Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
Hi AndrewBy making it only a *little* more fiddly and tedious I can get pretty close.I feel your pain...Damian\version "2.19.83"\header { tagline = "" }{ \time 1/8 \clef bass \override Score.TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t << { \once \omit TupletNumber \once \omit TupletBracket \tuplet 5/4 { s16. \once \override TupletBracket.positions = #'(6 . 6) \tuplet 5/4 { \stemDown \once \override Beam.positions = #'(-5 . -5) c'32[ gis32_> ais32 cis'32 dis'32] } s16. } } \\ { \set TupletBracket.tupletFullLength = ##t \override TupletBracket.positions = #'(-9 . -9) \override TupletNumber.text = #(tuplet-number::append-note-wrapper tuplet-number::calc-denominator-text "8") \tuplet 5/4 8 { fis32[ gis,-\parenthesize_> d c'!16] \once \override Rest.extra-offset = #'(4 . -5) r16 b16[^> b32] } } >>}On 22 September 2019 at 10:20, Andrew Bernard wrote:Hello Damian,Thanks for your effort. But look here:\version "2.19.83"{ \override Score.TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t << { \time 1/8 % \once \omit TupletNumber \tuplet 5/4 { s32 s s \tuplet 5/4 { \stemDown g'32[ 32 32 32 32] } s s s } } \\ { \tuplet 5/4 8 { g'32[ 32 32 16] d16\rest 16[ 32] } } >>}The tuplet brackets are not all all what I need - refer to the image. Sure, I could mess with the bracket extensions and so on. But this solution, although clever, is tedious and fiddly (no disrespect intended) and I have dozens of these to engrave, so it's not very fluent.At this stage I would be prepared to say this is not possible in lilypond (and I am more convinced it's far too idiosyncratic even as far as modernist music goes).Andrew___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
The rhythm itself is easy to play in isolation but it looks from this snippet as if it would be very difficult to judge the speed so as to coordinate with the other players. Damian On 22 September 2019 at 15:41, Michael Gerdau wrote: 10 quintuplet 32nds are grouped 3, 5:4, 3 Aha...I see. This triggers the next curiosity question: Are conductors or human musicians supposed to count that out or is that purely for machine reproduction? Again I’m only curious. Kind regards, Michael___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
> 10 quintuplet 32nds are grouped 3, 5:4, 3 Aha...I see. This triggers the next curiosity question: Are conductors or human musicians supposed to count that out or is that purely for machine reproduction? Again I’m only curious. Kind regards, Michael ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
Hi Michael 10 quintuplet 32nds are grouped 3, 5:4, 3 Damian On 22 September 2019 at 11:56, Michael Gerdau wrote: Hi Andrew, I‘m not convinced I understand the intended meaning of the picture you posted. The meaning I do think is intended in turn would be a trivial tautology, just like when you have a stream of tuplet 3/2 8th you could group any 3 notes along the stream without additional information. Could you explain the meaning of the additional tuplet bracket? Just curious, Michael Mobil gesendet Am 22.09.2019 um 01:21 schrieb Andrew Bernard : I have come to an impasse in a score I am setting. Is it even remotely possible to have a tuplet nested _across_ two tuplets with lilypond? See attached image. [Don't blame me for the musical aspect of this - it's not my music!] Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
Am So., 22. Sept. 2019 um 01:22 Uhr schrieb Andrew Bernard
:
>
> I have come to an impasse in a score I am setting. Is it even remotely
> possible to have a tuplet nested _across_ two tuplets with lilypond? See
> attached image.
>
> [Don't blame me for the musical aspect of this - it's not my music!]
>
> Andrew
Hi Andrew,
how about below?
(I was not able to identify what's writing close to the "5" at the
bottom TupletBrackets, though,)
\version "2.19.83"
%% Overlapping/nested TupletBrackets
%% Method: Use two Voices
%% One for the inner and overlapping tuplet, scale all durations with
%% `scaleDurations´.
%% The other with invisible Rests for the outer TupletBracket(s), just to
%% print the Brackets.
%% Remark: can't use spacers, TupletBracket needs proper bounds.
{
\time 1/8
\clef bass
\override Staff.TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
<<
\scaleDurations 4/5 {
\override Beam.positions = #'(-6 . -6)
fis32_[ gis,-\parenthesize _> \set stemRightBeamCount = 2 d
%% Let the beam be shaped as in the example (together with above \set ...)
