RE: repeats and alternatives
Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Mark Polesky [markpole...@yahoo.com] Sent: 04 December 2010 23:03 To: James Bailey; Neil Puttock Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist Subject: Re: repeats and alternatives Neil Puttock wrote: In your first example, LilyPond sees three blocks of music inside \alternative since there's an isolated barcheck between the two music parts. This is a very easy mistake to make (and an annoying one to have to figure out on your own). Can someone mention this in the docs? - Mark - This has now been pushed as commit 066c166dd12014c596ebf557d23bbb728a318934. Thanks James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: \remove Note_heads_engraver =gt;no notes at all
Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Benjamin Peterson [benja...@python.org] Sent: 25 August 2010 15:17 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: \remove Note_heads_engraver =gt;no notes at all alexandros 706mq1xf at googlemail.com writes: Hello! Either I do not understand Note_heads_engraver correctly or I do something wrong. In the following code I removed the Note_heads_engraver and I expected to see only the stems and the beams. Instead of this, stems and beams disappeared. Could you point the problem to me please? The stem and beam engravers attach their objects to note heads, so when no note heads are produced, there's nothing for them to hang notes on. A note has been added to the Documentation in the Learning Manual (2.13.44-1) Commit: 066c166dd12014c596ebf557d23bbb728a318934. Thanks James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: centering the new Lyrics
Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Phil Holmes [m...@philholmes.net] Sent: 29 December 2010 12:26 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org; Keith OHara Subject: Re: centering the new Lyrics - Original Message - From: Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: centering the new Lyrics Dear engravers of lyrics, The next version of LilyPond will handle empty spaces within lyrics differently. If we have some adjacent lines of lyrics, version 2.12 collapses any empty sections, so the set of lines collapses to the minimum vertical height. The new system by default preserves the space for the empty sections[*], so that the lines remain consistently spaced. So far I have heard people want to do two things: (1) let interrupted lyrics collapse to a single line, (2) perfectly center a line of lyrics between two staves. The new system is very flexible, so we can do these things (attached). But the new system is complicated, so I always forget and need to relearn how to use it. I want to make a new snippet(s), or a shortcut command(s). Do people really want to do such things? What else? Is the attached .ly self-explanatory? -- Keith note[*] except between one line of Lyrics attached to the next staff #UP and another line attached to the next staff #DOWN. In this case LilyPond tries to let the lyrics collapse, but there is a bug (issue 1309) that sometimes prevents them from lining up perfectly. I'd appreciate a snippet in the LSR to explain this. Actually if this is changing default behaviour I'd like text in the NR proper than a snippet. james ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Irregular beat grouping (7/8-beat etc.)
On 29 December 2010 14:40, Akira i.love.the.pika...@gmail.com wrote: Lilypond version 2.13 does not accept this: \overrideBeamSettings #'Score #'(7 . 8) #'end#'((* . (2 2 3))) \overrideBeamSettings #'Score #'(9 . 8) #'end#'((* . (2 3 2 2)))%} So, I can get only the example of right, which confuses me. Please tell me how to solve this and get the example of left. Which 2.13 do you use? Please update to the latest (2.13.44) and then use \overrideTimeSignatureSettings #'(7 . 8) % timeSignatureFraction #'(1 . 8) % baseMomentFraction #'(2 2 3)% beatStructure #'() % beamExceptions \time 7/8 or simply \time 7/8 \set Timing.beatStructure = #'(2 2 3) See NR 1.2.4 Beams Setting automatic beam behavior in the _latest_ version of the doc: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/notation/beams.html#setting-automatic-beam-behavior Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Staff change in piano music � general approach?
Hello,
I am trying to typeset a Renaissance piece consisting of four voices
in a way that makes it easier to play the piece on the piano, i.e. put
the music into a PianoStaff. I have separated the individual voices and
stored them in variables in order to be able to also make a version
with four staff lines, one for each voice.
