Re: Anyone using a tablet for lily?
Eduardo Silva writes: What I would be interested in is a WYSIWYG editor that would be able to take down notes and output a basic ly file, perhaps to Dropbox. Have a look at http://lilypond.org/schikkers Greetings Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tablet
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jan Rosseel j...@rosseel.com wrote: www.scora.net is absolutely on track. It's Lilypond based, but Lilypond does not run on the tablet. One can't change the score on the tablet, but one can annotate or create his own personal score (cue notes, key, clefs, ...) It's more limited than an editor, but usable by people that have never heard of Lilypond. Scores have to be structured in a certain way to make this work. Scora allows syncing of the tablets in an orchestra through the master console of the conductor. Visit www.lao.be to see where and when you can first see this in action. Interesting. Are you rendering with lilypond on the fly? Or are you rendering a pdf that was previously generated by lilypond? -Jay ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: tablet
It's not on-the-fly, but rather on-demand. Given the slowness of Lilypond, even on a fast machine, one has to count many seconds to render a part of a symphony. 4th part of Sibelius5 for example takes 20 seconds on a Core i7 for the violin parts. The trombone part is done before I can type this sentence :-) (Yes, I'm a trombone player...) So it can never be on the fly. Except if we find a good solution for partial rendering, but even with clever skipTypesetting markers, it's just too slow for the immediate feedback that one expects from WYSIWYG programs. Even more so when taking to roundtrip time to the rendering server and back. And no, I'm not rendering PDF. I have my own backend for Lilypond, largely based on the SVG backend. -Original Message- From: Jay Anderson [mailto:horndud...@gmail.com] Sent: donderdag 1 augustus 2013 8:40 To: Jan Rosseel Cc: lilypond-user Subject: Re: tablet On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jan Rosseel j...@rosseel.com wrote: www.scora.net is absolutely on track. It's Lilypond based, but Lilypond does not run on the tablet. One can't change the score on the tablet, but one can annotate or create his own personal score (cue notes, key, clefs, ...) It's more limited than an editor, but usable by people that have never heard of Lilypond. Scores have to be structured in a certain way to make this work. Scora allows syncing of the tablets in an orchestra through the master console of the conductor. Visit www.lao.be to see where and when you can first see this in action. Interesting. Are you rendering with lilypond on the fly? Or are you rendering a pdf that was previously generated by lilypond? -Jay ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tablet
Jan Rosseel j...@rosseel.com writes: It's not on-the-fly, but rather on-demand. Given the slowness of Lilypond, even on a fast machine, one has to count many seconds to render a part of a symphony. 4th part of Sibelius5 for example takes 20 seconds on a Core i7 for the violin parts. The trombone part is done before I can type this sentence :-) (Yes, I'm a trombone player...) So it can never be on the fly. Except if we find a good solution for partial rendering, but even with clever skipTypesetting markers, it's just too slow for the immediate feedback that one expects from WYSIWYG programs. Even more so when taking to roundtrip time to the rendering server and back. And no, I'm not rendering PDF. I have my own backend for Lilypond, largely based on the SVG backend. How far into Cairo? URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3317 -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Create different pdf layers
