Re: TrillSpanner edge-text

[-Eluze]

how do you invoke the trill? the following makes the "tr" disappear!

{
\override TrillSpanner #'(bound-details left text) = \markup {}
e 2 
\startTrillSpan 
fis
d 
\stopTrillSpan
}
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Re: mixing notehead styles in chords

[Patrick McCarty]

2009/3/23 Steve Yegge :
> Hello,
>
> In flamenco and bossa-nova guitar music it is quite
> common to damp some (but not all) strings with the
> left hand while strumming.  The standard notation for
> this is to have cross-noteheads on the damped strings
> and normal noteheads on the strings that should ring.
>
> Lilypond makes it extremely tedious to deal with this
> relatively common situation.  It's easy to have the entire
> chord drawn with x-noteheads, but much more difficult
> to get only some of the notes to have x-noteheads.

Perhaps you could use the \tweak command to get the output you need.
I assume there is a way to automate this more or less with music
functions, but I can't look into it right now.

\tweak is explained in the Learning Manual, chapter 4.1.4

%%% BEGIN %%%
\version "2.12.2"

\relative c' {
  8
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
}
%%% END %%%


-Patrick


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mixing notehead styles in chords

[Steve Yegge]

Hello,

In flamenco and bossa-nova guitar music it is quite
common to damp some (but not all) strings with the
left hand while strumming.  The standard notation for
this is to have cross-noteheads on the damped strings
and normal noteheads on the strings that should ring.

Lilypond makes it extremely tedious to deal with this
relatively common situation.  It's easy to have the entire
chord drawn with x-noteheads, but much more difficult
to get only some of the notes to have x-noteheads.

For instance, let's say we're notating the strumming of
eighth-note open A-minor chords, like so:

\relative c' {
  8
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
}


So far the music only needs one voice, and it prints in
an easy-to-read (for guitarists) stacked notation, with one
stem per chord.

But let's say we want every other chord to be partly
damped:  strings 2, 3 and 4 have x-noteheads, and
strings 1 and 5 have normal noteheads.  We don't want
any other visible changes to the print representation --
in particular, this is not polyphonic music, so we don't
want up- and down- stems in the same measure, nor
notes from any given chord to be horizontally shifted.
We just want every other chord to have its middle three
noteheads be crosses.

The only way to accomplish this, as far as I can tell,
requires many manual steps for each measure:
  - split the music expression into two voices
  - copy the chords into the second voice
  - delete all the normal-notehead notes from one voice
  - delete the cross-notehead notes from the other voice
  - make the stems and beams in the top voice invisible
  - turn off note-column collision warnings
  - in some cases, hack the stem #'length-fraction so
that the beam from the lower voice clears the higher.

Doing this for the measure above, we get

  <<
\relative c' {
  \override Stem #'transparent = ##t
  \override Beam #'transparent = ##t
  \override NoteColumn #'ignore-collision = ##t
  8
  \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross
  
  \revert NoteHead #'style
  
  \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross
  

  \revert NoteHead #'style
  
  \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross
  
  \revert NoteHead #'style
  
  \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross
  
  \revert NoteHead #'style
} \\
\relative c' {
  \stemUp
  8   
 
}
  >>

This is somewhat labor-intensive, and annoying to read
(although it can be mitigated a bit with macros).  But the
real problems have only just begun.  Now that it's been split
into two voices, everything you add to the staff begins to
have layout issues.  Take a look at the fingerings in the two
measures above.  In the one-voice version, the fingerings
line up nicely, with three above the staff and two below.
In the two-voice version, most of the fingerings overlap
with other entities, rendering them unreadable.

You'll run into the same kinds of issues with every kind of
annotation, from string numbers and right hand fingerings
through accent marks and TextSpanners.  The hack to
split the chords into multiple voices wreaks havoc with
the layout engine as we add more information to the staff.

We could fix this problem by adding another special-case
similar to \harmonic for cross-noteheads.  But I have a
sneaking feeling it wouldn't be the last such special case.

It seems like a better solution would be to provide syntax
support for overriding individual noteheads within a chord
to be arbitrary glyphs or stencils -- whatever you can do
with noteheads outside of chords, basically.

But I'd take the hack, for now!  I'm transcribing a piece
that has many of these partly-damped chords, and I'd love
to have a way to annotate them properly.

Thanks,

-steve

p.s. Thank you for this awesome system, by the way.
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Re: TrillSpanner edge-text

[Robin Bannister]

Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> the "tr" mark is still there.

Yes, you can't easily tell how near you are to getting it right. 
Try
\override TrillSpanner #'(bound-details left text) = ##f


Cheers,
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Re: Adding \new Lyrics \lyricsto "Tenor II" \text cancels \set timing

[Carl D. Sorensen]

On 3/23/09 2:59 PM, "Jay Hamilton"  wrote:

> Mr. Bailey- would like me to go and reread a section of the LM, that is all
> well and good but in the Manual for 2.10 section
> 7.3.9.4 Printing stanzas at the end- I used the information to create the
> score.  The score looks fine except that when I add the
> \new Lyrics \lyricsto
> my stems reappear.  So the original question remains why does adding this line
> of code into a place that makes the 'text' work and in the proper place on the
> score remove the
>   \set Score.defaultBarType = "empty"
> so that the stems reappear?
> 
> Thanks- Jay

Jay, 

If you look at the example from the documentation, you will see that the
extra lyrics are *outside* of the \score block.

In your attempt, you put the extra lyrics in the \layout block which is
*inside* the \score block.

So your attempt is *not* the same as the example that's shown in 7.3.9.4.

As I understand it, the standard use of the \layout block is to put
information in that describes how the music will be laid out, but no actual
music content.

In your example, you put music content (a new line of Lyrics) in the \layout
block, which is certainly non-standard, and probably invalid.  With that
usage, you don't get the desired output.

This may be a bug, in that perhaps LilyPond should complain when you put
music content in a \layout block.

James was inviting you to read the Learning Manual because you apparently
don't understand the difference between the \layout block and the normal
music expression part of the \score block.

So I guess the answer to your question is: I don't know and probably neither
does anybody else.  You've created invalid LilyPond code, and it does
something, but not what you had hoped.

HTH,

Carl


> 
> 7.3.9.4 Printing stanzas at the end
> Sometimes it is appropriate to have one stanza set to the music, and the rest
> added in verse
> form at the end of the piece. This can be accomplished by adding the extra
> verses into a
> \markup section outside of the main score block. Notice that there are two
> different ways to
> force linebreaks when using \markup.
> melody = \relative c' {
> e d c d | e e e e |
> d d e d | c1 |
> }
> text = \lyricmode {
> \set stanza = "1." Ma- ry had a lit- tle lamb,
> its fleece was white as snow.
> }
> \book{
> \score{ <<
> \new Voice = "one" { \melody }
> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "one" \text
>>> 
> \layout { }
> }
> \markup { \column{
> \line{ Verse 2. }
> \line{ All the children laughed and played }
> \line{ To see a lamb at school. }
> }
> }
> \markup{
> 
> \wordwrap-string #"
> Verse 3.
> Mary took it home again,
> It was against the rule."
> }
> }
> 
> Yours-
> Jay
> 
> Jay Hamilton
> www.soundand.com
> 206-328-7694
> 
> 
> 



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Re: hidden voice

[Yohann Martineau]

fiëé visuëlle a écrit :

Am 2009-03-23 um 22:26 schrieb Yohann Martineau:


I'm using lilypond to write scores for bagpipe.

