RE: Slides (Was Problems with em dash)

[Nick Payne]

Neil

Thanks. I've filed your code away for future use. I'd already coded it the 
other way - rearranged the few chords that needed it so that the notes between 
which I wanted the slide appeared last in the chord <...> construct, and for 
the two chords where I needed to indicate a 2nd slide I used another voice with 
hidden notes.

Nick

> -Original Message-
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> Hi Nick,
> 
> 2008/11/13 Nick Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > To do the same for the lower voice which contains chords at the point
> where I
> > want these indications, I'll guess have to create a hidden voice or
> voices
> > to which to attach the glissando.
> 
> As an alternative, you could use \tweak to set the fingering text;
> it's inserted between the note and the fingering:
> 
> \relative c' {
>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
>   
>   
>   e-\tweak #'text #(markup #:concat (#:rotate 5 "—" "1"))-1 g>
> }
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Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[guysnape]

I've just got Lilypond working, I want to use it to print some music reading
practice sheets for my son who is learning piano. Is it possible to produce
a page containing the following?

A text instruction (e.g. "Write the note name underneath each note")

A staff with notes on it with an underscore character or two exactly under
each note (I guess treating them as lyrics), leaving sufficient space for
the letter name to be written.

Another text instruction ("Put the correct note above each letter")

A blank staff with letter names evenly spaced underneath (or between the
treble and bass staves).

Any guidance gratefully received.

Thanks,

- guy


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RE: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Slattery, Tim - BLS]

> > it sits for almost 50 seconds, apparently doing NOTHING. Then it
wakes 
> > up and processes the file. It's still usable, but it sure slows
things 
> > down.
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> just to be sure: which 2.11 version are you referring to?

It's 2.10.33

> (and have you deleted the fontconfig cache before installing it?)

Don't know what that is.

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pdf file

[Naomy Gaudet]

i just installed lilypond and i cant get the pdf 
file
 
naomy
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jedit/lilypond tool/surround text

[northofscotland]

The excellent free Notetab program has available a useful feature to enclose
selected text in a pair of characters - brackets etc.

I have often felt this feature would be useful when using lilypond tool to
put in slurs etc after typing music.  Does anyone know of a simple
addon/macro or whatever that would facilitate this?
Thanks
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Re: pdf file

[Dominic Neumann]

Hi Naomy,

please explain what you did to produce a pdf file. If you don´t know
what to do, the Learning Manual is a good starting point:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/index

Dominic

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> i just installed lilypond and i cant get the pdf file
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Re: Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[Joseph Haig]

2008/11/12 guysnape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I've just got Lilypond working, I want to use it to print some music reading
> practice sheets for my son who is learning piano. Is it possible to produce
> a page containing the following?
>
> A text instruction (e.g. "Write the note name underneath each note")
>

I would do this with lilypond-book:

  

It is almost certainly possible to do this without lilypond-book but I
have never had reason to do it so I don't know how.

> A staff with notes on it with an underscore character or two exactly under
> each note (I guess treating them as lyrics), leaving sufficient space for
> the letter name to be written.
>

I haven't tried it, but you should be able to do this with lyrics.
The only slight complication is that - and _ are special characters
and I don't know how you would display a dash underneath a note rather
than between syllables.  It might work if you put them in quotes - eg:

\addlyrics { "_" "_" "_" "_" }

> Another text instruction ("Put the correct note above each letter")
>
> A blank staff with letter names evenly spaced underneath (or between the
> treble and bass staves).

I think this will do what you want:

  

The hidden notes will be treated as any other notes, so you can add
the names underneath as lyrics.

Hope this helps,

Joe


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Lighter appearance

[Johan Vromans]

Hi,

While comparing the LilyPond gegerated output with the output of a
competitor program, I noticed that the LP outout is much 'heavier'.

See e.g., http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lilsib.jpg .

The top line is from LilyPond, the bottom line is from a Sibelius
printout. I think the larger noteheads in combination with the thinner
lines make the score easier to read.

Is there a set of settings to make LP output lighter? Setting 

  line-thickness = \staff-space / 16

seems a good start, but I assume there's more to it.

-- Johan


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Re: fontconfig caches

[Bailey James E .]

