is a 3 over a dotted quarter note tied
to a quarter note (hence the notation, which as I said, is pseudo-code).
 That is, a 3 over a note lasting 5 eighths.

It's not something particularly urgent for me to be able to do, but
seems like a good example of a weird-but-logical use of the
number-over-note time signature notation.

>> I don't see any reason _in principle_ why it should be impossible to
>> deal with such a time signature, as after all Lilypond is already
>> perfectly capable of dealing with weird-but-logical time signatures like
>> 7/10.
> 
> We discussed this in the bug list - a typo in Snippets. YOu can see
> there how it is possible to something in that way.
> 
> The problem is if one would want to fine tune it. For example, the
> Bulgarian kopanitsa 11/16 may be described as 4+3+4 where 4 = 2+2. So
> one may want to typeset the 4 as one group or one group where the
> secondary beams are grouped as 2+2. Then it is difficult to get the
> stems in say a 1+1+2 pattern to come out right.

Have you got a link to this discussion?  It sounds interesting.  I'd
like to understand more of what has been discussed before commenting on
the problem you raise.


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Re: slurs

2008-02-28 Thread Bertalan Fodor

There is also Stewart Holmes' Bezier Tool for visually creating slurs 
like this. It will be in the next release of LilyPondTool. Unfortunately 
I don't have a copy from this tool and the original has disappeared from 
Stewart's site. I CC Stewart if he can put it on again. I hope his email 
is still valid.


Bert


Kieren MacMillan írta:

Hi James,


I'm wondering how difficult it will be to have a slur change direction.


See


HTH,
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Re: again: funktionsbezeichnungen

Dear Mats,
sorry, I've forgotten this!

2008/2/28, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I have already answered that, last time you sent a similar question
> to the mailing list, see
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-12/msg00195.html
>
>/Mats
>
>
> Stefan Thomas wrote:
> > Dear Marc, dear Mats,
> > thanks for Your advices. They both worked well. I tried:
> >
> > \version "2.11.38"
> > verkuerzter =  \markup { D \hspace #-2.5 /
> > \sub 5  \super 7   }
> > \new Staff \relative {c1_\verkuerzter }
> >
> > But how can I change the horizontal position of the number "7"?
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Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-28 Thread Eyolf Østrem

On 27.02.2008 (11:37), Anh Hai Trinh wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Kieren MacMillan 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eyolf,
>>
>>> Or one might turn the argument around and say that the melody is indeed
>>> trans-posed -- placed somewhere else, whereas the negative associations
>>> of dis- is that it's ended up in the wrong place...
>>
>> Interesting point...
>>
>> Really, what we're talking about is a NOTATIONAL SHORTHAND: the notes in 
>> question aren't actually TRANSPOSED or DISPLACED, just like notes in a 
>> "treble_8" clef are neither TRANSPOSED nor DISPLACED: they are simply 
>> NOTATED using a different (shorthand) method.
>
>
> I think you are mistaken here, a concert A written in any clef would sound 
> with f = 440Hz, whereas a written concert A with a 8va bracket would sound 
> with f = 880Hz. Anything sounding at a different interval than what is 
> notated is called transposition in orchestration books. I believe the 
> correct term, if there need be one, would be "octave transposition".

That's what I'd suggest too -- I failed to say so explicitly, but that was
what I had in mind. 

So: +1 for "octave transposition"

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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Hans Aberg


On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:32, Joseph Wakeling wrote:


I was wondering more if it was possible for that to be a
generally-set preference, along the lines of "\set Staff.timeSignature
#'style = note" (that's pseudo code, obviously:-), and also how  
complex
the resulting note could be: for example, imagine a time signature  
along

the lines of (again, in pseudo-notation),

\time 3/(4.~ 4)

(Basically this is a rather complicated way of writing a 15/8 time
signature subdivided into 3 beats of 5 eighth notes.)


I don't understand this notation; please explain your idea.


I don't see any reason _in principle_ why it should be impossible to
deal with such a time signature, as after all Lilypond is already
perfectly capable of dealing with weird-but-logical time signatures  
like

7/10.