\once \override Stem.beaming = #'((0 1) . (2 3 4))
%% Move TupletBracket as wished
\once \override TupletBracket.positions = #'(6 . 6)
\tupletUp \tuplet 5/4 8 { c'32 gis_> ais cis' dis'] } b16->_[ b32]
}
\\
{
%% oneVoice keeps Rests at middle staff-line
\oneVoice
\tupletDown
%% Let Rests take no additional space, `temporary´ because one may want to
%% revert flawlessly
\temporary \override Rest.stencil = #point-stencil
%% Move TupletBracket as wished
\override TupletBracket.positions = #'(-8 . -8)
\tuplet 5/4 8 { \repeat unfold 5 r32 }
\tuplet 5/4 8 {
r
%% print/move one Rest
\once \override Rest.staff-position = -13.5
\once \revert Rest.stencil
r r r r
}
}
>>
}
Cheers,
Harm
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Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
Hi Andrew, I‘m not convinced I understand the intended meaning of the picture you posted. The meaning I do think is intended in turn would be a trivial tautology, just like when you have a stream of tuplet 3/2 8th you could group any 3 notes along the stream without additional information. Could you explain the meaning of the additional tuplet bracket? Just curious, Michael Mobil gesendet > Am 22.09.2019 um 01:21 schrieb Andrew Bernard : > > I have come to an impasse in a score I am setting. Is it even remotely > possible to have a tuplet nested _across_ two tuplets with lilypond? See > attached image. > > [Don't blame me for the musical aspect of this - it's not my music!] > > Andrew > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets
Hello Damian,
Thanks for your effort. But look here:
\version "2.19.83"
{
\override Score.TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
<<
{
\time 1/8
% \once \omit TupletNumber
\tuplet 5/4 {
s32 s s
\tuplet 5/4
{
\stemDown
g'32[ 32 32 32 32]
}
s s s
}
}
\\
{
\tuplet 5/4 8 {
g'32[ 32 32 16]
d16\rest 16[ 32]
}
}
>>
}
The tuplet brackets are not all all what I need - refer to the image. Sure,
I could mess with the bracket extensions and so on. But this solution,
although clever, is tedious and fiddly (no disrespect intended) and I have
dozens of these to engrave, so it's not very fluent.
At this stage I would be prepared to say this is not possible in lilypond
(and I am more convinced it's far too idiosyncratic even as far as
modernist music goes).
Andrew
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RE: Nested tuplet across tuplets
Andrew, Nested tuplets are presented at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#tuplets Scroll down to the fourth example. Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Bernard Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 4:21 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Nested tuplet across tuplets I have come to an impasse in a score I am setting. Is it even remotely possible to have a tuplet nested _across_ two tuplets with lilypond? See attached image. [Don't blame me for the musical aspect of this - it's not my music!] Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets (Andrew Bernard)
Hi Karim,
It's 15/8. but he uses beat markers not barlines, so each span bar is
one quaver. I am sorry to say this is one voice. I don't even know how
to fake it using another voice. [How people are expected to play this
precisely is another matter!]
Andrew
On 22/9/19 10:35 am, Karim Haddad wrote:
Dear Andrew,
It seems that the composer has two voices here. the lower one :
\tuplet 5/4 {
fis32 gis, d c16} then
\tuplet 5/4 {
r16 b b32}
It is indeed graphically messed up.
If we can have a look at the time signature, (or at least the measure) we can
figure it out.
But indeed. It is really badly scripted.
It appears that there is a 16th note shift Between voices (???)
I will not ask you who had manuscript it ..! :-)
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Re: Nested tuplet across tuplets (Andrew Bernard)
Dear Andrew,
It seems that the composer has two voices here. the lower one :
\tuplet 5/4 {
fis32 gis, d c16} then
\tuplet 5/4 {
r16 b b32}
It is indeed graphically messed up.
If we can have a look at the time signature, (or at least the measure) we can
figure it out.
But indeed. It is really badly scripted.
It appears that there is a 16th note shift Between voices (???)
I will not ask you who had manuscript it ..! :-)
Best
K
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> I have come to an impasse in a score I am setting. Is it even remotely
> possible to have a tuplet nested _across_ two tuplets with lilypond? See
> attached image.
>
> [Don't blame me for the musical aspect of this - it's not my music!]
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Nested tuplet across tuplets
I have come to an impasse in a score I am setting. Is it even remotely possible to have a tuplet nested _across_ two tuplets with lilypond? See attached image. [Don't blame me for the musical aspect of this - it's not my music!] Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