I've seen that it was possible to create midi file using lilypond. 
That's really great. I've created my main melody, but now I would 
like to add drones in background.
Drones are not permanent in my track, so I'll probably have to create 
a new voice or a new staff dedicated to drones. That's not a problem. 
But I would like to hide it in the generated pdf/ps. Is it possible?


I've seen that it was necessary to write another score with 
\unfoldRepeats to have repeats in midi, it's ok but is there a way to 
"include" the previously defined score? I fear copy/paste because I 
may forget to do it once and the midi generated file will be incorrect.


Maybe a simple \include with another file would be ok?



Have a look at my attached template:
Just define every voice as a variable and use two different \score 
blocks for print and midi output.


thank you, I'll take a look at it.

Regards,

yohann


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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 76, Issue 91

[Jay Hamilton]

27;ve created my main melody, but now I would  
> like to add drones in background.
> Drones are not permanent in my track, so I'll probably have to  
> create a new voice or a new staff dedicated to drones. That's not a  
> problem. But I would like to hide it in the generated pdf/ps. Is it  
> possible?
>
> I've seen that it was necessary to write another score with  
> \unfoldRepeats to have repeats in midi, it's ok but is there a way  
> to "include" the previously defined score? I fear copy/paste because  
> I may forget to do it once and the midi generated file will be  
> incorrect.
>
> Maybe a simple \include with another file would be ok?


Have a look at my attached template:
Just define every voice as a variable and use two different \score  
blocks for print and midi output.


Greetlings from Lake Constance
---
fi�� visu�lle
Henning Hraban Ramm
http://www.fiee.net
http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/
https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:11:47 +1100
From: "Nick Payne" 
Subject: RE: Stem not quite correctly positioned on merged noteheads
To: 
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Fixed by a small hshift on the 1/8 note that merges with the 1/2 note:

\version "2.12.2"

\relative c'' {
<<
{
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
\once \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #0.05
c8 d e d
} \\ {
c2
}
>>
}

Nick

> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Payne [mailto:nick.pa...@internode.on.net]
> Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 04:44
> To: 'lilypond-user@gnu.org'
> Subject: Stem not quite correctly positioned on merged noteheads
> 
> \version "2.12.2"
> 
> \relative c'' {
> <<
> {
> \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
> c8 d e d
> } \\ {
> c2
> }
> >>
> }
> 
> If you look closely at the output produced by the above, the right-hand
> stem on the merged note is not exactly positioned in line with the
> right-hand side of the notehead. This is the example from section 1.5.2
> of the NR. I can see the same thing in scores I have set, particularly
> with merged half notes that have a hollow notehead.
> 
> Nick
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empty png files in documentation

[Martin Tarenskeen]

Hi,

There are some empty (zero size) png files in the lilypond 2.13  
documentation tarball:
 
share/doc/lilypond/input/mutopia/E.Satie/petite-ouverture-a-danser.png
share/doc/lilypond/input/mutopia/J.S.Bach/wtk1-fugue2.png
share/doc/lilypond/input/mutopia/W.A.Mozart/mozart-hrn-3.png


These empty were already there in previous versions.
In the official rpm packages for Fedora these files are already removed.
I found these files when I looked at the SPEC files from Fedora.

Can these files be fixed or removed  upstream ?
 
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RE: Stem not quite correctly positioned on merged noteheads

[Nick Payne]

Fixed by a small hshift on the 1/8 note that merges with the 1/2 note:

\version "2.12.2"

\relative c'' {
<<
{
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
\once \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #0.05
c8 d e d
} \\ {
c2
}
>>
}

Nick

> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Payne [mailto:nick.pa...@internode.on.net]
> Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 04:44
> To: 'lilypond-user@gnu.org'
> Subject: Stem not quite correctly positioned on merged noteheads
> 
> \version "2.12.2"
> 
> \relative c'' {
> <<
> {
> \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
> c8 d e d
> } \\ {
> c2
> }
> >>
> }
> 
> If you look closely at the output produced by the above, the right-hand
> stem on the merged note is not exactly positioned in line with the
> right-hand side of the notehead. This is the example from section 1.5.2
> of the NR. I can see the same thing in scores I have set, particularly
> with merged half notes that have a hollow notehead.
> 
> Nick
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Re: hidden voice

[fiëé visuëlle]

Am 2009-03-23 um 22:26 schrieb Yohann Martineau:


I'm using lilypond to write scores for bagpipe.

I've seen that it was possible to create midi file using lilypond.  
That's really great. I've created my main melody, but now I would  
like to add drones in background.
Drones are not permanent in my track, so I'll probably have to  
create a new voice or a new staff dedicated to drones. That's not a  
problem. But I would like to hide it in the generated pdf/ps. Is it  
possible?


I've seen that it was necessary to write another score with  
\unfoldRepeats to have repeats in midi, it's ok but is there a way  
to "include" the previously defined score? I fear copy/paste because  
I may forget to do it once and the midi generated file will be  
incorrect.


Maybe a simple \include with another file would be ok?



Have a look at my attached template:
Just define every voice as a variable and use two different \score  
blocks for print and midi output.



Greetlings from Lake Constance
---
fiëé visuëlle
Henning Hraban Ramm
http://www.fiee.net
http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/
https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

\version "2.12.0"
#(ly:set-option (quote no-point-and-click))

\header{
	title = "Your Song"
	poet = "T: "
	composer = "M: "
%	instrument = "2 voc + git"
	source = ""
	maintainer = "Henning Hraban Ramm"
	maintainerWeb = "http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/";
	lastupdated = "2009-03-23"
	tagline = ""
	copyright = ""
}

global = {
	\clef treble
	\key a \minor
	\time 4/4
}

guitarChords = \chordmode {
	% put your guitar chords here
	% use the same repeats as in the voices!
}

dynamics = \relative c {
	% use this to influence MIDI dynamics
	r1\mp
}

% if you use \voiceOne and \voiceTwo,
% you can print two voices on one staff

upperVoice = \relative c'' {
	%\voiceOne
	\repeat volta 2 {
	}
	\alternative {
		{  }
		{  }
	}
}

lowerVoice = \relative c' {
	%\voiceTwo
	\repeat volta 2 {
	}
	\alternative {
		{  }
		{  }
	}	
}

text = \lyricmode {
	%\set stanza = "1. "
	% You know how to write ly -- rics, don’t you?
}

% Paper Output
\score {
	<<
		\context ChordNames {
			% \germanChords
			\set chordChanges = ##t
			\guitarChords
		}
		\context Staff = Upper <<
			\global
			\context Voice = "one" \upperVoice
			%\context Voice = "two" \lowerVoice
		>>
		\lyricsto "one" \new Lyrics { \text }
		% comment this if you need only one voice:
		\context Staff = Lower <<
			\global
			%\context Voice = "one" \upperVoice
			\context Voice = "two" \lowerVoice
		>>
	>>
	\layout { 
		indent = 0\cm
	}
}
% more verses:
\markup{}
\markup {
   \fill-line {
	 \hspace #0.1 % distance from left margin
	  \column {
	   \line { "1."
		 \column {
		""
		""
		 }
	   }
	   \hspace #0.2 % vertical distance between verses
	   \line { "2."
		 \column {
		  ""
		""
		 }
	   }
	 }
	 \hspace #0.1  % horiz. distance between columns
	  \column {
	   \line { "3."
		 \column {
		  ""
		""
		 }
	   }
	   \hspace #0.2 % distance between verses
	   \line { "4."
		 \column {
		  ""
		""
		 }
	   }
	 }
   \hspace #0.1 % distance to right margin
   }
 }


