Re: Documentation Review
On di, 2008-09-23 at 23:16 +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/9/23 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We have one on the main page of lilypond.org, but unfortunately it often finds hits in old versions of the documentation first. Hadn't we solved this problem by adding an appropriate robots.txt? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-05/msg00169.html As this mail says: possibly not. So: apparently not. What if we add a version marker to each page, and automagically also add +v2.x.y to the search box? Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Documentation Review
Am Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:14:00 +0200 schrieb Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On di, 2008-09-23 at 23:16 +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/9/23 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We have one on the main page of lilypond.org, but unfortunately it often finds hits in old versions of the documentation first. Hadn't we solved this problem by adding an appropriate robots.txt? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-05/msg00169.html As this mail says: possibly not. So: apparently not. What if we add a version marker to each page, and automagically also add +v2.x.y to the search box? Would this suffice? http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=site%3Alilypond.org+inurl%3Av2.11+blah And the search box should be more prominent, I have two scroll twice before I find it. Suggested Reading: Jakob Nielsen, Designing Web Usability: The Practice of Simplicity Old, but worth reading. Seb. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: increase space between multiple songs
Am Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:56:17 +0200 schrieb Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is this the right way to do it? There's no single right or wrong solution, but if you go to LSR Thanks, then i'm ok with my approach ... But how about the vertical spacing: See here how ugly my music looks with subtitles and lyrics above: http://i33.tinypic.com/mwzjfr.jpg TIA for any hints how to improve that. Sebastian. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
choral sample
Hi - I just downloaded lilypond recently, and am interested in trying out a choral piece. I'm confused about the set-up, though, and none of the samples that you have on your documentation are specifically for choral works. Do you have one handy with one or 2 choral parts (separate staves) AND piano? Thank you - Laura Harvey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: increase space between multiple songs
2008/9/24 Sebastian Menge [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
TIA for any hints how to improve that.
A solution would be to tweak your title markup to give it some
padding; have a look at the padding commands described on
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Graphic-notation-inside-markup
Another solution is to include a spacer in your markup, such as
\center-column { \hspace #0 \hspace #0 My title}
If you're looking for a more elegant way, Nicolas Sceaux has a nice
\vspace function in his scores, which you can see on
http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/
If you have many pieces in your \book, you can also tweak the default
layout for piece titles as described here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00945.html
Cheers,
Valentin
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Re: choral sample
Yes; try looking at the Vocal enembles in the Templates (LM appendix A.4). I suggest you also look at the 2.11 docs, which are much better than the 2.10 docs. Cheers, - Graham On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:01:10 + (UTC) Laura Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi - I just downloaded lilypond recently, and am interested in trying out a choral piece. I'm confused about the set-up, though, and none of the samples that you have on your documentation are specifically for choral works. Do you have one handy with one or 2 choral parts (separate staves) AND piano? Thank you - Laura Harvey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Searching the docs (was: Re: Documentation Review)
Am Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:05:59 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Menge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=site%3Alilypond.org+inurl%3Av2.11+blah Another refinement: Add intitle:Manual or intitle:Reference to search only the manual or the reference. More here: http://www.google.com/help/operators.html Firefox users can add these searches easily as a Keyword Search Engine.: lm blah instead of the URL would search http://www.google.com/search?q=site:lilypond.org+intitle:Manual+inurl:v2.11+blah To configure that, just make a bookmark, replace the search-term by %s and add a keyword like lm. Then Ctrl-T lm something is _very_ quick to search the manual for something ... Seb. PS: the same holds for amazon, news, wikis etc... A quite powerful feature IMHO. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Printing problem with Evince
I noticed that Evince (I have Fedora 8 with Evince 2.20.2) does a lousy job on printing LilyPond scores. It may do a bad job on other prints as well, but the effect on LilyPond scores is dramatic. See for yourself: http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lpev.png . Image left is scanned from a print by Acrobat, the image right is a scan from a print produced by Evince. Both programs printed to the same 600dpi HP Laserjet which involves a Ghostscript filter. This may be a known issue, though I could not find any references to it. -- Johan Chord is alive! http://chordii.sourceforge.net ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: indent in latex
Roman,
perfect, that's it!
Thank you,
Alan
Am 24.09.2008 um 04:23 schrieb Roman Stawski:
Hi,
I integrated a lilypond-file then processed by lilypond-book in latex
and I got an indent as you can see in the attached pdf. The code for
that fragment in latex looks like that:
...
Bestandteil des genannten \textit{Perpetuum Mobile}-Kanons. \\
Hier dann die caption \\
\LilyPonds\lilypondfile[quote,indent=#0,staffsize=12]
{Nymphes_des_boys_2.ly}
Noch einmal zurück zur quintfälligen authentischen Doppelwendung am
Schluss des
...