Sorry for not providing a minimal example, but I find it really hard to
make my point on this issue without the real music.
Now for my problem: when putting the four voices into a PianoStaff,
the beginning of the third voice creates many ledger lines, making
the music hard to read. What I'd like to do is move the first six bars
of the third voice from the second staff to the first staff. But my
attempt to do so, with the help of the manual, has caused quite a
mess, as you can see when uncommenting the commented lines in the
example given below.
What would be the best general approach for moving part of the third
voice to the first staff? Apparently LilyPond doesn't want to combine the
voices, just printing one on top of the other instead.
A general question, as I've never really used a mailing list before: I sent
this message via the post.gmane.org form. How do you normally handle
mailing lists? Am I supposed to subscribe to the list rather than use the
gmane form? Should I use a separate e-mail address for the list, in
order to keep these mails out of my main inbox? Sorry for my lack of
knowledge regarding mailing lists, but so far, I have only been using
regular web forums.
Regards,
Tobias
% example file
\version 2.12.3
global = {
\time 2/2
\key d \minor
}
soprano = \relative c'' {
\clef treble
\repeat volta 2 {
g'4 g d4. e8 |
fis4 fis g d |
g g d4. e8 |
fis4 fis g2 |
}
g4 g g4. f8 |
g8 a bes4 f2 |
f4 f f4. e8 |
f8 d g4 d4. e8 |
\repeat volta 2 {
f g f es d4. c8 |
bes8 a bes c d4. e8 |
f g f es d4 c8 bes |
a g fis4 g2 |
}
}
alto = \relative c'' {
\clef treble
\repeat volta 2 {
% \stemUp
b4 c b4. c8 |
d4 d8 c b2 |
b4 c b4. c8 |
d4 d b2 |
}
b4 c b4. c8 |
d4 d d2 |
% \stemDown
d4 a bes2 |
bes4 g8 a bes2 |
\repeat volta 2 {
bes4 a bes4. a8 |
g f g a bes4. c8 |
d4 c bes g |
f8 e d c b2 |
}
}
tenor = \relative c' {
\clef treble_8
\repeat volta 2 {
% \change Staff = upper
% \stemDown
g'4 g g2 |
a4 a g2 |
g4 g g2 |
a4 a g2 |
}
g4 g g4. a8 |
bes4 bes bes2 |
% \change Staff = lower
% \stemUp
f4 f d2 |
d4 es d2 |
\repeat volta 2 {
d4 c d2 |
es2 d4 f |
f2 f4 e |
a,2 g |
}
}
bass = \relative c' {
\clef bass
\repeat volta 2 {
g4 c, g'2 |
d g |
g4 c, g'2 |
d g, |
}
g'4 c, g'2 |
g4 g bes2 |
bes,4 f' bes,2 |
bes4 es bes2 |
\repeat volta 2 {
bes4 f' bes,2 |
es bes |
bes4 f' bes, c |
d2 g, |
}
}
rightHand = {
\global
\clef treble
\soprano \\ \alto
}
leftHand = {
\global
\clef bass
\tenor \\ \bass
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = upper \rightHand
\new Staff = lower \leftHand
}
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Re: Staff change in piano music â general approach?