% MIDI Output
\score {
	\unfoldRepeats { % otherwise you don't get repeats in the MIDI
		<<
			\context Staff = chords <<
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "fx 4 (atmosphere)"
\context Voice = chords {
	<< \dynamics \guitarChords >>
}
			>>
			\context Staff = Upper <<
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "violin"
\context Voice = Upper \upperVoice
			>>
			\context Staff = Lower <<
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "viola"
\context Voice = Lower \lowerVoice
			>>
		>>
	}
	\midi{
		\context { \Score
		tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 120 4)
		}
	}
}
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Re: MIDI not played by LilypondTool

[fiëé visuëlle]

Am 2009-03-22 um 16:11 schrieb MonAmiPierrot:


This .mid thing is weird... I can't understand why they changed it.



A lot of programs refuse to reckognize .midi files - in my lilypond  
call script I always rename those.



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http://www.fiee.net
http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/
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hidden voice

[Yohann Martineau]

hello,

I'm using lilypond to write scores for bagpipe.

I've seen that it was possible to create midi file using lilypond. 
That's really great. I've created my main melody, but now I would like 
to add drones in background.
Drones are not permanent in my track, so I'll probably have to create a 
new voice or a new staff dedicated to drones. That's not a problem. But 
I would like to hide it in the generated pdf/ps. Is it possible?


I've seen that it was necessary to write another score with 
\unfoldRepeats to have repeats in midi, it's ok but is there a way to 
"include" the previously defined score? I fear copy/paste because I may 
forget to do it once and the midi generated file will be incorrect.


Maybe a simple \include with another file would be ok?


Thank you,

yohann


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Re: guitar tab feature request

[Marc Hohl]

Carl D. Sorensen schrieb:


On 3/23/09 5:02 AM, "Marc Hohl"  wrote:
  
   


I assume that this will happen when tablature is updated.  As far as I know,
nobody is yet planning to do the work on tablature.  They are only planning
to put in the requests.

I'd be happy to have a Frog (even a new Frog, like you, Marc, if you're
interested or willing) take responsibility for tablature. I'd give any
advice that I could, and you'd have access to help from the lilypond-devel
list for those things that are beyond me.
 
  

Hm, I think if everyone waits until someone else is doing the job, we'll
have to be patient :-)
Can you explain to me what a "Frog" is (and what he has to do)?
I don't know much about scheme and the lilypond internals (yet?),
but I am willing to spend some time in bringing this project further on,
because the lack of specific tablature features is the main reason for
me not using lilypond for every piece of music I write down.




Frogs are LilyPond programmers in training.  The name comes from creatures
who live in the pond and hunt bugs.
  

:-)

You can read more about Frogs by searching the lilypond-devel mailing list
for Frog:



You can also see some Frog instructions by searching the archives of the
fr...@lilynet.net mailing list:




Specific instructions for contributing to LilyPond are found in the new
Contributors' Guide of the documentation:




HTH,

Carl
  

So I am not going to be painted green and got balloon-like cheeks? Great.

I will give it a try.

Marc


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Re: Adding \new Lyrics \lyricsto "Tenor II" \text cancels \set timing

[Jay Hamilton]

Mr. Bailey- would like me to go and reread a section of the LM, that is all 
well and good but in the Manual for 2.10 section
7.3.9.4 Printing stanzas at the end- I used the information to create the 
score.  The score looks fine except that when I add the 
\new Lyrics \lyricsto
my stems reappear.  So the original question remains why does adding this line 
of code into a place that makes the 'text' work and in the proper place on the 
score remove the 
  \set Score.defaultBarType = "empty"
so that the stems reappear?

Thanks- Jay

7.3.9.4 Printing stanzas at the end
Sometimes it is appropriate to have one stanza set to the music, and the rest 
added in verse
form at the end of the piece. This can be accomplished by adding the extra 
verses into a
\markup section outside of the main score block. Notice that there are two 
different ways to
force linebreaks when using \markup.
melody = \relative c' {
e d c d | e e e e |
d d e d | c1 |
}
text = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "1." Ma- ry had a lit- tle lamb,
its fleece was white as snow.
}
\book{
\score{ <<
\new Voice = "one" { \melody }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "one" \text
>>
\layout { }
}
\markup { \column{
\line{ Verse 2. }
\line{ All the children laughed and played }
\line{ To see a lamb at school. }
}
}
\markup{

\wordwrap-string #"
Verse 3.
Mary took it home again,
It was against the rule."
}
}

Yours-
Jay

Jay Hamilton
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Re: Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware

[MonAmiPierrot]

Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
> 
> I haven't written any papers on this topic but wanted to be in touch 
> with you anyway.  My Ph.D. is in musicology and I have no formal 
> training in computers, though I have to say that my computer skills have 
> improved dramatically in the 18 months that I have been using Linux and 
> Lilypond.
> ...
> Please report back when you get back from giving the paper. :)
> 
> 

It seems our Lilypond history is quite similar. I use LyX even if it still
doesn't work with lilypond-book.
I'll report back.
Thanks
Piero

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- MikTex
- LaTeX class: Koma book
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repeat percent and chords

[Kees Serier]

Hi,

I want to have the percent sign for a duplicate chord in the next
measure (in \chordmode). The examples in the manual are all with notes,
but I only see it with chords in the music I use.
I changed the two e:m chords for the following: \repeat percent 2 {e:m}
What happens is that in the second measure, instead of the percent sign,
there is nothing (in the MIDI file no chord is played on that measure)

I'm using Lilypond 2.12.2 (dutch) and the manual version 2.11.65 (newest
I could find)

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Re: Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware

[Jonathan Kulp]

MonAmiPierrot wrote:



Valentin Villenave wrote:


I assume you already know about Andrew's paper:
http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html



Yep, and very useful! Anything more?
Thanks and regards



I haven't written any papers on this topic but wanted to be in touch 
with you anyway.  My Ph.D. is in musicology and I have no formal 
training in computers, though I have to say that my computer skills have 
improved dramatically in the 18 months that I have been using Linux and 
Lilypond.


I'm nearly finished writing a counterpoint workbook with Lilypond Book 
in LaTeX and Lilypond, and am also working on a new project with 
Lilypond, which is a free anthology of musical scores for use in 
undergraduate music history courses.  This will be a combination of new 
Lilypond engravings and public-domain scanned pdf files of old 
printings.  This is in the very early stages.


I'm not sure if I can contribute to the argument for Lilypond over the 
proprietary engraving software, but in my Counterpoint workbook I have a 
colophon page where I discuss Lilypond and LaTeX briefly.  One of the 
features of LaTeX that I point out there that might be of interest to 
musicologists is the fact that with LaTeX you can place sharp, flat, and 
natural symbols in the text without messing up line spacing, something 
I've found impossible to do with word processors.  It's also easier to 
do scale-degree indications, you know the numbers with ^ on top of them.


