Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
2008/9/22 Dmytro O. Redchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/9/20 Francisco Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I have seen the new design in action and I like it very much, I'd like >> to propose a minimum of >> >> padding:10px; > I agree; would suggest 1em. Yes, better. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to get text width in Scheme?
2008/9/22 Risto Vääräniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Should this be added to the bug tracker as a feature request or whatnot? If you can provide a simple (bugmeister-readable) bug report, you're welcome :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: installing on mac os x 10.4.11
2008/9/21 rik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > After a number of attempts to install the new version - I was getting an error > message of 'file to short' - which I couldn't find any references to. Hmm. weird. Can you try the latest development (2.11.x) version? Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: installing on mac os x 10.4.11
On 22 Sep 2008, at 09:49, Valentin Villenave wrote: After a number of attempts to install the new version - I was getting an error message of 'file to short' - which I couldn't find any references to. Hmm. weird. Can you try the latest development (2.11.x) version? This link says it is a bug in Mac OS X 10.5 prebinding, which may happen if one is running other stuff while updating. http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/Mac/ microsoft.public.mac.office/2007-03/msg00127.html Hans ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
Hi Reinhold, hi everybody, I find the new documentation layout very impressive, but there's one feature I'm still missing: the integrated search function! In the attached html page I have pasted (in a very basic way) a search box at the top of the tocframe; this is more or less the kind of layout I'd like to see. However, there are a few improvements I can suggest, though I don't know how to implement these: - the search box size and the search-button should be handled by the CSS - the text on the search button should be defined by a localized string - the search box should provide auto-completion possible results (like on Wikipedia) - the search function should show the results in the main "frame" on the right, without making the tocframe disappear. This would definitely make browsing, searching and using the docs a *lot* easier! Cheers, Valentin Title: GNU LilyPond Notation Reference: GNU LilyPond — The music typesetter [Top][Contents][Index][ ? ] GNU LilyPond — The music typesetter This document is also available as a PDF and as one big page. This file documents GNU LilyPond. Copyright 1999–2007 by the authors Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled “GNU Free Documentation License”. This is the Notation Reference (NR) for GNU LilyPond version 2.11.60. For more information about how this fits with the other documentation, see About the documentation. More information can be found at http://www.lilypond.org/. The website contains on-line copies of this and other documentation. We want to dedicate this program to all the friends that we met through music. Han-Wen and Jan 1. Musical notation 2. Specialist notation Notation which is only used for specific purposes. 3. General input and output General information about lilypond input and output. 4. Spacing issues Display of output on paper. 5. Changing defaults Tuning output. 6. Interfaces for programmers Expert usage. Appendices A. Literature list Reference works about music notation. B. Notation manual tables Tables and charts. C. Cheat sheet Summary of LilyPond syntax. D. GNU Free Documentation License License of this document. E. LilyPond command index F. LilyPond index [Top][Contents][Index][ ? ] This page is for LilyPond-2.11.60 (development-branch). Report errors to http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.bugs. Your suggestions for the documentation are welcome. Other languages: français, español, deutsch. Table of Contents 1. Musical notation 1.1 Pitches 1.2 Rhythms 1.3 Expressive marks 1.4 Repeats 1.5 Simultaneous notes 1.6 Staff notation 1.7 Editorial annotations 1.8 Text 2. Specialist notation 2.1 Vocal music 2.2 Keyboard instruments 2.3 Unfretted string instruments 2.4 Fretted string instruments 2.5 Percussion 2.6 Wind instruments 2.7 Chord notation 2.8 Ancient notation 2.9 World music 3. General input and output 3.1 Input structure 3.2 Titles and headers 3.3 Working with input files 3.4 Controlling output 3.5 MIDI output 4. Spacing issues 4.1 Paper and pages 4.2 Music layout 4.3 Breaks 4.4 Vertical spacing 4.5 Horizontal spacing 4.6 Fitting music onto fewer pages 5. Changing defaults 5.1 Interpretation contexts 5.2 Explaining the Internals Reference 5.3 Modifying properties 5.4 Useful concepts and properties 5.5 Advanced tweaks 5.6 Discussion of specific tweaks 6. Interfaces for programmers 6.1 Music functions 6.2 Programmer interfaces 6.3 Building complicated functions 6.4 Markup programmer interface 6.5 Contexts for programmers 6.6 Scheme procedures as properties 6.7 TODO moved into scheme A. Literature list B. Notation manual tables B.1 Chord name chart B.2 Common chord modifiers B.3 Predefined fretboard diagrams B.4 MIDI instruments B.5 List of colors B.6 The Feta font B.7 Note head styles B.8 Text markup commands B.9 Text markup list commands B.10 List of articulations B.11 Percussion notes B.12 All context properties B.13 Layout properties B.14 Identifiers B.15 Scheme functions C. Cheat sheet D. GNU Free Documentation License E. LilyPond command index F. LilyPond index ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
leadsheet with intro an lyrics
Hi all
I'm writing a leadsheet with chords and lyrics. How can I let the
lyrics start after 4 bars of "intro"? At the moment my score looks
like that:
\score {
{ <<
\chords { ... }
\relative c' { ... }
>>
<<
\chords { ... }
\relative c' { ... }
\addlyrics { ... }
>> }
\header { ... }
\layout { ... }
}
But then the second part starts a new staff. How can I prevent that?
Thanks, Sebastian.
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Re: How to get text width in Scheme?
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Am Sonntag, 21. September 2008 schrieb Han-Wen Nienhuys:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Risto Vääräniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Can someone tell me how I can get the text width inside scheme?
> >
> > There's a method called ly:text-dimension that takes font metric and
> > the text as parameters and gives the dimensions. Alright - I should
> > get the font metric somehow. I tried (let ((fontMetr (ly:grob-property
> > BarNumber 'font))) (...)) but the fontMetr is not a font metric
> > (ly:font-metric? returns false) although the description in
> > font-interface made me think so.
>
> This is sort-of a bug. The 'font is only set in C++, from
>
> Font_interface::get_default_font (Grob *me)
>
> we should change this so it uses the standard property calculation
> scheme.