We discussed this in the bug list - a typo in Snippets. YOu can see  
there how it is possible to something in that way.


The problem is if one would want to fine tune it. For example, the  
Bulgarian kopanitsa 11/16 may be described as 4+3+4 where 4 = 2+2. So  
one may want to typeset the 4 as one group or one group where the  
secondary beams are grouped as 2+2. Then it is difficult to get the  
stems in say a 1+1+2 pattern to come out right.


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Re: slurs

2008-02-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan


Hi James,

I'm wondering how difficult it will be to have a slur change  
direction.


See


HTH,
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Re: Comments in GDP, Was: comments

2008-02-28 Thread Graham Percival

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:19:04 +0100
"James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 28.02.2008, at 11:07, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> > Did you search for "Comment" in the index of the Tutorial?
> >
> > However, you are right that it seems to be missing in the NR,
> > where it also should be included for completeness.

I've added a FIXME for NR 3.

> Learning manual. Gotcha. Just out of curiosity, why are these split  
> up?

Search the mailist archives.

> For example, what is the difference between a "user manual" and a  
> "learning manual"?

We're not using the term "user manual", but obviously I didn't
change it somewhere.  It shoudl be "Notation Reference" everywhere,
which gives a much better hint about its purpose.

Cheers,
- Graham


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boxed-stencil.ly from tips and tricks

2008-02-28 Thread Frank . Weichert

Hi,

at the lilypond site "tips and tricks" 

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/input/test/out-www/collated-files.html

I found the example boxed-stencil.

I need the F in a little box. But this example does not work at my
version of lilypond 2.10.33 Windows-Version.

This happens during compilation:

Analysieren...
D:/Noten/Celebration/kasten.ly:4:1: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen
Fehler fÃ¼r den hier beginnenden Ausdruck
#
 (set! toplevel-score-handler ly:parser-print-score)
D:/Noten/Celebration/kasten.ly:22:0: Fehler: UngÃ¼ltige Fluchtsequenz:
Â»\renameinputÂ«
\renameinput "boxed-stencil.ly"
D:/Noten/Celebration/kasten.ly:22:30: Fehler: syntax error, unexpected
STRING, expecting '='
\renameinput "boxed-stencil.ly
  "
Fehler: Falsche lilypond-Version: 2.4.0 (2.7.38, 2.10.33)
Fehler: ErwÃ¤gen Sie die Aktualisierung der Eingabe mit dem Skript
convert-ly
D:/Noten/Celebration/kasten.ly:35:4: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen
Fehler fÃ¼r den hier beginnenden Ausdruck
   #
(make-stencil-boxer 0.1 0.3 0.2 Text_interface::print)
D:/Noten/Celebration/kasten.ly:40:4: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen
Fehler fÃ¼r den hier beginnenden Ausdruck
   #
(make-stencil-boxer 0.05 0.25 0.25 Stem::print)
D:/Noten/Celebration/kasten.ly:43:4: Fehler: GUILE signalisierte einen
Fehler fÃ¼r den hier beginnenden Ausdruck
   #
(make-stencil-boxer 0.15 0.3 0.3 Text_interface::print)
Interpretation der Musik...
Warnung: Eigenschafts-TypprÃ¼fung fÃ¼r Â»print-functionÂ«
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein Tippfehler?
Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgefÃ¼hrt
Warnung: Eigenschafts-TypprÃ¼fung fÃ¼r Â»print-functionÂ«
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein Tippfehler?
Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgefÃ¼hrt
Warnung: Eigenschafts-TypprÃ¼fung fÃ¼r Â»print-functionÂ«
(backend-type?) kann nicht gefunden werden.  vielleicht ein Tippfehler?
Warnung: Zuweisung wird trotzdem durchgefÃ¼hrt
[2]
Vorverarbeitung der grafischen Elemente...
Layout nach Â»kasten.psÂ« ausgeben...
Konvertierung nach Â»kasten.pdfÂ«...
Fehler: gescheiterte Dateien: "D:\\Noten\\Celebration\\kasten.ly"
Unbound variable: ly:parser-print-score
Wrong number of arguments to #
Wrong number of arguments to #
Wrong number of arguments to #
Processing time: 8 seconds

LilyPond ready.

