Suppress Volta Starting Repeat
Is it possible to suppress the a volta starting repeat?
The following code generates a repeat in front of the g1.
\set Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
\repeat volta 2 { g1 ~ }
\alternative {
{
g4 r8 g8 d'4 c4 ~
}
{{ g2 \repeatTie r2 }}
As an alternative solution, is it possible to generate volta brackets as
markkups?
Thanks,
Keith Luke
Honolulu, Hawaii
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Re: Suppress Volta Starting Repeat
Am 26.08.19 um 03:22 schrieb keith Luke:
Is it possible to suppress the a volta starting repeat?
Yes, that should be possible.
The following code generates a repeat in front of the g1.
No, it doesn’t. Please always give a minimal *working* (i. e.
compilable) example. Which LilyPond version do you use?
\set Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
\repeat volta 2 { g1 ~ }
\alternative {
{
g4 r8 g8 d'4 c4 ~
}
{{ g2 \repeatTie r2 }}
As an alternative solution, is it possible to generate volta brackets as
markkups?
I don’t think so. And how would volta brackets have to do with a
starting repeat?
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Re: Horizontal spacing algorithm
Hi Chad,
FWIW I also had assumed you claimed such a change would be simple.
Anyway, have you actualliy tried the provided spacing examples given in
the (old?) article with a current version of lilypond?
Find attached my tests with the current (2 weeks old) git version. IMO
the current version of Lilypond does not have most (if at all!) of the
mentioned shortcomings, at least not at first glance.
Kind regards,
Michael
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\version "2.21.0"
\paper {
ragged-right = ##f
}
musicOne = { e''8[ e''] a'2. | e''8[ e''] a'2. }
musicTwo = { \tuplet 7/8 { a'32 a'8 a'16 } s2. | a'4 s2. }
\score {
<< { \voiceOne \musicOne } \\ { \voiceTwo \musicTwo } >>
}
\score {
<<
{ \tuplet 3/2 { b'8 b' b' } r4 r2 }
{ b'16 b' b' b' r4 r2 }
{ \tuplet 5/4 { b'16 b' b' b' b' } r4 r2 }
{ \tuplet 7/4 { b'16 b' b' b' b' b' b' } r4 r2 }
>>
}
\score {
<<
\time 2/4
{ b'8[ b' b' b'] \bar "|." }
{ b'32[ b' b' b' b'8 b' b'] \bar "|." }
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Score
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/32)
}
}
}
\score {
<<
\time 2/4
{ \tuplet 3/2 { a'8 b' b' } a'4 \bar "|." }
{ \tuplet 11/8 { a'32[ a' a' a'8 a'16 a'] } a'4 \bar "|." }
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Score
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/32)
}
}
}
\score {
<<
\time 2/4
{ \tuplet 3/2 { a'8 b' b' } a'4 \bar "|." }
{ a'16[ a'8.] a'4 \bar "|." }
>>
}
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Re: Horizontal spacing algorithm
Am 26.08.19 um 09:56 schrieb Michael Gerdau: Anyway, have you actualliy tried the provided spacing examples given in the (old?) article with a current version of lilypond? Find attached my tests with the current (2 weeks old) git version. For those who don’t want to compile from git themselves: It’s the same spacing in 2.19.83 and much better than in 2.18.2. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Horizontal spacing algorithm
Looks good to me in 2.19.83 [current highest dev release not from git.] Andrew On 26/8/19 5:56 pm, Michael Gerdau wrote: Find attached my tests with the current (2 weeks old) git version. IMO the current version of Lilypond does not have most (if at all!) of the mentioned shortcomings, at least not at first glance. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Note spacing with a polyphonic grace notes
Am Sa., 17. Aug. 2019 um 11:44 Uhr schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider
:
>
> Hi Andrew,
> The wanted spacing is shown in the 2nd snippet.
> The workaround reaches almost it.
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> Le sam. 17 août 2019 à 11:20, Andrew Bernard a
> écrit :
>>
>> What is the wanted spacing?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On 17/8/19 7:14 pm, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
>> > Hi List,
>> > Please consider those two snippets -- with a possible workaround in
>> > order to reach the wanted spacing:
Hi Pierre,
I've the impression LilyPond can't cope well with polyphonic music
_inside_ of GraceMusic.
But why not enter polyphonic music right from the start?
\new Staff
<<
\new Voice \fixed c' {
\voiceOne
s4.
\once\slurDown
\appoggiatura { g,32 g b f' }
a'16. 32
}
\new Voice \fixed c'{
\voiceTwo
s4.
\grace { g,8 }
\once \hideNotes a'16.
}
>>
Cheers,
Harm
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Re: Note spacing with a polyphonic grace notes
Nice, thank you Harm.