- Original Message - From: Tobias Braun tob...@braun-oberkochen.de To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Staff change in piano music â?? general approach? Hello, I am trying to typeset a Renaissance piece consisting of four voices in a way that makes it easier to play the piece on the piano, i.e. put the music into a PianoStaff. I have separated the individual voices and stored them in variables in order to be able to also make a version with four staff lines, one for each voice. Sorry for not providing a minimal example, but I find it really hard to make my point on this issue without the real music. Now for my problem: when putting the four voices into a PianoStaff, the beginning of the third voice creates many ledger lines, making the music hard to read. What I'd like to do is move the first six bars of the third voice from the second staff to the first staff. But my attempt to do so, with the help of the manual, has caused quite a mess, as you can see when uncommenting the commented lines in the example given below. What would be the best general approach for moving part of the third voice to the first staff? Apparently LilyPond doesn't want to combine the voices, just printing one on top of the other instead. Instead of using \stemUp and \stemDown, have a look at using voices to control the placement of notes. See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Simultaneous-notes#Simultaneous-notes for information on this. A general question, as I've never really used a mailing list before: I sent this message via the post.gmane.org form. How do you normally handle mailing lists? Am I supposed to subscribe to the list rather than use the gmane form? Should I use a separate e-mail address for the list, in order to keep these mails out of my main inbox? Sorry for my lack of knowledge regarding mailing lists, but so far, I have only been using regular web forums. It's up to you. If you're going to use the list frequently, you'll probably find it easier to subscribe. You may want to use an email address that's disposable, since you'll probably get more spam because of the email address being more widely visible. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Grace notes with fixed spacing
Hi list. Yes, I have rtfm, but I didn't find the answer, so here goes. Is there some way to always render a group of notes (grace notes in this case, but I guess this would be a general fix) with a fixed spacing that is not affected by the layout process? In my case I need it for typesetting Scottish Highland Bagpipe music, which has lots of complex gracenotes and (generally) a requirement for a fixed number of bars per line. This will often make the grace notes very uneven which does not look so good. I would like to always render the grace note groups with the same inter-note spacing and only have the layout process add space between normal notes. I've attached some examples of differences in spacing for the same note group. Thanks a lot -- Sven Axelsson ++[+ -].+..+.+.-.+... +++.-.++..++.++.... attachment: red_speckled_bull.pdf (page 2 of 3).pngattachment: red_speckled_bull.pdf (page 1 of 3).png___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Grace notes with fixed spacing
Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Sven Axelsson [sven.axels...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 December 2010 15:17 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Grace notes with fixed spacing Hi list. Yes, I have rtfm, but I didn't find the answer, so here goes. Is there some way to always render a group of notes (grace notes in this case, but I guess this would be a general fix) with a fixed spacing that is not affected by the layout process? In my case I need it for typesetting Scottish Highland Bagpipe music, which has lots of complex gracenotes and (generally) a requirement for a fixed number of bars per line. This will often make the grace notes very uneven which does not look so good. I would like to always render the grace note groups with the same inter-note spacing and only have the layout process add space between normal notes. I've attached some examples of differences in spacing for the same note group. --- Grace notes are handled differently from normal notes as the documentation says However have you looked at this section ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Grace notes with fixed spacing
Hello, I' m sorry I'll type that again...
From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org
[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Sven
Axelsson [sven.axels...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 December 2010 15:17
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Grace notes with fixed spacing
Hi list.
Yes, I have rtfm, but I didn't find the answer, so here goes.
Is there some way to always render a group of notes (grace notes in
this case, but I guess this would be a general fix) with a fixed
spacing that is not affected by the layout process? In my case I need
it for typesetting Scottish Highland Bagpipe music, which has lots of
complex gracenotes and (generally) a requirement for a fixed number of
bars per line. This will often make the grace notes very uneven which
does not look so good. I would like to always render the grace note
groups with the same inter-note spacing and only have the layout
process add space between normal notes.
I've attached some examples of differences in spacing for the same note group.
---
Grace notes are handled differently from normal notes as the documentation says
However have you looked at this section
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/notation/changing-horizontal-spacing
This tells you how to alter the spacing to suit your needs.
You say you need a fixed number of measures/bars per line, well you can easily
put in \break where you want or you can create a second voice within the same
system and break it at every xth Bar.
A very simple example
breaks = {
\repeat unfold 4 { s1 | s1 | s1 | s1 \break }
}
music = {
\repeat unfold 16 { a4 b c' d' }
}
\score {
\new Staff
\new Voice { \music }
\new Voice { \breaks }
}
This will break 16 bars of music at every 4th bar.