I tried noindent as well, without any success.
I think that the problem is with the quote argument rather than the
indent.
Try removing that one...
Roman
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Re: Printing problem with Evince
2008/9/24 Johan Vromans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I noticed that Evince (I have Fedora 8 with Evince 2.20.2) does a lousy job on printing LilyPond scores. It may do a bad job on other prints as well, but the effect on LilyPond scores is dramatic. See for yourself: http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lpev.png . Image left is scanned from a print by Acrobat, the image right is a scan from a print produced by Evince. Both programs printed to the same 600dpi HP Laserjet which involves a Ghostscript filter. This may be a known issue, though I could not find any references to it. -- Johan Chord is alive! http://chordii.sourceforge.net I reported the same problem with very similar pictures. This seems to be a fault of the bad rendering Evince does from the thin rounded rectangles that LilyPond makes for barlines. Use kpdf. :-( -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
2008/9/24 Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I reported the same problem with very similar pictures. This seems to be a fault of the bad rendering Evince does from the thin rounded rectangles that LilyPond makes for barlines. Use kpdf. :-( I also posted a bug report for this in the appropiate component, but nobody in the devel team for Evince seems to be willing to investigate it. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
I have only a couple of non-free apps on my Ubuntu machines, and Acrobat Reader is one of them because of this problem. :( Jon p.s. BTW, Apple's Preview also seems to render lilypond-generated .pdf files badly compared to Acrobat Reader. At least when I print them they look terrible from Preview. Francisco Vila wrote: 2008/9/24 Johan Vromans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I noticed that Evince (I have Fedora 8 with Evince 2.20.2) does a lousy job on printing LilyPond scores. It may do a bad job on other prints as well, but the effect on LilyPond scores is dramatic. See for yourself: http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lpev.png . Image left is scanned from a print by Acrobat, the image right is a scan from a print produced by Evince. Both programs printed to the same 600dpi HP Laserjet which involves a Ghostscript filter. This may be a known issue, though I could not find any references to it. -- Johan Chord is alive! http://chordii.sourceforge.net I reported the same problem with very similar pictures. This seems to be a fault of the bad rendering Evince does from the thin rounded rectangles that LilyPond makes for barlines. Use kpdf. :-( -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
see http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg37172.html and others. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/9/24 Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also posted a bug report for this in the appropiate component, but nobody in the devel team for Evince seems to be willing to investigate it. Do you have an URL so I can add some incentive? -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Jonathan Kulp wrote: I have only a couple of non-free apps on my Ubuntu machines, and Acrobat Reader is one of them because of this problem. :( Jon p.s. BTW, Apple's Preview also seems to render lilypond-generated .pdf files badly compared to Acrobat Reader. At least when I print them they look terrible from Preview. Huh? No problems with the latter one here; by now, I only start the Adobe reader for presentations on my Mac (Leopard). Preview is just /way/ faster. On the other hand, I have a printer employing built-in PostScript support (which I, by the way, really recommend for anyone not using Windows exclusively; though you sometimes have to wait for complicated vector drawings, unless you're investing a good amount of money). But also the on-screen rendering of both PDF and PostScript looks absolutely fine even at extreme zoom levels---lines and rounded boxes as well as fonts---, so it might be a problem with your printer driver on Mac? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg37172.html AFAICS (and you can see it on my example pics too) this has nothing to do with the form that evince renders the rounded rectangles that barlines are made from. It looks as if it renders everything with a very low resolution, like an ancient dot matrix printer. -- Johan Chord is alive! http://chordii.sourceforge.net ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Removing bundled LilyPond
I'd like to remove LilyPond 2.10.33, which came bundled with Ubuntu Studio 8.04 and then install 2.11.59. I ran the install shell script and 2.11.59 installed in my home directory fine. However, when I go to use it, the 'lilypond' command still invokes version 2.10.33. I started to remove the old version through synaptic, but it also tries to remove other packages that I want to keep like rosegarden and some others that I think I shouldn't remove. This appears to present me 3 options: 1) Install 2.11.59 via shell script and alter my system so that the command 'lilypond' points to the new installation in my home directory. 2) Uninstall the packages lilypond, rosegarden, ubuntu-studio audio and the others it synaptic says I have to remove if I remove LilyPond so that I may install and use 2.11.59. 3) Continue to use version 2.10.33. The first option seems workable, if there's a way to do it. The latter two options are really not viable, since I may want to use Rosegarden in the future and I would like to take advantage of the newer version of LilyPond. Are there other options that I'm missing? Is there a more correct way to go about this? Also, someone on the Ubuntu Studio user list mentioned making a .deb package for LilyPond that would presumably solve this problem. I've also asked about that in the past on this forum. It would be convenient if one could install LilyPond through a package manager like a lot of other Debian/Ubuntu applications. If I have the time (and I think I do), I would be willing to learn to do this work myself, provided it's within my limited (but hopefully expaning) scope. I would probably only commit to making a package for stable releases though. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? Thanks, Dave - David Stocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thenotesetter.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Removing-bundled-LilyPond-tp19648466p19648466.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