Ah, that's a bit closer. I have fonts.conf in /usr/local/etc/fonts/  
but it tells me that editing it would be pointless, since it will be  
overwritten the next time the fontconfig cache is built, and I should  
instead use local.conf. I assumed I could just add local.conf to my ~/ 
etc/fonts/, and that the lilypond fonts.conf would be sufficient for  
my new local.conf. Unfortunately, I still get the fontconfig cache  
built in each directory I run lilypond in. I thought maybe because  
normal users don't usually have access to write to /usr/local/ that  
might be a problem, but even when I have fontconfig write the default  
cache to ~/etc/fonts/ it rebuilds the font cache in the working  
directory, and I even tried making myself an administrator, but that  
didn't help either. Ah well, at its longest, rebuilding the cache  
takes 10 seconds. I can live with that once per directory. I just wish  
I didn't have the annoying NONE/ all the time.


Am 13.11.2008 um 20:25 schrieb Patrick McCarty:


Hi James,

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Bailey James E.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
what am I looking for? I don't have /etc/fontconfig. BTW, I'm using  
osx 10.5

and I build lilypond from sources.


The location of my fontconfig configuration file is

/etc/fonts/fonts.conf

This is on a GNU/Linux system.

Built from source, and installed as a local user in $HOME/usr, my
fontconfig cache resides in ~/.fontconfig.

HTH,
Patrick




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Re: jedit/lilypond tool/surround text

[Martial]

hello

JeDit/LilyPondTool

menu Utilities
Global Options

in the pan left : Jedit
select shortcuts

in pan right at the top
select  All or Plugin: lilyPondTool

bellow
column Command
select and clic on  Braces {} - Braces > {}
enter with the keypad, your prefered key (I put F2)


regards
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The excellent free Notetab program has available a useful feature to 
enclose selected text in a pair of characters - brackets etc. Does

anyone know of a simple addon/macro or whatever that would facilitate
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Re: Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[Mats Bengtsson]

It's easy to mix text instructions with staves, see 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Multiple-scores-in-a-book#Multiple-scores-in-a-book

For the other questions, I guess you have already received an answer.

  /Mats

guysnape wrote:

I've just got Lilypond working, I want to use it to print some music reading
practice sheets for my son who is learning piano. Is it possible to produce
a page containing the following?

A text instruction (e.g. "Write the note name underneath each note")

A staff with notes on it with an underscore character or two exactly under
each note (I guess treating them as lyrics), leaving sufficient space for
the letter name to be written.

Another text instruction ("Put the correct note above each letter")

A blank staff with letter names evenly spaced underneath (or between the
treble and bass staves).

Any guidance gratefully received.

Thanks,

- guy


  


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Re: Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[Jonathan Kulp]

I've put together a quick sample of how this could work.  I'm doing this 
sort of thing with my counterpoint workbook at the moment and 
lilypond-book is excellent for it.


Two source files are attached, a .lytex and a .ly.  The .lytex file 
links to the .ly file, so be sure to put them in the same directory 
before you run it.  I think it will work without any extra LaTeX 
packages.  Just follow the instructions in Application Usage for running 
lilypond-book and it should work fine:


http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-program/LilyPond_002dbook#LilyPond_002dbook

I've also attached the pdf file showing the final result.

Good luck to you (and your son!),

Jon

Joseph Haig wrote:

2008/11/12 guysnape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I've just got Lilypond working, I want to use it to print some music reading
practice sheets for my son who is learning piano. Is it possible to produce
a page containing the following?

A text instruction (e.g. "Write the note name underneath each note")



I would do this with lilypond-book:

  

It is almost certainly possible to do this without lilypond-book but I
have never had reason to do it so I don't know how.


A staff with notes on it with an underscore character or two exactly under
each note (I guess treating them as lyrics), leaving sufficient space for
the letter name to be written.



I haven't tried it, but you should be able to do this with lyrics.
The only slight complication is that - and _ are special characters
and I don't know how you would display a dash underneath a note rather
than between syllables.  It might work if you put them in quotes - eg:

\addlyrics { "_" "_" "_" "_" }


Another text instruction ("Put the correct note above each letter")

A blank staff with letter names evenly spaced underneath (or between the
treble and bass staves).