There is also the ly:grob-default-font Scheme function, which is just a
wrapper around Font_interface::get_default_font for Scheme. It really returns
the font (it is a ly:font-metric?). Here's my code with some debug
statements:
#(define (bis-bar-number BarNumber)
"Append bis to the bar number."
(let* (
(fontMetr (ly:grob-default-font BarNumber))
(barNumber (ly:grob-property BarNumber 'text))
(bisBarNumber (string-append barNumber " bis"))
(width (ly:text-dimension fontMetr bisBarNumber)))
(ly:grob-set-property! BarNumber 'text bisBarNumber)
(ly:warning "Font is metric: ~a" (ly:font-metric? fontMetr))
(ly:warning "text-width for bar number ~a is ~a with font ~a"
bisBarNumber width fontMetr)
(ly:text-interface::print BarNumber)))
Unfortunately, it seems that the font used is not a Modified_font_metric, so
lilypond is not able to obtain a text stencil from this font, and thus can
also not get the width of the text stencil. text-dimension works only for
modified font metrics, but the font is
In particular, I get the output / warning messages:
Vorverarbeitung der grafischen Elemente...
Programmierfehler: Cannot get a text stencil from this font
Fortsetzung, die Daumen drücken
Warnung: Font is metric: #t
Warnung: text-width for bar number 5 bis is ((+inf.0 . -inf.0)
+inf.0 . -inf.0) with font #
Programmierfehler: Cannot get a text stencil from this font
Fortsetzung, die Daumen drücken
Warnung: Font is metric: #t
Warnung: text-width for bar number 5 bis is ((+inf.0 . -inf.0)
+inf.0 . -inf.0) with font #
Programmierfehler: Cannot get a text stencil from this font
Fortsetzung, die Daumen drücken
Cheers,
Reinhold
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\version "2.11.60"
#(define (bis-bar-number BarNumber)
"Append bis to the bar number."
(let* (
(fontMetr (ly:grob-default-font BarNumber))
; Set barNumber to the current value
(barNumber (ly:grob-property BarNumber 'text))
; Append " bis" to it
(bisBarNumber (string-append barNumber " bis"))
(width (ly:text-dimension fontMetr bisBarNumber))
)
; Store the new value back
(ly:grob-set-property! BarNumber 'text bisBarNumber)
; and print it
(ly:warning "Font is metric: ~a" (ly:font-metric? fontMetr))
(ly:warning "text-width for bar number ~a is ~a with font ~a" bisBarNumber width fontMetr)
(ly:text-interface::print BarNumber)))
music = \relative
{
\override Score.BarNumber #'self-alignment-X = #center
\override Score.BarNumber #'break-visibility = #all-visible
\repeat unfold 4 { a1 }
\override Score.BarNumber #'stencil = #bis-bar-number
\repeat unfold 4 { a1 }
\revert Score.BarNumber #'stencil
\repeat unfold 4 { a1 }
}
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Re: midi dynamics
Mats Bengtsson
Quoting Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
if I need a `p espr.' mark, it's probably best (from a typographical
point of view) to write
c\markup { \dynamic "p" \italic " espr." }
No, this is not the best solution from a typographical point of view.
If you for example have a hairpin ending on the same note and want
your dynamic indication vertically aligned with the hairpin, you should
instead use make-dynamic-script, as described in the Notation Reference,
section "New dynamic marks". Tricks to get horizontal alignment
on the p have been discussed recently on the mailing list.
to correctly align the horizontal and vertical distance of the `espr.'
string with the `p' dynamic sign. However, this has the disadvantage
that the MIDI performer no longer recognizes the `p' as such.
My idea was to simply adjust the MIDI volume manually. However, this
is much more tricky than expected, since LilyPond apparently doesn't
provide a simple means to do that.
Yes, it would be very convenient if make-dynamic-script was extended
so you also could specify the MIDI interpretation of the new dynamics
mark.
Section 3.5.5 "Controlling MIDI dynamics" in the
2.11 docs shows two methods for controlling the
MIDI volume for user-created dynamic marks.
Trevor
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same pages in a4 and letter
I'm preparing my old scores for online publication, but I'm extremely fussy about engraving. I want users on both sides of the Atlantic to be able to print my music easily, but this only works if the music looks in the same in A4 and Letter paper. (having page turns in random places is *not* acceptable to me :) The attached file achieves this: - creates A4 (default) or letter (from a command-line option) // shamelessly stolen from Nicholas Sceaux's scores - automatically adjusts the margins such that there's at least a 1cm margin. A4 has smaller horizontal margins, letter has smaller vertical margins. - produces a usable area (for headers, music, text) of 190mm by 259mm. Let me know if you can think of any improvements; I'll add it to LSR when I'm reasonably confident that this is the best way to go about this. Cheers, - Graham spacing-a4-letter.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
Sorry! I've added % run with % lilypond -d letter spacing-a4-letter.ly % for letter size to the top of the file. This produces a warning that "no such internal option: letter", which I'd like to get rid of, but it works all the same. Cheers, - Graham On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:40:10 -0500 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Graham, > > This is a really good idea. I'm not sure if I'm doing it right, > though. No matter whether I just run the file without options or if I > use > > lilypond -dpaper-size=\"letter\" spacing-a4-letter.ly > > the file info says the paper is A4 Portrait size. Did I invoke it > correctly to get letter size? > > Jon > > Graham Percival wrote: > > I'm preparing my old scores for online publication, but I'm > > extremely fussy about engraving. I want users on both sides of > > the Atlantic to be able to print my music easily, but this only > > works if the music looks in the same in A4 and Letter paper. > > (having page turns in random places is *not* acceptable to me :) > > > > The attached file achieves this: > > - creates A4 (default) or letter (from a command-line option) > > // shamelessly stolen from Nicholas Sceaux's scores > > > > - automatically adjusts the margins such that there's at least a > > 1cm margin. A4 has smaller horizontal margins, letter has > > smaller vertical margins. > > > > - produces a usable area (for headers, music, text) of 190mm by > > 259mm. > > > > Let me know if you can think of any improvements; I'll add it to > > LSR when I'm reasonably confident that this is the best way to go > > about this. > > > > Cheers, > > - Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > lilypond-user mailing list > > lilypond-user@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > -- > Jonathan Kulp > http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
2008/9/22 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sorry! I've added > % run with > % lilypond -d letter spacing-a4-letter.ly > % for letter size > to the top of the file. > > This produces a warning that "no such internal option: letter", which > I'd like to get rid of, but it works all the same. Works well. In 2.11.57 it gave random page breaks; in .59 page #2 both documents start at measure 100. Useful! -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: midi dynamics
> > Yes, it would be very convenient if make-dynamic-script was > > extended so you also could specify the MIDI interpretation of the > > new dynamics mark. > > Section 3.5.5 "Controlling MIDI dynamics" in the 2.11 docs shows two > methods for controlling the MIDI volume for user-created dynamic > marks. Trevor, I know that, but the outlined method is far too complicated to be of any convenience. I want to have a possibility to control the midi volume ad-hoc, without having lilypond walk over an alist. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