Please report back when you get back from giving the paper. :)

Jon

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Re: very big pdf ps

[-Eluze]

Francisco Vila-5 wrote:
> 
> /URI(textedit://path-to-your-lilypond-file.ly:1:2:2)>>
> 
and this path will never be found on the machine/server where the webpage
resides...
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Re: Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware

[MonAmiPierrot]

Valentin Villenave wrote:
> 
> 
> I assume you already know about Andrew's paper:
> http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html
> 

Yep, and very useful! Anything more?
Thanks and regards




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Sezione musicologia
Università di Ferrara 

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- LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP; EndNote & JabRef
- MikTex
- LaTeX class: Koma book
- Lilypond and MusixTeX for example excerpts
- BibLaTeX for bibliographies 


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Slur / phrasingSlur half dashed, half solid

[MonAmiPierrot]

Is there any way to have a half-dashed-half-solid Slur, i.e. a slur that
begins dashed and at a certain point turns solid (or viceversa?)
I tried with a \( and change to  \phrasingSlurDashed on-the-flow but it
doesn't change the once-started slur type.
Any idea?
Thanks.
Piero

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- MikTex
- LaTeX class: Koma book
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Re: very big pdf ps

[Francisco Vila]

2009/3/23 -Eluze :
>
>
> with version 2.12 i got 1.00 MB with point-and-click against 147 KB without!

This is a ratio of 6.8 in this case. The 'with' version has
rectangular annotations for every single clickable object in the form

<>
/Subtype/Link>>endobj
14 0 obj

This is many chars added for every single clickable object, in a
non-compressed form. On another side, PS commands that draw the notes
are compressed into the PDF. Very small files do not show this size
ratio because there is a large common part on both files.

As you can see, the full path of the file is included in every link,
so you'll be surprised if you compile the document into a short
pathame folder such as /tmp

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: easy insert fret diagrams (with Frescobaldi)

[Grammostola Rosea]

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:

Op zaterdag 21 maart 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
  

I was wondering if there's an easy way to insert Fret Diagrams for
guitar in Lilypond. Most of the time I use templates from Frescobaldi,
but I don't see an  Fret Diagram option there.

I like to display the fret diagram and the chord name above it.
  

I would like to make this an official feature request ;)



Frescobaldi SVN now has support for predefined guitar fret diagrams in the 
Chord names part (and Lead Sheet).


Markup fret diagrams should be added by the user to the music, makes no sense 
in the score wizard.


Support for Automatic fret diagrams could be added to the fretted instruments, 
but they probably need their own music stub, i.e. the user has to specify 
music for both the staff/tabstaff and the automatic FretBoards context.
This is all quite complicated and the Score Wizard should help get users with 
not too much LilyPond knowlegde on the rails, but not be so complicated that 
you only understand the Score Wizard because you understand LilyPond ;-)



  

Thanks, it seems to work! :)
I will play with it and I will see if it good be improved or if it's ok 
like it's now.


Kind regards,

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Re: Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware

[Valentin Villenave]

2009/3/23 MonAmiPierrot :
> Did anyone write something about LilyPond and the WYSIWYM “philosophy”?

I assume you already know about Andrew's paper:
http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html

Regards,
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Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware

[MonAmiPierrot]

Hello, 

in a couple of months I have to speak at a conference about computers &
music/critical editions. I will introduce to a Finale-enslaved audience the
great advantages of LilyPond (by the way, I'm going to talk more about LaTeX
stuff: music things will be just one of the subjects).

I'm a musicologist, not a LilyPond (or other software) pro so the thing
would definitely be something much more like a divulgative/ads/propaganda
;-) thing than a specialized research. For this reason, I want to cite some
statistics, relevant opinions, important projects/editions/initiatives based
on LilyPond and so on, which are not listed in LilyPond site.

Did anyone write something about LilyPond and the WYSIWYM “philosophy”?

Any help would be apreciated and - if possible - referenced.

Thanks, Piero

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Sezione musicologia
Università di Ferrara 

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- MikTex
- LaTeX class: Koma book
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Re: an LM update

[Francisco Vila]

2009/3/23 Francisco Vila :

> I have git version 1.5.6.3 and both git-format-patch and
> git[nohyphen]format-patch do work.
>
> James, what's the output of git --version?

>From your patch I see it is 1.6.2.1 ; has the hyphenated command been
deprecated? this form is still useful to invoke man pages.

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Re: an LM update

[Francisco Vila]

2009/3/23 Carl D. Sorensen :
> git format-patch is what you type at the command line.

I have git version 1.5.6.3 and both git-format-patch and
git[nohyphen]format-patch do work.

James, what's the output of git --version?

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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Mark Knoop]

At 21:45 on 23 Mar 2009, Graham Percival wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 08:40:24AM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> > Graham Percival wrote:
> >> Does Sibelius support musicXML?  I'm wondering if it might be
> >> faster in the long run to help Reinhold with musicXML2ly.
> >>
> >
> > I asked my student with Sibelius to send me his counterpoint
> > project as a musicXML file and he couldn't do it.  He was new with
> > Sibelius but when I poked around it for him I couldn't find a
> > musicXML export option anywhere.  :(
> 
> Your student fails the google test.  Third hit for "sibelius
> musicxl":
> http://www.sibelius.com/news/press130.html
> (from 24 Oct 2007)

As do you: the page, albeit subtly, only mentions MusicXML IMPORT, not
EXPORT. 

MusicXML 2.0 – the latest version of the industry-standard format
to transfer scores between notation engines – is fully supported in
Sibelius 5.1. This includes the new compressed .mxl format, which
reduces MusicXML file sizes by around 20 times. The handling of
instruments and layouts from MusicXML files has also been enhanced, and
more notation than ever are imported, including unpitched percussion,
multirests, guitar chord diagrams, and many more.

See also:

http://tomrudolph.berkleemusicblogs.com/2008/05/17/sharing-files-between-finale-and-sibelius-via-musicxml/


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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Domain Admin]

Wow, thank you all for the feedback - I'll answer some of the direct
questions, and give my input on some of the indirect ones.

> 1. I can find the but not your plugin via the link you give ?

My apologies.  I uploaded late last night and forgot to allow
unauthenticated users to download the file.  You should now be able to
see an attachment at http://drupal.mjs-svc.com/sib2ly containing the
plugin.

> 2. Would it be easy/possible/difficult to port your conversion code to a 
> standalone commandline utility
> ( coded in C or Python like some other existing xxx2ly utilities that come 
> with the lilypond distributions ?
> (and related queries)

I don't think the Sibelius format is open, and hacking binary files is
not my forte.  I would love to, really - after all, Sibelius and
Finale are my only reasons for sticking with windows, and I can't
abandon them for my composers.

> Does Sibelius support musicXML?  I'm wondering if it might be faster in the 
> long run to help Reinhold with musicXML2ly.
> (and related queries)

Sibelius supports IMPORTING musicXML, but not EXPORTING.  To export,
you need to get the Dolet plugin, which is a bit out of my price-range
at the moment.  Plus, when I do start making money, It may not be in
others' price range, and I would like to continue offering a free
alternative.  That said, I would still be willing to help with
musicXML2ly.