I think this will do what you want:

  

The hidden notes will be treated as any other notes, so you can add
the names underneath as lyrics.

Hope this helps,

Joe


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\version "2.11.64"

\paper {
ragged-right = ##f
}

notes = \relative c' { 
c d e f 
\override NoteHead #'transparent = ##t
\override Stem #'transparent = ##t
a b c d
}



lines = \lyricmode { "___" "___" "___" "___" A B C D }

\score {
  \context Staff = "staff" { \notes }
  \addlyrics { \lines }
}
\documentclass[12pt,oneside,letterpaper]{article}

% the package "amsmath" allows binomials, which look like time signatures with
% parentheses around them. Setspace allows you to set line spacing in specific
% environments.

% the package hyperref puts bookmark links in the document
% when it's converted to .pdf format.  Nice!
% \usepackage{hyperref}

%\linespread{1.15}
\author{Author}

\title{\Title}

% BEGIN DOCUMENT %%
\begin{document}
%\maketitle

% NOTE RECOGNITION %

\section{Note Recognition}

Please write the correct note name for each note in the spaces given below. 
Where note names are given, write the pitches on the staff.

\begin{center}
\lilypondfile[noindent,staffsize=24]{note-names.ly}
\end{center}

\end{document}



note-test.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
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Re: Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[Bailey James E.]

Am 12.11.2008 um 13:49 schrieb guysnape:



I've just got Lilypond working, I want to use it to print some music  
reading
practice sheets for my son who is learning piano. Is it possible to  
produce

a page containing the following?

A text instruction (e.g. "Write the note name underneath each note")

A staff with notes on it with an underscore character or two exactly  
under
each note (I guess treating them as lyrics), leaving sufficient  
space for

the letter name to be written.

Another text instruction ("Put the correct note above each letter")

A blank staff with letter names evenly spaced underneath (or between  
the

treble and bass staves).

Any guidance gratefully received.

Thanks,

- guy


Certainly, \markup blocks can be written outside of a \score block. So  
you could create a simple file like:

\paper { ragged-right=##f indent = 0 }
\layout { \context { \Score \remove Bar_engraver } }
\markup "Write the note name underneath each note"
\score {
   <<
  \new Staff \new Voice = practice \relative c' { c2 d e f g a b  
c }

  \new Lyrics \lyricsto practice \lyricmode { _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ }
   >>
}

\markup "Put the correct note above each letter"
\score {
   <<
  \new Staff \new Voice = practice \relative c' { \hideNotes c2 d  
e f g a b c }

  \new Lyrics \lyricsto practice \lyricmode { C D E F G A B C }
   >>
}



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Re: Lighter appearance

[Bailey James E.]

While I'm sure there is, I'll say that lilypond's heavier look is  
intentional (see http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/typography-features) 
. I'll say that the lighter look of the scores produced by most other  
programs makes them almost impossible for me to read, at the very  
least difficult.


Regardless, I would suggest re-reading through LM 4 Tweaking output  
and NR 5 Changing defaults. How to go about making those changes is  
discussed there.


Am 14.11.2008 um 17:09 schrieb Johan Vromans:


Hi,

While comparing the LilyPond gegerated output with the output of a
competitor program, I noticed that the LP outout is much 'heavier'.

See e.g., http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lilsib.jpg .

The top line is from LilyPond, the bottom line is from a Sibelius
printout. I think the larger noteheads in combination with the thinner
lines make the score easier to read.

Is there a set of settings to make LP output lighter? Setting

 line-thickness = \staff-space / 16

seems a good start, but I assume there's more to it.

-- Johan


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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Trevor Daniels]

Patrick McCarty wrote Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:34 PM


On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


I don't understand the technical issues, but on Vista
the fonts are contained in ~\.lilypond-fonts.cache-2.
(To see these make sure you have the options set in
Windows Explorer to Show hidden file and folders.)
This should contain a number of smaller files (>=2)
and one large file, c. 800Kb on my system.  Check the
date/time the large file was last modified.  It should
only be changed infrequently (I don't know what triggers
it.)  If it changes on every LP run, then this is the cause
of the slowness.  Two of the smaller files should be rebuilt
on the first run after a new install, which causes the
this first run to take more time, around 20 secs more,
than subsequent runs.