May be the author of this example is on this list and can help...

Regards, Frank


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slurs

2008-02-28 Thread James E. Bailey


I'm wondering how difficult it will be to have a slur change direction.
I can get http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?1a4ef0a831.jpg in  
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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Joseph Wakeling

Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> Search for "time signature note" in the mailing list archives, and you will
> find, for example
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-04/msg00123.html

That's cool.  I was wondering more if it was possible for that to be a
generally-set preference, along the lines of "\set Staff.timeSignature
#'style = note" (that's pseudo code, obviously:-), and also how complex
the resulting note could be: for example, imagine a time signature along
the lines of (again, in pseudo-notation),

\time 3/(4.~ 4)

(Basically this is a rather complicated way of writing a 15/8 time
signature subdivided into 3 beats of 5 eighth notes.)

I don't see any reason _in principle_ why it should be impossible to
deal with such a time signature, as after all Lilypond is already
perfectly capable of dealing with weird-but-logical time signatures like
7/10.

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RE: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-28 Thread Trevor Daniels


Hi Rune

In the LM you can find this topic discussed in some detail
in Section 4.4 Placement of objects, SubSection 4.4.3
Outside staff objects.  Let me know if this would have
helped (or not).

Trevor D

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> Subject: Re: Text script below spanner?
>
>
> Mats Bengtsson skrev:
> > See section "Vertical collision avoidance" in
> the 2.11 manual.
>
> Ah thanks!
> Perhaps we should think about a better name for
> that section.
> The title is correct - it describes how lilypond
> internally avoids
> vertical collisions. But when you do not see a
> collision on your score
> then you do not read a section about avoiding collisions.
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RE: Fingering inside staff

2008-02-28 Thread Trevor Daniels


Francisco

There is also quite a large section on fingering in the
Learning Manual in Section 4.4.2 Within-staff objects which
may help you.  See
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-le
arning/Within_002dstaff-objects#Within_002dstaff-objects

Trevor D

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: 27 February 2008 22:37
> To: Francisco Vila
> Cc: lilypond-user
> Subject: Re: Fingering inside staff
>
>
> Please read the section on fingering again, especially
> the part on fingeringOrientations. Note that these only
> work when the notes are part of a chord. If you want it
> to happen on a single note, you therefore have to make
> it a single note chord, such as 8
>
>/Mats
>
> Francisco Vila wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >Is it possible to place fingerings inside the
> staff (or outside, but
> >just next to the notehead), and at a maximum
> distance of the notehead
> >of, say, two staff spaces?
> >
> >I would like to set this voice-wide, not for a
> single fingering.
> >
> >Thank you,
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RE: shifting whole measure rest

2008-02-28 Thread Trevor Daniels


It's also given as an example in the Learning Manual,
section 4.5.2 Fixing overlapping notation.

See
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-le
arning/Fixing-overlapping-notation#Fixing-overlapping-notati
on

Trevor D

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> To: David Bobroff
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: shifting whole measure rest
>
>
> See
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/20
> 08-02/msg00673.html
>
>/Mats
>
> David Bobroff wrote:
> > I want to shift a full measure rest downwards
> below the staff.  This
> > is to keep it from overlapping cue notes in the
> staff.  I *can* use
> > #'extra-offset to move it but it doesn't have a
> ledger line above it
> > to indicate that it is a "whole" rest.  It's
> just a floating box.  How
> > can I get a centered whole measure rest below the staff?
> >
> > -David
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Re: shifting whole measure rest


See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-02/msg00673.html

  /Mats

David Bobroff wrote:
I want to shift a full measure rest downwards below the staff.  This 
is to keep it from overlapping cue notes in the staff.  I *can* use 
#'extra-offset to move it but it doesn't have a ledger line above it 
to indicate that it is a "whole" rest.  It's just a floating box.  How 
can I get a centered whole measure rest below the staff?