Awesome!! I like it, Graham! Worked perfectly with that command. Thanks for sharing. Jon Graham Percival wrote: Sorry! I've added % run with % lilypond -d letter spacing-a4-letter.ly % for letter size to the top of the file. This produces a warning that "no such internal option: letter", which I'd like to get rid of, but it works all the same. Cheers, - Graham On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:40:10 -0500 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Graham, This is a really good idea. I'm not sure if I'm doing it right, though. No matter whether I just run the file without options or if I use lilypond -dpaper-size=\"letter\" spacing-a4-letter.ly the file info says the paper is A4 Portrait size. Did I invoke it correctly to get letter size? Jon Graham Percival wrote: I'm preparing my old scores for online publication, but I'm extremely fussy about engraving. I want users on both sides of the Atlantic to be able to print my music easily, but this only works if the music looks in the same in A4 and Letter paper. (having page turns in random places is *not* acceptable to me :) The attached file achieves this: - creates A4 (default) or letter (from a command-line option) // shamelessly stolen from Nicholas Sceaux's scores - automatically adjusts the margins such that there's at least a 1cm margin. A4 has smaller horizontal margins, letter has smaller vertical margins. - produces a usable area (for headers, music, text) of 190mm by 259mm. Let me know if you can think of any improvements; I'll add it to LSR when I'm reasonably confident that this is the best way to go about this. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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showLastLength as a command-line option?
Would it be possible technically to specify the showLastLength value when invoking lilypond instead of putting it in the .ly file? Something like lilypond --lastlength=20 filename.ly to process only the last 20 bars? The problem with this particular example (and maybe with trying to do this at all) is that it doesn't specify the length of each bar, but it could be set to a default of R1 I guess. My original idea was to try to put this into a shell script, but I don't have the slightest idea how to go about it. I'm not a programmer but am starting to get some basic scripting chops and I'd like to learn how to customize my lilypond experience a bit further. This is a feature I'd LOVE to have. I'd appreciate any advice or suggestions. Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: showLastLength as a command-line option?
2008/9/22 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Would it be possible technically to specify the showLastLength value when > invoking lilypond instead of putting it in the .ly file? Something like Yes! Great idea! (my useless post du jour :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
I like the comprehensive navigation of the new layout [1], but feel there is still something missing. __ Say I am reading the mailing list, looking at a thread or message. I see something which gets me thinking about a problem I have, and I follow a link there which takes me into the documentation. There is something useful to read, and I may navigate around a bit, looking for something even more relevant. I feel safe doing this because the TOC panel shows me not only the breadcrumbs [3] in bold, but also the lie of the land, providing a sort of peripheral vision. I click on another link and go on reading, still thinking mainly about my problem. And then I notice that I'm not so sure where I am, even though the nice TOC panel is still there. I would like to reread a section that I read just after coming in. I can remember its title, more or less. But I can't find it anywhere. __ This would not happen to an experienced reader, who - recognises LM/NR/IR by page layout and treatment style - notices how links are grouped LM/NR/IR-wise and therefore has no trouble tracking movements across LM/NR/IR boundaries. But for the inexperienced reader, thinking about something else, these indications are too subtle. At first I thought, each document is a room (in the documentation house), and something in the rooms could be coloured as a key, e.g. LM green, NR blue, IR red, (to follow a famous example). This does let you notice the boundaries, but it is not explicit, and so could confuse and frustrate. So I propose A Replace the (passive) text "Table of Contents" in the TOC panel, with the document title, e.g. "Learning Manual". This nearly always visible (on biggish screens). (And when offscreen, near the end of NR, it is not far away.) And to follow this up with additional suggestions: B Make this document title [A] be like a breadcrumb at the document level i.e. it is a link to the start of the document. C All documents have their document title headlined on the first page. (Only LM has this sort of title at the moment.) D When you follow the link [B] (or ) you immediately see this title [C]. This reassures those who are getting disoriented. E Just above [B], add a (smallish) link called "Documentation", which goes to "higher than top" [2] [3]. F Because [E] is in the (extended) TOC panel, this link need not be provided as a button in the main pane. This provides another type of reassurance: - the main pane buttons never take you outside the document. And "Top" does not become ambiguous: it means only "Top of document". [1] http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/index.html [2] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-07/msg00485.html [3] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-09/msg00715.html Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Documentation Review
Help needed to review documentation before 2.12 is released. --- Several sections of the Learning Manual and most of the first two Chapters of the Notation Reference are ready for review by users, and it would be good to bring these to the best possible state before 2.12 is released. To do this we need -your- help. All you need to do is browse through any of the sections mentioned below and post any comments you may have to the -user list. Some of these sections have been reviewed earlier, but further comments are welcome. The most up-to-date development documentation can be found at: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/ These sections are ready for review: Learning Manual: 1 Introduction 2 Tutorial 3 Fundamental concepts 4 Tweaking output Notation Reference: 1.1 Pitches 1.3 Expressive marks 1.4 Repeats 1.5 Simultaneous notes 1.6 Staff notation 1.7 Editorial annotations 2.2 Keyboard instruments 2.4 Fretted string instruments 2.5 Percussion 2.7 Chord notation Many thanks for your help Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Documentation Review
On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Trevor Daniels wrote: but further comments are welcome. Re: sect. 2.4 The motivating example is beautifully set, but has an incorrect fingering in the second measure. The next to the last eighth note (e above middle c) should be fingered with the first finger (i.e., a barre). I checked with the original and Mertz (the composer) agrees! I will keep looking... Stan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
Graham Percival wrote: I'm preparing my old scores for online publication, but I'm extremely fussy about engraving. I want users on both sides of the Atlantic to be able to print my music easily, but this only works if the music looks in the same in A4 and Letter paper. (having page turns in random places is *not* acceptable to me :) You are the man, simple, clear, well documented internally! A well designed general solution for a problem that has troubled many;) Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: showLastLength as a command-line option?