I just installed GUB builds of 2.11.63 on Windows XP and x86
GNU/Linux, and the cache folder has the same name on both of these
systems.  After the first run, 15 cache files are created on
GNU/Linux, and 3 are created on Windows XP.  And exactly one of these
cache files is significantly larger than the others (163Kb on
GNU/Linux, and 169Kb on Windows XP), just as you have said.

However, on second and subsequent runs, the timestamp on the large
cache file updates each time on Windows XP.  This does not happen for
me on GNU/Linux.

This seems to be the reason behind the slightly "delayed" start after
every invocation of LilyPond on Windows XP.  lilypond --verbose shows
the delay happening at the "Building font database." step.  The delay
on GNU/Linux is non-existent.

Is the large cache file being rebuilt mistakenly (on some Windows 
systems)?


Yes; that is the problem exactly.  Every other case of slowness on Windows,
both XP and Vista, which has been examined closely has resulted in the
same conclusion.  The question is, what causes it to happen?

Trevor




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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Trevor Daniels]

Simon Dahlbacka wrote Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:59 PM


The problem is that the problem is often hard to diagnose and
reproduce without having the afflicted machine at hand.  In general,
my takeaway from it is that shipping software on top of Windows is a
religious experience. You can never be sure that it works, so you have
to pray a lot.



Fwiw, one way to diagnose on an affected machine is to have process 
monitor

(http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx) running
while performing the problematic operation.


This is certainly an impressive program monitor!

After that, it is "just" a matter of wading through a humongous amont of 
log

messages :)


It's not so bad - there's a very capable filtering aid available.

I can see what happens on a system that's working correctly,
but I don't have access to an afflicted system at the moment.

Trevor




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Re: Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[Bailey James E .]

Sorry, totally forgot that _ has to be enclosd in quotes to show up.  
May bad.



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Re: Absolute newbie: how do I ... ?

[Bailey James E .]

and that the Bar_engraver lives in the Staff, not Score context. Gosh,  
I must be asleep.



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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Trevor Daniels]

Jonathan Kulp wrote Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:30 PM

Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


Trevor is correct.  Every instance of lilypond slowness was caused by
fontconfig caches.  The problem is that there are a bazillion of
windows versions; I'm not talking about XP vs. Vista but rather
distinctions in minor version numbers, and perhaps changes that vendor
do on top of that.  For some versions, the fontconfig cache ends up
not getting written (permission problems?) or getting recreated all
the time.

Once LilyPond has the font caches computed correctly, running times
should differ little between windows, linux and mac.

The problem is that the problem is often hard to diagnose and
reproduce without having the afflicted machine at hand.  In general,
my takeaway from it is that shipping software on top of Windows is a
religious experience. You can never be sure that it works, so you have
to pray a lot.



Ok I just booted back into Vista and checked the fontconfig cache's time 
and date stamp, then ran my test lilypond file.  The fontconfig cache was 
rebuilt.  The date/time stamp changed to today's date and time.  I ran the 
file again, the cache was rebuilt again.  First time took about 90 
seconds, second time 70 seconds.  On my son's laptop (a Dell that's about 
4 years old) there's a partition with XP and it ran the test file in about 
10 seconds, which is still slower than the 2-3 seconds it takes under 
Ubuntu Linux on the same laptop.


So, is there a way to tell the machine where the fontconfig cache file is 
so that it doesn't create a new one every time?  I'll be glad to keep 
testing this but only about once a day.


OK, Jonathan, thanks.  Let's see if we together can get a bit further with
solving this problem since we have very similar systems - mine works,
yours doesn't - so all we have to do is find what is different.  I'd bet it 
is
something to do with the different history of LP installs on the two 
systems.


First, a couple of questions:

1) Do you remember the version number of the earliest LilyPond you
installed on this system?  In particular, was it earlier than 2.11.43,
released around March 08?

2) When you upgrade do you use the uninstall utility that comes with
LilyPond to remove the old version, or some other method?