This came up in a thread a little while back. Read here: http://www.archivum.info/lilypond-user@gnu.org/2008-08/msg00725.html Hope it helps... Jon notesetter wrote: I'd like to remove LilyPond 2.10.33, which came bundled with Ubuntu Studio 8.04 and then install 2.11.59. I ran the install shell script and 2.11.59 installed in my home directory fine. However, when I go to use it, the 'lilypond' command still invokes version 2.10.33. I started to remove the old version through synaptic, but it also tries to remove other packages that I want to keep like rosegarden and some others that I think I shouldn't remove. This appears to present me 3 options: 1) Install 2.11.59 via shell script and alter my system so that the command 'lilypond' points to the new installation in my home directory. 2) Uninstall the packages lilypond, rosegarden, ubuntu-studio audio and the others it synaptic says I have to remove if I remove LilyPond so that I may install and use 2.11.59. 3) Continue to use version 2.10.33. The first option seems workable, if there's a way to do it. The latter two options are really not viable, since I may want to use Rosegarden in the future and I would like to take advantage of the newer version of LilyPond. Are there other options that I'm missing? Is there a more correct way to go about this? Also, someone on the Ubuntu Studio user list mentioned making a .deb package for LilyPond that would presumably solve this problem. I've also asked about that in the past on this forum. It would be convenient if one could install LilyPond through a package manager like a lot of other Debian/Ubuntu applications. If I have the time (and I think I do), I would be willing to learn to do this work myself, provided it's within my limited (but hopefully expaning) scope. I would probably only commit to making a package for stable releases though. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? Thanks, Dave - David Stocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thenotesetter.com -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT) notesetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Install 2.11.59 via shell script and alter my system so that the command 'lilypond' points to the new installation in my home directory. Do this. It's as simply as putting $HOME/bin/ in front of /usr/bin/ in your $PATH. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Jonathan Kulp wrote: I haven't looked very far into it. I use Preview for previewing things, because as you say it's very fast, but if I have to print it and make it look good, I use Adobe Reader. It's probably the print driver, because when I zoom in on-screen everything looks great on Preview. Maybe I'll redo the printer setup. Well, than it is strange that the Adobe reader does a better job. Does Adobe rasterize everything before printing by default? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
notesetter wrote: [...] 1) Install 2.11.59 via shell script and alter my system so that the command 'lilypond' points to the new installation in my home directory. Usually it is sufficient to rename the old executable and point a symbolic link to the new one; say you installed the recent version in /home/johndoe/bin/lilypond/, and the default choice is in /usr/bin/, then you have do mv /usr/bin/lilypond /usr/bin/lilypond-2.10.33 ln -s /home/johndoe/bin/lilypond/lilypond /usr/bin/lilypond and every invocation of what was known as /usr/bin/lilypond is redirected to use the new application. However, this assumes you can write on /usr/bin/. Since you seem to be talking about your own machine, this won't be a problem, otherwise the only advisable way is altering the default path settings for your environment to check /home/johndoe/bin/lilypond/ first. The way for this depends on your favorite shell and/or editor, and the settings will apply to this environment only. (This is Graham's solution posted a few minutes ago. Anyway, this may help with other applications, too.) On the other hand, I'm not absolutely sure whether lilypond requires additional paths for, say, scheme scripts or other input files to be set; it's been a while since I did that last time on a linux box. In this case, Graham's approach is the Good Thing to do. Also, someone on the Ubuntu Studio user list mentioned making a .deb package for LilyPond that would presumably solve this problem. I've also asked about that in the past on this forum. It would be convenient if one could install LilyPond through a package manager like a lot of other Debian/Ubuntu applications. If I have the time (and I think I do), I would be willing to learn to do this work myself, provided it's within my limited (but hopefully expaning) scope. I would probably only commit to making a package for stable releases though. Actually, 2.10.33 /is/ the recent stable release, so your Ubuntu is perfectly up to date. For Debian (Maybe Ubuntu too? Never bothered) there is a testing repository, where prerelease versions can be found and installed via the package managers. Anyway, packaging is not an easy process in general; you have to check back several dependencies and possible complications with other packages and system settings. A recent thread showed that the LilyPond people are not even absolutely clear on whether it actually needs a LaTeX distribution or not... And since to don't even have to compile from source, I guess you can calmly use the installer and leave packaging to the maintainers of the distributions for a while. Cheers, Alexander ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Please note that this has nothing to do with actual printing, Evince shows this problem in preview too. I'll pass you an URL of the bug. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