Change the values to suit your time signature/number of bars per line.
Depending on your specific examples you may or may not get exactly what you
need without much more manual tweaking of each measure.
James
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Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
Some further thoughts below - Original Message - From: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com To: Sven Axelsson sven.axels...@gmail.com; lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Grace notes with fixed spacing Hello, I' m sorry I'll type that again... From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Sven Axelsson [sven.axels...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 December 2010 15:17 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Grace notes with fixed spacing Hi list. Yes, I have rtfm, but I didn't find the answer, so here goes. Is there some way to always render a group of notes (grace notes in this case, but I guess this would be a general fix) with a fixed spacing that is not affected by the layout process? In my case I need it for typesetting Scottish Highland Bagpipe music, which has lots of complex gracenotes and (generally) a requirement for a fixed number of bars per line. This will often make the grace notes very uneven which does not look so good. I would like to always render the grace note groups with the same inter-note spacing and only have the layout process add space between normal notes. I've attached some examples of differences in spacing for the same note group. == [snip James' thoughts] You might also want to look at the information about proportional notation: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/notation/proportional-notation Also you could consider using small normal notes rather than grace notes - this way the time interval occupied by the note is maintained. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: centering the new Lyrics
On Mon 27 Dec 2010, 23:08 Keith OHara wrote: Dear engravers of lyrics, I want to make a new snippet(s), or a shortcut command(s). Do people really want to do such things? What else? Is the attached .ly self-explanatory? Great. Thank you a lot. I wonder how these lyrics contexts will behave across linebreaks and i am sorry very much that i can not test it right now :-) Thank you. -- Keith note[*] except between one line of Lyrics attached to the next staff #UP and another line attached to the next staff #DOWN. In this case LilyPond tries to let the lyrics collapse, but there is a bug (issue 1309) that sometimes prevents them from lining up perfectly. -- Dmytro O. Redchuk Bug Squad ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
- Original Message - From: Sven Axelsson sven.axels...@gmail.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing On 29 December 2010 17:00, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: You might also want to look at the information about proportional notation: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/notation/proportional-notation Also you could consider using small normal notes rather than grace notes - this way the time interval occupied by the note is maintained. Yes, there are lots of interesting things you can do with Lilypond. Proportional notation, however, is exactly the opposite of what I want. I really need the grace notes to be spaced as tightly as possible without any regard to their duration. I am currently playing around with SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment for this. No luck so far though. Please reply-all, to keep any discussion on the newsgroup. I was aware that you weren't trying to use proportional spacing, rather the opposite, but thought there might be some handy pointers there. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
OK, rtfm:ing and testing a bit further.
I created a music function like this:
pgrace = #(define-music-function (parser location notes) (ly:music?)
#{ \newSpacingSection
\override Score.SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #0.9
% override Score.SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing = ##t
\grace $notes
#}
)
in order to play around with different space settings.
I then have definintions like for instance
cad = { \pgrace { \small g32[ e8 d32] } }
that previously used plain grace instead of pgrace.
In the function above I've commented out strict-grace-spacing. That
setting does more or less what I want, but causes other spacing
problems as noted in the documentation. spacing-increment doesn't help
me much.
Does anyone here have a clue of what magic settings I could plug into
the music function to get the desired non-stretchable spacing? Or
maybe it isn't even possible?