Trevor



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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Jonathan Kulp]

Trevor Daniels wrote:


OK, Jonathan, thanks.  Let's see if we together can get a bit further with
solving this problem since we have very similar systems - mine works,
yours doesn't - so all we have to do is find what is different.  I'd bet 
it is
something to do with the different history of LP installs on the two 
systems.


First, a couple of questions:

1) Do you remember the version number of the earliest LilyPond you
installed on this system?  In particular, was it earlier than 2.11.43,
released around March 08?


I bought the laptop in June and installed whatever the latest version 
was at the time.




2) When you upgrade do you use the uninstall utility that comes with
LilyPond to remove the old version, or some other method?

Trevor


I have only upgraded a couple of times, and it was in response to this 
thread, just to test it out.  It's possible that I upgraded one more 
time before that.  I always use the Add/Remove program tool built into 
Windows, accessed by the Control Panel.  On Linux I always run the 
uninstall script that comes with Lilypond, but I don't know how to do 
this on Windows.  Like I said, I don't use Windows regularly  (...poking 
in the Windows partition now...) Aha!  I just noticed the uninstall.exe 
file in the Lilypond directory!  Should I try running that and then 
doing a fresh reinstall of Lilypond?  Does the Windows Add/Remove GUI 
use this uninstall.exe file or does it use something else?  I can try 
this after lunch if you think it's a good idea.


Jon



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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Mats Bengtsson]

Jonathan Kulp wrote:
I have only upgraded a couple of times, and it was in response to this 
thread, just to test it out.  It's possible that I upgraded one more 
time before that.  I always use the Add/Remove program tool built into 
Windows, accessed by the Control Panel.  On Linux I always run the 
uninstall script that comes with Lilypond, but I don't know how to do 
this on Windows.  Like I said, I don't use Windows regularly  
(...poking in the Windows partition now...) Aha!  I just noticed the 
uninstall.exe file in the Lilypond directory!  Should I try running 
that and then doing a fresh reinstall of Lilypond?  Does the Windows 
Add/Remove GUI use this uninstall.exe file or does it use something 
else?  I can try this after lunch if you think it's a good idea.


It should be the same!

  /Mats


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RE: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Slattery, Tim - BLS]

 

> Does the Windows Add/Remove GUI use this uninstall.exe file or does it
use 
> something  else?

The application's install routine is supposed to make an entry in the
Add/Remove list that includes a pointer to its own uninstaller. Assuming
this entry was made correctly, there should be no difference between
using Add/Remove and invoking the uninstaller directly.

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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Francisco Vila]

2008/11/14 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I have only upgraded a couple of times, and it was in response to this
> thread, just to test it out.  It's possible that I upgraded one more time
> before that.  I always use the Add/Remove program tool built into Windows,
> accessed by the Control Panel.  On Linux I always run the uninstall script
> that comes with Lilypond, but I don't know how to do this on Windows.  Like
> I said, I don't use Windows regularly  (...poking in the Windows partition
> now...) Aha!  I just noticed the uninstall.exe file in the Lilypond
> directory!  Should I try running that and then doing a fresh reinstall of
> Lilypond?  Does the Windows Add/Remove GUI use this uninstall.exe file or
> does it use something else?  I can try this after lunch if you think it's a
> good idea.

The standar way of uninstalling lilypond on windows is to launch the
Uninstall program found into the lilypond  entry of the Start button->
programs menu.

I think the Windows builtin Control Panel -> uninstall feature should
use this program.

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Re: pdf file

[Tim Slattery]

Naomy Gaudet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>i just installed lilypond and i cant get the pdf 
>file

Have you used the --pdf flag when you invoke Lilypond?

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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Jonathan Kulp]

Francisco Vila wrote:

2008/11/14 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I have only upgraded a couple of times, and it was in response to this
thread, just to test it out.  It's possible that I upgraded one more time
before that.  I always use the Add/Remove program tool built into Windows,
accessed by the Control Panel.  On Linux I always run the uninstall script
that comes with Lilypond, but I don't know how to do this on Windows.  Like
I said, I don't use Windows regularly  (...poking in the Windows partition
now...) Aha!  I just noticed the uninstall.exe file in the Lilypond
directory!  Should I try running that and then doing a fresh reinstall of
Lilypond?  Does the Windows Add/Remove GUI use this uninstall.exe file or
does it use something else?  I can try this after lunch if you think it's a
good idea.