Thanks, Jonathan First, type the command for uninstall. It'll ask you to press enter to proceed. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /usr/local//bin/uninstall-lilypond When I do this, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /usr/local//bin/uninstall-lilypond sudo: /usr/local//bin/uninstall-lilypond: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ But, since I think there was an extra '/' between 'local' and 'bin', [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /usr/local/bin/uninstall-lilypond sudo: /usr/local/bin/uninstall-lilypond: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I think the Ubuntu Studio team left out the uninstall script, probably for some good reason or another. I think I'll try Graham's solution. Thanks for the speedy response. Best, Dave ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Hmm. I changed the print driver to a ps one. That driver wasn't available when I was using the cups interface to hook up to the printer--very limited options for drivers on Mac's cups system--but once the printer was installed that way I was able to reconfigure using the regular OSX interface. I printed a page from Preview and it looks great. :) I know I was using a ps driver when I got fuzzy edges, though, because I printed an orchestral score on 11x17 paper, and I'm certain that I set that printer up using a ps driver--it's the only one in our dept. that handles 11x17 paper, and I always set it up with care. I don't even recall now whether I was using Preview or Acrobat when I printed the big score, but you can see all kinds of fuzzy edges if you look closely. Maybe I need to specify a higher resolution when running Lilypond on this file? The global staff size is set to 16. Do you think this is why it could be printing with fuzzy edges? Doesn't seem likely but I suppose it's possible... Jon Alexander Kobel wrote: Jonathan Kulp wrote: I haven't looked very far into it. I use Preview for previewing things, because as you say it's very fast, but if I have to print it and make it look good, I use Adobe Reader. It's probably the print driver, because when I zoom in on-screen everything looks great on Preview. Maybe I'll redo the printer setup. Well, than it is strange that the Adobe reader does a better job. Does Adobe rasterize everything before printing by default? -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
Thanks, Graham Graham Percival wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT) notesetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Install 2.11.59 via shell script and alter my system so that the command 'lilypond' points to the new installation in my home directory. Do this. It's as simply as putting $HOME/bin/ in front of /usr/bin/ in your $PATH. Cheers, - Graham By '$HOME', I assume you mean the path of my local home directory. By the way, what is my $PATH? Where do I find it and how may I alter it? (I'm still new, but learning every day) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
Hello. Usually it is sufficient to rename the old executable and point a symbolic link to the new one; say you installed the recent version in /home/johndoe/bin/lilypond/, and the default choice is in /usr/bin/, then you have do mv /usr/bin/lilypond /usr/bin/lilypond-2.10.33 ln -s /home/johndoe/bin/lilypond/lilypond /usr/bin/lilypond This is not to be recommended as it interferes with the distribution's package management and will break at some point (e.g. next upgrade). Gilles ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Hmm. I changed the print driver to a ps one. That driver wasn't available when I was using the cups interface to hook up to the printer--very limited options for drivers on Mac's cups system--but once the printer was installed that way I was able to reconfigure using the regular OSX interface. I printed a page from Preview and it looks great. :) I'd be surprised if it has been otherwise. :-) [...] Maybe I need to specify a higher resolution when running Lilypond on this file? The global staff size is set to 16. Do you think this is why it could be printing with fuzzy edges? Doesn't seem likely but I suppose it's possible... First, as far as I know there is no way to set the resolution for PDF or PostScript output. On the other hand, this is because it does not matter for vector drawings (which are used by LilyPond) anyway. IIRC, PDF uses like 32bit resolution on the positioning and size of objects, and this exceeds by far what you're able to distinguish on a printout. If there's a single program on this planet allowing you to get the correct view at a high zoom level from the document, it's up to the printing driver or rendering engine of your viewer. Generally, you only have to bother with resolution settings unless you have any rasterized part in your output (embedded PNG or something). ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Well, I've figured out my problem on Mac, anyway. I had the same printer installed twice but with different drivers (one bad) and I had chosen the wrong instance from the dropdown menu. I've deleted the bad one and now printouts look lovely from either Preview or Acrobat. :) Jon Francisco Vila wrote: Please note that this has nothing to do with actual printing, Evince shows this problem in preview too. I'll pass you an URL of the bug. -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
David Stocker wrote: I think the Ubuntu Studio team left out the uninstall script, probably for some good reason or another. Yes, because if something was installed by the package manager, it has to be uninstalled via the same means -- otherwise your package manager's dependency resolution system could break horribly. :-) I think I'll try Graham's solution. Thanks for the speedy response. I have been considering in the back of my mind whether it might be nice to set up Launchpad PPA's to offer Ubuntu/Debian packages of the latest stable and development Lilypond. Since I've also never been involved in packaging before, I'm loath to commit to such a thing -- but what does everyone think of the idea in principle? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
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Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
By '$HOME', I assume you mean the path of my local home directory. By
the way, what is my $PATH? Where do I find it and how may I alter it?
