Re: Three questions about good German usage?

2008-03-01 Thread Thomas Scharkowski

Duden - Die neue deutsche Rechtschreibung:

Flageolettton

three t!

;-)

Thomas


  1. Are natürlichen Flageolettönen and künstlichen Flageolettönen
  the correct terms for natural and artificial harmonics?

 Plural with article:

   1. Fall: die natürlichen/künstlichen Flageolettöne
   2. Fall: der natürlichen/künstlichen Flageolettöne
   3. Fall: den natürlichen/künstlichen Flageolettönen
   4. Fall: die natürlichen/künstlichen Flageolettöne

 Plural without article:

   1. Fall: natürliche/künstliche Flageolettöne
   2. Fall: natürlicher/künstlicher Flagoelettöne
   3. Fall: natürlichen/künstlichen Flageolettönen
   4. Fall: natürliche/künstliche Flageolettöne

  2. Is there a German term to describe the stopped note in an
 artificial harmonic? (In Italian we would say capotasto ...

 I've never heard one.  Probably I would call it `der Basiston des
 Flegeolets'.

  3. How does German translate the interval of a twelth? Say  c' g''
  ? Duodezime?

 Yes.  `Duodezime' or `Duodezim'.


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Snippet/template how to use lilypond-book with xelatex

2008-03-01 Thread Till Rettig

Hi,
I was writing about this already some time ago, now I prepared a small 
file that demonstrates how to use xelatex (and its advanced font 
selection features) whith lilypond-book. This is only a workaround since 
it pretends to lilypond-book to use pdflatex instead. But something like 
this could be nice in the template section of the LM. I only cannot add 
it myself to lsr, because it is not a lilypond snippet.

How are the lilypond-book templates handled, are they added also from lsr?

Greetings
Till

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{ifxetex}
\ifxetex
%xetex specific stuff
\usepackage{xunicode,fontspec,xltxtra}
\setmainfont[Numbers=OldStyle]{Times New Roman}
\setsansfont{Arial}
\else
%This can be empty if you are not going to use pdftex
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{mathptmx}%Times
\usepackage{helvet}%Helvetica
\fi
%Here you can insert all packages that pdftex also understands
\usepackage[ngerman,finnish,english]{babel}
\usepackage{graphicx}

\begin{document}
\title{A short document with lilypond and xelatex}
\maketitle

Normal \textbf{font} commands inside the \emph{text} work,
because they \textsf{are supported by \LaTeX{} and XeteX.}
If you want to use specific commands like \verb+\XeTeX+, you
should include them again in a \verb+\ifxetex+ environment.
You can use this to print the \ifxetex \XeTeX{} command \else
XeTeX command \fi which is not known to normal \LaTeX .

In normal text you can easily use lilypond commands, like this:

\begin{lilypond}
{a2 b c'8 c' c' c'}
\end{lilypond}

\noindent
and so on.

The fonts of snippets set with lilypond will have to be set from inside 
of the snippet. For this you should read the AU on how to use lilypond-book.

\selectlanguage{ngerman}
Auch Umlaute funktionieren ohne die \LaTeX -Befehle, wie auch alle anderen
seltsamen Zeichen: ß ČĒŇ, wenn sie von der Schriftart unterstützt werden.
\end{document}
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Re: Three questions about good German usage?

2008-03-01 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
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Am Samstag, 1. März 2008 schrieb Trevor Bača:
 1. Are natürlichen Flageolettönen and künstlichen Flageolettönen the
 correct terms for natural and artificial harmonics?

Yes, see Wikipedia:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flageolettton

Also note that the correct German version of harmonics is Flageolett (with 
double t), as defined by the Duden (which is the dictionary defining the 
German language). 
http://www.duden.de/suche/index.php?begriff=flageoletbereich=mixed

Thus, Flageoletttöne should have three t's.

Also, please use the correct nominativ case:
- -) natürlicher Flageoletton (Sing.) / natürliche Flageolettöne (Plural)
- -) künstlicher Flageoletton (Sing.) / künstliche Flageolettöne (Plural)

 3. How does German translate the interval of a twelth? Say  c' g'' ?
 Duodezime?

Yes, that's the correct term. However, it's also possible (and I suppose more 
common) to leave out the e at the end: Doudezim.