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Re: shifting whole measure rest

2008-02-28 Thread Wilbert Berendsen

Op donderdag 28 februari 2008, schreef David Bobroff:
> I want to shift a full measure rest downwards below the staff.  This is
> to keep it from overlapping cue notes in the staff.  I *can* use
> #'extra-offset to move it but it doesn't have a ledger line above it to
> indicate that it is a "whole" rest.  It's just a floating box.  How can
> I get a centered whole measure rest below the staff?

\once \override MultiMeasureRest #'staff-position = #1

for 1 substitute staff line you want.

See
http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user%40gnu.org/msg31550.html

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Re: Additive time signatures


Search for "time signature note" in the mailing list archives, and you will
find, for example
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-04/msg00123.html

  /Mats

Joseph Wakeling wrote:

Kurt Kroon wrote:
  

(I'm not sure if one can extend this last one in LilyPond to more complex
examples, like when the numerator is an additive expression, and the
denominator is a single digit, e.g. (3+2+3)/8.)
  

I was mistaken ... it *is* possible to extend the syntax (which seems
completely reasonable, in retrospect).  I've borrowed (and stretched) the
compound-time-signature snippet as follows:



Is it possible to express time signatures so that the denominator is an
(arbitrary) _note_, as used in e.g. Orff and other contemporary
composers?  e.g. 3/8 displaying as a 3 over an eighth-note/quaver.



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Re: GDP: NR 1.1 comment

2008-02-28 Thread till




Mats Bengtsson-4 wrote:
> 
> Right! GrandStaff contexts are often used in orchestral scores, for 
> example, to
> group a number of staves together, such as the string parts. In 
> LilyPond, the
> GrandStaff and PianoStaff contexts appear in the same way in the context
> hierarchy.
> We discussed more or less the same issue back in November, see
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-12/msg00150.html
> _
>
> 
> 

Ok, I have come now to the following conclusion after checking back with
Gardner Read:

-PianoStaff should be used to write piano music. It is also easy to apply
the instrument name here, because the instrument_engraver is already
included.

-In most other cases the "bow-shaped brace" (Read) is used to indicate that
the systems
a) belong to one instrument (Harp, Organ is special here)
b) are really close related to each other like two first violins, trombones,
Horns etc on two systems. 
According to b) the brace is used if the same instrument (but more than one
player) is used multiply. 

But again: if the parts of the same instruments are quite autonomous, a
bracket is used instead.

For the a) and b) cases, the GrandStaff should be used, but in fact I think
it is dispensable because it doesn't have the instrument_engraver. Otherwise
I like the naming, because it would seem strange to use a PianoStaff to
notate trumpets. Can somebody recall if the PianoStaff was only introduced
because of the fixed spacing issue in 2.10?
I would propose either to

-insert the instrument_engraver per default in the GrandStaff or

-remove the PianoStaff and insert the instrument_engraver in the GrandStaff.

Is this possible?

Greetings
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shifting whole measure rest

2008-02-28 Thread David Bobroff

I want to shift a full measure rest downwards below the staff.  This is 
to keep it from overlapping cue notes in the staff.  I *can* use 
#'extra-offset to move it but it doesn't have a ledger line above it to 
indicate that it is a "whole" rest.  It's just a floating box.  How can 
I get a centered whole measure rest below the staff?


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Re: again: funktionsbezeichnungen


I have already answered that, last time you sent a similar question
to the mailing list, see 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-12/msg00195.html


  /Mats

Stefan Thomas wrote:

Dear Marc, dear Mats,
thanks for Your advices. They both worked well. I tried:

\version "2.11.38"
verkuerzter =  \markup { D \hspace #-2.5 /
\sub 5  \super 7   }
\new Staff \relative {c1_\verkuerzter }

But how can I change the horizontal position of the number "7"?