HOME and PATH are so-called environment variables.
You can change them in the initialization files of your shell (command-line
interpreter). Which file depends on which shell you use: Try the command
echo $SHELL to find out.
If it is bash, you can add something like the following lines in the
.bash_profile file in your home directory [1]:
#---CUT---
# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
PATH=~/bin:${PATH}
fi
#---CUT---
Best,
Gilles
[1] You must log in again for the change to take effect.
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notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Guitar music has a lot of this stuff:
\relative c' {
{g'16 d' b d}
\\
{g,4}
}
where the G in the top part lines up with the G in the bottom and they
share the same notehead; exactly as expected and wanted.
However in this:
\relative c' {
\time 3/8
{g'8 b d}
\\
{g,4.}
}
the dotted-quarter in the bottom is offset to the right,
counter-intuitively (to me at least)
In the past I've worked around it with this:
\relative c' {
\time 3/8
{g'8 b d}
\\
\override NoteHead #'X-offset = #-1.6
\override Stem #'X-offset = #-1.6
{g,4.}
}
but then i have to keep switching back with \revert NoteHead #'X-offset
\revert Stem #'X-offset plus I'm just eyeballing and guessing at a good
offset value .
This can't be the right approach. Is there something in the manual I've
missed? And how come the different behavior in the 2 examples?
Thanks. - PS the quickest way to visualize the above is at
http://draft.wikilily.org/wiki/index.php/User:Mike_Blackstock#Sandbox
-Mike
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Re: notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Hi Mike, Is there something in the manual I've missed? merge-differently-dotted merge-differently-headed HTH! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Ah, I see... so it's the dotted note that makes the difference in the 2 examples. Makes sense. I guess i didn't think of looking under 'Collision Resolution'. Thanks! Incidentally Kieren are you related to Keith and/or Edward? Keith was the Chairman of the music dept. at Ottawa U when I was there. Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Mike, Is there something in the manual I've missed? merge-differently-dotted merge-differently-headed HTH! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Mike Blackstock wrote: Incidentally Kieren are you related to Keith and/or Edward? Keith was the Chairman of the music dept. at Ottawa U when I was there. Well if you are my apologies - it's 'Ernest' not 'Edward' of course. M. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:48:32AM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: I have only a couple of non-free apps on my Ubuntu machines, and Acrobat Reader is one of them because of this problem. :( As someone else suggested, try kpdf, or use xpdf, which is what I use. xpdf is not really a modern GUI application, but I always use it from the command-line anyway. When zoomed out sometimes it causes little gaps between stems and noteheads, but it prints fine and shows up properly at reasonable zoom levels. Usually for printing I just give the PDF to lp, which is the command-line client for CUPS. (Ubuntu uses CUPS by default, I believe.) I've never had any problems. -- “I like talking to Rabbit. He talks about sensible things. He doesn't use long, difficult words, like Owl. He uses short, easy words, like ‘What about lunch?’ and ‘Help yourself, Pooh.’ I suppose, really, I ought to go and see Rabbit.” A. A. Milne, ‘The House at Pooh Corner’ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
2008/9/24 Daniel Hulme [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Usually for printing I just give the PDF to lp, which is the command-line client for CUPS. (Ubuntu uses CUPS by default, I believe.) I've never had any problems. Good idea, one always trends to print from the same app he is viewing the document on, but if you have launched the viewer from command line, printing from command line as well is even faster. I continue using evince as gnome standard viewer in Ubuntu, but have tried lp file and prints with no problem. This solves the issue for me; this behaviour about bar lines is an ugly bug, and not fixed, though. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please note that this has nothing to do with actual printing, Evince shows this problem in preview too. Yes, indeed. I'll pass you an URL of the bug. Thanks! -- Johan Chord is alive! http://chordii.sourceforge.net ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: choral sample
Laura Harvey wrote:
Hi - I just downloaded lilypond recently, and am interested in trying out a
choral piece. I'm confused about the set-up, though, and none of the samples
that you have on your documentation are specifically for choral works. Do you
have one handy with one or 2 choral parts (separate staves) AND piano?