I have brought this up before without success. But as my interest reappeared I'll try it again with a slightly more specific question. When LilyPond finally renders its objects 'on paper' how complicated would it be to allow it to print on layers that show up as separate layers in the final pdf? I would consider this a very useful enhancement. As a first step this could and should be done without any layout considerations, i.e. without changing anything in the layout engine. Simply put grobs on the default or a dedicated layer with a syntax something like \new Layer = Annotations \change Layer = Annotations \change Layer = Default Instead of the \new Layer command I also could imagine defining layers in the \paper block There is much more potential in this, but just to show what I mean (with a known construct): If I could print the result of annotate-spacing on a different layer I could simply switch that layer on and off in a pdf viewer. Or if I have layout-indifferent additions like the control-points visualization in http://lilypondblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chopin-beams-5.preview.png it would be nice to be able to switch them on and off without having to recompile the file. Any ideas? Urs PS: As a first step it already would be nice to know - where (in the code) LilyPond actually 'prints' its objects (and where to) - where I can find concise and understandable information about how PDF layers are created (in the sense of creating them when writing a file, not how to create them in Acrobat or the like) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Create different pdf layers
On 1 août 2013, at 11:15, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I have brought this up before without success. But as my interest reappeared I'll try it again with a slightly more specific question. When LilyPond finally renders its objects 'on paper' how complicated would it be to allow it to print on layers that show up as separate layers in the final pdf? I would consider this a very useful enhancement. As a first step this could and should be done without any layout considerations, i.e. without changing anything in the layout engine. Simply put grobs on the default or a dedicated layer with a syntax something like \new Layer = Annotations \change Layer = Annotations \change Layer = Default Instead of the \new Layer command I also could imagine defining layers in the \paper block Hey Urs, Great idea - this would be useful. As far as I know, the PS standard doesn't support any native form of layering, and LilyPond pre-renders to PS before PDF. I think your best bet would be to give objects ids in SVG (i.e. \override NoteHead.id = #foo) and then write an XML parser to combine variously id'd objects into SVG groups. Python's xml.dom.minidom library is great for this. I'm not sure how this information would translate into PDF layers (nor am I sure if all PDF readers support layers), but it'd certainly allow you to have a layered approach in something like Inkscape. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Create different pdf layers
Hi Urs,
isn't the layer grob property what you want?
This is what I use to interrupt ties (or slurs) if they collide with a
time signature:
% to have the time sig behind the staff symbol
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'layer = #-5
% whiteout anything behind the time sig
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'whiteout = ##t
% ties are behind the time sig
\override Tie #'layer = #-10
Now you can listen for the grob-interface and look, if its set to a
specific number and then do anything whith the grob (color it or set the
stencil to #f)
The layer may be a procedure, so it may be set conditionally by some
other method.
Best, Jan-Peter
On 01.08.2013 10:15, Urs Liska wrote:
I have brought this up before without success. But as my interest
reappeared I'll try it again with a slightly more specific question.
When LilyPond finally renders its objects 'on paper' how complicated
would it be to allow it to print on layers that show up as separate
layers in the final pdf?
I would consider this a very useful enhancement.
As a first step this could and should be done without any layout
considerations, i.e. without changing anything in the layout engine.
Simply put grobs on the default or a dedicated layer with a syntax
something like
\new Layer = Annotations
\change Layer = Annotations
\change Layer = Default
Instead of the \new Layer command I also could imagine defining layers
in the \paper block
There is much more potential in this, but just to show what I mean
(with a known construct):
If I could print the result of annotate-spacing on a different layer I
could simply switch that layer on and off in a pdf viewer.
Or if I have layout-indifferent additions like the control-points
visualization in
http://lilypondblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chopin-beams-5.preview.png
it would be nice to be able to switch them on and off without having
to recompile the file.
Any ideas?