> Would you like me to send you some test data?

I have a good number of scores to keep testing this out with and,
unfortunately, not a whole lot of time, though I thank you for your
offer.

Next on the list is text, and after that, some way to work with
objects that extend beyond one note (lines, tuplets, etc.).  Since
there seems to be some interest, I'll mention the next major update.
It may take some time, what with work and school, but midterms are
over, so hopefully I'll have more.

Yours,

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Re: very big pdf ps

[-Eluze]

with version 2.12 i got 1.00 MB with point-and-click against 147 KB without!
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Re: TrillSpanner edge-text

[Benjamin Smedberg]

On 3/23/09 10:06 AM, Graham Percival wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:01:58AM -0400, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
>> Has edge-text changed since that example was written against 2.10?
> 
> Yes; please see the News document for 2.12.

Do you mean this?

"All line spanners are more flexible now in the configuration of their end
points. This includes glissando, voice followers, text crescendos and other
text spanners. The old syntax for setting text on line spanners is no longer
valid."

If so, is there an example of the right way to change the text associated
with a trill? I looked at the sample linked from the web:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/topdocs/d7/lily-9dd9d64f.ly

And tried something similar:

\override TrillSpanner #'(bound-details left text) = \markup { }

But I get a non-fatal "programming error: Grob property path should be list
of symbols" and the "tr" mark is still there.

Lilypond is very powerful, but trying to figure out how all the objects and
properties fit together is really difficult!

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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

Am Montag, 23. März 2009 schrieb Jonathan Kulp:
> I asked my student with Sibelius to send me his counterpoint project as
> a musicXML file and he couldn't do it.  He was new with Sibelius but
> when I poked around it for him I couldn't find a musicXML export option
> anywhere.  :(

AFAIK, there is only the Dolet plugin for Sibelius, that allows MusicXML 
export, but that is a) not installed/distributed with Sibelius and b) 
commercial (i.e. it costs 150$!!!):
http://store.recordare.com/dolet4sib.html

Cheers,
Reinhold
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re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Stefan Thomas]

Dear Matthew,
I am very much interested in this plugin. I used sibelius for a long
time and I'm still searching for a good way, too export my music to
lilypond. I will test Your plugin as soon as possible!


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Re: TrillSpanner edge-text

[Graham Percival]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:01:58AM -0400, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> Has edge-text changed since that example was written against 2.10?

Yes; please see the News document for 2.12.

Cheers,
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TrillSpanner edge-text

[Benjamin Smedberg]

I've been trying to engrave a bell shake with a trill line using
\startTrillSpan + \stopTrillSpan

By default, trillspans have the text "tr" printed at the beginning of the
trill line: to suppress this, I used

\override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons "" "")

However, this didn't seem to have any effect. I then tried the examples in
the lilypond repository http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=304, but those
examples didn't show the sharp/flat either.

This is with lilypond 2.11.57 (Fedora 9 package) and 2.12.2 (mac).

Has edge-text changed since that example was written against 2.10?

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Re: very big pdf ps

[David Bobroff]

Point and click is on by default.  I saw no switching off of point and 
click.  This would greatly reduce the size of the PDF.


-David

Francois Planiol wrote:

Hi dear lilyponders,

I set a piece for organ (see source here); the admin of the webpage where the 
piece is published asked if its possible to reduce the size of the output. I 
dont understand why this one is so big.


I still use 2.11.41 on Suse Linux 10.1

Thanks in advance and best greetings

Francois

Here the source:

\version "2.11.41"



 [snip]


% the score
%{ \header {
title = ""
}
%}
\score {
   <<
  \new PianoStaff 
  \with {

%  \override VerticalAlignment #'forced-distance = #9
\override BarLine #'X-extent = #'(0 . 0.3)
  }

  {
 \set PianoStaff.instrumentName = \markup { \large "Gd Choeur" }
 <<
\context Staff = right {
   \context Voice = right \right
}
\context Staff = left {
   \context Voice = left \left
}
 >>
  }
  \context Staff = pedal {
 \set Staff.instrumentName = \markup { \large "Pédale" \hspace #1.8 }
 \context Voice = pedal \pedal
  }

   >>

   \layout{
%   line-width = #175
   }
}

\markup {Das Entfernen von Werbeblöcke oder dieser Hinweis ist nicht zulässig 
und gleicht einer Verletzung des Urheberrechts! -- Maintainer: François 
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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Jonathan Kulp]

Graham Percival wrote:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 08:40:24AM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote:

Graham Percival wrote:

Does Sibelius support musicXML?  I'm wondering if it might be
faster in the long run to help Reinhold with musicXML2ly.

I asked my student with Sibelius to send me his counterpoint project as  
a musicXML file and he couldn't do it.  He was new with Sibelius but  
when I poked around it for him I couldn't find a musicXML export option  
anywhere.  :(


Your student fails the google test.  Third hit for "sibelius
musicxl":
http://www.sibelius.com/news/press130.html
(from 24 Oct 2007)


Granted, I don't know if you (or he) has sibelius 5.  :)

Cheers,
- Graham



Excellent!  He just bought it about a week ago so I assume it's Sibelius 
5.  I'll help him get the musicXML export working.


I'm glad to report that one of my counterpoint students opted to try 
Lilypond instead of buying software.  She's happily doing her projects 
with JEdit and Lilypond Tool. :)


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How to create a header within a \new score

[Jean-Alexis Montignies]

Hi all!

I'm trying to have a score created with a header within a book (which  
have its own title). It works if i use \score, but as soon as i use  
\new Score, it tells me: unexpected header;


\new Score \with {
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
}
{
<<
\new ChordNames = "chords" {
  \harmoniesSolo
}
\new Voice = "headVoice" {
  \solo
}
>>
\header {
piece = "chords for solos"
}
}

How to do this?

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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Laura Conrad]

> "Matthew" == Domain Admin  writes:

Matthew> If anyone's interested, I've started work on a Sibelius
Matthew> plug-in to export Lilypond data.

Since it's a Sibelius plugin, that means those of us who mostly use
Linux are out of luck.  

I do run into Sibelius files I'd like to convert from time to time,
but they're on the web at places like CPDL and the Werner Icking
site.  So I couldn't ask the generous people who put them up to
install a test piece of software and convert them for me.  

Isn't it possible to write a standalone program that could be run by
the person who wants the lilypond, and not by the person who wrote the
sibelius?

Would you like me to send you some test data?

Matthew> As of yet, all it can get from the score is some metadata
Matthew> such as title and composer, and each staff, containing
Matthew> all pitches, durations, key signatures, and time
Matthew> signatures.  Unfortunately, this excludes lines,
Matthew> barlines, tuplets, text, lyrics, and all that jazz. 

I mostly take the barlines out anyway, and tuplets aren't at all
common in the music I do.  But lyrics would be nice.

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very big pdf ps

[Francois Planiol]

Hi dear lilyponders,

I set a piece for organ (see source here); the admin of the webpage where the 
piece is published asked if its possible to reduce the size of the output. I 
dont understand why this one is so big.