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beamExceptions and shorter notes
Hi Carl, LilyPond users, In the doc NR 1.2.4 Beams Setting automatic beam behavior (latest version: 2.13.44) under How automatic beaming works, third point, it is said: • if a beam-ending rule is defined in beamExceptions for a longer beam-type, use it to determined the valid places where beams may end, otherwise [...] This is _not_ true for default beaming (i.e. 4/4), right? In 4/4, there is a beamExceptions for 8th notes that combines beats 1,2 and 3,4, but this does not affect beaming rules for shorter beam-types (16th, ...) that are beamed according to beamMoment (1 . 4) . How is it possible? I ask this because we have a request on the French user mailing list to beam *in 2/4* 8th by 4 but without affecting shorter beam-types. And of course in this case if I use \time 2/4 \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'( (end . ( ((1 . 8) . (4)) ))) then the beaming of shorter notes is determined by this and that's not what is wanted! (only 8th note should be beamed by measure, not shorter notes that should be beamed according to beamMoment (1 . 4) like in 4/4?!) If you have another better solution to handle this situation, feel free! Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: beamExceptions and shorter notes
On 12/29/10 10:29 AM, Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl, LilyPond users, In the doc NR 1.2.4 Beams Setting automatic beam behavior (latest version: 2.13.44) under How automatic beaming works, third point, it is said: ? if a beam-ending rule is defined in beamExceptions for a longer beam-type, use it to determined the valid places where beams may end, otherwise [...] This is _not_ true for default beaming (i.e. 4/4), right? In 4/4, there is a beamExceptions for 8th notes that combines beats 1,2 and 3,4, but this does not affect beaming rules for shorter beam-types (16th, ...) that are beamed according to beamMoment (1 . 4) . How is it possible? If you look at the default beaming rules defined in scm/time-signature-settings.scm, you'll see that there is a beam ending rule for (1 . 8) (4 4) followed by a beam ending rule for (1 . 12) (3 3 3 3). This makes the 1/8 beam ending rule apply only to 1/8; for all shorter beams, the 1/12 beam ending rule applies. I ask this because we have a request on the French user mailing list to beam *in 2/4* 8th by 4 but without affecting shorter beam-types. And of course in this case if I use \time 2/4 \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'( (end . ( ((1 . 8) . (4)) ((1 . 12) . (3 3)) ))) then the beaming of shorter notes is determined by this and that's not what is wanted! (only 8th note should be beamed by measure, not shorter notes that should be beamed according to beamMoment (1 . 4) like in 4/4?!) If you have another better solution to handle this situation, feel free! Whenever anybody has a question about setting beam rules, the first place to look is probably scm/time-signature-settings.scm. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: beamExceptions and shorter notes
On 29 December 2010 18:34, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: If you look at the default beaming rules defined in scm/time-signature-settings.scm, you'll see that there is a beam ending rule for (1 . 8) (4 4) followed by a beam ending rule for (1 . 12) (3 3 3 3). This makes the 1/8 beam ending rule apply only to 1/8; for all shorter beams, the 1/12 beam ending rule applies. [...] Whenever anybody has a question about setting beam rules, the first place to look is probably scm/time-signature-settings.scm. Right! Actually I was looking at scm/time-signature-settings.scm when I was writing this message (and before also of course)! But I did not think at the effect of this second rule. It seems so obvious now that you mention it! Thanks a lot for this quick and useful answer! Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Sven Axelsson wrote:
OK, rtfm:ing and testing a bit further.
I created a music function like this:
pgrace = #(define-music-function (parser location notes) (ly:music?)
#{ \newSpacingSection
\override Score.SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #0.9
% override Score.SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing = ##t
\grace $notes
#}
)
in order to play around with different space settings.
I then have definintions like for instance
cad = { \pgrace { \small g32[ e8 d32] } }
that previously used plain grace instead of pgrace.
In the function above I've commented out strict-grace-spacing. That
setting does more or less what I want, but causes other spacing
problems as noted in the documentation. spacing-increment doesn't help
me much.
Does anyone here have a clue of what magic settings I could plug into
the music function to get the desired non-stretchable spacing? Or
maybe it isn't even possible?
Maybe the bagpipe settings will help you.
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Bagpipes#Bagpipes
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Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
On 29 December 2010 19:04, James Bailey derhindem...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Sven Axelsson wrote:
OK, rtfm:ing and testing a bit further.