Urs
PS: As a first step it already would be nice to know
- where (in the code) LilyPond actually 'prints' its objects (and
where to)
- where I can find concise and understandable information about how
PDF layers are created
(in the sense of creating them when writing a file, not how to
create them in Acrobat or the like)
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\version 2.16.1
gac = #(make-engraver
(acknowledgers
((grob-interface engraver grob source-engraver)
(let ((layer (ly:grob-property grob 'layer)))
(ly:message ~A layer ~A grob layer)
(if (eq? 1 layer) (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'color red))
))
))
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\consists #gac
\override NoteHead #'layer = #(lambda (grob) 1)
}
}
\relative c'' { c4 }
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Re: Create different pdf layers
Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org writes: As far as I know, the PS standard doesn't support any native form of layering, and LilyPond pre-renders to PS before PDF. But it converts the PostScript to PDF using Ghostscript, and Ghostscript will both read and write PDF and PostScript, so it is quite likely that there are some instructions in Ghostscript's version of the PostScript language that would get converted into layer instructions in PDF. For example, we use the pdfmark command for generating embedded links. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Create different pdf layers
Am 2013-08-01 um 15:25 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org writes: As far as I know, the PS standard doesn't support any native form of layering, and LilyPond pre-renders to PS before PDF. But it converts the PostScript to PDF using Ghostscript, and Ghostscript will both read and write PDF and PostScript, so it is quite likely that there are some instructions in Ghostscript's version of the PostScript language that would get converted into layer instructions in PDF. For example, we use the pdfmark command for generating embedded links. Of course, you can get nearly every PDF feature through PS using pdfmarks. Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Create different pdf layers
Am 01.08.2013 11:07, schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt: isn't the layer grob property what you want? no, it isn't ... but if one comes up with the right pdfmark ps command, there has to be a check of this layer property to avoid inconsistent lily- and pdf-layers. Best, Jan-Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Create different pdf layers
Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de schrieb: Am 01.08.2013 11:07, schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt: isn't the layer grob property what you want? no, it isn't ... but if one comes up with the right pdfmark ps command, there has to be a check of this layer property to avoid inconsistent lily- and pdf-layers. Best, Jan-Peter I could imagine declaring a specific lilypond layer as a pdf layer at the top of the file and later look for elements of this layer. That way I would be responsible myself and by default there wouldn't be any matching inconcistencies. Something like #(set-pdf-layer annotations 57) #(set-pdf-layer control-points 58) Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Create different pdf layers
Am 01.08.2013 15:01, schrieb Urs Liska: I could imagine declaring a specific lilypond layer as a pdf layer at the top of the file and later look for elements of this layer. That way I would be responsible myself and by default there wouldn't be any matching inconcistencies. Something like #(set-pdf-layer annotations 57) #(set-pdf-layer control-points 58) or you might have layer boundaries: #(set-pdf-layers '(-3 0 3 7) '(cellar normal upper control-points annotations) meaning that layers = -3 - cellar = 0 - normal = 3 - upper = 7 - control-points 7 - annotations but looking at this ... I think this not explanable ... its not a good idea ;) JP ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: feature request: abs-fontsize available for all text grobs
Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Hi Kieren, I did some checks on the absolute font-sizes: - If you do a stencil-add on a stencil created via grob-interpret-markup and interpret-markup inside a normal markup, they exactly match- - If you do a pixel by pixel compare (I did in gimp) a Lyric markup with an abs-font-size with different global-staff-sizes, they also match ... ... but you have to move the letter. IMO this is reasonable, because different staff-sizes mean different scaling of anything else but these absolute scaled fonts. Now if you import a simple PDF with a single 'X' 42pt into Libre/OpenOffice, it will show the found font-sizes of the text-objects. If you create the PDF with LibreOffice Century Schoolbook L 42pt and reimport that PDF, you will have exactly 42pt. If you create PDF files with an absolute-font-size of 42pt, it will result in 41,9pt in the reimported file - regardless of the global-staff-size. AFAICS the font-size is absolute, but there seems to be a calculation inaccuracy of 0.1pt. Does the patch in URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3483 help? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: feature request: abs-fontsize available for all text grobs