I still use 2.11.41 on Suse Linux 10.1

Thanks in advance and best greetings

Francois

Here the source:

\version "2.11.41"

\paper {
bottom-margin = 9\mm
left-margin = 13\mm
line-width = 190\mm
system-count = #24
page-count = #4
}


\header {
title = "Sortie"
subtitle = "L'organiste moderne, 8ème livraison"
subsubtitle = "Louis James Alfred Lefébure-Wely"
% composer = "François Planiol"
% tagline = "Das Entfernen von Werbeblöcke oder dieser Hinweis ist nicht 
zulässig und  gleicht einer Verletzung des Urheberrechts!"
}

\include "deutsch.ly"

#(set-default-paper-size "a4" ) % 'landscape)
#(set-global-staff-size 14)
#(define set-script-property (lambda (script property value)
   (append! (cdr (assoc script default-script-alist))
  (list (cons property value)
#(set-script-property "prall" 'avoid-slur 'outside)

halsdown = { \stemDown \tieDown \slurDown }
halsneutral = { \stemNeutral \tieNeutral \slurNeutral }
halsup = { \stemUp \tieUp \slurUp}
hideBrackets = { \override TupletBracket #'bracket-visibility = ##f }
hideTripletNumber = { \set tupletNumberFormatFunction = #'() }
staffdown = { \change Staff = "left" \halsup }
staffup = { \change Staff = "right" \halsdown }
std = { \change Staff = "left" }
stu = { \change Staff = "right" }

global = {
   \key b \major
   \time 4/4
   #(set-accidental-style 'default)
   \set tupletSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
   \override TupletBracket  #'bracket-visibility = #'if-no-beam
}

motivEin = {
% \global
   \new Voice \relative c' {
%   \halsup
f8^. b^. c^. d^. f^. b^. g^. f^. e^. es^. d^. c^. b^. a^. b^.
}
}

themeEin = {
% \global
   \new Voice \relative c'' {
%   \halsup
r8 \motivEin
<< {\halsdown \slurUp h( c f2.)~f1}\\{\halsup s1 h8( c f2.)}>>
r8 \motivEin
<<{\halsdown \slurUp d,8( cis a'2.)~a1}\\{\halsup s1 e'8( f d2.)}>>
r8 d,,^. g^. a^. h^. d^. g^. es^. d^. cis^. c^. h^. a^. g^. fis^. g^.
<<{\halsdown \slurUp d'8( c) c2.~c1}\\{\halsup s1 d'8( c) c2.}>>
r8 c,,^. f^. g^. a^. c^. f^. d^. c^. es^. d^. c^. b^. a^. g^. f^.
<<{\halsdown \slurUp c'8( b) b2.~b1}\\{\halsup s1 c'8( b) b2.}>>
r8 es,^. d^. es^. f^. g^. a^. b^.
b[( f]) f r g[( d]) d r
f[( c]) c4~c8( es f, c' d c b4)~b8
b^. a^. b^. f'^. es^. d^. es^. \times 4/5 {f( g a c b)}
b[( f]) f r g[( d]) d r
f[( c]) c4~c8( es f, c' b) r
}
}

motivZwei = {
% \global
   \new Voice \relative c' {
%   \halsup
d'8^. d^. cis[^. cis]^. c[^. c]^. h[^. h]^. b[^. b]^. a[^. a]^. g[^. 
g]^. 
fis^. r
}
}

themeZwei = {
% \global
   \new Voice \relative c'' {
%   \halsup
\motivZwei
g8[( a]) g[( fis]) g[( a]) g[( fis]) b[( c]) b[( a]) es'[( d]) c[( b])
\motivZwei
g8[( a]) g[( fis]) g[( a]) g[( fis]) b[( c]) b[( a])
}
}

themeZweiVar = {
% \global
   \new Voice \relative c'' {
%   \halsup
\motivZwei
g8[( a]) g[( fis]) g[( a]) g[( fis]) b[( c]) b[( a]) es'[( d]) c[( b])
\motivZwei
g8[( a]) g[( fis]) a[( h]) a[( gis]) c[( d]) c[( h])
}
}

sopran = {
\global
   \new Voice \relative c'' {
%   \halsup
<<{s4^\markup{Allegretto.}}\\{\halsup \themeEin}>> <<{s4_\markup{  
\concat {
G
\super
d
  } Orgue} }\\{\halsup \themeZwei}>>
<<{a8( h )}\\{4( s8)}>> r8 r4 r2
r4 8 r8  r8  r8
\slurUp 4(~8) r r2
r4 8 r 8 r 8 r 
4(~8) r r2
r4 8 r 8 r 8 r 
4(~8) r r2
r4 8^\markup{re - tar - dez - - -} r 8 r 8 r 
4(~8) r
<<{d'2( c8 f a, c d2 c a'4 g8 fis g4 a8 e f4 e8 d e4 f8 c d2
c8 f a, c e4. d8 c2 f4. g,8 a b c d c4. g8 f)^.^\markup{\concat {
1
\super
er
  } mouvt} }\\
{e2 f e f c' h4 b a as g f e2 f e f1~f2 4. 8~}>> 
% Theme en Fa
<<{s4_\markup{Positif} }\\{\transpose b f { \motivEin } }>>
<<{\halsdown \slurUp fis8( g c2.)~c1}\\{s1 \halsup fis8( g c2.)}>>
\transpose b f { r8 \motivEin }
<<{\halsdown \slurUp fis,,8( g c2.)~c1}\\{s1 \halsup fis8( g c2.)}>>
\transpose b f { r8^\markup{  \concat {
G
\super
d
  } Orgue} \motivEin }
g,8^. d^. g^. a^. b^. d^. g^. es^.
d^. des^. c^. b^. a^. g^. fis^. g^. 
a^. f^. a^. b^. c^. es^. a^. g^.
f^. e^. es^. d^. c^. b^. g^. a^.
b^. f^. b^. c^. d^. f^. b^. g^.
f^. e^. es^. d^. c^. b^. a^. b^.
des^. b^. g^. e'^.
des^._\markup{  \concat {
G
\super
d
  } Orgue} b^. g'^. e^. 
des^. b'^. g^. e^. des'^. b^. g^. e'^.
des^. b^. g^. des'^. b^. g^. e^. b'^.
g^. e^. des^. g^. e^. des^. b^. des^.
c( a b c es des c b 
c a b c es des c b 
c a b c e des c b 
c a b c e de

Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Graham Percival]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 08:40:24AM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> Graham Percival wrote:
>> Does Sibelius support musicXML?  I'm wondering if it might be
>> faster in the long run to help Reinhold with musicXML2ly.
>>
>
> I asked my student with Sibelius to send me his counterpoint project as  
> a musicXML file and he couldn't do it.  He was new with Sibelius but  
> when I poked around it for him I couldn't find a musicXML export option  
> anywhere.  :(

Your student fails the google test.  Third hit for "sibelius
musicxl":
http://www.sibelius.com/news/press130.html
(from 24 Oct 2007)


Granted, I don't know if you (or he) has sibelius 5.  :)

Cheers,
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Re: \compressFullBarRests does not seem to work in lilypond-2.10.33-1

[Graham Percival]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 01:21:12PM +, Arno Rog wrote:
> Arno Rog  gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Fresh install of lilypond-2.10.33-1.mingw.exe on WinXP.
> > 
> > \compressFullBarRests generates error: unknown escaped string:
> > `\compressFullBarRests'
> 
> Sorry, please disregard!
> 
> Downloaded inadvertently the old branch :-( instead of 2.13 branch.
> Where can I download 2.13 version?