The standar way of uninstalling lilypond on windows is to launch the
Uninstall program found into the lilypond  entry of the Start button->
programs menu.

For the sake of experiment, I'll try uninstalling this way instead of 
from the Control Panel, and then reinstall and see if it makes any 
difference.



I think the Windows builtin Control Panel -> uninstall feature should
use this program.



That would make sense, yes.

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RE: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Nick Payne]

I have a Vista Business system installed a week ago that has LP 2.11.63 on
it - no upgrade from an older version. The large font file in
C:\Users\Nick\.lilypond-fonts.cache-2 has the most recent date stamp of the
files in that dir, and is dated 12th November, which is last Wednesday, so
it's not being updated each time I run LP, as I've been using it every day.
However, I installed and first used LP on this system on 8th November, so
the cache has been updated since I first used LP. Would using an em dash in
a score have updated the cache? It would have been on Wednesday that I was
experimenting with adding \char ##x2014 to a score.

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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Jonathan Kulp]

Francisco Vila wrote:

2008/11/14 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I have only upgraded a couple of times, and it was in response to this
thread, just to test it out.  It's possible that I upgraded one more time
before that.  I always use the Add/Remove program tool built into Windows,
accessed by the Control Panel.  On Linux I always run the uninstall script
that comes with Lilypond, but I don't know how to do this on Windows.  Like
I said, I don't use Windows regularly  (...poking in the Windows partition
now...) Aha!  I just noticed the uninstall.exe file in the Lilypond
directory!  Should I try running that and then doing a fresh reinstall of
Lilypond?  Does the Windows Add/Remove GUI use this uninstall.exe file or
does it use something else?  I can try this after lunch if you think it's a
good idea.


The standar way of uninstalling lilypond on windows is to launch the
Uninstall program found into the lilypond  entry of the Start button->
programs menu.

I think the Windows builtin Control Panel -> uninstall feature should
use this program.



Alright, I uninstalled by going through the program menu and choosing 
the uninstall script.  The process looked exactly the same as when I did 
it from the Control Panel.  (Either way it's incredibly slow.  Why is it 
so much slower on Windows than on Linux?)


After uninstalling I found, though, that the Lilypond directory was 
still there in the Program Files directory, and from that I could tell 
the date on which I first installed LP on this laptop, 12 June 2008.  I 
deleted the LP directory from Program Files, hoping that a *really* 
fresh install would fix the problem of the fontconfig cache rebuilding 
all the time.  It didn't help.  I reinstalled Lilypond (2.11.63-1) and 
ran my test file again, twice, and the cache was rebuilt on the second 
run just like the first.  Anything else I should try or information I 
could provide to help track down the problem?


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Re: Lighter appearance

[Francisco Vila]

2008/11/14 Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> While comparing the LilyPond gegerated output with the output of a
> competitor program, I noticed that the LP outout is much 'heavier'.
>
> See e.g., http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lilsib.jpg .
>
> The top line is from LilyPond, the bottom line is from a Sibelius
> printout. I think the larger noteheads in combination with the thinner
> lines make the score easier to read.

This is not the default output of LilyPond. I have tried to reproduce
your example and it is clearly better, bolder and more readable than
the bottom sibelius example for my eyes. See attached PNG
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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Francisco Vila]

2008/11/14 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  (Either way it's incredibly slow.  Why is it so much
> slower on Windows than on Linux?)

It has always been, since I can remember. Nobody seems to know why.
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Re: pdf file

[Francisco Vila]

2008/11/14 Tim Slattery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Naomy Gaudet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>i just installed lilypond and i cant get the pdf
>>file
>
> Have you used the --pdf flag when you invoke Lilypond?

Output is PDF by default.
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Re: pdf file

[Tim Slattery]

"Francisco Vila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>2008/11/14 Tim Slattery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Naomy Gaudet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>i just installed lilypond and i cant get the pdf
>>>file
>>
>> Have you used the --pdf flag when you invoke Lilypond?
>
>Output is PDF by default.