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/9/22 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Would it be possible technically to specify the showLastLength value when invoking lilypond instead of putting it in the .ly file? Something like Yes! Great idea! (my useless post du jour :-) Wow!!! Exceptional response to a great idea! (my contentless reply to your useless post du jour ;-<) regards, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Documentation Review
Well spotted! I should have seen it from the fact that it's impossible to play this way, if not from the facsimile itself (which I just checked, too). Thanks, Stan. I'll fix and send to Carl. Jonathan Stan Sanderson wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Trevor Daniels wrote: but further comments are welcome. Re: sect. 2.4 The motivating example is beautifully set, but has an incorrect fingering in the second measure. The next to the last eighth note (e above middle c) should be fingered with the first finger (i.e., a barre). I checked with the original and Mertz (the composer) agrees! I will keep looking... Stan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Documentation Review
A rousing hip, hip, hurrah to the authors of the documentation. Few (if any) commercial products can boast of similar quality! Regards, Stan On Sep 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote: Well spotted! I should have seen it from the fact that it's impossible to play this way, if not from the facsimile itself (which I just checked, too). Thanks, Stan. I'll fix and send to Carl. Jonathan Stan Sanderson wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Trevor Daniels wrote: but further comments are welcome. Re: sect. 2.4 The motivating example is beautifully set, but has an incorrect fingering in the second measure. The next to the last eighth note (e above middle c) should be fingered with the first finger (i.e., a barre). I checked with the original and Mertz (the composer) agrees! I will keep looking... Stan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: leadsheet with intro an lyrics
Sebastian Menge wrote: But then the second part starts a new staff. How can I prevent that? One way would be to have just one part, which starts all three things together (like your second part) and then make the lyrics skip the intro bars. To see how, search (twice) for "Skips in lyric mode" in the vocal snippets: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/lsr/lilypond-snippets/Vocal-music Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: leadsheet with intro an lyrics
Am Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:53:02 +0200 schrieb "Robin Bannister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > To see how, search (twice) for "Skips in lyric mode" in the vocal > snippets: > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/lsr/lilypond-snippets/Vocal-music Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. I just RTF 2.10 manual ... Why did you reply off-list? Seb. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: leadsheet with intro an lyrics
Sebastian Menge wrote:
Am Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:53:02 +0200
schrieb "Robin Bannister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
To see how, search (twice) for "Skips in lyric mode" in the vocal
snippets:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/lsr/lilypond-snippets/Vocal-music
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. I just RTF 2.10 manual ...
Perhaps a better solution is described in the second example
of
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Divisi-lyrics#Divisi-lyrics
You can also do the same with \addlyrics. Something like the
following should work
\score {
<<
\chords { ... ... }
\new Staff { \relative c' { ... } \relative c'{ ... } \addlyrics {...} }
\header { ... }
\layout { ... }
}
/Mats
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French music teacher requires a multilingual glossary
Hi everybody, Sorry to bother you with this, but my wife requires your help: She teaches music here in Manosque (Southern of France), and since the ITER program is in development, she has to deal with beginners (between 6 and 8 years old) just arriving from their mother country and not familiar with the French language, neither fluent in English (especially for those particular musical terms). I must admit that this situation is frustrating for everybody, either Isabelle or the children (and their parents afterwards). Having built a glossary with the other French translators of LilyPond, Isabelle has at her disposal a French-English translation of the basic terms she uses in the first two grades. The problem is that most of her "pupils" come either from China, Japan or Korea, and I have no idea how those terms would look like, and Isabelle is sad to see them crying when they don't understand (even when they use their "electronic" translator for which a scale is just used for painting the ceiling). Therefore, could anybody give some help and return me the enclosed text file with a translation (ideally with phonetic) for those languages? Thanks in advance, for them as well as my wife. Cheers Jean-Charles Malahieude French translator of LilyPond ENGLISH : YOUR-LANGUAGE A (note) accidental ancient minor scale arpeggio ascending interval B(note) bar bar line baritone clef bass clef beam beat bind (équivalent de tie) breath mark C (note) cadence/cadenza chord chromatic scale chromaticism clef common meter conjunct movement consonance cue notes D(note) descending interval diatonic scale disjunct movement dissonance dissonant interval dot (augmentation dot) dotted note double bar line double flat double meter double sharp duration E(note) eighth note eighth rest expression mark F (note) F clef fermata fifth fingering flag flat fourth G (note) G clef grand staff grave half note half rest harmonic cadence harmony interval just intonation key key signature leading note ledger line legato line longa lyrics major major interval measure mediant melodic cadence meter metronome middle C minor minor interval mode modulation movement multibar rest natural sign neighbour tone ninth note note head octave ornament part percussion perfect fifth perfect fourth perfect interval phrase phrasing pitch quarter note quarter rest relative key repeat rest rhythm scale scale degree score second semitone seventh sharp sixteenth note sixteenth rest sixth sixty-fourth note sixty-fourth rest slur song texts staff staves stem strings strong beat subdominant superdominant supertonic syncopation system tempo indication third thirty-second note thirty-second rest tie time time signature tone tonic transposition treble clef trill triple meter triplet tritone tuning fork unison upbeat voice weak beat whole note whole rest whole tone whole tone scale woodwind ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 19. September 2008 schrieb Mark Polesky: > It's nice to see the progress with the new docs! I have 3 comments: > > 1. Is anyone else wanting "breadcrumbs navigation"? So often after >I've looked something up in the docs, I find myself deep inside >and if I want to switch from NR to IR, for example, I either need >to click up the many directory tree links or keep hitting the >back button (which follows my typically long, convoluted route in >reverse), or I need to go to the address bar, highlight and delete >the "Documentation/user/lilypond/Doubling-a-note-with-slurs-_0..." >(which can involve scrolling horizontally through the address bar). >With breadcrumbs, if I'm out on a limb, I can pick exactly which >branch I'd like to return to with one click. What exactly do you understand under "breadcrumbs navigation"? The last, say, five visited pages? That's not possible in static html pages, as it needs session management and server-side scripting... > 2. In the new docs, once in the LM or the NR or whatever, there's >apparently no link back to the main (dir) index/start page. I >think that's bad, because you should never trust a browser's back >button. And if an unfamiliar visitor follows a link to an inside >page, the mysterious elusiveness of the start page could be >frustrating. Yes, that's a wish often heard, and I've noted it. That would be really easy to implement (e.g. just hardcode a link to "../" at the top of the TOC. I just never got around to implement it. Is anyone up to pick this really low-hanging fruit and implement it in the .init file? Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung "Jung-Wien", http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2AGtTqjEwhXvPN0RAhVNAJ0YYA8o0dB5yPLUZeZdKFWHO9RuWgCgxvGX ar0QdIekG3zeOkD+Erg9gdo= =3bLJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > So I propose > > A > Replace the (passive) text "Table of Contents" in the TOC panel, > with the document title, e.g. "Learning Manual". > This nearly always visible (on biggish screens). > (And when offscreen, near the end of NR, it is not far away.) That's a good idea! > And to follow this up with additional suggestions: > > B > Make this document title [A] be like a breadcrumb at the document level > i.e. it is a link to the start of the document. Good idea. Especially since the TOC currently does NOT include any link to the Top node! > C > All documents have their document title headlined on the first page. > (Only LM has this sort of title at the moment.) Oops, yes, the NR and the IR have a title that really doesn't tell you a lot! That's something that needs to be changed in the .tely file. The AU and the LM do not use proper headline style (i.e. capitalized words). > E > Just above [B], add a (smallish) link called "Documentation", > which goes to "higher than top" [2] [3]. Yes, see my other post. That would be really useful and it's easy to implement. It's debatable, though, where to place this link. I've added your suggestions to my texi2html-docs issues page, so they don't get lost: http://wiki.kainhofer.com/lilypond/texi2html_issues Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung "Jung-Wien", http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2AViTqjEwhXvPN0RAlJiAJ46zpLTPhIBiY2PVy/hmfbuP9y8ngCgllA5 P5ekByeuoVu0eFgSFIhm+Pk= =kWjH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Documentation Review
Perhaps a bit off topic: Im using lilypond only once a year or so. Then every time I have to read a lot of the docs again. Since i remember most things then, i'm quite quick (getting quicker every time ;-) ), but I must admit that I dont find my way through the docs as quickly as I could: I would suggest: * a search engine field at the top of the main template (cf wikipedia) * way more hyperlinks: especially between corresponding parts of tutorial <-> manual <-> reference. And one thing concerning the section I just learned: "For every \skip, the text will be delayed another note. " Is it a note or a syllable? What does the param mean? Before getting to destructive: I love lilypond! Big thanks to all contributors. Regards, Seb. Am Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:02:44 +0100 schrieb "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Help needed to review documentation before 2.12 is released. > --- > > Several sections of the Learning Manual and most of the first > two Chapters of the Notation Reference are ready for review > by users, and it would be good to bring these to the best > possible state before 2.12 is released. To do this we need > -your- help. All you need to do is browse through any of the > sections mentioned below and post any comments you may have > to the -user list. Some of these sections have been reviewed > earlier, but further comments are welcome. > > The most up-to-date development documentation can be found at: > > http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/ > > These sections are ready for review: > > Learning Manual: > 1 Introduction > 2 Tutorial > 3 Fundamental concepts > 4 Tweaking output > > Notation Reference: > 1.1 Pitches > 1.3 Expressive marks > 1.4 Repeats > 1.5 Simultaneous notes > 1.6 Staff notation > 1.7 Editorial annotations > > 2.2 Keyboard instruments > 2.4 Fretted string instruments > 2.5 Percussion > 2.7 Chord notation > > Many thanks for your help > > Trevor > > > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- __ Dipl.-Inform. Sebastian Menge Lehrstuhl Software-Technologie TU Dortmund, FB Informatik Tel: 0231-755 4895 Fax: 0231-755 2061 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://ls10-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~menge __ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Valentin Villenave: > Hi Reinhold, hi everybody, > > I find the new documentation layout very impressive, but there's one > feature I'm still missing: the integrated search function! There are many feature that *I* am missing ;-) > In the attached html page I have pasted (in a very basic way) a search > box at the top of the tocframe; this is more or less the kind of > layout I'd like to see. However, there are a few improvements I can > suggest, though I don't know how to implement these: > > - the search box size and the search-button should be handled by the CSS I don't know if that's possible in CSS. Probably it is, but I haven't looked into it. > - the text on the search button should be defined by a localized string That's a simple translation issue in the postprocessing script in buildscripts/ > - the search box should provide auto-completion possible results (like > on Wikipedia) That's hard, it probably needs AJAX... > - the search function should show the results in the main "frame" on > the right, without making the tocframe disappear. This definitely needs AJAX... And of course it does not work for offline browsing. Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung "Jung-Wien", http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2AYDTqjEwhXvPN0RAoRxAKDGD3gHBUGyGTjlSIT0XqIviW2QDQCfYq/l SIKOkwIe1xN1Dlui1MtCzGw= =dgHm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Questions on beaming and barring
Hi Nick, > I thing I haven't managed to fix is that the barring indication looks better > if both the right- and left-hand ends are extended slightly so that they > don't both start and finish centred on a note, like so: > > \barre #0.0 "CIV" #'(-0.5 . -1) #10 > > But this means that a barre that wraps to the following stave now extends > slightly beyond the RH end of the beginning stave. I couldn't find the > command to fix that. \override TextSpanner #'bound-details #'right-broken #'padding = #0 I'm afraid the problem with the left alignment after a break is a bug (see http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=654&q=spanner); it's been like this ever since the new spanner code was implemented. As a workaround, you can use the bound-detail 'end-on-note, which was introduced to align broken trill spanners with the first note after a break (text spanners and trill spanners use nearly identical code): \once \override TextSpanner #'bound-details #'left-broken #'end-on-note = ##t Ideally, the 'left-broken alignment would be the same as for dynamic text spanners (before the note, but after prefatory breakable items such as time signatures and clefs), but until this is fixed properly, a combination of 'end-on-note and 'padding will do. Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
2008/9/22 Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > That's hard, it probably needs AJAX... I swear I'll look into the AJAX thingy as soon as I get a life (and that answers your question about my opera, btw...) There are several resources such as http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/samples.html or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opensearch#Search_engines_and_software_that_support_OpenSearch In the meantime, a small basic google search box would mean the world to many of us -- or at least myself :-) If you're worried about the CSS side, I'm sure someone will handle it. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
2008/9/22 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sorry! I've added
> % run with
> % lilypond -d letter spacing-a4-letter.ly
> % for letter size
> to the top of the file.