Le lun. 26 août 2019 à 10:34, Thomas Morley a
écrit :
> Am Sa., 17. Aug. 2019 um 11:44 Uhr schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider
> :
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> > The wanted spacing is shown in the 2nd snippet.
> > The workaround reaches almost it.
> > Cheers,
> > Pierre
> >
> > Le sam. 17 août 2019 à 11:20, Andrew Bernard
> a écrit :
> >>
> >> What is the wanted spacing?
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17/8/19 7:14 pm, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> >> > Hi List,
> >> > Please consider those two snippets -- with a possible workaround in
> >> > order to reach the wanted spacing:
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> I've the impression LilyPond can't cope well with polyphonic music
> _inside_ of GraceMusic.
>
> But why not enter polyphonic music right from the start?
>
> \new Staff
> <<
> \new Voice \fixed c' {
> \voiceOne
> s4.
> \once\slurDown
> \appoggiatura { g,32 g b f' }
> a'16. 32
> }
> \new Voice \fixed c'{
> \voiceTwo
> s4.
> \grace { g,8 }
> \once \hideNotes a'16.
> }
> >>
>
> Cheers,
> Harm
>
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Chapter 2.1 Vocal music of LPNR
Hello folks, The more I read this chapter, and the more I feel it is a kind of imbroglio, mixing automatic and manual alignment of lyrics to the voice. Do you also feel this would merit a rewrite? JM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Chapter 2.1 Vocal music of LPNR
For exemple, I only found by test and trial that to obtain the melisma to include the upper half note: I had to add a ‘2’ to the last underscore after ‘pands’: \skip2 "Et"4 "tu"8 "ré"8 -- "pands"8 __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _2 "dans"4 "nos"8 "cli"8 -- "mats"1 __ _ > Le 26 août 2019 à 17:39, Jacques Menu a écrit : > > Hello folks, > > The more I read this chapter, and the more I feel it is a kind of imbroglio, > mixing automatic and manual alignment of lyrics to the voice. > > Do you also feel this would merit a rewrite? > > JM > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Chapter 2.1 Vocal music of LPNR
Jacques Menu writes: > For exemple, I only found by test and trial that to obtain the melisma to > include the upper half note: > > > > I had to add a ‘2’ to the last underscore after ‘pands’: > > \skip2 "Et"4 "tu"8 "ré"8 -- > "pands"8 __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _2 >"dans"4 "nos"8 "cli"8 -- > "mats"1 __ _ I rather doubt that. Care for a minimal example? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
DrumVoice Polyphony and MIDI
Greetings List,
I'm trying to understand why one syntax results in MIDI output, while
another syntax does not. I'm new to lilypond and clearly missing
something.
Below is the working case:
tagCymbals = \drummode { \voiceOne cymc4 cymc4 cymc4 cymc4 }
tagDrums = \drummode { \voiceTwo s4sn4 s4sn4 }
tagKick = \drummode { \voiceThree bd4 s4bd4 s4 }
\score {
\new DrumStaff <<
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Drums"
\new DrumVoice { \tagCymbals }
\new DrumVoice { \tagDrums }
\new DrumVoice { \tagKick }
>>
\layout { }
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 84
}
}
\version "2.18.2"
That is not always a convenient format for working with drum parts
though. I would like to be able to use a syntax more like the
following:
test = \drummode {
<<
{ \voiceOne cymc4 cymc4 cymc4 cymc4 }
{ \voiceOne s4sn4 s4sn4 }
\\
{ \voiceTwo bd4 s4bd4 s4}
>>
}
\score {
\new DrumStaff {
<<
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Drums"
\new DrumVoice {
\test
% \morePolyphonicPieces
}
>>
}
\layout { }
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 84
}
}
\version "2.18.2"
The above code generates a score just fine, but the MIDI file is empty
(aside from a header).
I don't actually know much about MIDI. I'm just using the play button
in Frescobaldi. It's helpful when transcribing.
Thanks,
Stef
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Re: Horizontal spacing algorithm
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Re: Chapter 2.1 Vocal music of LPNR
Hi Jacques, this doesn’t exactly answer your question, but I’ve always found that manual alignment of lyrics is a huge pain to get working and thus never use it… Best, Simon On 26.08.19 17:39, Jacques Menu wrote: Hello folks, The more I read this chapter, and the more I feel it is a kind of imbroglio, mixing automatic and manual alignment of lyrics to the voice. Do you also feel this would merit a rewrite? JM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Suppress Volta Starting Repeat
I am using LilyPond 2.18.2
\set Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
\repeat volta 2 { g1 ~ }
\alternative {
{
g4 r8 g8 d'4 c4 ~
}
{{ g2 \repeatTie r2 }}
Here is the PDF rendering of the \repeat volta statements:
[image: VoltaRepeat.JPG]
I would like to suppress the repeat sign in the measure preceding the first
ending.