... maybe this is related to this issue: https://codereview.appspot.com/12242043/ Am 01.08.2013 15:21, schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt: Hi Kieren, I did some checks on the absolute font-sizes: - If you do a stencil-add on a stencil created via grob-interpret-markup and interpret-markup inside a normal markup, they exactly match- - If you do a pixel by pixel compare (I did in gimp) a Lyric markup with an abs-font-size with different global-staff-sizes, they also match ... ... but you have to move the letter. IMO this is reasonable, because different staff-sizes mean different scaling of anything else but these absolute scaled fonts. Now if you import a simple PDF with a single 'X' 42pt into Libre/OpenOffice, it will show the found font-sizes of the text-objects. If you create the PDF with LibreOffice Century Schoolbook L 42pt and reimport that PDF, you will have exactly 42pt. If you create PDF files with an absolute-font-size of 42pt, it will result in 41,9pt in the reimported file - regardless of the global-staff-size. AFAICS the font-size is absolute, but there seems to be a calculation inaccuracy of 0.1pt. Best, Jan-Peter Am 01.08.2013 06:33, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Here's a side-by-side comparison with the default staff size (on the right) and set-global-size 25 (on the left), each blown up to 600% in a PDF viewer: ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: feature request: abs-fontsize available for all text grobs
Hi, Blame it on late-night craziness… =\ I just did another test with staff sizes 8 and 80, and the fonts do seem to be absolute(ly the same). Sorry for the noise. Please confirm currency for bounty. Thanks, Kieren. On 2013-Aug-1, at 09:21, Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Kieren, I did some checks on the absolute font-sizes: - If you do a stencil-add on a stencil created via grob-interpret-markup and interpret-markup inside a normal markup, they exactly match- - If you do a pixel by pixel compare (I did in gimp) a Lyric markup with an abs-font-size with different global-staff-sizes, they also match ... ... but you have to move the letter. IMO this is reasonable, because different staff-sizes mean different scaling of anything else but these absolute scaled fonts. Now if you import a simple PDF with a single 'X' 42pt into Libre/OpenOffice, it will show the found font-sizes of the text-objects. If you create the PDF with LibreOffice Century Schoolbook L 42pt and reimport that PDF, you will have exactly 42pt. If you create PDF files with an absolute-font-size of 42pt, it will result in 41,9pt in the reimported file - regardless of the global-staff-size. AFAICS the font-size is absolute, but there seems to be a calculation inaccuracy of 0.1pt. Best, Jan-Peter Am 01.08.2013 06:33, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Here's a side-by-side comparison with the default staff size (on the right) and set-global-size 25 (on the left), each blown up to 600% in a PDF viewer: grob-interpret-markup-abs-fontsize3.lyabs-font-size-14.lyabs-font-size-24.ly ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: feature request: abs-fontsize available for all text grobs
Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Am 01.08.2013 um 15:40 schrieb: Does the patch in URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3483 help? -- David Kastrup I will try later That's what a quick googling showed up for me too. I would not exactly claim that my knowledge of that page came about by quick googling. If yours did, that would commend the speed with which Google's database gets updated. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
I have Windows Vista Version6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
- Original Message - From: Robert robert.hon...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? I have Windows Vista Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? Simple and accurate answer - I haven't, because I've not tried. I do have 2.16.0 running and 14 2.17.x versions running, all on 64 bit Vista. How exactly are you trying to run it? -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
- Original Message - From: Robert Honore robert.hon...@gmail.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? On 01/08/2013 13:33, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert robert.hon...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? I have Windows Vista Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? Simple and accurate answer - I haven't, because I've not tried. I do have 2.16.0 running and 14 2.17.x versions running, all on 64 bit Vista. How exactly are you trying to run it? -- Phil Holmes I was just trying to do the basic post-install of running lilypond by itself for the first time, when I noticed that the executable starts, but seems to go no further. None of the stuff I had seen previously from lilypond 2.10.x or 2.12.x. It would just sit there making no apparent progress, after having written about 2.5 MB of data to disk. Robert Honoré. Sorry - I don't understand what you're saying at all. How are you trying to run it? What's this 2.5 Megs? What's post-install? What does goes no further mean? -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