>
> This produces a warning that "no such internal option: letter", which
> I'd like to get rid of, but it works all the same.
This is rather nifty, but you're reinventing the wheel. :)
Why not use the built-in option instead, i.e., run with -dpaper-size="letter"?
\version "2.11.59"
% total page size to fit on A4 and letter
% paper-height = 279mm
% paper-width = 210mm
% with a minimum margin of 10mm on all sides, this means
% vertical = 259mm
% horizontal = 190mm
% A4: 210 x 297 mm
% USletter: 216 x 279 mm
#(define is-letter? (string=? (ly:get-option 'paper-size ) "letter"))
\paper{
annotate-spacing = ##t
% VERTICAL TARGET: 259 mm
% letter: (279 - 259) /2 = 10mm
% a4: (297 - 259) /2 = 19mm
#(define (letter-margin-height)
(if is-letter?
(* 10 mm)
(* 19 mm)))
top-margin = #(letter-margin-height)
bottom-margin = #(letter-margin-height)
% HORIZONTAL TARGET: 180 mm
% letter: (216 - 180) /2 = 13
% A4: (210 - 180) /2 = 10
#(define (letter-margin-width)
(if is-letter?
(* 13 mm)
(* 10 mm)))
left-margin = #(letter-margin-width)
right-margin = #(letter-margin-width)
line-width = #(- paper-width (+ left-margin right-margin))
}
\header {
title="title"
composer = "composer"
}
\score{
{ \repeat unfold 120 { c'4 c' c' c' } }
}
Regards,
Neil
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Re: Documentation Review
Sebastian Menge wrote Monday, September 22, 2008 9:54 PM I would suggest: * a search engine field at the top of the main template (cf wikipedia) It would be nice, and others are pressing for this, but it poses some problems. * way more hyperlinks: especially between corresponding parts of tutorial <-> manual <-> reference. I agree. This is something we shall look at when the basic text is satisfactory. (Links can't be added reliably until the text has stabilised.) And one thing concerning the section I just learned: "For every \skip, the text will be delayed another note. " Is it a note or a syllable? What does the param mean? I'll clarify this. The param has to be a valid duration and present, but it is ignored in lyrics. Before getting to destructive: I love lilypond! Big thanks to all contributors. Thanks :) Regards, Seb. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM, John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMHO I prefer Patrick's design over Andrew, it's more colorful but still > serious enough (as Valentin already wrote), and I second Patrick Horgan > comment on links color: maybe we could make links a bit more blue? > We might manage to merge both style sheets into one, but let's hurry up > if we want this to make it into 2.12.0 ;-) I just made the links *significantly* more blue. I'll keep experimenting. Let me know if this looks better: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-index.html Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Andrew Hawryluk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:43 PM, John Mandereau > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - the colors are taken from the Monet "Waterlilies" on the LilyPond homepage >> >> I find it a good idea, even if we might decide to change this image: >> it's a small heavily compressed JPEG image, this is not appealing >> enough, LilyPond deserves better graphics on its start page. Feel free >> to propose a replacement for it, e.g. a graphical mixture of Monet >> Waterlilies and some LilyPond output... > > I just learned that there are a lot of Monet Waterlilies to choose > from, so maybe this will be helpful to anyone on the list with > graphics skills: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Claude_Monet Thanks, Andrew! I will look into this. -Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
Neil Puttock wrote: ...some stuff elided... This is rather nifty, but you're reinventing the wheel. :) Why not use the built-in option instead, i.e., run with -dpaper-size="letter"? because he wanted to be able to switch back and forth via command line argument without editing the file. Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
Wasn't it a scheme to preserve page-turns and other important formatting when switching from A4 to Letter? Jon Patrick Horgan wrote: Neil Puttock wrote: ...some stuff elided... This is rather nifty, but you're reinventing the wheel. :) Why not use the built-in option instead, i.e., run with -dpaper-size="letter"? because he wanted to be able to switch back and forth via command line argument without editing the file. Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
- Original Message From: Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:35:50 PM > What exactly do you understand under "breadcrumbs navigation"? The last, say, > five visited pages? That's not possible in static html pages, as it needs > session management and server-side scripting... I don't mean the last x visited pages, I mean showing the directory tree of the current node. Say you're reading about command-line options, then you would see something like this at the top of the page: LilyPond Documentation > Application Usage > Running LilyPond > Command-line usage > Command line options Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
Patrick McCarty wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM, John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO I prefer Patrick's design over Andrew, it's more colorful but still serious enough (as Valentin already wrote), and I second Patrick Horgan comment on links color: maybe we could make links a bit more blue? We might manage to merge both style sheets into one, but let's hurry up if we want this to make it into 2.12.0 ;-) I just made the links *significantly* more blue. I'll keep experimenting. Let me know if this looks better: It looks great--have you figured out why your css doesn't produce underlines with Reinhold's copy of the documentation? Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
delete-intermediate-files
How do I set delete-intermediate-files? I saw it mentioned herebut I can't figure out how to make it work. Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: delete-intermediate-files
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Re: same pages in a4 and letter
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:17:21 -0700 Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neil Puttock wrote: > > ...some stuff elided... > > This is rather nifty, but you're reinventing the wheel. :) Well, IMO the main point is setting the margins automatically -- and simply the idea that this would be useful to have better quality music for both paper sizes at once. I could imagine that this could be very useful for mutopia and similar projects. I often used to see scores that looked great in a4 but contained a final page with two lines of score in letter, or vice versa. (I haven't looked at mutopia in the past few years, but I'd be surprised if such problems were resolved) > > Why not use the built-in option instead, i.e., run with > > -dpaper-size="letter"? > because he wanted to be able to switch back and forth via command > line argument without editing the file. No; Neil is quite correct. -dpaper-size=\"letter\" is also a command-line option; I'd forgotten about it. "-d letter" is easy to type, but this kind of thing is generally hidden in a makefile anyway, so that's hardly a good argument. Besides, -dpaper-size=\"letter\" *is* a built-in option, so lilypond won't display a warning message. The next version of this file will use this method. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: delete-intermediate-files