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Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-28 Thread till




Risto Vääräniemi-2 wrote:
> 
> On 28/02/2008, Kurt Kroon wrote:
>>  Finnish:
>> Risto, you out there? I don't think anyone else can handle Finnish
>> 
> 
> Present!
> 
> I've been following the conversation with interest but I haven't used
> ottava brackets myself (I mostly write only vocal music *) so I don't
> know if they have a name in Finnish. I asked a friend of mine about
> this but I haven't yet got an answer. I'll  try to squeeze an answer
> from him or at least find out if he's got any clue.
> 
> *) I have noticed that there is some sort of an "octavation" present
> in vocal/choir music, too. If a female sings a note a male picking up
> the same note usually sings it an octave lower and vice versa. :-)
> 
> -Risto
> 
> 

I just checked Felix Krohn again (well it is a bit outdated book but the
best I could find here in the library) and he calls it "oktaava" : 

Korkeimmalla sävelalueella käytetään 8va (oktaava) merkintää viivaston
yläpuolella...

I think we could just put it "oktaava merkintä".
Note that he does a distinction in this way between oktaavi (Octave) and
oktaava (Ocatvation ?). I guess the word is taken from the italian/latin
origin.

Greetings from Rovaniemi
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re: again: funktionsbezeichnungen

Dear Marc, dear Mats,
thanks for Your advices. They both worked well. I tried:

\version "2.11.38"
verkuerzter =  \markup { D \hspace #-2.5 /
\sub 5  \super 7   }
\new Staff \relative {c1_\verkuerzter }

But how can I change the horizontal position of the number "7"?
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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Joseph Wakeling

Kurt Kroon wrote:
>> (I'm not sure if one can extend this last one in LilyPond to more complex
>> examples, like when the numerator is an additive expression, and the
>> denominator is a single digit, e.g. (3+2+3)/8.)
> 
> I was mistaken ... it *is* possible to extend the syntax (which seems
> completely reasonable, in retrospect).  I've borrowed (and stretched) the
> compound-time-signature snippet as follows:

Is it possible to express time signatures so that the denominator is an
(arbitrary) _note_, as used in e.g. Orff and other contemporary
composers?  e.g. 3/8 displaying as a 3 over an eighth-note/quaver.



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Re: Additive time signatures

2008-02-28 Thread Valentin Villenave

2008/2/28 Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  Try:
>   #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 3 8)
>   #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 5 8)
>   \set Staff.beatGrouping = #'(3 2 3)

LOL -- I hadn't seen your answer, Mats, sorry.

>  On the other hand, don't hesitate in general to add new snippets in LSR,
>  that's the whole point of LSR.

Yes, definitely; feel free to add snippets and suggestions; then the
LSR editor (namely myself) will handle it :)

Cheers,
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Re: Additive time signatures (was: GDP ... complex meters)

2008-02-28 Thread Valentin Villenave

2008/2/28 Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  I was mistaken ... it *is* possible to extend the syntax (which seems
>  completely reasonable, in retrospect).  I've borrowed (and stretched) the
>  compound-time-signature snippet as follows:

Yes, everything is possible :)

>  It isn't quite right -- the measure grouping should be 3+2+3, not 3+3+2,
>  which I attribute to my perfunctory reading of the section on overriding the
>  auto-beam setting -- but I'm positively gobsmacked at how close it is.  If I
>  manually beamed what I wanted (instead of trying to have LilyPond do it for
>  me), Lily would do it exactly as I expected it.

You should add an additional beaming rule:
#(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 5 8)

Plus, as mentioned on http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=259 you'd
better use the #(set-time-signature x x '(x x)) syntax instead of
\time.

>  Does this qualify to be added to the compound-time snippet?
>  And if so, am I the one who's supposed to add it?

You're welcome, the LSR is made for everyone :)
However, perhaps you may want to expand only one of the two snippets
on http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Search?q=measure+grouping and tell me
to delete the other one. That's up to you.

Cheers,
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Re: again: funktionsbezeichnung

Here's an alternative solution that defines a markup command to add the 
slash

to any character.