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:58 PM Malte Meyn wrote:
>
>
> Am 26.08.19 um 03:22 schrieb keith Luke:
> > Is it possible to suppress the a volta starting repeat?
>
> Yes, that should be possible.
>
> > The following code generates a repeat in front of the g1.
>
> No, it doesn’t. Please always give a minimal *working* (i. e.
> compilable) example. Which LilyPond version do you use?
>
> >\set Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
> >\repeat volta 2 { g1 ~ }
> >\alternative {
> > {
> >g4 r8 g8 d'4 c4 ~
> > }
> > {{ g2 \repeatTie r2 }}
> >
> > As an alternative solution, is it possible to generate volta brackets as
> > markkups?
>
> I don’t think so. And how would volta brackets have to do with a
> starting repeat?
>
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Re: Suppress Volta Starting Repeat
Hi Keith,
On 26.08.19 21:28, keith Luke wrote:
I am using LilyPond 2.18.2
\set Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
\repeat volta 2 { g1 ~ }
\alternative {
{
g4 r8 g8 d'4 c4 ~
}
{{ g2 \repeatTie r2 }}
That is not a complete, compilable, minimal example. See
. This is one:
%%%
\version "2.18.2"
\relative {
g'1
\repeat volta 2 { g~ }
\alternative {
{ g\laissezVibrer }
{ g\repeatTie }
}
}
%%%
I would like to suppress the repeat sign in the measure preceding the
first ending.
LilyPond is designed to work with an input file that accurately
represents the _meaning_ of the music you are typesetting. There are
cases where one has to bend that link, but here I have to ask: why do
you want to suppress the repeat sign, if you could just have the \repeat
encompass the section of music that’s actually going to be repeated?
Best, Simon
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Re: Suppress Volta Starting Repeat
On 2019-08-26 12:28 pm, keith Luke wrote:
I would like to suppress the repeat sign in the measure preceding the
first ending.
You should be able to explicitly specify the bar line using the \bar
command:
\repeat volta 2 { \bar "|" g1~ }
But the question I have is: why would you want to do this? Without the
repeat start sign, how is the performer to know where to go back after
the first volta? The only time I know such an indicator can be omitted
is the very beginning of a piece, but your \repeat section does not
begin the score.
The real solution is to use the \repeat command precisely at the moment
when the repeated section of music begins. Then there is no need to
suppress anything, and your syntax will accurately reflect the musical
content.
-- Aaron Hill
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Re: Suppress Volta Starting Repeat
I solved the problem. I misinterpreted how the \set
Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4) is used.
I originally coded a start-repeat at the beginning of the first ending. By
adjusting the grouping of notes in the \repeat volta section for the first
ending the score renders as expected.
Thanks for your suggestions.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:12 AM Simon Albrecht
wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> On 26.08.19 21:28, keith Luke wrote:
> > I am using LilyPond 2.18.2
> >
> > \set Score.voltaSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
> > \repeat volta 2 { g1 ~ }
> > \alternative {
> > {
> > g4 r8 g8 d'4 c4 ~
> > }
> > {{ g2 \repeatTie r2 }}
>
> That is not a complete, compilable, minimal example. See
> . This is one:
>
> %%%
> \version "2.18.2"
>
> \relative {
>g'1
>\repeat volta 2 { g~ }
>\alternative {
> { g\laissezVibrer }
> { g\repeatTie }
>}
> }
> %%%
>
>
> > I would like to suppress the repeat sign in the measure preceding the
> > first ending.
>
>
> LilyPond is designed to work with an input file that accurately
> represents the _meaning_ of the music you are typesetting. There are
> cases where one has to bend that link, but here I have to ask: why do
> you want to suppress the repeat sign, if you could just have the \repeat
> encompass the section of music that’s actually going to be repeated?
>
> Best, Simon
>
>
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Re: Using \lyricsto for small variation in repeats to match lyrics
On 2019-08-26 3:34 pm, Michael Wagner wrote: When I am entering music into lilypond, I come across situations where a measure or two of a repeated bit of music has a slight melodic variation and I wold like to associate the appropriate lyrics with that measure. [ . . . ] I might be able to a align the lyrics with the appropriate voice using skips, etc., but it seems as though using \lyricsto would be more elegant. The examples in the manual that use \lyricsto seem to be assigning the equivalent of a whole verse to a voice. Can I align a part of a verse to a voice? As far as I can tell, \lyricsto does not have a direct way to specify a limited scope, since you only get to provide the name of the context. To restrict alignment to only a particular subset of notes within a Voice, you would need to explicitly separate out those notes into their own named context to use with \lyricsto. LilyPond provides a NullVoice context that makes it easy to include such an extraction of notes to be used just for timing but not display. I use this feature quite a bit, mainly because I also use \partcombine which is not compatible with \lyricsto; but that is another story. -- Aaron Hill ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Melisma breaking converting from 2.18 to 2.19
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Re: Using \lyricsto for small variation in repeats to match lyrics
I use LilyPond for barbershop quartet music. The barbershop style is mostly
homophonic, but there are frequent spots where one or more parts will need
their own lyrics for a measure or two. I use the split voice approach
mentioned above to handle those spots and it works well. For example
\version "2.19.82"
\language english
global = {
\key bf \major
\time 4/4
\accidentalStyle modern-voice-cautionary
\partial 4
}
tenorMusic = \relative c'' {
af4 | \tuplet 3/2 {g4 g g} g4 g8 a | bf f4 d8 f2 |r4 e e e |
}
tenorMusicb = \relative c'' {
g8 f g f~f4 g | bf1 ~ bf2. r4
}
tenorMusicc = \relative c'' {
g4 gf2. | bf1 \bar "|."