You don't want the 2.13 version; it's for unstable development.
Download the 2.12 version from the lilypond.org website.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Jonathan Kulp]

Graham Percival wrote:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37:55AM -0600, Domain Admin wrote:

If anyone's interested, I've started work on a Sibelius plug-in to
export Lilypond data.  I know there were rumors of such a thing
floating around for a while, but I got tired of waiting and searching,
so I just started to cobble one together.


Does Sibelius support musicXML?  I'm wondering if it might be
faster in the long run to help Reinhold with musicXML2ly.

Cheers,
- Graham


I asked my student with Sibelius to send me his counterpoint project as 
a musicXML file and he couldn't do it.  He was new with Sibelius but 
when I poked around it for him I couldn't find a musicXML export option 
anywhere.  :(


Jon

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Re: an LM update

[Carl D. Sorensen]

On 3/23/09 6:25 AM, "James E. Bailey"  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you using Git? then use git-format-patch to generate the patch;
>> otherwise, use diff -u to obtain a diff with context lines.
>> 
>> --
>> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
>> 
>> The incredible carnival of Badajoz
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pacovila/tags/carnaval/show/
> Well, I followed the instructions on the Contributor's guide for
> using git to download the source, but I don't have a git-format-
> patch. I'm attaching two diffs, one done with the -u option, and the
> other with git diff.


git format-patch is what you type at the command line.

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Re: guitar tab feature request

[Carl D. Sorensen]

On 3/23/09 5:02 AM, "Marc Hohl"  wrote:
>>>
>> 
>> I assume that this will happen when tablature is updated.  As far as I know,
>> nobody is yet planning to do the work on tablature.  They are only planning
>> to put in the requests.
>> 
>> I'd be happy to have a Frog (even a new Frog, like you, Marc, if you're
>> interested or willing) take responsibility for tablature. I'd give any
>> advice that I could, and you'd have access to help from the lilypond-devel
>> list for those things that are beyond me.
>>  
> Hm, I think if everyone waits until someone else is doing the job, we'll
> have to be patient :-)
> Can you explain to me what a "Frog" is (and what he has to do)?
> I don't know much about scheme and the lilypond internals (yet?),
> but I am willing to spend some time in bringing this project further on,
> because the lack of specific tablature features is the main reason for
> me not using lilypond for every piece of music I write down.
> 

Frogs are LilyPond programmers in training.  The name comes from creatures
who live in the pond and hunt bugs.

You can read more about Frogs by searching the lilypond-devel mailing list
for Frog:



You can also see some Frog instructions by searching the archives of the
fr...@lilynet.net mailing list:




Specific instructions for contributing to LilyPond are found in the new
Contributors' Guide of the documentation:




HTH,

Carl



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Re: \compressFullBarRests does not seem to work in lilypond-2.10.33-1

[Arno Rog]

Arno Rog  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Fresh install of lilypond-2.10.33-1.mingw.exe on WinXP.
> 
> \compressFullBarRests generates error: unknown escaped string:
> `\compressFullBarRests'

Sorry, please disregard!

Downloaded inadvertently the old branch :-( instead of 2.13 branch.
Where can I download 2.13 version?

AWRog





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Re: \compressFullBarRests does not seem to work in lilypond-2.10.33-1

[Graham Percival]

Wasn't this added during 2.11?  Please download 2.12.2 and try
again.

Cheers,
- Graham

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 01:16:58PM +, Arno Rog wrote:
> L.S.
> 
> Fresh install of lilypond-2.10.33-1.mingw.exe on WinXP.
> 
> \compressFullBarRests generates error: unknown escaped string:
> `\compressFullBarRests'
> 
> AWRog
> 
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\compressFullBarRests does not seem to work in lilypond-2.10.33-1

[Arno Rog]

L.S.

Fresh install of lilypond-2.10.33-1.mingw.exe on WinXP.

\compressFullBarRests generates error: unknown escaped string:
`\compressFullBarRests'

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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Graham Percival]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37:55AM -0600, Domain Admin wrote:
> If anyone's interested, I've started work on a Sibelius plug-in to
> export Lilypond data.  I know there were rumors of such a thing
> floating around for a while, but I got tired of waiting and searching,
> so I just started to cobble one together.

Does Sibelius support musicXML?  I'm wondering if it might be
faster in the long run to help Reinhold with musicXML2ly.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Valentin Villenave]

2009/3/23 Jonathan Kulp :

>> If anyone's interested, I've started work on a Sibelius plug-in to
>> export Lilypond data.  I know there were rumors of such a thing
>> floating around for a while, but I got tired of waiting and searching,
>> so I just started to cobble one together.

> Matthew, I only know one person (a student of mine) who uses Sibelius but
> wanted to salute you for working on this plugin anyway.  I'll go ahead and
> ask my student to try exporting some of his files to Lilypond with it.

As you may know, Kirill has been working on that in 2006; back then I
had already written the first half of my opera using Sibelius and I
didn't want to LilyPond the whole thing manually -- but that's what I
ended up doing, and it actually proved to be much faster and more
exciting that what I was afraid of.

Anyway, good luck Matthew!

Regards,
Valentin


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Re: an LM update

[James E. Bailey]

Am 23.03.2009 um 13:06 schrieb Francisco Vila:


2009/3/23 James E. Bailey :
Attached is my attempt to make a .diff. It's my first time, so if  
I didn't

do it right, let me know. It's a learning process for me.


Are you using Git? then use git-format-patch to generate the patch;
otherwise, use diff -u to obtain a diff with context lines.

--
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)

The incredible carnival of Badajoz
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pacovila/tags/carnaval/show/
Well, I followed the instructions on the Contributor's guide for  
using git to download the source, but I don't have a git-format- 
patch. I'm attaching two diffs, one done with the -u option, and the  
other with git diff.


tutorial_-u_changes.diff
Description: Binary data


tutorial_git_changes.diff
Description: Binary data
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Re: an LM update

[Francisco Vila]

2009/3/23 James E. Bailey :
> Attached is my attempt to make a .diff. It's my first time, so if I didn't
> do it right, let me know. It's a learning process for me.

Are you using Git? then use git-format-patch to generate the patch;
otherwise, use diff -u to obtain a diff with context lines.

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New warning msg 2.13

[Nick Payne]

Just installed 2.13 (Windows). When I build an ly file, I get the warning:

(lilypond.exe:3688): GLib-WARNING **: Passing a non-NULL package to
g_win32_get_package_installation_directory() is deprecated and it is
ignored.

The file built ok and output looks file.

Nick



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Re: Sibelius conversion - sib2ly

[Jonathan Kulp]

Domain Admin wrote:

Hello all,

If anyone's interested, I've started work on a Sibelius plug-in to
export Lilypond data.  I know there were rumors of such a thing
floating around for a while, but I got tired of waiting and searching,
so I just started to cobble one together.