Zitat von Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: - Original Message - From: Robert Honore robert.hon...@gmail.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? On 01/08/2013 13:33, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert robert.hon...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? I have Windows Vista Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? Simple and accurate answer - I haven't, because I've not tried. I do have 2.16.0 running and 14 2.17.x versions running, all on 64 bit Vista. How exactly are you trying to run it? -- Phil Holmes I was just trying to do the basic post-install of running lilypond by itself for the first time, when I noticed that the executable starts, but seems to go no further. None of the stuff I had seen previously from lilypond 2.10.x or 2.12.x. It would just sit there making no apparent progress, after having written about 2.5 MB of data to disk. Robert Honoré. Are you really aware that LilyPond works by compiling source code files and that you have to 'run' it with passing it a source file as parameter? Despite your comments referencing prior experiences your emails somehow look like you are trying to run LilyPond as a standalone application. Urs Sorry - I don't understand what you're saying at all. How are you trying to run it? What's this 2.5 Megs? What's post-install? What does goes no further mean? -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
On 01/08/2013 15:15, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Honore robert.hon...@gmail.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? On 01/08/2013 13:33, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert robert.hon...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? I have Windows Vista Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? Simple and accurate answer - I haven't, because I've not tried. I do have 2.16.0 running and 14 2.17.x versions running, all on 64 bit Vista. How exactly are you trying to run it? -- Phil Holmes I was just trying to do the basic post-install of running lilypond by itself for the first time, when I noticed that the executable starts, but seems to go no further. None of the stuff I had seen previously from lilypond 2.10.x or 2.12.x. It would just sit there making no apparent progress, after having written about 2.5 MB of data to disk. Robert Honoré. Sorry - I don't understand what you're saying at all. How are you trying to run it? What's this 2.5 Megs? What's post-install? What does goes no further mean? -- Phil Holmes Let me try to say this better. I tried the following means of invoking lilypond: * double-clicking on the lilypond icon; * double-clicking on a *.ly file; * invoking the engrave function in the front-end user-interface called Frescobaldi. Even if I try to double-click on the lilypond icon right now, the result I get is that the lilypond executable appears to start, and then it seems to just sit there. Then I would use the task manager to see if the executable ran at all, and I would find (on the Processes tab) that indeed it is running. When I look at the the columns for I/O reads, I/O writes, I/O read bytes, and I/O write bytes, I see that it did one I/O write, with about 2.5 MB of data written. That is what I lazily referred to by 2.5 MB. If I invoke lilypond by the other two methods, I get the same result. What I meant by post-install: I had installed lilypond 2.16.2 just the day before, but did not attempt to use it until today. To install 2.16.2, I uninstalled the previous version that I had working. Thinking that the new installation of lilypond has some kind of initial housekeeping to do, I leave it alone for a while. When I return to check what might have happened, I observe that even the task manager interface now seems to be sluggish; I observe that lilypond hasn't done any additional I/O. I don't notice anything unusual about CPU activity or memory usage associated with lilypond's process, and I don't see anything that indicates to me that lilypond has any unusual commitment of system resources, but the longer you let the lilypond executable run, the more unresponsive the system appears to become. Until the system becomes so unresponsive as to require a power-cycle to regain control of the system. This happens even if I have only lilypond as the only user application running. The only evidence of I/O activity I observed outside of the content of the task manager Processes view tab, was the presence of a directory in my home directory called .lilypond-fonts.cache-2, which seems to be created as a result of invoking lilypond. In particular, lilypond does not appear to process my *.ly file, even if to just display an error message. Yours sincerely, Robert Honoré. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