Again, duden.de allows both versions of the intervalls, with and without 
ending e (does not contain Duodezime, but e.g. 'Quint':
http://www.duden.de/suche/index.php?begriff=Quintbereich=mixed 


References:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonintervall (They use the ending e)
http://www.musiklehre.at/7_001.htm (A book on music theory, not using the 
ending e)

Cheers,
Reinhold

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Re: Three questions about good German usage?

2008-03-01 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
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Am Samstag, 1. März 2008 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:
 Thus, Flageoletttöne should have three t's.

 Also, please use the correct nominativ case:
 -) natürlicher Flageoletton (Sing.) / natürliche Flageolettöne (Plural)
 -) künstlicher Flageoletton (Sing.) / künstliche Flageolettöne (Plural)

Oops, should not have copied your strings. The correct versions with three t 
are:
- -) natürlicher Flageolettton (Sing.) / natürliche Flageoletttöne (Plural)
- -) künstlicher Flageolettton (Sing.) / künstliche Flageoletttöne (Plural)

Cheers,
Reinhold
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Re: cross-staff synchronized grace-note figure

2008-03-01 Thread Eric Flesher
David Fedoruk david.fedoruk at gmail.com writes:


 
 I'm not sure which notes are grace and which are not. The problem is
 interesting *think* i'm encountering a similar one, but you haven't
 given me enough information to tell.
 

All the left-hand (bass clef) pitches will look like grace notes. The right hand
pitch in the treble clef is a normal (and hence normal-sized) note. This all
unfolds in one measure of 3/8 time, with the pitches as follows:

Right hand: D#4 (i.e. just above middle C), dotted quarter-note
Left hand: D2 - D#4 - C#3 - F#3 G3 (dyad), all grace notes. (The second grace
note coincides with the main note in the right hand.)

I'm using standard pitch notation, where the digit after the pitch-class name
denotes the octave, i.e. not pitch-registral designations as would be given in
Lilypond – those could be converted easily enough. The main issue is how one
makes the second of the group of grace notes coincide with the right-hand pitch.
This also requires cross-staff beaming with the grace notes, and a
double-stemmed notehead on the D#4.

I have found a post on a similar topic, dealing with synchronizing grace and
normal notes between staves, but it only references synchronizing the first
grace of the figure with the normal note, and there is no cross-staff beaming of
the graces.

Thanks!
EF






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LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?

2008-03-01 Thread Till Rettig

Hi, I tried to get the clef right for this example from lsr:

upper = \relative c'' {
 c1 d e f
}

lower = \relative c {
 c1 b a g
}

\score {
 \context PianoStaff 
   \new Staff 
 \upper

   \new Staff  {

   \override Staff.StaffSymbol  #'line-count = #4
   \set Staff.clefGlyph = #clefs.F
   \set Staff.middleCPosition = #6
 \set Staff.clefPosition = #2
 \set Staff.clefOctavation = #0

  %\clef bass
   \lower
   }
 

}


But it doesn't change the position of the notes or the clefs. What is 
here wrong? I tried as in NR 1.1.3.1


Greetings
Till


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Defining an Ossia context

2008-03-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Afternoon.

I have been tidying up my lilypond source files and decided to try to 
be clever and define an 'ossia' context in one of my layout template 
files. I started to regret the decision when I realised I had to list 
every single engraver I would need to use (I thought that \alias Staff 
would do that - but was wrong.)

What I have done seems to work except for two things. 1) I can't get 
the slurs to display. 2) The layout engine does not allocate any 
vertical space to the Ossia and allows beams from the staff above and 
below to collide. I included the Vertically_spaced_contexts_engraver 
and Vertical_align_engraver in a fit of guess-work, but it didn't solve 
the problem.

Is there a simple solution,other than manually tweaking the system 
positions?

Regards - Dave P.