This is probably overkill but will surely show you everything you want
to do. Compiling with lilypond generates soprano, alto, tenor, and bass
parts, a choral part, a piano reduction part, and various midi parts so
people can listen to their part.
Patrick
Thank you -
Laura Harvey
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#(set-global-staff-size 18)
\header {
filename =o_magnum_mysterium.ly
title = O Magnum Mysterium
poet =from Matins of Christmas
subtitle =for mixed chorus, a cappella
instrument = Four Part Voice
opus =
composer =Tomás Luis de Victoria (1549-1611)
date = 1572
mutopiatitle = O Magnum Mysterium
mutopiacomposer = VictoriaTLd
mutopiapoet = from Matins of Christmas
mutopiainstrument = Voice
source = Arista Edition
style = Renaissance
copyright = Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0
typesetter = Jeff Covey Patrick Horgan
maintainer = Jeff Covey Patrick Horgan
maintainerEmail = jeff.covey at pobox dot com patrick at dbp-consulting
dot com
maintainerWeb = http://jeffcovey.net/;
% brought up to 2.11.49 and minor edits by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
% put 2.10.33 in as version just because 2.11 is development and not out yet.
lastupdated = 2008/06/30
footer = Mutopia-2008/06/30-244
tagline = \markup {
\override #'(box-padding . 1.0)
\override #'(baseline-skip . 2.7)
\box \center-align {
\small \line {
Sheet music from \with-url #http://www.MutopiaProject.org; \line {
\teeny www. \hspace #-1.0 MutopiaProject \hspace #-1.0 \teeny .org
\hspace #0.5
}
ââ¬Â¢ \hspace #0.5
\italic Free to download, with the \italic freedom to distribute,
modify and perform.
}
\line {
\small \line {
Typeset using \with-url #http://www.LilyPond.org; \line {
\teeny www. \hspace #-1.0 LilyPond \hspace #-1.0 \teeny .org
} by \typesetter \hspace #-1.0 . \hspace #0.5 Reference: \footer
}
}
\line {
\teeny \line {
This sheet music has been placed in the public domain by the
typesetter,
for details see: \hspace #-0.5
\with-url #http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain;
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain
}
}
}
}
}
%{ thanks to jcn for all the help on this one! :) %}
\version 2.11.49
global = {
\transpose f e
\key f \minor
\tempo 4 = 110
\time 4/4
\compressFullBarRests
\override MultiMeasureRest #'expand-limit = 3
\skip 1*39 \bar ||
\skip 1*13 \bar || \time 3/4
\skip 2.*14 \bar || \time 4/4
\skip 1*8 \bar |.
}
sopranoMelody = \relative c'' {
\clef violin
c1 f,2 c' ~ c4 c des des c2 r4
f des ees f4. f8 f4 c des c ~
( c8[ bes aes g aes bes c aes] bes[ aes] aes[ g16 f] g2 ~ g ) f
% 10
a1 bes2 a4. ( bes8 c4 )
des4. ( c8 bes4 ~ bes a ) bes ( aes8 [ g ] f4 ) g aes2
% 15
r4 f' des ees f4. f8 f4 des bes c des4. des8 des4 c4. bes8 bes4 ( ~ bes
a ) bes2
% 20
r1 r4 des4 c4. a8 bes4 c des bes des4. des8 des4 des c2 c
% 25
a4 c c4. c8 c4 d ees2 des?4 ( c8[ bes ] c2 des ) c r1
% 30
r4 f, bes2 aes4 f g ( a ) bes4. ( c8 des!4 ) des c2 r r1
% 35
r4 bes ees2 des4 bes c d ees4. ( des8 [ c bes ] bes4 ~
bes a8 [ g ] a4 ) a bes2 r
% 40
a2. a4 a2 bes a4. ( bes8 c4 des ~ des8 [ c ] c4. bes8 bes4 )
c a2 a4 bes4. bes8 bes2
% 46
r4 bes4. ( c8 [ des bes ] c4 ) f ees2 des4 f ees c
des4. ( c8 [ bes aes ] aes [ g16 f ]
% 50
g4 ) g f c' ~ c aes2 des4 ( ~ des8 [ c ] bes2 a4 )
% 53 3/4 time starts here
bes2 des4 c2 a4 bes4. aes?8 ( [ bes c] ) des4 c2
des2 bes4 aes2 f4 g4. f8 ( [ g aes] )
% 60
bes2 a4 bes2. r4 r ees des4. ( c8 [ des bes ]
c4 ) aes8 ( [ bes c des ] ) ees2 ees4 des4 f2
% 67 back to 4/4 time
f1 r4 f f8 ( [ ees des c ] bes4 ) ees4. ( des8 [ c bes ]
a4 bes2 a4 ) bes1 ~ bes ~ bes ~ bes
}
altoMelody = \relative c' {
\clef violin
r1 r2 f2 ~ f bes, f'2. f4 ges ges f2 r4
f des ees f4. f8 f4 c des f2 ( e8 [ d ] e2 ) f
% 10
f1 f2 f4. ( g8 aes?4 ) aes, bes4. ( c8 des4 ) c bes
f' f ees c4. c8
% 15
c4 des4. c8 bes4 ( ~ bes a ) bes
bes' f aes aes4. aes8 aes2 f4 ges4 f2 f ~
% 20
f2 r2 r4 bes aes4. f8 g4 a bes f f4. f8 f4 g aes2 g
% 25
Re: Printing problem with Evince
Daniel Hulme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As someone else suggested, try kpdf, or use xpdf, which is what I use. xpdf is not really a modern GUI application, but I always use it from the command-line anyway. I use gv, which is ancient but bloody fast. And yes, printing from the command line works like a charm as well. It is just evince that screws up the printing. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: style sheet: dynamic {espr, dolce, legato}