\version "2.10.0"
% Inspired by slashed-digit from scm/define-markup.scm:
#(define-markup-command (slashed-char layout props ch) (char?)
 "A character, with slash."
 (let*
 ((mag (magstep (chain-assoc-get 'font-size props 0)))
  (thickness
   (* mag
  (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'line-thickness)
  (chain-assoc-get 'thickness props 1.6)))
  (char-stencil (interpret-markup layout props ch))
  (num-x (interval-widen (ly:stencil-extent char-stencil X)
 (* mag 0.1)))
  (num-y (ly:stencil-extent char-stencil Y))
  (is-sane (and (interval-sane? num-x) (interval-sane? num-y)))
 
  (slash-stencil

   (if is-sane
   (ly:make-stencil
`(draw-line
  ,thickness
  ,(car num-x) ,(car num-y)
  ,(cdr num-x) ,(cdr num-y))
num-x num-y)
   #f)))
   (ly:stencil-add char-stencil slash-stencil)))


\relative c'{ < b d f >1^\markup {  \slashed-char #"D" \super 7 } }


   /Mats

Marc Hohl wrote:

On Thursday 28 February 2008 10:20:30 Stefan Thomas wrote:
  

Dear lilypond-users,
is it possible, to build the "funktionsbezeichnung"? I mean the slashed
letter D7. It is the (bit strange but  common ) symbol for the diminished
chord in germany's harmony classes.
Thanks for any advice.
Stefan



Hi Stefan,

I tried

< h d f >1^\markup { D \hspace #-2.5 / \super 7 }

You can adapt the negative horizontal space between the letter D and the 
slash.


Marc 

  


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Re: Comments in GDP, Was: comments

2008-02-28 Thread James E. Bailey

On 28.02.2008, at 11:07, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

Did you search for "Comment" in the index of the Tutorial?

However, you are right that it seems to be missing in the NR,
where it also should be included for completeness.

/Mats

James E. Bailey wrote:
Maybe I'm still sleepy (it's early), but I'm not finding the
section on comments in the new documentation. Specifically,
something that deals with

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Working-on-text-files#Working-on-text-files
but in the documentation for 2.11. I realise is hasn't changed, but
since I only ever download the current docs, it's just slightly
more of a hassle to have to go to the website for it. (I just did a
search for the word "comment" both in the pdf I downloaded and the
"all in one big page" version of the 2.11 documentation).

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Learning manual. Gotcha. Just out of curiosity, why are these split
up? It took a while for me to figure out which of the various manuals
had the information I usually need, but it seems to me that in
separating out different sections from what was "everything about
lilypond" there are various manuals that deal with specific topics
but, and I realise this is a goal of the GDP, the titles don't always
communicate the contents of the manual to me.

For example, what is the difference between a "user manual" and a
"learning manual"? Naturally and user would need to learn how to use
the program, so I would assume that the two would be one and the same.
To the same end, "program usage" and "user manual", to my brain, would
both tell the user how to use the program. While I appreciate the
completeness of the new documentation, having to search three
different manuals, while the older documentation keeps everything in
one place, makes life a bit difficult, especially for someone who only
pulls out lilypond to engrave a score every couple of weeks. I don't
really use the program on a daily basis except when I have a project
due.

Sorry, just some thoughts while I was writing the email. Learning
manual. I'll download that now.

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Comments in GDP, Was: comments


Did you search for "Comment" in the index of the Tutorial?

However, you are right that it seems to be missing in the NR,
where it also should be included for completeness.

  /Mats

James E. Bailey wrote:
Maybe I'm still sleepy (it's early), but I'm not finding the section 
on comments in the new documentation. Specifically, something that 
deals with
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Working-on-text-files#Working-on-text-files 

but in the documentation for 2.11. I realise is hasn't changed, but 
since I only ever download the current docs, it's just slightly more 
of a hassle to have to go to the website for it. (I just did a search 
for the word "comment" both in the pdf I downloaded and the "all in 
one big page" version of the 2.11 documentation).