As of yet, all it can get from the score is some metadata such as
title and composer, and each staff, containing all pitches, durations,
key signatures, and time signatures.  Unfortunately, this excludes
lines, barlines, tuplets, text, lyrics, and all that jazz.  Testing
has been very minimal as of yet, but perhaps some of you would be
willing to offer some feedback.  So far, I've got a few simple piano
pieces expored into files that will compile right off the bat, which
is what I was after for an evening of work.

The plug-in is available at http://drupal.mjs-svc.com/sib2ly

Best,

Matthew Scott



Matthew, I only know one person (a student of mine) who uses Sibelius 
but wanted to salute you for working on this plugin anyway.  I'll go 
ahead and ask my student to try exporting some of his files to Lilypond 
with it.


Best of luck!

Jon
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Re: an LM update

[James E. Bailey]

Am 17.03.2009 um 10:39 schrieb Trevor Daniels:



Hi James

You wrote Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:00 AM


On 17.03.2009, at 00:47, Carl D. Sorensen wrote:





On 3/16/09 11:52 AM, "James E. Bailey"  
 wrote:





On 16.03.2009, at 16:43, Graham Percival wrote:


c) Can we just make the change so that more people aren't  
confused by

the issue. (I've answered another question related to this in the
last
week)


Yes, please do.  Carl can help you get started as a Frog; we
desperately need more people writing patches for such problems.


Perfect, where do I begin? I already know exactly what to change  
and

where.


Please look at the Contributor's Guide in the docs.  From the  
main  doc page
choose Developer's Resources, then you'll see the Contributor's  
Guide.


The best way to get started (although it's not the easiest) is to  
install
git and pull a copy of the repository from Savannah.  Then you  
can  make the
changes and create a patch.  The Contributor's Guide describes  
how  to do it.


I've gotten this far, and everything is fine.


If I understand this correctly, you're proposing to make changes  
to  the
docs, rather than the code.  Is that right?  If so, you should  
submit your

patch to Trevor Daniels, rather than to me.

Correct, will do.


Please let me know if you have further questions.
I don't know where to find the files that I would use to make the  
change. The Producing a patch and Documentation policy didn't help  
much in this regard. Is there somewhere that explains what the  
files  are? I have the Documentation, and I imagine that what I  
need is  somewhere in the user folder, but I'd hoped for a  
structure that  would have the learning manual and then the  
various sections of the  learning manual, so I can make the  
change. Regardless of how it's  organized, I just don't see where  
to find section 2.3.5 of the  Learning Manual. Help?


The source code of the LM is all in the
Documentation/user directory.  The file names are
roughly the same as the chapter or section names in
the manual, so you'll find 2.3.5 in tutorial.itely.

Attached is my attempt to make a .diff. It's my first time, so if I  
didn't do it right, let me know. It's a learning process for me. All  
I did was copy/paste the polyphony instructions from the Notation  
Reference, and updated the examples. I really do think it's very well  
written, and explains everything so well as it goes along, that I  
couldn't have done a better job trying to re-write it.


If this is okay, I'll take a look at the fundamental and see if I can  
help there.


tutorial_changes.diff
Description: Binary data



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Re: guitar tab feature request

[Marc Hohl]

A better definition of x would be

x = #(define-music-function (parser location notes) (ly:music?)
  #{
 \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross
 \set tablatureFormat = #x-tab-format
 $notes
 \unset tablatureFormat
 \revert NoteHead #'style
  #})

This version allows you to call

\x {c4 c c c}

if you want to have lots of notes muted.
  


Yes, that's even better :-)
  

Yes, I knew that already. I mentioned it because I hope that there will
be an additional file
(tablature.ly) shipped with future versions of lilypond with some
predefined commands
like these two. (By the way, tuplets and tuplet numbers should be
handled properly, too).




I assume that this will happen when tablature is updated.  As far as I know,
nobody is yet planning to do the work on tablature.  They are only planning
to put in the requests.

I'd be happy to have a Frog (even a new Frog, like you, Marc, if you're
interested or willing) take responsibility for tablature. I'd give any
advice that I could, and you'd have access to help from the lilypond-devel
list for those things that are beyond me.
  
Hm, I think if everyone waits until someone else is doing the job, we'll 
have to be patient :-)

Can you explain to me what a "Frog" is (and what he has to do)?
I don't know much about scheme and the lilypond internals (yet?),
but I am willing to spend some time in bringing this project further on,
because the lack of specific tablature features is the main reason for
me not using lilypond for every piece of music I write down.

Marc



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Re: New lilypond-based music website

[Dmytro O. Redchuk]

2009/3/20 Alberto Simões :
> Hello
>
> For the last days I am working on a new Portuguese web-site.
> It is available at http://musica-liturgica.net/, and includes Portuguese
> liturgical music.
Great :-)

May I suggest to turn point-and-click off
(sorry, i can not imagine how one could use that
path information).

>
> Cheers
> Alberto
> --
> Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho
>                 Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal

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Re: new Problem with Time-Sig

[Stefan Thomas]

Dear Neil,
thanks for Your help, Your code worked.
I don't have any problems with the horizontal position of the
TimeSignatures, but I'm still not happy with the vertical position.
Sometimes (if I have a stretch in the layout), the TimeSignature is
too far away, sometimes it is too close to the staff. Isn't there a
possiblitie to have a "magnetic position" for  TimeSignature's
vertical position?
This would be great!

2009/3/22 Neil Puttock :
> 2009/3/22 Stefan Thomas :
>> Dear Lilypond-users,
>> I've got a new problem, concerning the TimeSig-Context.
>> I don't understand, why the Time-Signature takes so much space in this
>> example, when the bar starts with a rest.
>> How can I change it?
>
> You can make it take up no space using 'extra-spacing-width; see `Grob
> sizing' in the Learning Manual
> (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Outside_002dstaff-objects#Outside_002dstaff-objects).
>
> \layout {
>  \context {
>    \RemoveEmptyStaffContext
>    \remove "Time_signature_engraver"
>  }
>  \context {
>    \Score
>    \consists "Text_spanner_engraver"
>    \consists "Time_signature_engraver"
>    \override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first = ##t
>    \override TimeSignature #'style = #'()
>    \override TimeSignature #'break-align-symbol = ##f
>    \override TimeSignature #'X-offset =
> #ly:self-alignment-interface::x-aligned-on-self
>    \override TimeSignature #'self-alignment-X = #CENTER
>    \override TimeSignature #'extra-spacing-width = #'(+inf.0 . -inf.0)
>    \override TimeSignature #'break-visibility = #end-of-line-invisible
>    \override TimeSignature #'font-size = #3
>    \override TimeSignature #'Y-offset = #1.5
>  }
>  % \context { \Voice \remove "Text_spanner_engraver" }
> }
>
> Regards,
> Neil
>


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Re: Is 2.13 out?

[Francisco Vila]

2009/3/23 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng :
> Hello,
>   I found Lilypond 2.13 is on the download page, but the links contain no
> file at all. Is 2.13 really out?

Yes, only the macros are for some reason not being expanded in the page.

Use this link in the meantime: http://download.linuxaudio.org/lilypond/binaries/
-- 
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)

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Re: Command switch based on Lily version?

[Mats Bengtsson]

Carl D. Sorensen wrote:


I think you should pick a version and write for it.  And then, if you want
to change versions, you should use convert-ly.
  

Unfortunately, this only works one way (2.10 -> 2.12, but not backwards).

   /Mats


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