 Example below:

\version 2.11.41
\include English.ly

\layout {
% Define a context for ossia sections
\context {
\name Ossia
\alias Staff
\consists Note_heads_engraver
\consists Text_engraver
\consists Stem_engraver
\consists Accidental_engraver
\consists Staff_symbol_engraver
\consists Rest_engraver
\consists Slur_engraver
\consists Spacing_engraver
\consists Bar_engraver
\consists Script_engraver
\consists Font_size_engraver
\consists Auto_beam_engraver
\consists Key_engraver
\consists Vertical_align_engraver
\consists Vertically_spaced_contexts_engraver
\type Engraver_group
fontSize = #-2
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -2)
\override KeySignature #'stencil = ##f
}
\context {
\Score
\accepts Ossia
}
}

Notes = \relative c'' {
% snip

% Bar 13
cs8. d16 e8 cs a4 e8 a | 
d,8. e16 fs8 a d4 cs8 d | 
e4 e, e'8. cs16 b8 cs |

{ a4 a8. b16 a4 s }
\new Ossia \with { alignAboveContext = Main }
\relative c'' {
\key a \major
a8^\markup \tiny \bold Last Time 
b16 ( cs ) d e fs gs ( a-. ) r r8 s4 \bar |.
}

}

\score {
\new Staff = Main { \clef treble \key a \major \time 4/4 \Notes }
\layout { }
}





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RE: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?

2008-03-01 Thread Trevor Daniels

I'm not sure what you mean.  It works as expected when
I try this in 2.11.34.  You ask for a staff of four 
lines, with middle C 6 half-staff-spaces above the center.
So the lower C will be 1 half-staff-space below the center,
which it is.  The clef is 2 half-staff-spaces above the 
center, also as specified.  So what do you think is wrong?

Trevor D

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 Subject: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?
 
 
 Hi, I tried to get the clef right for this 
 example from lsr:
 
 upper = \relative c'' {
   c1 d e f
 }
 
 lower = \relative c {
   c1 b a g
 }
 
 \score {
   \context PianoStaff 
 \new Staff 
   \upper
  
 \new Staff  {
 \override Staff.StaffSymbol  #'line-count = #4
 \set Staff.clefGlyph = #clefs.F
 \set Staff.middleCPosition = #6
   \set Staff.clefPosition = #2
   \set Staff.clefOctavation = #0
 
%\clef bass
 \lower
 }
   
 
 }
 
 
 But it doesn't change the position of the notes 
 or the clefs. What is 
 here wrong? I tried as in NR 1.1.3.1
 
 Greetings
 Till
 
 
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Re: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?

2008-03-01 Thread Till Rettig
OK, yes, it does work... :-) what I meant was with the settings of 
middleC =7 and clef position =1. But: When I set the clef settings and 
let the clef print explicitly with \clef bass it is again at the wrong 
position (middleCPosition 6 and ClefPosition 2) even though I had said 
it should be 7 and 1.


so you can't obviously use the \clef command with setting that way? Does 
it read the defaults from engraver-init.ly?


Till

Trevor Daniels schrieb:

I'm not sure what you mean.  It works as expected when
I try this in 2.11.34.  You ask for a staff of four 
lines, with middle C 6 half-staff-spaces above the center.

So the lower C will be 1 half-staff-space below the center,
which it is.  The clef is 2 half-staff-spaces above the 
center, also as specified.  So what do you think is wrong?


Trevor D

  

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Subject: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?


Hi, I tried to get the clef right for this 
example from lsr:


upper = \relative c'' {
  c1 d e f
}

lower = \relative c {
  c1 b a g
}

\score {
  \context PianoStaff 
\new Staff 
  \upper
 
\new Staff  {

\override Staff.StaffSymbol  #'line-count = #4
\set Staff.clefGlyph = #clefs.F
\set Staff.middleCPosition = #6
  \set Staff.clefPosition = #2
  \set Staff.clefOctavation = #0

   %\clef bass
\lower
}
  

}


But it doesn't change the position of the notes 
or the clefs. What is 
here wrong? I tried as in NR 1.1.3.1


Greetings
Till


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RE: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?

2008-03-01 Thread Trevor Daniels


The \clef command sets clefGlyph, clefPosition, middleCPosition and 
clefOctavation, so issuing it after setting these destroys the values you have 
just set explicitly.  But just changing any of these four properties will cause 
a clef to be printed anyway, so the \clef command is not required.  In effect 
you've issued a \clef command by setting these properties.