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 23. September 2008 schrieb Mark Polesky: - Original Message From: Graham Percival address.hidden Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:12:56 AM I did my horizontal placement can be done with #:translate. What snippet are you thinking of? I didn't realize there was enough material to make an exhaustive study of the subject. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/lsr/lilypond-snippets/Tweaks-and-overri des#horizontally-aligning-custom-dynamics-e.g.-sempre-pp,-piu-f,-subito-p.ly The one tricky thing is the horizontal placement: for things like mf dolce, I wanted the mf aligned with the notehead. For something like sub p, should the p be aligned with the notehead, or should the sub be aligned? The above-mentioned snippet argues that the dynamic should be aligned with the notehead, Yes, for a sempre pp that's what both an old engraving from 189x and one from 1996 do. Actually, one instrument has a p and all others have sempre pp. The p and pp are aligned with each other. not the italic-text, but intuitively that seems wrong to me. Perhaps it depends on the specific circumstance, but I'm thinking of something like poco a poco più f. As a musician, I'd start poco a poco-ing as soon as the first word starts -- I wouldn't wait till the f. True, but then poco a poco is probably a bad example, as for me the poco a poco-ing starts with the text, so you definitely shouldn't align the f on the note (since the f does not affect the note, but it gradually evolved a few notes later) Imagine a subito pp. If you are sight-reading such a mark, it's really easy to miss the fact that the pp should start immedately at the spot where subito is placed. That said, I wonder what the treatises have to say on the topic (eg. Gardner Read etc.). Gardner Read is quiet on such dynamics with additional comments. However, here's what he says in general about dynamic markings (p.252): In general, dynamic marks should be placed //as close as possible// to the notes they affect -- if this position is consistent with over-all visual clarity. Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2suDTqjEwhXvPN0RApPxAKCotHV25Cz/UNCXQZGfL6qUooAabgCgkVRM PbADZp49FgozGRg+yJ7fncw= =T0Ly -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2008 schrieb Alexander Kobel: On the other hand, I'm not absolutely sure whether lilypond requires additional paths for, say, scheme scripts or other input files to be set; No, the --relocate command-line option passed in the ~/bin/lilypond will take care of this and tell lilypond that it should not look into the default pathes, but check directories relative to the actual lilypond binary. A recent thread showed that the LilyPond people are not even absolutely clear on whether it actually needs a LaTeX distribution or not... ;-) Well, in general lilypond does not need a latex distribution. However, lilypond-book needs it when called with a latex file (which is not the most typical use of lilypond). Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2tA9TqjEwhXvPN0RAjRZAJ9X11cyTDEz+xClcUTOVnlUVZ6R7wCgoEvW R/yj6v+YRnzceiouBWZjxrY= =qv3k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2008 schrieb David Stocker: I think the Ubuntu Studio team left out the uninstall script, probably for some good reason or another. Yes, since you are using a packaged version, uninstallation should also not be done manually, but using the packaging system. Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2tCDTqjEwhXvPN0RAqopAJ0QZjBiURBZlzfUFQuw/UW/cUMUpgCg3lel qGhx9CE9sxYUh/pDE7YLIWc= =seIs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: style sheet: dynamic {espr, dolce, legato}
Hi all, The one tricky thing is the horizontal placement: for things like mf dolce, I wanted the mf aligned with the notehead. For something like sub p, should the p be aligned with the notehead, or should the sub be aligned? The above-mentioned snippet argues that the dynamic should be aligned with the notehead, Yes, for a sempre pp that's what both an old engraving from 189x and one from 1996 do. Actually, one instrument has a p and all others have sempre pp. The p and pp are aligned with each other. Just my 2¢ as a composer (and obsessive-compulsive engraver): Whenever possible, I use (e.g.) pp sempre instead of sempre pp — that way, the left edge of the dynamic itself (as opposed to the modifier) can be aligned with the beat it belongs to, and the modifier trails into the music it belongs to. I find it's more consistent, easier to sight-read, and takes away one more decision in the engraving process. Imagine a subito pp. If you are sight-reading such a mark, it's really easy to miss the fact that the pp should start immedately at the spot where subito is placed. Precisely. HTH! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Hi Mike, Incidentally Kieren are you related to Keith and/or Edward? Keith was the Chairman of the music dept. at Ottawa U when I was there. Well if you are my apologies - it's 'Ernest' not 'Edward' of course. I believe I saw both of them in a genealogy report years ago… but it's a pretty distant relationship, IIRC. =) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Removing bundled LilyPond