Am 01.08.2013 21:49, schrieb Robert Honore: On 01/08/2013 15:15, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Honore robert.hon...@gmail.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? On 01/08/2013 13:33, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert robert.hon...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? I have Windows Vista Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? Simple and accurate answer - I haven't, because I've not tried. I do have 2.16.0 running and 14 2.17.x versions running, all on 64 bit Vista. How exactly are you trying to run it? -- Phil Holmes I was just trying to do the basic post-install of running lilypond by itself for the first time, when I noticed that the executable starts, but seems to go no further. None of the stuff I had seen previously from lilypond 2.10.x or 2.12.x. It would just sit there making no apparent progress, after having written about 2.5 MB of data to disk. Robert Honoré. Sorry - I don't understand what you're saying at all. How are you trying to run it? What's this 2.5 Megs? What's post-install? What does goes no further mean? -- Phil Holmes Let me try to say this better. I tried the following means of invoking lilypond: * double-clicking on the lilypond icon; * double-clicking on a *.ly file; * invoking the engrave function in the front-end user-interface called Frescobaldi. Even if I try to double-click on the lilypond icon right now, the result I get is that the lilypond executable appears to start, and then it seems to just sit there. Then I would use the task manager to see if the executable ran at all, and I would find (on the Processes tab) that indeed it is running. When I look at the the columns for I/O reads, I/O writes, I/O read bytes, and I/O write bytes, I see that it did one I/O write, with about 2.5 MB of data written. That is what I lazily referred to by 2.5 MB. If I invoke lilypond by the other two methods, I get the same result. What I meant by post-install: I had installed lilypond 2.16.2 just the day before, but did not attempt to use it until today. To install 2.16.2, I uninstalled the previous version that I had working. Thinking that the new installation of lilypond has some kind of initial housekeeping to do, I leave it alone for a while. When I return to check what might have happened, I observe that even the task manager interface now seems to be sluggish; I observe that lilypond hasn't done any additional I/O. I don't notice anything unusual about CPU activity or memory usage associated with lilypond's process, and I don't see anything that indicates to me that lilypond has any unusual commitment of system resources, but the longer you let the lilypond executable run, the more unresponsive the system appears to become. Until the system becomes so unresponsive as to require a power-cycle to regain control of the system. This happens even if I have only lilypond as the only user application running. The only evidence of I/O activity I observed outside of the content of the task manager Processes view tab, was the presence of a directory in my home directory called .lilypond-fonts.cache-2, which seems to be created as a result of invoking lilypond. In particular, lilypond does not appear to process my *.ly file, even if to just display an error message. Yours sincerely, Robert Honoré. Do you have an input file? What is in the source code window when you click engrave in Frescobaldi? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
On 02/08/13 05:49, Robert Honore wrote: Even if I try to double-click on the lilypond icon right now, the result I get is that the lilypond executable appears to start, and then it seems to just sit there. Then I would use the task manager to see if the executable ran at all, and I would find (on the Processes tab) that indeed it is running. When I look at the the columns for I/O reads, I/O writes, I/O read bytes, and I/O write bytes, I see that it did one I/O write, with about 2.5 MB of data written. That is what I lazily referred to by 2.5 MB. If I invoke lilypond by the other two methods, I get the same result. What do you see if you open a command prompt and run Lilypond with an ly file as the parameter: lilypond somefile.ly See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond meeting in Waltrop, Germany, 2013-08-16 to 2013-08-20
Hi David, thank you for the organisation. I could and should have written earlier, but unfortunately I can't attend this meeting. I really would love joining the discussions, and above all have the opportunity to meet some of you in person. But unfortunately it is within exactly the two weeks this year that are reserved exclusively for the family. And of course there's nothing to negotiate about that ;-) I hope you'll have a funny and productive time in Waltrop. Best Urs Am 30.07.2013 18:33, schrieb David Kastrup: Well, after several announcements, I now have about four participants for this year's meeting secured. While that's about the amount who bothered registering timely last year, it means that I am not able to plan suitably ahead. The consequences are that I can't really