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Mark Polesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do I set delete-intermediate-files? > > I saw it mentioned herebut I can't figure out how to make it work. Same way you set any other -d option. lilypond -d delete-intermediate-files foo.ly The AU *should* contain info about this, but it hasn't been rewritten yet and I don't know whether it contains this info. (and can't be bothered to check) Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:34:52 +0200 "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the meantime, a small basic google search box would mean the world > to many of us -- or at least myself :-) Presumably these things are done with google's site:www.lilypond.org option. Can you also restrict the directory? I mean, if you're using the search box in the 2.11 docs, you don't want google to pop up links to www.lilypond.org/Documentation/2.10/user/Pitches.html Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
2008/9/23 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:17:21 -0700 > Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Neil Puttock wrote: >> > ...some stuff elided... >> > This is rather nifty, but you're reinventing the wheel. :) > > Well, IMO the main point is setting the margins automatically -- and > simply the idea that this would be useful to have better quality music > for both paper sizes at once. I could imagine that this could be very > useful for mutopia and similar projects. I often used to see scores > that looked great in a4 but contained a final page with two lines of > score in letter, or vice versa. > (I haven't looked at mutopia in the past few years, but I'd be > surprised if such problems were resolved) Oh, I agree it's useful; what I meant was you're using a custom command line option to set the paper size when there's a already one available. > Besides, -dpaper-size=\"letter\" *is* a built-in option, so lilypond > won't display a warning message. The next version of this file will > use this method. I notice AU says escape the quotes, but I've never had any problems leaving them out. Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lilypond -dhelp
On osx 10.4, using the 2.11.59-1 intel binary, I get the following: vanessa_imac:~/Desktop/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin jamesebailey$ ./lilypond -dhelp GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 warning: not relocating, no 2.11.59/ or current/ found under /Users/jamesebailey/Desktop/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/share/lilypond/ ERROR: In procedure primitive-load-path: ERROR: Unable to find file "lily.scm" in load path And then I don't get the -dhelp options. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: delete-intermediate-files
On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT) > Mark Polesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How do I set delete-intermediate-files? >> >> I saw it mentioned herebut I can't figure out how to make it work. > > Same way you set any other -d option. > lilypond -d delete-intermediate-files foo.ly > > The AU *should* contain info about this, but it hasn't been > rewritten yet and I don't know whether it contains this info. > (and can't be bothered to check) Incidentally, whenever I want to put something like this in a file (so I don't have to call it as a command-line option every time) I look in the 2.10 documentation for point-and-click. That has the #(ly:set-option 'dhelp-option #t) syntax that I don't have memorized. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: delete-intermediate-files
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:51:09 +0200 "James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > > The AU *should* contain info about this, but it hasn't been > > rewritten yet and I don't know whether it contains this info. > > (and can't be bothered to check) > > Incidentally, whenever I want to put something like this in a file > (so I don't have to call it as a command-line option every time) I > look in the 2.10 documentation for point-and-click. That has the # > (ly:set-option 'dhelp-option #t) syntax that I don't have memorized. If you're using 2.11, why not use \pointAndClickOn? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: delete-intermediate-files
On Tuesday, September 23, 2008, at 01:55AM, "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:51:09 +0200 >"James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Graham Percival wrote: >> > The AU *should* contain info about this, but it hasn't been >> > rewritten yet and I don't know whether it contains this info. >> > (and can't be bothered to check) >> >> Incidentally, whenever I want to put something like this in a file >> (so I don't have to call it as a command-line option every time) I >> look in the 2.10 documentation for point-and-click. That has the # >> (ly:set-option 'dhelp-option #t) syntax that I don't have memorized. > >If you're using 2.11, why not use \pointAndClickOn? > >Cheers, >- Graham > > Because there's no \deleteIntermediateFilesOff ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond -dhelp
Interesting. Works here on 10.4.11 intel. tsubasa:~ gperciva$ lilypond -dhelp GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 Options supported by ly:set-option anti-alias-factor (1) ... Could you try deleting the LilyPond.app and installing it again? Cheers, - Graham On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:49:38 +0200 "James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On osx 10.4, using the 2.11.59-1 intel binary, I get the following: > vanessa_imac:~/Desktop/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin > jamesebailey$ ./lilypond -dhelp GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 > warning: not relocating, no 2.11.59/ or current/ found > under > /Users/jamesebailey/Desktop/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/share/lilypond/ > ERROR: In procedure primitive-load-path: ERROR: Unable to find file > "lily.scm" in load path > > And then I don't get the -dhelp options. > > > ___ > bug-lilypond mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:48:44 +0100 "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/23 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Besides, -dpaper-size=\"letter\" *is* a built-in option, so lilypond > > won't display a warning message. The next version of this file will > > use this method. > > I notice AU says escape the quotes, but I've never had any problems > leaving them out. Really? Hmm, you're on Linux, right? That's the only thing I can think of. On OSX 10.4.11, tsubasa:~/tmp gperciva$ lilypond -d paper-size=letter spacing-a4-letter.ly GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 Processing `spacing-a4-letter.ly' Parsing... /Users/gperciva/Apps/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/ly/declarations-init.ly:93:1: error: GUILE signaled an error for the expression beginning here # (set-default-paper-size (ly:get-option 'paper-size)) Wrong type (expecting string): letter ... Cheers, - GRaham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond -dhelp