I created a music function like this:
pgrace = #(define-music-function (parser location notes) (ly:music?)
#{ \newSpacingSection
\override Score.SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #0.9
% override Score.SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing = ##t
\grace $notes
#}
)
in order to play around with different space settings.
I then have definintions like for instance
cad = { \pgrace { \small g32[ e8 d32] } }
that previously used plain grace instead of pgrace.
In the function above I've commented out strict-grace-spacing. That
setting does more or less what I want, but causes other spacing
problems as noted in the documentation. spacing-increment doesn't help
me much.
Does anyone here have a clue of what magic settings I could plug into
the music function to get the desired non-stretchable spacing? Or
maybe it isn't even possible?
Maybe the bagpipe settings will help you.
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Bagpipes#Bagpipes
Well, no not really. I am the author of those and now trying to
improve them a bit. :)
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Re: centering the new Lyrics
On 12/29/10 5:41 AM, James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com wrote: Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Phil Holmes [m...@philholmes.net] Sent: 29 December 2010 12:26 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org; Keith OHara Subject: Re: centering the new Lyrics - Original Message - From: Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: centering the new Lyrics Dear engravers of lyrics, The next version of LilyPond will handle empty spaces within lyrics differently. If we have some adjacent lines of lyrics, version 2.12 collapses any empty sections, so the set of lines collapses to the minimum vertical height. The new system by default preserves the space for the empty sections[*], so that the lines remain consistently spaced. So far I have heard people want to do two things: (1) let interrupted lyrics collapse to a single line, (2) perfectly center a line of lyrics between two staves. The new system is very flexible, so we can do these things (attached). But the new system is complicated, so I always forget and need to relearn how to use it. I want to make a new snippet(s), or a shortcut command(s). Do people really want to do such things? What else? Is the attached .ly self-explanatory? -- Keith note[*] except between one line of Lyrics attached to the next staff #UP and another line attached to the next staff #DOWN. In this case LilyPond tries to let the lyrics collapse, but there is a bug (issue 1309) that sometimes prevents them from lining up perfectly. I'd appreciate a snippet in the LSR to explain this. Actually if this is changing default behaviour I'd like text in the NR proper than a snippet. Because it requires \override, it will need to be a snippet in Documentation/snippets/new, which will eventually become part of the LSR. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Irregular beat grouping (7/8-beat etc.)
On 12/29/10 6:40 AM, Akira i.love.the.pika...@gmail.com wrote: Lilypond version 2.13 does not accept this: \overrideBeamSettings #'Score #'(7 . 8) #'end#'((* . (2 2 3))) \overrideBeamSettings #'Score #'(9 . 8) #'end#'((* . (2 3 2 2)))%} So, I can get only the example of right, which confuses me. Please tell me how to solve this and get the example of left. Please review the notation reference, section 1.2 Setting automatic beam behavior. \set Score.BeatStructure = #'(2 2 3) If you are going to mix your music between 7/8 and 9/8, you'll probably want to refer to Notation Reference 1.1 Time signatures. You'll want to use \overrideTimeSignatureSettings #'(7 . 8) % timeSignatureFraction #'(1 . 8) % baseMomentFraction #'(2 2 3)% beatStructure #'() % beamExceptions \overrideTimeSignatureSettings #'(9 . 8) % timeSignatureFraction #'(1 . 8) % baseMomentFraction #'(2 3 2 2)% beatStructure #'() % beamExceptions Then, when you change the time signature to 7/8 and 9/8, you'll automatically get the beaming you want. HTH, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
On 29 December 2010 18:10, Sven Axelsson sven.axels...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, rtfm:ing and testing a bit further.
I created a music function like this:
pgrace = #(define-music-function (parser location notes) (ly:music?)
#{ \newSpacingSection
\override Score.SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #0.9
% override Score.SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing = ##t
\grace $notes
#}
)
Just a hint.