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Re: comments

2008-02-28 Thread Simon Bailey


hi james,

On Feb 28, 2008, at 10:58 AM, James E. Bailey wrote:
Maybe I'm still sleepy (it's early), but I'm not finding the section  
on comments in the new documentation. Specifically, something that  
deals with

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Working-on-text-files#Working-on-text-files
but in the documentation for 2.11. I realise is hasn't changed, but  
since I only ever download the current docs, it's just slightly more  
of a hassle to have to go to the website for it. (I just did a  
search for the word "comment" both in the pdf I downloaded and the  
"all in one big page" version of the 2.11 documentation).


http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Working-on-text-files#index-line-comment-60

it's there. (google was my friend)

regards,
sb


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Re: Scheme variables and chordmode

Unfortunately, there are some limitations on what you can do, 
syntactically,

within a #{ ... #} construct and you have hit upon one of these limitations.
If you read section "Building complicated functions" in the manual, you will
see how to handle such cases using pure Scheme constructs.


   /Mats

Timothy S. Nelson wrote:

Hi all.  I'm a programmer, but a scheme beginner.  I'm using the
following code.



dostroke = #(define-music-function (parser location chord length) 
(ly:music? num

ber?)
#{
\chordmode { e,$length:5.8 }
#}
)



I presume you can all see what I'm trying to achieve here.  
However, I

can't get it to work, because it says "Parsing...ERROR: Unbound variable:
length:5.8".  The other variations I've tried all also give errors.  
Is there some way I can do this using chordmode, or do I have to do it 
the long way?


Thanks,


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BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK
Version 3.12
GCS d+++ s+: a- C++$ U+++$ P+++$ L+++ E- W+ N+ w--- V- PE(+) Y+>++ 
PGP->+++ R(+) !tv b++ DI D G+ e++> h! y-

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comments

2008-02-28 Thread James E. Bailey

Maybe I'm still sleepy (it's early), but I'm not finding the section  
on comments in the new documentation. Specifically, something that  
deals with

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Working-on-text-files#Working-on-text-files
but in the documentation for 2.11. I realise is hasn't changed, but  
since I only ever download the current docs, it's just slightly more  
of a hassle to have to go to the website for it. (I just did a search  
for the word "comment" both in the pdf I downloaded and the "all in  
one big page" version of the 2.11 documentation).



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Re: GDP: NR 1.1 comment

Right! GrandStaff contexts are often used in orchestral scores, for 
example, to
group a number of staves together, such as the string parts. In 
LilyPond, the

GrandStaff and PianoStaff contexts appear in the same way in the context
hierarchy.
We discussed more or less the same issue back in November, see
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-12/msg00150.html

  /Mats

David Fedoruk wrote:

Piano music is not the only place to use a GrandStaff is it? Is not a
full orchestral score written on a Grand Staff? And the full score of
a String Quartet is it not also a Grand Staff?

I am not 100% sure I'm right here either. I thought that GrandStaff
meant more than one staves bound together because they made up a
greater whole.

In Lilypond I thought that PianoStaff was  inside the GrandStaff
hierarchy as child of the GrandStaff the way GrandStaff is of \score.

As i say, I'm not sure that I'm exactly correct here, but if I am then
GrandStaff still has uses aside from the far more specific case of
PianoStaff.

Cheers
David

 >> I just noticed that the staff contexts of the examples in 1.1.3.5 are
 >> PianoStaff. In 1.6 there is only mentioned GrandStaff. Which one is
 >> the preferred one to be used? I would mention both in 1.6, but I
 >> think we should develop guidelines which context names to use. Maybe
 >> the PianoStaff is (at least to others than English native speakers)
 >> more understandable? So the context would be called PianoStaff in
 >> 1.6.1 but I would also mention that there is a GrandStaff context?
 >> So far I have understood that they are both equal. Is this true?
 >>
 > In version 2.11, the only difference between the two is that
 > PianoStaff contains the instrument name engraver. In version 2.10
 > and earlier, there were more differences. The PianoStaff then produced
 > a fixed distance between the staves, since the cross-staff
 > slurs and beams didn't work otherwise. This limitation has been fixed
 > in 2.11.
 Ok, good to know. So PianoStaff should maybe be the default, so nobody
 will be wondering why the instrument name won't show up...
 What for is the GrandStaff then?