Yeah, still same problem. I even moved the program to the Applications directory. vanessa_imac:/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin jamesebailey$ ./lilypond -dhelp GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 warning: not relocating, no 2.11.59/ or current/ found under /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/share/lilypond/ ERROR: In procedure primitive-load-path: ERROR: Unable to find file "lily.scm" in load path And to be fair, it makes sense, the share/lilypond/current isn't in bin/, it's in Resources/. I guess I'll try making a link and see if that solves the problem. …sigh… On Tuesday, September 23, 2008, at 01:58AM, "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Interesting. Works here on 10.4.11 intel. > >tsubasa:~ gperciva$ lilypond -dhelp >GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 >Options supported by ly:set-option > > anti-alias-factor (1) >... > > >Could you try deleting the LilyPond.app and installing it again? > >Cheers, >- Graham > >On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:49:38 +0200 >"James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On osx 10.4, using the 2.11.59-1 intel binary, I get the following: >> vanessa_imac:~/Desktop/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin >> jamesebailey$ ./lilypond -dhelp GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 >> warning: not relocating, no 2.11.59/ or current/ found >> under >> /Users/jamesebailey/Desktop/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/share/lilypond/ >> ERROR: In procedure primitive-load-path: ERROR: Unable to find file >> "lily.scm" in load path >> >> And then I don't get the -dhelp options. >> >> >> ___ >> bug-lilypond mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: same pages in a4 and letter
2008/9/23 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:48:44 +0100 > "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2008/9/23 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > Besides, -dpaper-size=\"letter\" *is* a built-in option, so lilypond >> > won't display a warning message. The next version of this file will >> > use this method. >> >> I notice AU says escape the quotes, but I've never had any problems >> leaving them out. > > Really? Hmm, you're on Linux, right? That's the only thing I can > think of. On OSX 10.4.11, > > tsubasa:~/tmp gperciva$ lilypond -d paper-size=letter > spacing-a4-letter.ly > GNU LilyPond 2.11.59 > Processing `spacing-a4-letter.ly' > Parsing... > /Users/gperciva/Apps/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/ly/declarations-init.ly:93:1: > error: GUILE signaled an error for the expression beginning here > # > (set-default-paper-size (ly:get-option 'paper-size)) > Wrong type (expecting string): letter > ... Actually, scrub that... I've just realized it's because I always use LilyPondTool's console when invoking command line options. :) Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: showLastLength as a command-line option?
Can anyone point me in the right direction to accomplish this great idea?! ;) Jon Patrick Horgan wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/9/22 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Would it be possible technically to specify the showLastLength value when invoking lilypond instead of putting it in the .ly file? Something like Yes! Great idea! (my useless post du jour :-) Wow!!! Exceptional response to a great idea! (my contentless reply to your useless post du jour ;-<) regards, Patrick -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: showLastLength as a command-line option?
> Can anyone point me in the right direction to accomplish this great idea?! > ;) > Would it be possible technically to specify the showLastLength value when invoking lilypond instead of putting it in the .ly file? Something like look at lily.scm to see where the -d options are defined. At some point showLastLength is initialized; that's where you should do (ly:get-option 'show-last-length) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
style sheet: dynamic {espr, dolce, legato}
As before, I'll collect comments for a few days before sending it to LSR. Style sheet and test case included. Experienced engravers will note that there's tons of "$dynamic $extra" strings in music, and may question the value of listing the most common ones. I have two responses in advance: 1. #(make-dynamic-extra...) is still a useful function. You can ignore all the \fespr commands and simply use the function. 2. This is the list of stuff I've needed (so far), and it'll probably help many new users produce better output. I certainly don't object to people sending me additions to the file; it's pretty obvious how to add something like "ppp dolce espr." if you want. Cheers, - Graham espr-legato.ly Description: Binary data espr-test.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
style sheet: extra dynamics
As before, I'll take comments for a few days before posting this to LSR. Style sheet file and test case included. Cheers, - Graham dynamics-extra.ly Description: Binary data dynamics-test.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: showLastLength as a command-line option?
Thanks for replying, Han-Wen. I can't find showLastLength anywhere in that file, though. Searches for showlast and show-last came up empty. It looks like the file is inside the SCM directory but I can't tell where. Here's the search I did: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.11.59/scm$ cat *.scm | grep -i showlast LENGTHOF(\\showLastLength) ((show-last (ly:parser-lookup parser 'showLastLength))) So it shows that showLastLength is there, but it doesn't say which file it's in (my skills at the shell are such that I don't know how to make it tell me this. Sigh...). Can you tell from this output where it is? Jon Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction to accomplish this great idea?! ;) Would it be possible technically to specify the showLastLength value when invoking lilypond instead of putting it in the .ly file? Something like look at lily.scm to see where the -d options are defined. At some point showLastLength is initialized; that's where you should do (ly:get-option 'show-last-length) -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: showLastLength as a command-line option?
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:18:36PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Thanks for replying, Han-Wen. I can't find showLastLength anywhere in > that file, though. Searches for showlast and show-last came up empty. > It looks like the file is inside the SCM directory but I can't tell > where. Here's the search I did: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.11.59/scm$ cat *.scm | grep > -i showlast > LENGTHOF(\\showLastLength) > ((show-last (ly:parser-lookup parser 'showLastLength))) > > So it shows that showLastLength is there, but it doesn't say which file > it's in (my skills at the shell are such that I don't know how to make > it tell me this. Sigh...). Can you tell from this output where it is? Hi Jon, It's easier than you think. ;-) If scm/ is your working directory, do $ grep showLast * and you'll see that these two lines are in music-functions.scm. HTH, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