put forward an agenda, and I can't invite people who might be interesting to the LilyPond community, like Uwe Steger (see URL:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMBJowDdFq4 for an example of computer-based typesetting use with a likely interesting workflow) or an acquaintance who has dabbled with EU proposals, or the accordion ensemble I am playing in and so forth and so on. It's also not clear whether there is any sense in reserving an LCD projector like last year at the video store. Not all those opportunities are definitely over, so get a grip and announce your interest as soon as possible. With regard to celebrities, I do have a few registrations, like from Janek, wrangler of slurs and lyrics, or Jan, one of the primordial LilyPond developers and certainly _the_ authority regarding GUB. He'll be bringing samples of the Liedboek URL:http://www.liedboek.nl, probably the largest project so far tackled using LilyPond. Han-Wen, the other of the initial LilyPond team, will unfortunately have a concert on Sunday, so he'll be able to come Monday earliest which is just when Jan will have left. Talk about bad luck. Harm, the tireless wrangler of power-user solutions on LilyPond's user list (also known as Thomas Morley) is going to be there, so there will be quite a bit of opportunity of discussing changes and extensions in LilyPond that could reel more typesetting problems into the range of mere mortals. A few days ago, Jan Rosseel from the Scora project URL:http://www.scora.net which happens to use LilyPond as its typesetting engine announced his interest to join the meeting and would like to explain how LilyPond is used in Scora and what changes might simplify life for them. The project works towards the premiere of a symphonic concert in December (rehearsals starting in September) with a program including the 5th Symphony by Sibelius(!). To my chagrin, releasing 2.18 is still on the agenda, and depending on where we'll be with regard to it, we might have discussions about what we did right and wrong and what we might have to change. We might also try some team coding sessions to get the few remaining critical bugs under control so that we'll have a fixed perspective for getting 2.18 released and maybe at least start the stable branch. Other topics: Guilev2 (seriously) Markup redesign Page breaker MusicXML discussions Discussions about EU project feasibility (I tried getting something organized a few months ago, but it basically died from lack of immediate recognizable interest from commercial entities). Reports about the last meeting can be found at URL:http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-28. Information about travel and place (please don't get confused by last year's dates!) is still at URL:http://news.lilynet.net/?LilyPond-meeting-in-Waltrop, in a nutshell: Im Knäppen 63 in 45731 Waltrop, next useful bus station Waltrop Elmenhorst, next useful subway Brambauer Verkehrshof, next large train station Dortmund Hbf, next large airport Düsseldorf (there is some Ryanair airport called Düsseldorf Weeze which is actually quite far from Düsseldorf). Of course, the Spotted Flycatchers are nesting in different places, last year's foal Socke is by now a yearling, OpenStreetMap still has no clue about our address (but Google Maps does, and Bing Maps too, but the final yards of the approach have to be from the Southeast since the bridge to the Northwest has fallen prey to fire decades ago without telling Bing). The date this time around will be August 2013, Friday 16th to Tuesday 20th, with the possibility to arrive Thursday 15th late in the day for people who'd otherwise miss stuff early Friday. The proposed date coincides with the Dattelner Kanalfest URL:http://www.kanalfest.de/ which is the big competition (next town) of the Waltroper Parkfest we had running parallel to the conference last year. It still provides a reasonably close festival and entertainment for potentially not-just-LilyPond interested attendants or accompaniment, though with more focus on music and less on small arts like jugglers and stuff. But since it is next town, it will not suck dry external accommodation in Waltrop like the Parkfest
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
Nick Payne wrote: On 02/08/13 05:49, Robert Honore wrote: Even if I try to double-click on the lilypond icon right now, the result I get is that the lilypond executable appears to start, and then it seems to just sit there. Then I would use the task manager to see if the executable ran at all, and I would find (on the Processes tab) that indeed it is running. When I look at the the columns for I/O reads, I/O writes, I/O read bytes, and I/O write bytes, I see that it did one I/O write, with about 2.5 MB of data written. That is what I lazily referred to by 2.5 MB. If I invoke lilypond by the other two methods, I get the same result. What do you see if you open a command prompt and run Lilypond with an ly file as the parameter: lilypond somefile.ly See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage Sorry about the long delayed reply. I reverted to 2.12.3 and now I am still