Then what does the flag do?

I though I saw in the manual someplace that LP makes a *.ep file and
converts that to PDF if the flag is set.

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Re: pdf file

[Graham Percival]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 04:10:17PM -0500, Tim Slattery wrote:
> "Francisco Vila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Output is PDF by default.
> 
> Then what does the flag do?

Holdover from X years ago when it did .ps by default.  I think
that X > 7, but I coudl be wrong.

Cheers,
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Re: Lighter appearance

[Graham Percival]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:50:01PM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > While comparing the LilyPond gegerated output with the output of a
> > competitor program, I noticed that the LP outout is much 'heavier'.
> >
> > See e.g., http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/lilsib.jpg .
> >
> > The top line is from LilyPond, the bottom line is from a Sibelius
> > printout. I think the larger noteheads in combination with the thinner
> > lines make the score easier to read.
> 
> This is not the default output of LilyPond.

I agree -- are you sure the top line isn't from Finale or
something?  It looks incredibly bad.  WTF is up with the gap
between the sixteenth and eighth in the second bar from the end?!
LilyPond would *not* produce that.

Cheers,
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Re: pdf file

[John Mandereau]

On 2008/11/14 16:10 -0500, Tim Slattery wrote:
> "Francisco Vila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Output is PDF by default.
> 
> Then what does the flag do?

It's useful if you want both PDF and any other output format besides
PostScript.

Cheers,
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RE: pdf file

[Slattery, Tim - BLS]

> > Then what does the flag do?
 
> It's useful if you want both PDF and any other output format 
> besides PostScript.

So if I have language in my *.ly file specifying MIDI output and I want
a PDF too I have to use the --pdf flag?


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RE: pdf file

[John Mandereau]

On 2008/11/14 16:40 -0500, Slattery, Tim - BLS wrote:
> > It's useful if you want both PDF and any other output format 
> > besides PostScript.

Ah sorry, I meant any *printed* output format besides PostScript.


> So if I have language in my *.ly file specifying MIDI output and I want
> a PDF too I have to use the --pdf flag?

No, you don't, which you can certainly verify it yourself.

Best,
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Re: LilyPond is excessively slow on Windows Vista

[Patrick McCarty]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Patrick McCarty wrote Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:34 PM
>>
>> Is the large cache file being rebuilt mistakenly (on some Windows
>> systems)?
>
> Yes; that is the problem exactly.  Every other case of slowness on Windows,
> both XP and Vista, which has been examined closely has resulted in the
> same conclusion.  The question is, what causes it to happen?

Not sure, but this fontconfig bug report looks really interesting, and
could be related:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18195

Unfortunately, there are no responses yet, but it was only reported recently.

-Patrick


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point and click PDF

[strk]

I've been told about the point & click 
feature so I had a try.
Evince wasn't so helpful in telling me what
was going wrong so I tried xpdf, as suggested
by the manual.

Xpdf shows the url as being something like:

 textedit:///tmp/amadomio.ly:137:5:1

which becomes:

 lilypond-invoke-editor /tmp/amadomio.ly:137:5:1

But that command, in turn, complains with:

 lilypond-invoke-editor (GNU LilyPond) 2.10.33
 ERROR: In procedure string-split:
 ERROR: Wrong type argument in position 1 (expecting string): #f

Any idea ?

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programming error: when \break used before \grace or after \afterGrace in combination with proportional notation

[V!ctor Adán]

Hello All,

After trying for hours to figure out why my LilyPond score was generating
programming error messages on compilation, I finally found the culprit and
was able to come up with a pair of minimal examples generating the errors. I
searched the mailing lists for solutions to this, but I found no posts of
this specific problem, so I guess this is new.

The problem seems to be occur when combining three things:
1. proportional notation:
  proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 34)
  \override SpacingSpanner #'strict-note-spacing =##t
2. \grace or \afterGrace notes
3. \break or \pageBreak immediately before \grace or immediately after
\afterGrace notes.

The two errors I get are:
"programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid"
and
"programming error: No spring between column 1 and next one
continuing, cross fingers"

If I remove the strict-note-spacing = ##t assignment, everything works fine.