 Till

 >   /Mats

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Re: Additive time signatures




Kurt Kroon wrote:

(I'm not sure if one can extend this last one in LilyPond to more complex
examples, like when the numerator is an additive expression, and the
denominator is a single digit, e.g. (3+2+3)/8.)



I was mistaken ... it *is* possible to extend the syntax (which seems
completely reasonable, in retrospect).  I've borrowed (and stretched) the
compound-time-signature snippet as follows:

\version "2.10.33"
#(define (compound-time grob one two three num)
  (interpret-markup
   (ly:grob-layout grob)
   '(((baseline-skip . 2)
  (word-space . 2)
  (font-family . number)))
   (markup
#:line ( #:column (one) "+" #:column (two num) "+" #:column (three)
  

Where did you get inspiration to this solution? The examples I can find in
LSR and the manual, all set stencil to #ly:text-interface::print and make
an appropriate markup which they assign to the text property.
I hope you have seen http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=192
for example. Even though your solution is very elegant if you know
what you're doing, I think the type of solution currently found in
LSR and documentation may be easier to understand and also easier
to generalize to other situations where you want to override the default
layout of a grob.


\relative {
  %% compound time signature hack
  \time 8/8
  \override Staff.TimeSignature  #'stencil
  = #(lambda (grob) (compound-time grob "3" "2" "3" "8"))
  #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 3 8)
  c8 c c f f d d bes g c c f d c f e
}

\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\consists "Measure_grouping_engraver"
}
}

It isn't quite right -- the measure grouping should be 3+2+3, not 3+3+2,
which I attribute to my perfunctory reading of the section on overriding the
auto-beam setting -- but I'm positively gobsmacked at how close it is.  If I
manually beamed what I wanted (instead of trying to have LilyPond do it for
me), Lily would do it exactly as I expected it.
  

Try:
 #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 3 8)
 #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 8 8) 5 8)
 \set Staff.beatGrouping = #'(3 2 3)


Does this qualify to be added to the compound-time snippet?
And if so, am I the one who's supposed to add it?
  


I think it's a good general idea to let each snippet illustrate one main 
concept
and that the overall approach is easier to grasp from the current 
compound-time
snippet. Since you already have snippets 261 and 192 in LSR, I'm not 
sure about
the added value of your example (possibly you might want to add 
auto-beam and

beatGrouping settings in 192).

On the other hand, don't hesitate in general to add new snippets in LSR,
that's the whole point of LSR.

   /Mats


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Re: again: funktionsbezeichnung

2008-02-28 Thread Marc Hohl

On Thursday 28 February 2008 10:20:30 Stefan Thomas wrote:
> Dear lilypond-users,
> is it possible, to build the "funktionsbezeichnung"? I mean the slashed
> letter D7. It is the (bit strange but  common ) symbol for the diminished
> chord in germany's harmony classes.
> Thanks for any advice.
> Stefan

Hi Stefan,

I tried

< h d f >1^\markup { D \hspace #-2.5 / \super 7 }

You can adapt the negative horizontal space between the letter D and the 
slash.

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again: funktionsbezeichnung

Dear lilypond-users,
is it possible, to build the "funktionsbezeichnung"? I mean the slashed
letter D7. It is the (bit strange but  common ) symbol for the diminished
chord in germany's harmony classes.
Thanks for any advice.
Stefan
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Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-28 Thread Risto Vääräniemi

On 28/02/2008, Kurt Kroon wrote:
>  Finnish:
> Risto, you out there? I don't think anyone else can handle Finnish 

Present!

I've been following the conversation with interest but I haven't used
ottava brackets myself (I mostly write only vocal music *) so I don't
know if they have a name in Finnish. I asked a friend of mine about
this but I haven't yet got an answer. I'll  try to squeeze an answer
from him or at least find out if he's got any clue.

*) I have noticed that there is some sort of an "octavation" present
in vocal/choir music, too. If a female sings a note a male picking up
the same note usually sings it an octave lower and vice versa. :-)

-Risto

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Re: Midi problem