getting problems, even with input that I was previously able to process successfully. I've _got_ to be doing something wrong. To answer your question more directly, I first ran the command, lilypond --version at the command line. After a very long time, it returned the following text. [Quoted_Output] GNU LilyPond 2.12.3 Copyright (c) 1996--2009 by Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org and others. This program is free software. It is covered by the GNU General Public License and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Invoke as `lilypond --warranty' for more information. [/Quoted_Output] This (the long wait) is not the behaviour I am accustomed to seeing, so now I am wondering how to get a clean installation. Right now, I just want to get back a working lilypond installation. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
Urs Liska wrote: Do you have an input file? What is in the source code window when you click engrave in Frescobaldi? Yes, I have an input file that I had processed successfully before. In the source code window of Frescobaldi, I have the text of that file visible. You want me to send that? It has less than 1000 characters in it. Yours sincerely, Robert Honoré. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
From what you wrote about lilypond --version I don't think the problem lies there. But it's probably a good idea to send the file anyway. Urs Robert Honore robert.hon...@gmail.com schrieb: Urs Liska wrote: Do you have an input file? What is in the source code window when you click engrave in Frescobaldi? Yes, I have an input file that I had processed successfully before. In the source code window of Frescobaldi, I have the text of that file visible. You want me to send that? It has less than 1000 characters in it. Yours sincerely, Robert Honoré. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
On 01/08/2013 19:15, Urs Liska wrote: From what you wrote about lilypond --version I don't think the problem lies there. But it's probably a good idea to send the file anyway. Urs Ok. What's the procedure for sending the file? Yours sincerely, Robert Honoré. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: feature request: abs-fontsize available for all text grobs
I will try later That's what a quick googling showed up for me too. Cheers, jp Am 01.08.2013 um 15:40 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Hi Kieren, I did some checks on the absolute font-sizes: - If you do a stencil-add on a stencil created via grob-interpret-markup and interpret-markup inside a normal markup, they exactly match- - If you do a pixel by pixel compare (I did in gimp) a Lyric markup with an abs-font-size with different global-staff-sizes, they also match ... ... but you have to move the letter. IMO this is reasonable, because different staff-sizes mean different scaling of anything else but these absolute scaled fonts. Now if you import a simple PDF with a single 'X' 42pt into Libre/OpenOffice, it will show the found font-sizes of the text-objects. If you create the PDF with LibreOffice Century Schoolbook L 42pt and reimport that PDF, you will have exactly 42pt. If you create PDF files with an absolute-font-size of 42pt, it will result in 41,9pt in the reimported file - regardless of the global-staff-size. AFAICS the font-size is absolute, but there seems to be a calculation inaccuracy of 0.1pt. Does the patch in URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3483 help? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista?
On 01/08/2013 13:33, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert robert.hon...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: anyone got lilypond 2.16.2 to work on Windows Vista? I have Windows Vista Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002. I installed Lilypond 2.16.2 and I have since been unable to get Lilypond to run successfully. Whenever I start Lilypond, the executable appears to start up, but does not apparently make any progress. It just sits there after having done one single write I/O request. It appears to be doing nothing, but if I leave it running, the system, including the GUI freezes, and the only way to get the system back is to kill all power to the system. Is there some incompatibility that wasn't apparent back in the 2.12.* days? I am using a HP Presario F700 with 1 GB of installed memory. Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55, 1800 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) What am I doing wrong this time? Simple and accurate answer - I haven't, because I've not tried. I do have 2.16.0 running and 14 2.17.x versions running, all on 64 bit Vista. How exactly are you trying to run it? -- Phil Holmes I was just trying to do the basic post-install of running lilypond by itself for the first time, when I noticed that the executable starts, but seems to go no further. None of the stuff I had seen previously from lilypond 2.10.x or 2.12.x. It would just sit there making no apparent progress, after having written about 2.5 MB of data to disk. Robert Honoré. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