Minimal code examples are included here, together with the LilyPond output.

Any ideas how this can be fixed or how to go around it? Is this a bug?


Many thanks,

V!ctor Adan.

PS Since this seems like a bug, I'm sending to the bug-lilypond mailing list
too, just in case.


%% CODE BEGINS %

\version "2.11.64"
\include "english.ly"

\layout{
   \context{ \Score
  proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 34)
  \override SpacingSpanner #'strict-note-spacing =##t
  %\override SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing = ##t
  %\override SpacingSpanner #'uniform-stretching = ##t
   }
}

%% EXAMPLE 1 (afterGrace) 
 {
 \new Voice{
 \time 1/4
 c'4
 \break
 \afterGrace c'4 {g'64}
 \break
 c'4
 \break
 c'4
 }
 }

% %% LILYPOND OUTOUT:
% GNU LilyPond 2.11.64
% Processing `test.ly'
% Parsing...
% Interpreting music...
% Preprocessing graphical objects...
% Finding the ideal number of pages...
% Fitting music on 1 page...
% Drawing systems...
% programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid
% programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid
% programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid
% programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid
% programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid
% programming error: bounds of spanner are invalid
% Layout output to `test.ps'...
% Converting to `./test.pdf'...


% EXAMPLE 2 (grace) %%%
 {
 \new Voice{
 \time 1/4
 c'4
 \break
 \grace{ g'64 }
 c'4
 \break
 c'4
 \break
 c'4
 }
 }
% %% LILYPOND OUTOUT:
% GNU LilyPond 2.11.64
% Processing `test.ly'
% Parsing...
% Interpreting music...
% Preprocessing graphical objects...
% programming error: No spring between column 1 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% programming error: No spring between column 2 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% programming error: No spring between column 2 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% programming error: No spring between column 2 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% programming error: No spring between column 1 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% Finding the ideal number of pages...
% Fitting music on 1 page...
% Drawing systems...
% programming error: No spring between column 2 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% programming error: No spring between column 1 and next one
% continuing, cross fingers
% Layout output to `test.ps'...
% Converting to `./test.pdf'...

 CODE ENDS %%
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Re: point and click PDF

[Eluze]

strk-2 wrote:
> 
> I've been told about the point & click 
> feature so I had a try.
> Evince wasn't so helpful in telling me what
> was going wrong so I tried xpdf, as suggested
> by the manual.
> 
> 
you can use it from other pdf readers (like acrobat), too. 
the german lilypond forum Deutsches Lilypond Forum has discussed a solution,
see yourself:  http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=88.msg415#msg415
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=88.msg415#msg415 
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Re: Lighter appearance

[Carl D. Sorensen]

On 11/14/08 2:27 PM, "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:50:01PM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote:
>> 2008/11/14 Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> 
>>> While comparing the LilyPond gegerated output with the output of a
>>> competitor program, I noticed that the LP outout is much 'heavier'.
>>> 

>> 
>> This is not the default output of LilyPond.
> 
> I agree -- are you sure the top line isn't from Finale or
> something?  It looks incredibly bad.  WTF is up with the gap
> between the sixteenth and eighth in the second bar from the end?!
> LilyPond would *not* produce that.

I set that exact line in LilyPond 2.11.64.  I needed to do some manual
beaming to get the same beaming as in the top line.

The rest glyphs look in Johan's sample look identical to those in the
LilyPond output.

The note spacing in Johan's sample is dramatically different (worse) than in
my LilyPond output.  The staff lines in my LilyPond output are lighter than
those in Johan's sample.  The slurs in my output are lighter than those in
Johan's sample.  The noteheads in my output are heavier than those in
Johan's output, but not as large as those in his Sibelius output.

For your reference, I've attached my LilyPond output.

Carl




LilyPondTest.png
Description: LilyPondTest.png
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segno at end of a multi-bar rest - howto?

[Chip]

I have a 4 measure multi-measure rest, I want to put a Segno above the
right-most barline. I've looked in the snippets library and the handbook and all
the examples leave out this situation. Can someone give me an example of how to
do this?
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segno at end of a multi-bar rest - howto?

[Chip]

After much experimenting I got it working. 



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