}
tenorWords = \lyricmode {
af- ter you've gone __ a- way, __
}
leadMusic = \relative c' {
d4 | \tuplet 3/2 {c4 c c} cs4 cs8 cs | d d4 c8 b2 | r4 d c d| ef2. ef4 |
ff2 (~ ff8 ef ff4 f2.) r4 | ef4 ff2. | f1 \bar "|."
}
leadWords = \lyricmode {
You told me good- bye now it's your turn to cry, af- ter you've gone a-
way __ gone a- way.
}
bariMusic = \relative c' {
bf4 | \tuplet 3/2 {bf4 bf bf} a4 a8 g | f bf4 af8 g2 | r4 bf bf bf|
}
barimusicb = \relative c' {
bf8 a bf a ~ a4 a | df2 (~df8 c df4 d2.) r4 |
}
bariMusicc = \relative c' {
c4 df2. | df1 \bar "|."
}
bariWords = \lyricmode {
af- ter you've gone __ a- way, __
}
bassMusic = \relative c {
f4 | \tuplet 3/2 {ef4 ef ef} e4 e8 e | bf bf4 f'8 d2 | r4 g g g |
}
bassMusicb = \relative c {
c2. c4 | gf'1 ( bf1 ~bf ~ bf) \bar "|."
}
bassWords = \lyricmode {
gone a- way. __
}
\score {
\new ChoirStaff <<
\new Lyrics = "tenors" \with {
% this is needed for lyrics above a staff
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN
}
\new Staff = "high" <<
\clef "treble_8" {
\new Voice = "tenors" {\voiceOne \global \tenorMusic }
\new Voice = "tenb" {\voiceOne \tenorMusicb }
\new Voice = "tenc" {\voiceOne \tenorMusicc }
}
{
\new Voice = "leads" {\voiceTwo \global \leadMusic }
}
>>
\new Lyrics = "leads"
\new Lyrics = "baris" \with {
% this is needed for lyrics above a staff
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN
}
\new Staff = "lo" <<
\clef bass {
\new Voice = "baris" { \voiceOne \global \bariMusic }
\new Voice = "barib" { \voiceOne \barimusicb }
\new Voice = "baric" { \voiceOne \bariMusicc }
}
{
\new Voice = "basses" {\voiceTwo \global \bassMusic }
\new Voice = "bsb" {\voiceTwo \bassMusicb }
}
>>
\new Lyrics = "basses"
\context Lyrics = "tenors" \lyricsto "tenb" \tenorWords
\context Lyrics = "leads" \lyricsto "leads" \leadWords
\context Lyrics = "baris" \lyricsto "barib" \bariWords
\context Lyrics = "basses" \lyricsto "bsb" \bassWords
>>
}
David Bowen
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:13 PM Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2019-08-26 3:34 pm, Michael Wagner wrote:
> > When I am entering music into lilypond, I come across situations where
> > a measure or two of a repeated bit of music has a slight melodic
> > variation and I wold like to associate the appropriate lyrics with
> > that measure.
> > [ . . . ]
> > I might be able to a align the lyrics with the appropriate voice using
> > skips, etc., but it seems as though using \lyricsto would be more
> > elegant.
> > The examples in the manual that use \lyricsto seem to be assigning the
> > equivalent of a whole verse to a voice. Can I align a part of a verse
> > to a voice?
>
> As far as I can tell, \lyricsto does not have a direct way to specify a
> limited scope, since you only get to provide the name of the context.
> To restrict alignment to only a particular subset of notes within a
> Voice, you would need to explicitly separate out those notes into their
> own named context to use with \lyricsto.
>
> LilyPond provides a NullVoice context that makes it easy to include such
> an extraction of notes to be used just for timing but not display. I
> use this feature quite a bit, mainly because I also use \partcombine
> which is not compatible with \lyricsto; but that is another story.
>
>
> -- Aaron Hill
>
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