Instead of defining your own music function you could change the default
behaviour of grace notes by redefining the variables startGraceMusic,
stopGraceMusic (defined in the file ly/grace-init.ly ) to include this
\override within the definition of \grace .
In this way you can continue using normal \grace command without
having to call your function every time.
BTW I think you should consider Score.GraceSpacing instead of
Score.SpacingSpanner (just an idea).
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/internals/gracespacing
Does anyone here have a clue of what magic settings I could plug into
the music function to get the desired non-stretchable spacing? Or
maybe it isn't even possible?
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Xavier
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Re: Grace notes with fixed spacing
On 29 December 2010 22:20, Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 December 2010 18:10, Sven Axelsson sven.axels...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, rtfm:ing and testing a bit further.
I created a music function like this:
pgrace = #(define-music-function (parser location notes) (ly:music?)
#{ \newSpacingSection
\override Score.SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #0.9
% override Score.SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing = ##t
\grace $notes
#}
)
Just a hint.
Instead of defining your own music function you could change the default
behaviour of grace notes by redefining the variables startGraceMusic,
stopGraceMusic (defined in the file ly/grace-init.ly ) to include this
\override within the definition of \grace .
In this way you can continue using normal \grace command without
having to call your function every time.
In fact I prefer to have a special function for this, because that
lets me use both normal \grace and special behavior \pgrace in the
same score. In some cases, for instance, I want to be able to remove
all (special) grace notes from the output just by setting a variable,
and that is easy using the \pgrace function.
BTW I think you should consider Score.GraceSpacing instead of
Score.SpacingSpanner (just an idea).
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/internals/gracespacing
Considered, tested, and working! Using \override Score.GraceSpacing
#'spacing-increment = #0 gives exactly the output I want. Thank you
for that.
It appears like the value of spacing-increment is multiplied with the
spring value from the layout routine, so using zero, or a small value
(up to 0.25 seems to work) will make the grace note group in effect
unstretchable. This is great, but I would not have guessed it worked
that way just from reading the manual.
Hope that helps.
It did indeed.
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Changing the length of partial beams
Since having great success in getting an answer for my last question
to the list, here's another:
In a grace note sequence such as \grace { \small g32[ e8 d32] }, the
gap between the stem of the e8 and the beams of the 32 notes is very
small. Is there a tweak to increase this gap somewhat?
I already tried the obvious \override Score.Beam #'gap, but it appears
like that is only used for tremolo beams. Or perhaps it doesn't work
with grace notes.
Thanks a lot
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Bug in 2.13.44-1?
Is this a bug? Interpreting music... /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm:208:9: In procedure chord-name-pop-markup in expression (name-root root lowercase-root?): /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm:208:9: Wrong number of arguments to #procedure chord-name-pop-markup (pitch) Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Wed Dec 29 20:48:49 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 1.2.0
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Wilbert Berendsen lily...@xs4all.nl wrote: ... There will also be a custom PDF preview with two-way point and click integration: moving the text cursor highlights objects in the PDF and objects in the PDF can directly be manipulated because the built-in parser knows that type of object they represent. The parser is already quite good and also provides the highlighting. Plan is also to integrate MIDI input so that rumor is not needed anymore. But this needs a MIDI backend and that is not yet done. Have you found a Python MIDI module that you would use to replace rumor? I'm curious how much work it would be to create a simple MIDI chord-entry functionality (in which a MIDI chord appears directly in the text area and no rhythms are parsed), because I helped write something similar for LilyPondTool. At least for me, writing it in Python would be way more fun than Java! Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Bug in 2.13.44-1?
On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: Is this a bug? Interpreting music... /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm:208:9: In procedure chord-name-pop-markup in expression (name-root root lowercase-root?): /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/share/lilypond/current/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm:208:9: Wrong number of arguments to #procedure chord-name-pop-markup (pitch) Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Wed Dec 29 20:48:49 Can you provide a tiny example which generates this error? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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