The values in engraver.init are the values for the default clef in each of the 
staves.  The \clef command is defined as a music function in 
music-functions-init.ly, but this doesn't help you much.

Trevor D 


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Subject: Re: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?


OK, yes, it does work... :-) what I meant was with the settings of middleC =7 
and clef position =1. But: When I set the clef settings and let the clef print 
explicitly with \clef bass it is again at the wrong position (middleCPosition 6 
and ClefPosition 2) even though I had said it should be 7 and 1.

so you can't obviously use the \clef command with setting that way? Does it 
read the defaults from engraver-init.ly?

Till

Trevor Daniels schrieb: 
I'm not sure what you mean.  It works as expected when
I try this in 2.11.34.  You ask for a staff of four 
lines, with middle C 6 half-staff-spaces above the center.
So the lower C will be 1 half-staff-space below the center,
which it is.  The clef is 2 half-staff-spaces above the 
center, also as specified.  So what do you think is wrong?

Trevor D

  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
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Sent: 01 March 2008 14:52
To: lilypond-user Mailinglist
Subject: LSR how to move clefs on uneven staff lines?


Hi, I tried to get the clef right for this 
example from lsr:

upper = \relative c'' {
  c1 d e f
}

lower = \relative c {
  c1 b a g
}

\score {
  \context PianoStaff 
\new Staff 
  \upper
 
\new Staff  {
\override Staff.StaffSymbol  #'line-count = #4
\set Staff.clefGlyph = #clefs.F
\set Staff.middleCPosition = #6
  \set Staff.clefPosition = #2
  \set Staff.clefOctavation = #0

   %\clef bass
\lower
}
  

}


But it doesn't change the position of the notes 
or the clefs. What is 
here wrong? I tried as in NR 1.1.3.1

Greetings
Till


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Re: Three questions about good German usage?

2008-03-01 Thread Trevor Bača
Hi Orm, Werner, Reinhold and Thomas,

Thank you very much for the fast and extremely helpful replies.

I'm privileged to work with an exceptional German translator when putting
score notes together; even so we sometimes find it important to check
certain details of German usage when we are working together.

Thank you all very much for the help!


Trevor.



On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Reinhold Kainhofer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Am Samstag, 1. März 2008 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:
  Thus, Flageoletttöne should have three t's.
 
  Also, please use the correct nominativ case:
  -) natürlicher Flageoletton (Sing.) / natürliche Flageolettöne (Plural)
  -) künstlicher Flageoletton (Sing.) / künstliche Flageolettöne (Plural)

 Oops, should not have copied your strings. The correct versions with three
 t
 are:
 - -) natürlicher Flageolettton (Sing.) / natürliche Flageoletttöne
 (Plural)
 - -) künstlicher Flageolettton (Sing.) / künstliche Flageoletttöne
 (Plural)

 Cheers,
 Reinhold
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Re: Three questions about good German usage?

2008-03-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG

 Also note that the correct German version of harmonics is
 Flageolett (with double t),

Ouch.  Well, I'm Viennese, and I say phonetically fjaʒojeː (and I've
actually never heard fjaʃojɛt or something similar).

 as defined by the Duden (which is the dictionary defining the 
 German language). 

Fortunately, the Duden no longer `defines' the German language.


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Re: Three questions about good German usage?

2008-03-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
  Also note that the correct German version of harmonics is
  Flageolett (with double t),
 
 Ouch.  Well, I'm Viennese, and I say phonetically fjaʒojeː (and I've
 actually never heard fjaʃojɛt or something similar).

Hmm.  Looks like a bug in the IPA mapping in Emacs: The `j' must be a
`l', of course.


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Chord changes under voltas?

2008-03-01 Thread eric raeburn
There was a short thread on this topic in Feb-March 2003 (Chords under 
voltas?), apparently unresolved, and I could find no more recent 
discussion of this topic.


I am using Lilypond to produce jazz leadsheets.  Lilypond prints chord 
symbols above volta lines.  This is most unorthodox and 
disconcerting--the symbols should be above the staff but below the 
volta.  I am using 2.10.29.


Is there a workaround, or should this be reported as a bug?

Thanks,
-Eric


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