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2008 schrieb notesetter: I'd like to remove LilyPond 2.10.33, which came bundled with Ubuntu Studio 8.04 and then install 2.11.59. I ran the install shell script and 2.11.59 installed in my home directory fine. However, when I go to use it, the 'lilypond' command still invokes version 2.10.33. I started to remove the old version through synaptic, but it also tries to remove other packages that I want to keep like rosegarden and some others that I think I shouldn't remove. This appears to present me 3 options: 1) Install 2.11.59 via shell script and alter my system so that the command 'lilypond' points to the new installation in my home directory. That's what I do when compiling the git version: - -) In ~/.bashrc add ~/.bin or ~/bin (or whatever you prefer for your user-owned scripts) to the path: export PATH=~/.bin:$PATH - -) In that directory, create an executable file lilypond with the contents: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat ~/.bin/lilypond #!/bin/sh exec ~/lilypond/lilypond/out/bin/lilypond --relocate $@ I suppose the lilypond installation already takes care of the second thing, so all you need to do is to properly prepend the path to the PATH shell variable. Note that the order is important, so you have to prepend the ~/.bin (like you see above). In contrast, if you use PATH=$PATH:~/.bin, then the shell will look into the system-wide pathes first and again find the installed 2.10 before your self-installed 2.11 version. Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer * Chorvereinigung Jung-Wien, http://www.jung-wien.at/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2s81TqjEwhXvPN0RAk/VAJ9WfWbZlvVynIAoCKYI4gXzEuoDPQCgjxPU Rxosmvm2MKtx4CnfVFrYCg8= =gM9M -END PGP SIGNATURE- Well, I was all geared up to try one of these modifications to the .bashrc file when I mistyped and messed up my $PATH. To make a long story short, I fixed the .bashrc file but in the process, I discovered something: When I used the 2.11.59 install shell script, and then logged off and logged in again to test the new $PATH (and found that I had fouled it up with a typo); after restoring the original .bashrc file and then entering 'lilypond -v' just to check that my $PATH was fixed, it returned version 2.11.59. So I uninstalled it, logged off and then on again and entered 'lilypond -v' once again, which returned version 2.10.33. I then ran the install shell script again, logged off and logged on, entered 'lilypond -v' again and this time it returned version 2.11.59. Keep in mind, I've made no changes to .bashrc or my $PATH. Conclusion: I needed only to log off and back on after installing the new version in order to call it from the command line. Ubuntu Studio Hardy or LilyPond made the necessary adjustments to invoke the new version of LilyPond. Version 2.10.33 is still installed, and if I want to revert, all I have to do is run the uninstall-lilypond script to remove 2.11.59. I hope this saves others from this particular sequence of events. Thanks to all for your thoughtful replies. I'm absorbing your comments and suggestions for future use. Peace, Dave ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: -dpreview without headers
When running lilypond with the switches -dpreview -dno-print-pages is there any way to stop the page headers printing from the command line, so that I just get the first line of music? OK, -dhelp lists the solution. -dpreview -dno-print-pages -dno-include-book-title-preview ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Ubuntu install of Lilypond
Hi guys (again...) I tried to fix the augmentation-dots-on-lines problem by upgrading lilypond, a la http://www.archivum.info/lilypond-user@gnu.org/2008-08/msg00725.html. I uninstalled Lilypond ok, but when I go to execute the .sh script and type in sudo sh lilypond-2.11.59-1.linux-x86.sh, the terminal comes up with sh: Can't open lilypond-2.11.59-1.linux-x86.sh... What do I do now? Seeing as I uninstalled my older version before trying to install this one, until I get this fixed I don't actually have a working version of Lilypond on my system. Thanks George -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ubuntu-install-of-Lilypond-tp19663332p19663332.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
